Re: Finding the name of a function while defining it

2012-12-29 Thread Jussi Piitulainen
Abhas Bhattacharya writes:

[...]

 If i call one() and two() respectively, i would like to see one
 and two. I dont have much knowledge of lambda functions, neither
 am i going to use them, so that's something I cant answer.

It's not about lambda. The following does not contain lambda. What
should be name(one)? name(two)? name(foo)? name(fun(1))? name(fun(3))?

def foo():
return 3

def fun(x):
def foo(): return x
return foo

one = fun(1)
two = one

Note that fun(1)() is a valid call where fun(1) is not given any name
outside fun.
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Re: email.message.Message - as_string fails

2012-12-29 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:57:46 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:

 On 12/28/2012 7:22 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm trying to filter an mbox file by removing some messages.
 For that I use Parser= FeedParser(policy=policy.SMTP)
 and 'feed' any lines to it.
 If the mbox file contains a white line followed by '^From ',
 I do

 Msg= Parser.close()

 (lateron I delete the Parser and create a new one by Parser=
 FeedParser(policy=policy.SMTP)
 )

 I can access parts of the message by  Msg['Message-ID'], e.g.
 but even for the very first message, trying to print it or convert it
 to a string by  MsgStr=Msg.as_string(unixfrom=True)

 lets Python (3.3.1_pre20121209) die with

 Traceback (most recent call last):
File Email_Parse.py, line 35, in module
  MsgStr=Msg.as_string(unixfrom=True)
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/message.py, line 151, in as_string
  g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 112, in flatten
  self._write(msg)
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 171, in _write
  self._write_headers(msg)
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 198, in
_write_headers
  self.write(self.policy.fold(h, v))
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/policy.py, line 153, in fold
  return self._fold(name, value, refold_binary=True)
File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/policy.py, line 176, in _fold
  (len(lines[0])+len(name)+2  maxlen or
 IndexError: list index out of range
 
 The only list index visible is 0 in lines[0]. If this raises, lines is
 empty. You could trace back to see where lines is defined. I suspect it
 is all or part of the Msg you started with.
 
 I believe that some of email was rewritten for 3.3, so it is possible
 that you found a bug based on an untrue assumption. It is also possible
 that you missed a limitation in the doc, or tripped over an intended but
 not written limitation. So I hope you do the tracing, so if doc or code
 need a fix, a tracker issue can be opened.

Thanks Terry,
I've debugged it and it smells like a bug.
I have created  http://bugs.python.org/issue16811

Helmut.

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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Morten Engvoldsen
Hi Dave,
Thanks for reply. I will really appreciate if you reply to my mail id and
keep python list in cc, since everytime you reply my query i need to search
the reply in the forwarding message of python list.

Using logger.setLevel(logging.DEBUG) will log only debug message in the log
file and discard other message from log file. So that's not solving the
issue of my problem. I am looking into code to find out the issue.

Thanks again for your effort
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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Morten Engvoldsen
mortene...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 Thanks for reply. I will really appreciate if you reply to my mail id and
 keep python list in cc, since everytime you reply my query i need to search
 the reply in the forwarding message of python list.

The normal thing to do with a mailing list is, as I'm doing here,
replying to the list. You'll get a copy of the email from the list (or
the newsgroup, if you subscribe that way), and it's much easier for
all concerned.

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Re: PYTHON 3.3 + GUI + COMPILE

2012-12-29 Thread Kwpolska
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Dimitrios Xenakis
gouzouna...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Morning,
 I have been looking for a library solution of both GUI and Compiler but for 
 Python 3.3 and ofcourse i was hoping for a combination that would be most 
 compatible between them. After searching i may have concluded to cx_Freeze 
 (because it was the only one that noticed that currently supports version 
 Python 3.3), but i do not know what GUI library should i combine it with. 
 Does cx_Freeze alone put any kind of restriction to my choice of GUI? I would 
 also be interested in using my programs for commercial purposes, so would 
 this put again some other kind of limitations to my GUI choice? I have read 
 many good stuff about PySide, but still i do not know wether this is the one 
 that i should choose. Is PySide same as PyQT and PyQT4 and QT or which is the 
 exact relationship between those? Disadvantages - advantages, capabilities, 
 benefits, costs, etc. (What is the lowest possible cost of buying such a 
 commercial license for my programming?. Are there different versions and 
 should i be carefull
   to choose the best for me? Where could i get this from? PySide is total 
 free for my commercial needs?) I need to be legit so i guess i should learn 
 how to handle with the licencing thing. Please somebody clear things for me.

 Thanks 4 your time i really appreciate that.
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cx_Freeze has nothing to do with GUIs, so it will work, no matter what.
---
PySide is a newer Python binding for the Qt framework (version 4),
developed by Openbossa, available under the LGPL license, meaning
there is no licensing problem for your commercial needs.
PyQt4 is an older binding by Riverbank Computing (Qt 4), available
under GPL or a commercial license, meaning you need to (a) go
open-source; or (b) pay a lot of money.
PyQt is the general name for PyQt4 and PyQt3, and you should not use PyQt3.
Qt is a GUI development framework for C++, with bindings for many
languages, including Python.

Also, the main difference for developers is the module name.  That’s it.

Now, I am a huge Qt advocate, but you may also want to look at other
toolkits, such as wxWidgets, GTK+ or Tck/Tk.  wxWidgets is a great
multi-platform toolkit with a nice Python binding, Tcl/Tk is an ugly
non-native toolkit, while GTK+ is a huge mess that I suggest to avoid
for your own sanity.
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Re: Confused about logger config from within Python (3)

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
In article 50de7a0a$0$29967$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com,
 Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:

 In Python 3.2 and 3.3, the message about no handlers is not printed, 
 which is an interesting difference. (Somebody who knows more about the 
 logging package than I do might be able to state why that difference.) 

I hope that means that http://bugs.python.org/issue994421 has finally 
been fixed :-)
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Re: noob can't install python modules/scripts

2012-12-29 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:40 PM, lostguru aznjedi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, December 28, 2012 11:12:19 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
  The website? There's more than one website on the Internet. Which
 
  website are you referring to? What .py script did you download? How did
 
  you run it? Details are important!
 
 sorry about that; I was using the setuptools package from pypi python [
 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools ]; I downloaded the ez_setup.py
 file from under the 64-bit windows installation section and ran that (by
 double clicking on it, I hope this wasn't another noob mistake lol)
 
  It looks like you tried to run the easy_install command from inside the
 
  Python interactive interpreter, rather than from your system shell.
 
 
 
  The system shell (command.com or cmd.exe I guess) will have a $ or %
 sign
 
  as the prompt. Python usually has  as the prompt, although if you are
 
  running ActivePython it may be something else. You need to run the
 
  easy_install BeautifulSoup4 command from the system shell, not Python.
 
 
 
 
 
  Try that, and if there's another error, please copy and paste the exact
 
  command you used, and the full error message.
 
 running easy_install from the command line worked and BeautifulSoup4 seems
 to have installed, thanks for pointing out my mistake

 the only problem I have now is that importing beautifulsoup into a .py
 file I wrote generates an error (I'm using ActiveState Komodo Edit 7, is
 there another program you would recommend to a beginner like me?)

 trying to run the script gives an import error:
 ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup


You should read the BeautifulSoup tutorial/documentation.  If I remember
correctly you do

from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
Look at this tutorial to get started:
http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/



 importing other modules like os and urllib that came with the python
 installation work without problems

 looking online, all I've found were other accounts talking about a
 beautifulsoup.py that should be in the C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages
 directory, but I've found no such thing from the installation anywhere in
 the Python folder (funnily enough, I did a drive search with Everything and
 found a BeautifulSoup.py in my autodesk maya installation)

 am I somewhere near the mark? or am I off completely?
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Re: noob can't install python modules/scripts

2012-12-29 Thread lostguru
On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:33:59 AM UTC-5, Joel Goldstick wrote:
 You should read the BeautifulSoup tutorial/documentation.  If I remember 
 correctly you do  
 from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
 
 Look at this tutorial to get started:  
 http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/

ah got it, I was told to use import -modulename- for pretty much everything by 
a classmate; I'll definitely look into the documentation


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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Dave Angel
On 12/29/2012 07:39 AM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 Thanks for reply. I will really appreciate if you reply to my mail id and
 keep python list in cc, since everytime you reply my query i need to search
 the reply in the forwarding message of python list.

I won't be able to remember to special-case your account, but maybe for
the next few days.  Far too many others have complained when they get an
email directly, either by sending me a request message, by using an
address at the invalid domain, by hijacking some bogus email address,
or by having an autoreply that says Please don't try to contact me at
this address.  For a while I considered adding all such people to a
kill-file, but decided I'd miss too much.

I suggest you get used to reading all messages, or to simply following
the thread.  (For example, Thunderbird can keep all messages together
which are replies to each other) And while I've got you, it'd be nice if
you used reply-list yourself, instead of starting a new thread each time.

 
 Using logger.setLevel(logging.DEBUG) will log only debug message in the log
 file and discard other message from log file. So that's not solving the
 issue of my problem. I am looking into code to find out the issue.
 

That's not what setLevel() does.  It's a = comparison, not an == one.
 http://docs.python.org/2/library/logging
Logger.setLevel(lvl)
Sets the threshold for this logger to lvl. Logging messages which are
less severe than lvl will be ignored.

Perhaps you should also read the page:
http://docs.python.org/dev/howto/logging
search for the phrase  increasing order of severity where it lists the
5 levels, in order.  The default level for the root logger is WARNING,
so it ignores DEBUG and INFO messages.  I suggested changing it to
DEBUG, so those won't get ignored.

You probably need to write a 10-line self-contained program to
experiment with this, and run it outside of openerp.  Chances are
openerp is doing something special that you need to conform to.  But I'm
not going to be able to guess that.



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Inserting Unicode chars in Entry widget

2012-12-29 Thread Alan Graham
Hello Python experts,

I want to insert Unicode chars in an Entry widget by pushing on buttons;
one for each Unicode character I need. I have made the Unicode buttons.
I just need a simple function that will send the Unicode character to
the Entry widget.
Is there a better approach?

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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Morten Engvoldsen
Hi Dave,
Thanks a lot for your reply. I have used logging.setLevel(logger.DEBUG)
because of threshold as you said.

I didn't copy paste the entire program since it was very huge. The batch 
which value i am trying to retrieve is in a a for loop :

for payment in payment_line:

but here payment_line has null value since it was not able to retrieve
payment line value from the payment object. So i would like to know if
payment_line has null value, will it be enter into for loop since i was
able to log message which is  before the for loop but the message inside
the for loop i am not able to log.

Thanks again... :)

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:

 On 12/29/2012 07:39 AM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
  Hi Dave,
  Thanks for reply. I will really appreciate if you reply to my mail id and
  keep python list in cc, since everytime you reply my query i need to
 search
  the reply in the forwarding message of python list.

 I won't be able to remember to special-case your account, but maybe for
 the next few days.  Far too many others have complained when they get an
 email directly, either by sending me a request message, by using an
 address at the invalid domain, by hijacking some bogus email address,
 or by having an autoreply that says Please don't try to contact me at
 this address.  For a while I considered adding all such people to a
 kill-file, but decided I'd miss too much.

 I suggest you get used to reading all messages, or to simply following
 the thread.  (For example, Thunderbird can keep all messages together
 which are replies to each other) And while I've got you, it'd be nice if
 you used reply-list yourself, instead of starting a new thread each time.

 
  Using logger.setLevel(logging.DEBUG) will log only debug message in the
 log
  file and discard other message from log file. So that's not solving the
  issue of my problem. I am looking into code to find out the issue.
 

 That's not what setLevel() does.  It's a = comparison, not an == one.
  http://docs.python.org/2/library/logging
 Logger.setLevel(lvl)
 Sets the threshold for this logger to lvl. Logging messages which are
 less severe than lvl will be ignored.

 Perhaps you should also read the page:
 http://docs.python.org/dev/howto/logging
 search for the phrase  increasing order of severity where it lists the
 5 levels, in order.  The default level for the root logger is WARNING,
 so it ignores DEBUG and INFO messages.  I suggested changing it to
 DEBUG, so those won't get ignored.

 You probably need to write a 10-line self-contained program to
 experiment with this, and run it outside of openerp.  Chances are
 openerp is doing something special that you need to conform to.  But I'm
 not going to be able to guess that.



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Re: Inserting Unicode chars in Entry widget

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Alan Graham alan.l.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Python experts,

 I want to insert Unicode chars in an Entry widget by pushing on buttons;
 one for each Unicode character I need. I have made the Unicode buttons.
 I just need a simple function that will send the Unicode character to
 the Entry widget.
 Is there a better approach?

What GUI toolkit are you using?

Whatever it is, there ought to be a simple method on the Entry widget
that inserts a character. Poke around with it and you'll probably find
it, though you may find it under a name you don't expect. (Happens a
lot. GTK calls something sensitive when the rest of the world calls
it enabled.)

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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Morten Engvoldsen mortene...@gmail.com wrote:
 but here payment_line has null value since it was not able to retrieve
 payment line value from the payment object.

Specifically what value? Is it an empty string? An empty list? The
singleton None?

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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Dave Angel
On 12/29/2012 11:54 AM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
 Hi Dave,
 Thanks a lot for your reply. I have used logging.setLevel(logger.DEBUG)
 because of threshold as you said.
 
 I didn't copy paste the entire program since it was very huge. The batch 
 which value i am trying to retrieve is in a a for loop :
 
 for payment in payment_line:
 
 but here payment_line has null value since it was not able to retrieve
 payment line value from the payment object. 

The closest thing Python has to null value is called None.  If
payment_line is None, then you'll get an exception on that loop.

As I said a while ago, I have no idea how openerp handles exceptions.
Maybe it's just doing a bare except, and ignoring anything that goes
wrong in your functions.  (Very bad practice)

It could be that payment_line is an empty list.  In that case, the loop
will execute zero times.  That would also explain the lack of output.

So if openerp gives you no debugging aid, then you may have to fake it
with the logger.  How about logging a simple message just before the loop?

logger.debug(value of payment_line is  + repr(payment_line))

Did you ever fix the other things wrong with that create method?  Like
using log.debug when the object was called logger?  Or incrementing
line_counter when there was no such variable, and when it would vanish
when you exited the method anyway?



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Re: Inserting Unicode chars in Entry widget

2012-12-29 Thread Irmen de Jong
On 29-12-2012 17:43, Alan Graham wrote:
 Hello Python experts,
 
 I want to insert Unicode chars in an Entry widget by pushing on buttons;
 one for each Unicode character I need. I have made the Unicode buttons.
 I just need a simple function that will send the Unicode character to
 the Entry widget.
 Is there a better approach?
 
 Alan
 

Not sure what the question is. A better approach to doing what?

I assuming you're doing tkinter (it is helpful if you mention the toolkit when 
posting a
question). I'd create a function that you bind to all 'unicode buttons', and 
let the
function insert the correct character depending on which button triggered it.

A possible way to do that is to use a lambda with a different parameter for 
every
button, like this:

b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda b=1: insert_char(b))
b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda b=2: insert_char(b))
...etc..

def insert_char(b):
if b==1:
entrywidget.insert(0, u\u20ac)   # inserts € in the entry widget e
elif b==2:
entrywidget.insert(0, ...some other char...)
...


Or simply define a different command function for every button, then you don't 
have to
use the lambda.

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Re: Inserting Unicode chars in Entry widget

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Irmen de Jong irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda b=1: insert_char(b))
 b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda b=2: insert_char(b))
 ...etc..

 def insert_char(b):
 if b==1:
 entrywidget.insert(0, u\u20ac)   # inserts € in the entry widget e
 elif b==2:
 entrywidget.insert(0, ...some other char...)
 ...

I'm not familiar with tkinter syntax, but why not:

b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda: insert_char(1))
b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda: insert_char(2))

or even:

b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda: insert_char(u\u20ac))
b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda: insert_char(... some other
char...))

Seems weird to multiplex like that, but if there's a good reason for
it, sure. I'm more of a GTK person than tkinter, and more of a
command-line guy than either of the above.

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Monte Milanuk

On 12/27/2012 12:01 PM, mogul wrote:


I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.



Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20
years too for me?


If you've been using vi/vim happily, then I'd assume you're fully 
comfortable setting it up to do what ever you need.  In that case... I'd 
say stick with what you know.


Me, I have less 'invested' in any particular editor or environment, and 
I certainly don't 'need' a lot of the fancy extras that a lot of IDEs 
have... but setting up pydev/eclipse or spyder takes care of pretty much 
all that I need/want easily, and I can setup a fresh environment the way 
I want inside five minutes with a mouse, fairly intuitively, without 
having to go digging through config scripts and the web and books and 
such to figure out what does what.  I'd rather spend that time working 
on projects, not 'programming' my text editor.  It's neat and all if it 
works for you, but just doesn't turn my crank, personally.


I know a lot is made of the speed with which things can be done with vim 
and similar pure text editors... which is all well and good, but 
somewhere in the not-so-distant past I saw a comment which hit home for 
me.  Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to 
coding, but I spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than 
typing things in... so shaving a few seconds here and there are less 
important to me.


YMMV,

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
 spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...
 so shaving a few seconds here and there are less important to me.

The value of a good editor isn't just in saving seconds. A couple of examples:

* Bracket matching helps to catch errors. Especially helpful when
combined with...
* Language-sensitive auto-indentation. If the editor detects that the
last line isn't complete (maybe you opened a parenthesis that you
didn't close...
... like that...)
and automatically indents, then you have instant feedback, before you
even run the program.
* Rapid location of relevant code. In SciTE, I can put the cursor on a
word and hit Ctrl-F3 to search for other occurrences of it - for
instance, put the cursor on a function name and find its definition.
(A strict declare-before-use policy helps here, as you can be fairly
sure that the first occurrence of that word will be the one you want.)
* Highlighting of comments and quoted strings, including all the
esoteric rules about line continuation and nesting.

Several of these points are more important to the polyglot than to
someone who uses only one language ever. For instance, in Python and
C, this would show an error, but in bash and PHP, it's not:

asdf
qwer

The difficulty of debugging varies directly with the time between
making and discovering the error. Finding a problem by compiling,
running, and using a program is good (better than it staying till
production); finding that same problem while you're in the
compilation stage is better; finding it right at that instant while
you're typing makes the correction trivial. That's why spell-checkers
have migrated from press Ctrl-Q to check this document to red
squiggly lines underneath your text if the computer thinks it's
wrong. (That said, the number of spelling errors in published
documents hasn't gone down since red squigglies were invented, so
instant feedback isn't a panacea!)

Of course, editors are as much a matter of taste as they are science...

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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Morten Engvoldsen
Hi Dev,
Thanks a lot Dev for your reply. It is really a great help.  Yes i have
fixed what was wrong in the create method like log.debug. I have declared
line_counter=1 before the for loop.  i will try now to chcek the value of
payment_line.

Thanks again a lot. I am greateful be a member of this forum :)

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:

 On 12/29/2012 11:54 AM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
  Hi Dave,
  Thanks a lot for your reply. I have used logging.setLevel(logger.DEBUG)
  because of threshold as you said.
 
  I didn't copy paste the entire program since it was very huge. The
 batch 
  which value i am trying to retrieve is in a a for loop :
 
  for payment in payment_line:
 
  but here payment_line has null value since it was not able to retrieve
  payment line value from the payment object.

 The closest thing Python has to null value is called None.  If
 payment_line is None, then you'll get an exception on that loop.

 As I said a while ago, I have no idea how openerp handles exceptions.
 Maybe it's just doing a bare except, and ignoring anything that goes
 wrong in your functions.  (Very bad practice)

 It could be that payment_line is an empty list.  In that case, the loop
 will execute zero times.  That would also explain the lack of output.

 So if openerp gives you no debugging aid, then you may have to fake it
 with the logger.  How about logging a simple message just before the loop?

 logger.debug(value of payment_line is  + repr(payment_line))

 Did you ever fix the other things wrong with that create method?  Like
 using log.debug when the object was called logger?  Or incrementing
 line_counter when there was no such variable, and when it would vanish
 when you exited the method anyway?



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Re: Keeping a Tkinter GUI alive during a long running process

2012-12-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-21, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:

 I maintain a Tkinter application that's a front-end to to a package 
 manger, and I have never been able to find a way to keep the app from 
 locking up at some point during the piping in of the package manager's 
 build output into a text widget. At some point the buffer is overwhelmed 
 and the app simply can't respond anymore, or writes data to the text 
 widget after locking up for a period.

 I've long used the typical Tkinter design pattern of opening a pipe to 
 the external command, and letting it do its thing. However, after a 
 time, this locks up the app. If I try to throttle the buffer with some 
 combination of update or after or update_idletasks, that keeps the 
 data flowing, but it comes in too slowly and keeps flowing in long after 
 the external process has terminated.

Isn't there a way in Tkinter to have a file descriptor produce an
event whenever it becomes readble?

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3348757/how-to-make-tkinter-repond-events-while-waiting-socket-data

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-27, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
 on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.

 Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.

 Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,

No.

 or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20
 years too for me? 

I've been writing Python programs for 10-12 years, and I use the same
IDE I use for everything else:  Emacs, svn/git/whatever and a command line.

I do use the meld visual diff program quite a bit...

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 12:44 PM, Monte Milanuk wrote:
Maybe its because I'm still  just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I spend far more time 
'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in... so shaving a 
few seconds here and there are less important to me.



I think the general idea is that with editors like Vim you don't get
distracted by having to do some kind of an editor task, letting you keep
your full attention on the code logic. For instance, if I need to change
a block inside parens, I type ci) (stands for change inside parens),
while with a regular editor I'd have to do it manually and by the time
I'm done, I'd forget the bigger picture of what I'm doing with the code.
Another example: ap stands for indent a paragraph (separated by blank
lines). And there are many dozens if not hundreds such commands that
let you stay focused on the logic of your code.

The trade-off, of course, is that you have to remember all (or most) of
the commands, but I figured if I spend the next 20-30+ years programming
in some version of Vim, it's well worth the initial investment.

By the way, to help me remember the commands, I wrote a small script
that lets me type in a few characters of a command or its description
and filters out the list of matching commands. It really helps,
especially when I change a lot of my mappings.

 - mitya


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Re: Inserting Unicode chars in Entry widget

2012-12-29 Thread Irmen de Jong
On 29-12-2012 18:23, Chris Angelico wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Irmen de Jong irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda b=1: insert_char(b))
 b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda b=2: insert_char(b))
 ...etc..

 def insert_char(b):
 if b==1:
 entrywidget.insert(0, u\u20ac)   # inserts € in the entry widget e
 elif b==2:
 entrywidget.insert(0, ...some other char...)
 ...
 
 I'm not familiar with tkinter syntax, but why not:
 
 b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda: insert_char(1))
 b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda: insert_char(2))
 
 or even:
 
 b1=Button(f, text='char1', command=lambda: insert_char(u\u20ac))
 b2=Button(f, text='char2', command=lambda: insert_char(... some other
 char...))
 
 Seems weird to multiplex like that, but if there's a good reason for
 it, sure. I'm more of a GTK person than tkinter, and more of a
 command-line guy than either of the above.
 
 ChrisA
 

You're right there's nothing special about tkinter there, I was copying some 
existing
code a bit too literally. Simplify the lambdas as needed. :)

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Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper()

2012-12-29 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mercredi 19 décembre 2012 16:33:50 UTC+1, Christian Heimes a écrit :
 
 I think Python 3.3+ is using uppercase mapping (uc) instead of simple
 
 upper case (suc).

I think you are thinking correctly. This a clever answer.

Note: I do not care about the uc / suc choice. As long
there is consistency, I'm fine with the choice. Anyway, the
only valid programming technique on that field is to create
a dedicated lib for a given script (esp. French!)

jmf



 
 
 
 
 
 Some background:
 
 
 
 The old German Fractur has three variants of the letter S:
 
 
 
  capital s: S
 
  long s: ſ
 
  round s: s.
 
 
 
 ß is a ligature of ſs. ſ is usually used at the beginning or middle of a
 
 syllable while s is used at the end of a syllable. Compare Wachſtube
 
 (Wach-Stube == guard room) to Wachstube (Wachs-Tube == tube of wax). :)
 
 
 
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dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Quint Rankid
Newbie question.  I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.

Given a list like:
w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
a = {}
for x in w:
a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
results in a having the value:
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I've tried a few things
eg
a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
results in error messages.

And
a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
also results in error messages.

Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
a3 = {}
a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
{1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?

TIA
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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote:
  Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
  spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...

If more professional programmers spent more time thinking and less 
type typing, the world would be a better place.  Keep doing what you're 
doing.  Really. 

Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
[regarding 
 Bracket matching
 Language-sensitive auto-indentation
 and automatically indents

Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring.  And keyword highlighting.  
And autocompletion of variable names.

And parsing of error messages.

I'll pause a moment to let that sink in.  Grok the fullness of just how 
awesome a feature it is.

In emacs, for example. I'll do C-C M (which I have bound to M-X 
Compile).  This runs a command and captures the output in a buffer.  If 
the output happens to contain something like:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
/home/roy/production/python/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/nose/case.
py, line 197, in runTest
self.test(*self.arg)
  File /home/roy/songza/api2/test_api2.py, line 16, in test_get_api
data = requests.get(url('api/v2/')).json
  File /home/roy/songza/api2/test_common.py, line 13, in url
assert route.startswith('/')
AssertionError

emacs will parse that, highlight the filenames and line numbers and if I 
type M-`, it'll take me to the line of the next error (including opening 
the file if it's not already open).

I assume other smart editors have similar capabilities.  Different tools 
have different combinations of these, or slightly different 
implementations.  Find one you like and learn all of it's capabilities.  
It makes a huge difference in how productive you are.
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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
In article 
724d4fea-606a-4503-b538-87442f6bc...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com,
 Quint Rankid qbr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Newbie question.  I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.
 
 Given a list like:
 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
 a = {}
 for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1

Why are you trying to do this mind-blowing thing?  Other than as an 
entry in an obfuscated code contest, what is this for?

Anyway, I don't think this is possible with a dict comprehension.  
Entries in the dict depend on entries previously put into the dict.  I 
don't see any way a dict comprehension can deal with this.
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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 02:48 PM, Quint Rankid wrote:

Newbie question.  I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.

Given a list like:
w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
a = {}
for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
results in a having the value:
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I've tried a few things
eg
a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
results in error messages.

And
a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
also results in error messages.

Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
a3 = {}
a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
{1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?

TIA


Will this do?:

 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 {x: w.count(x) for x in w}
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 03:01 PM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

On 12/29/2012 02:48 PM, Quint  Rankid wrote:

 Newbie question. I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.

 Given a list like:
 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
 a = {}
 for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
 results in a having the value:
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

 I've tried a few things
 eg
 a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 results in error messages.

 And
 a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 also results in error messages.

 Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
 a3 = {}
 a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
 {1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}

 I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
 most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?

 TIA

 Will this do?:

  w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
  {x: w.count(x) for x in w}
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


 - mitya


I should probably add that this might be inefficient for large lists as
it repeats count for each item. If you need it for large lists, profile
against the 'for loop' version and decide if performance is good enough
for you, for small lists it's a nice and compact solution.

In a more general case, you can't refer to the list/dict/etc
comprehension as it's being constructed, that's just not a design goal
of comprehensions.

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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.netwrote:

 On 12/29/2012 03:01 PM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

 On 12/29/2012 02:48 PM, Quint  Rankid wrote:

  Newbie question. I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.
 
  Given a list like:
  w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
  I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
  a = {}
  for x in w:
  a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
  results in a having the value:
  {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}
 
  I've tried a few things
  eg
  a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
  results in error messages.
 
  And
  a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
  also results in error messages.
 
  Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
  a3 = {}
  a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
  gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
  {1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}
 
  I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
  most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?
 
  TIA
 
  Will this do?:
 
   w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
   {x: w.count(x) for x in w}
  {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}
 
 
  - mitya
 

 I should probably add that this might be inefficient for large lists as
 it repeats count for each item. If you need it for large lists, profile
 against the 'for loop' version and decide if performance is good enough
 for you, for small lists it's a nice and compact solution.

 In a more general case, you can't refer to the list/dict/etc
 comprehension as it's being constructed, that's just not a design goal
 of comprehensions.


Would this help:

  w = [1,2,3,1,2,4,4,5,6,1]
  s = set(w)
  s
 set([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
  {x:w.count(x) for x in s}
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}



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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Peter Otten
Quint Rankid wrote:

 Newbie question.  I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.
 
 Given a list like:
 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
 a = {}
 for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
 results in a having the value:
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}
 
 I've tried a few things
 eg
 a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 results in error messages.
 
 And
 a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 also results in error messages.
 
 Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
 a3 = {}
 a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
 {1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}
 
 I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
 most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?

The name a3 will not be rebound until after the right side is evaluate. To 
spell it with a loop:

a3 = {}
_internal = {} # You have no access to this var. 
   # Even if you can beat a particular 
   # Python implementation -- you shouldn't

for x in w:
_internal[x] = a3.get(x, 0) + 1

a3 = _internal

That should make it clear that x will be looked up in the old empty a3 
dict.

The closest you can get to a self-updating dict is probably

 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 a1 = {}
 a1.update((x, a1.get(x, 0)+1) for x in w)
 a1
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

but that it works doesn't mean it is a good idea. 
If your Python version supports it the obvious choice is

 from collections import Counter
 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 Counter(w)
Counter({1: 3, 2: 2, 4: 2, 3: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1})


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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread MRAB

On 2012-12-29 19:48, Quint Rankid wrote:

Newbie question.  I've googled a little and haven't found the answer.

Given a list like:
w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
a = {}
for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
results in a having the value:
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I've tried a few things
eg
a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
results in error messages.

And
a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
also results in error messages.

Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
a3 = {}
a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
{1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}

I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?


You can't do it with a comprehension.

The best way is probably with the 'Counter' class:

 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 from collections import Counter
 Counter(w)
Counter({1: 3, 2: 2, 4: 2, 3: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1})

If you want the result be a dict, then just the result to 'dict':

 dict(Counter(w))
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

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new pipeline manager, feedback welcome

2012-12-29 Thread franapoli
Hi all,

I hope this post can be of interest to someone of you. I'm the developer of a 
pipeline management system called Leaf (the Python library is called pyleaf). 
While initially developed for internal use only at my dpt., we tried to make it 
a decent standalone tool for everyone interested. You can find it at 
www.neuronelab.dmi.unisa.it/leaf.

Briefly, a pipeline manager is basically a system that helps you automating 
common tasks that arise in a pipes-and-filters processing context. That is: you 
have some data and want to process them through different series of cascading 
filters (python functions). Example:

  / filter1 - filter2
data 
  \ filter3

The example above is actually in Leaf language and can be exploited directly in 
a Python environment thanks to the library pyleaf. Other nice pipeline managers 
exist, like Ruffus, but this ASCII-art approach is peculiar to Leaf.

We use the tool on a daily basis and are quite happy with it, but feedback from 
different users would be of great help to improve its stability and usability.

Pyleaf sources are available on git-hub, that also supports an issue tracker 
(empty at the moment):

https://github.com/franapoli/pyleaf


Thank you very much in advance for your interest. Any feedback appreciated.
Cheers,
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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Morten Engvoldsen
Hi Dave,
It is able to log the message with:
logger.debug(value of payment_line is  +repr(payment_line))

The output is:
value of payment_line is []

So it means payment_line is an empty list, so may be it could be reason
it's not able to enter into the loop since the message in the for loop is
not logged in the log file.

Thanks and good night.. :)


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Morten Engvoldsen mortene...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Dev,
 Thanks a lot Dev for your reply. It is really a great help.  Yes i have
 fixed what was wrong in the create method like log.debug. I have declared
 line_counter=1 before the for loop.  i will try now to chcek the value of
 payment_line.

 Thanks again a lot. I am greateful be a member of this forum :)

 On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:

 On 12/29/2012 11:54 AM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
  Hi Dave,
  Thanks a lot for your reply. I have used logging.setLevel(logger.DEBUG)
  because of threshold as you said.
 
  I didn't copy paste the entire program since it was very huge. The
 batch 
  which value i am trying to retrieve is in a a for loop :
 
  for payment in payment_line:
 
  but here payment_line has null value since it was not able to retrieve
  payment line value from the payment object.

 The closest thing Python has to null value is called None.  If
 payment_line is None, then you'll get an exception on that loop.

 As I said a while ago, I have no idea how openerp handles exceptions.
 Maybe it's just doing a bare except, and ignoring anything that goes
 wrong in your functions.  (Very bad practice)

 It could be that payment_line is an empty list.  In that case, the loop
 will execute zero times.  That would also explain the lack of output.

 So if openerp gives you no debugging aid, then you may have to fake it
 with the logger.  How about logging a simple message just before the loop?

 logger.debug(value of payment_line is  + repr(payment_line))

 Did you ever fix the other things wrong with that create method?  Like
 using log.debug when the object was called logger?  Or incrementing
 line_counter when there was no such variable, and when it would vanish
 when you exited the method anyway?



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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Monte Milanuk

On 12/29/2012 11:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:


Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
[regarding

Bracket matching
Language-sensitive auto-indentation
and automatically indents


Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring.  And keyword highlighting.
And autocompletion of variable names.


I'll probably get dog-piled by the vim/emacs folks again here... but 
isn't that something most decent text editors do?



On 12/29/2012 11:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:


And parsing of error messages.

I'll pause a moment to let that sink in.  Grok the fullness of just how
awesome a feature it is.

In emacs, for example. I'll do C-C M (which I have bound to M-X
Compile).  This runs a command and captures the output in a buffer.  If
the output happens to contain something like:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File
/home/roy/production/python/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/nose/case.
py, line 197, in runTest
 self.test(*self.arg)
   File /home/roy/songza/api2/test_api2.py, line 16, in test_get_api
 data = requests.get(url('api/v2/')).json
   File /home/roy/songza/api2/test_common.py, line 13, in url
 assert route.startswith('/')
AssertionError

emacs will parse that, highlight the filenames and line numbers and if I
type M-`, it'll take me to the line of the next error (including opening
the file if it's not already open).

I assume other smart editors have similar capabilities.  Different tools
have different combinations of these, or slightly different
implementations.  Find one you like and learn all of it's capabilities.
It makes a huge difference in how productive you are.




While I probably don't use the vast majority of the 'fancy' features of 
most IDEs - most of what I do barely requires any real 'project 
manangement'... there are a couple things that I've gotten *very* used 
to with an IDE.


One is having it run pylint and pep8 checks against code, display the 
output in a friendly format with links straight to the offending items 
and even displaying colored carats in the gutter region and 
high-lighting them.


The other is having it parse my imports, and use them for the 
'auto-complete' aka 'code intelligence' features - and not just the 
standard library stuff, but also GUI toolkits like PyQt4.


I'm pretty sure those things can be done, or something fairly close at 
least, in editors like vim or emacs... but the few times I looked into 
it for vim, it was enough to send me running back to Eclipse/PyDev, even 
if it is kind of an 800lb gorilla otherwise.


It's still on my 'one of these days' list of things to do, though ;)



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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 03:50 PM, Morten Engvoldsen wrote:

Hi Dave,

 It is able to log the message with:
 logger.debug(value of payment_line is  +repr(payment_line))

 The output is:
 value of payment_line is []

 So it means payment_line is an empty list, so may be it could be 
reason it's not able to enter into the loop since the message in the for 
loop is not logged in the log file.


 Thanks and good night.. :)


You can easily test how iteration over empty list works:



l=[]

 for x in l: print(x)
...




i.e. nothing is printed because loop runs 0 times.


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Re: Facing issue with Python loggin logger for printing object value

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.1442.1356814265.29569.python-l...@python.org,
 Morten Engvoldsen mortene...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is able to log the message with:
 logger.debug(value of payment_line is  +repr(payment_line))

As a side note, a better way to write that is

logger.debug(value of payment_line is %r, payment_line)

The difference is that the first way, repr(payment_line) is evaluated, 
and the string addition is done, before debug() is called.  Only then 
will it be decided if message should be logged, and if not, it will be 
discarded.

The second way, payment_line will just get passed to debug().  If the 
message is never logged, repr() will never get called.  Much more 
efficient that way, especially for debug calls which most of the time 
will not get logged.
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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
 Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
 [regarding
 Bracket matching
 Language-sensitive auto-indentation
 and automatically indents

 Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring.  And keyword highlighting.
 And autocompletion of variable names.

Syntax coloring I kinda touched on in different pieces; keyword
highlighting isn't, imho, all that important. Apart from reminding you
that the variable name you planned to use is an obscure keyword, it
doesn't save all that much time. Auto-complete is handy, but not
critical.

 And parsing of error messages.

 I'll pause a moment to let that sink in.  Grok the fullness of just how
 awesome a feature it is.

And how glaring an omission from my list. Yes. This one *definitely*
belongs there. Though unlike most of the other examples, it's not as
language-specific; you can cover a huge number of utilities by simply
recognizing:

filename:line: message

Coupled with a helpful C compiler, this lets you jump around pretty
easily. For instance, gcc will (if I recall correctly - haven't had to
use this feature in a while, something to do with writing more code in
Python and Pike than C, but anyway), if the arguments to a function
mismatch, show error lines highlighting both the invocation *and* the
declaration, so you can quickly compare (even if they're in different
files).

 emacs will parse that, highlight the filenames and line numbers and if I
 type M-`, it'll take me to the line of the next error (including opening
 the file if it's not already open).

 I assume other smart editors have similar capabilities.

Yeah, SciTE has F4 and Shift-F4 to cycle forwards/backwards through
messages, and I expect it's pretty much standard among editors that
can invoke external tools. It's extremely handy; not only errors from
compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit too.

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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 03:15 PM, Joel Goldstick wrote:




On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.net 
mailto:msire...@lightbird.net wrote:


On 12/29/2012 03:01 PM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

On 12/29/2012 02:48 PM, Quint  Rankid wrote:

 Newbie question. I've googled a little and haven't found the
answer.

 Given a list like:
 w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
 I would like to be able to do the following as a dict
comprehension.
 a = {}
 for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
 results in a having the value:
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}

 I've tried a few things
 eg
 a1 = {x:self.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 results in error messages.

 And
 a2 = {x:a2.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 also results in error messages.

 Trying to set a variable to a dict before doing the comprehension
 a3 = {}
 a3 = {x:a3.get(x,0)+1 for x in w}
 gets this result, which isn't what I wanted.
 {1: 1, 2: 1, 3: 1, 4: 1, 5: 1, 6: 1}

 I'm not sure that it's possible to do this, and if not, perhaps the
 most obvious question is what instance does the get method bind to?

 TIA

 Will this do?:

  w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
  {x: w.count(x) for x in w}
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


 - mitya


I should probably add that this might be inefficient for large
lists as
it repeats count for each item. If you need it for large lists,
profile
against the 'for loop' version and decide if performance is good
enough
for you, for small lists it's a nice and compact solution.

In a more general case, you can't refer to the list/dict/etc
comprehension as it's being constructed, that's just not a design goal
of comprehensions.


Would this help:

  w = [1,2,3,1,2,4,4,5,6,1]
  s = set(w)
  s
 set([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
  {x:w.count(x) for x in s}
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}




Indeed, this is much better -- I didn't think of it..


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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.1446.1356816523.29569.python-l...@python.org,
 Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 Auto-complete is handy, but not critical.

You just wait until your finger joints get to be my age and tell me that 
auto-complete isn't critical :-)

 It's extremely handy; not only errors from
 compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit too.

Emacs has integrations with many version control systems.  Over the 
years, I've gone back and forth over whether I do my version control 
from within emacs or at the command line.

These days (with mercurial), I tend to do most vc-things at the command 
line.  But, I'm addicted to C-x v = (hg diff).  It diffs the current 
buffer against the last checked-in version of the file, and can take me 
directly to any particular changed line.

Again, I would imagine any decent editor these days would have something 
similar.  It just blows my mind when I see people editing program text 
with NotePad or some similar piece of crap.

Oh, yeah, one other thing I forgot.  You want to use an editor which can 
(preferably as something you can turn on and off easily) put line 
numbers down the left margin of the screen.  For solo editing, it's kind 
of silly.  But if you're doing any kind of pair programming, code 
review, or presentation to a group, it's invaluable.  Compare and 
contrast:

In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other 
for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back 
up one.  Yeah there.  On that line, why do you ...

with:

On line 647, why do you ...
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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 04:52 PM, Roy Smith wrote:

In the big for loop, a couple  of lines down, no, not there, the other

 for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
 up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ...

 with:

 On line 647, why do you ...


It's even better when it prints line # from top of screen, I have a
handy mapping that jumps directly to a line # and it's much easier to
type 23space or 9space when you jump around a lot.

 - mitya

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
 In article mailman.1446.1356816523.29569.python-l...@python.org,
  Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's extremely handy; not only errors from
 compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit too.

 Emacs has integrations with many version control systems.  Over the
 years, I've gone back and forth over whether I do my version control
 from within emacs or at the command line.

My point was that it fits _many_ tools, without specific integration
with the tool. But yes, version control integration is a useful tool
(though not one I've personally made use of - I just run git commands
from the command line).

 Again, I would imagine any decent editor these days would have something
 similar.  It just blows my mind when I see people editing program text
 with NotePad or some similar piece of crap.

Yes. And then hopping over to Stack Overflow and trying to figure out
why their PHP script won't create HTTP headers. Combination of poor
language and poor editor...

 Oh, yeah, one other thing I forgot.  You want to use an editor which can
 (preferably as something you can turn on and off easily) put line
 numbers down the left margin of the screen.  For solo editing, it's kind
 of silly.  But if you're doing any kind of pair programming, code
 review, or presentation to a group, it's invaluable.  Compare and
 contrast:

 In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
 for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
 up one.  Yeah there.  On that line, why do you ...

 with:

 On line 647, why do you ...

Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
estate. But yes, vital to be able to see that. Even when I'm sitting
*right next to* my boss and communicating verbally, I'll talk about
the code by quoting line numbers. Let me explain. (No, there is too
much. Let me sum up.) Pull up foobar dot jay ess and go to line
254-ish - see how the frobnosticator always gets called with a quuxed
argument?

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Mitya Sirenef

On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:

In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
up one.  Yeah there.  On that line, why do you ...

with:

On line 647, why do you ...

Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
estate.


I have to disagree -- if someone is standing next to you
and they want to refer to a particular line, they can't
really tell you move the cursor to that line there, so I
can read its line number from status line and then tell
you I'm referring to that line.

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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mitya Sirenef msire...@lightbird.net wrote:
 On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:

 In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
 for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
 up one.  Yeah there.  On that line, why do you ...
 
 with:
 
 On line 647, why do you ...

 Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
 position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
 estate.


 I have to disagree -- if someone is standing next to you
 and they want to refer to a particular line, they can't
 really tell you move the cursor to that line there, so I
 can read its line number from status line and then tell
 you I'm referring to that line.

Ah, to clarify: We have our separate computers in front of us. So when
I quote a line number, it's by looking at my screen, and allows him to
synchronize his display.

Of course, if you can afford the real estate, and as long as they're
not distracting, a column of numbers doesn't hurt.

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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Terry Reedy

On 12/29/2012 4:40 PM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

On 12/29/2012 03:15 PM, Joel Goldstick wrote:



Would this help:

  w = [1,2,3,1,2,4,4,5,6,1]
  s = set(w)
  s
 set([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
  {x:w.count(x) for x in s}
 {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}




Indeed, this is much better -- I didn't think of it..


It still turns an O(n) problem into an O(k*n) problem, where k is the 
number of distinct items.


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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Terry Reedy

On 12/29/2012 2:48 PM, Quint Rankid wrote:


Given a list like:
w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
I would like to be able to do the following as a dict comprehension.
a = {}
for x in w:
 a[x] = a.get(x,0) + 1
results in a having the value:
{1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


Let me paraphrase this: I have nice, clear, straightforward, 
*comprehensible* code that I want to turn into an incomprehensible mess 
with a 'comprehension. That is the ironic allure of comprehensions.


Comprehensions do not allow for interactions between the source items. 
Mitya and Joel worked around this with solutions that do redundant 
calculation and multiply the time order.


Reductions do allow for interactions. Doing everything as a reduction 
was the fad before comprehensions came along ;-)


from functools import reduce
w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
def update(dic, n):
Mutate and return dic (contrary to usual Python policy)
dic[n] = dic.get(n, 0) + 1
return dic
counts = reduce(update, w, {})
print(counts == {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1})

# prints True

The above is how to rewrite your code in a functional language that does 
not have statements and explicit iteration. In Python, I would only 
bother to wrap the body of the loop in a function if I needed the same 
body in multiple places.


Comprehensions are filtered mappings and that both filter and map can be 
written as reduction, so reduction included comprehension. It is more 
powerful because it can also do sequential interaction. Indeed, I would 
say that it should only be used when there is sequential interaction.


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Re: Confused about logger config from within Python (3)

2012-12-29 Thread Terry Reedy

On 12/29/2012 8:48 AM, Roy Smith wrote:

In article 50de7a0a$0$29967$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com,
  Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:


In Python 3.2 and 3.3, the message about no handlers is not printed,
which is an interesting difference. (Somebody who knows more about the
logging package than I do might be able to state why that difference.)


I hope that means that http://bugs.python.org/issue994421 has finally
been fixed :-)


I added an update ;-).

If Vijay wanted the message to be a warning rather than an exception, 
the warnings module and mechanism could have been used (once it was 
available -- I am not sure when that was). But I think a default handler 
is even better.


Given that you disagreed with his disposition of the issue, you might 
have posted to this list for other opinions.


I also hope you appreciate that Vijay has stuck with maintenance and 
upgrade of the module for nearly a decade now.


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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Tim Chase

On 12/29/12 15:40, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

   w = [1,2,3,1,2,4,4,5,6,1]
   s = set(w)
   s
  set([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
   {x:w.count(x) for x in s}
  {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


Indeed, this is much better -- I didn't think of it..


Except that you're still overwhelmed by iterating over every element 
in w for every distinct element.  So you've gone from O(N**2) to 
O(k*N).


The cleanest way to write it (IMHO) is MRAB's

  w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
  from collections import Counter
  results = dict(Counter(w))

which should gather all the statistics in one single pass across w 
making it O(N), and it's Pythonically readable.


-tkc



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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Tim Johnson
* Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid [121229 10:02]:
 On 2012-12-27, mogul morten.gulda...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
  on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
 
  Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
 
  Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
 
 No.
 
  or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20
  years too for me? 
 
  I've been using vim for 12 years now. And it works pretty good for
  me as an IDE. I've written a lot of vimscripts to make vim
  better do my bidding and made generous use of contributed scripts.

  I see no reason to think that I would be more productive using
  anything else, but that is just me.

  Along the way, I did use emacs as well and ended doing quite a bit
  of elisping.

  Elisp does have the advantage of asynchronously running the
  interpereter inside of the editor Just one thing that I
  wouldn't mind seeing in vim.

  I do find vim a bit more nimble than emacs, but each to his/her
  own. It's wonderful to have all of the choices.

  
  They'll take away my vim when they pry it from my cold, dead
  fingers.
  
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Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tim Johnson t...@akwebsoft.com wrote:
 Along the way, I did use emacs as well and ended doing quite a bit
   of elisping.

elispsis. n. the intentional omission of unnecessary work which can be
inferred by the editor; often indicated with three consecutive
parentheses ((( )))

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Re: Confused about logger config from within Python (3)

2012-12-29 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.1455.1356826759.29569.python-l...@python.org,
 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:

 On 12/29/2012 8:48 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
  In article 50de7a0a$0$29967$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com,
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
 
  In Python 3.2 and 3.3, the message about no handlers is not printed,
  which is an interesting difference. (Somebody who knows more about the
  logging package than I do might be able to state why that difference.)
 
  I hope that means that http://bugs.python.org/issue994421 has finally
  been fixed :-)
 
 I added an update ;-).
 
 If Vijay wanted the message to be a warning rather than an exception, 
 the warnings module and mechanism could have been used (once it was 
 available -- I am not sure when that was). But I think a default handler 
 is even better.

Having a default handler is clearly a good fix.

 I also hope you appreciate that Vijay has stuck with maintenance and 
 upgrade of the module for nearly a decade now.

Absolutely.

BTW, I recently discovered a truly awesome thing about logging and 
nosetests.  Apparently, nose attaches a hander to the root logger at 
debug level and buffers anything that gets sent there.  If a test fails, 
it prints anything that logger captured.  So, for example (intentionally 
breaking one of my tests):

  begin captured logging  
requests.packages.urllib3.connectionpool: INFO: Starting new HTTP 
connection (1): localhost.lic.songza.com
requests.packages.urllib3.connectionpool: DEBUG: GET 
/foo:80/api/v2/?format=json ('HTTP/1.1',) 404 None
-  end captured logging  -

This rocks!
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Re: dict comprehension question.

2012-12-29 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.comwrote:

 On 12/29/12 15:40, Mitya Sirenef wrote:

w = [1,2,3,1,2,4,4,5,6,1]
s = set(w)
s
   set([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
{x:w.count(x) for x in s}
   {1: 3, 2: 2, 3: 1, 4: 2, 5: 1, 6: 1}


 Indeed, this is much better -- I didn't think of it..


 Except that you're still overwhelmed by iterating over every element in
 w for every distinct element.  So you've gone from O(N**2) to O(k*N).

 The cleanest way to write it (IMHO) is MRAB's


   w = [1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 1]
   from collections import Counter
   results = dict(Counter(w))

 which should gather all the statistics in one single pass across w
 making it O(N), and it's Pythonically readable.

 -tkc

 I like this too.  I haven't learned about collections module yet.  Thanks
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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Georg Brandl

Georg Brandl added the comment:

In this case it's more of a docutils version problem, I would guess. Tshepang, 
can you find out your docutils version?

But proper use of the note directive is with an empty line, so we should fix 
these instances anyway.

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[issue15112] argparse: nargs='*' positional argument doesn't accept any items if preceded by an option and another positional

2012-12-29 Thread Chris Jerdonek

Chris Jerdonek added the comment:

Was argparse ever supposed to support inputs of the form given in the example 
(i.e. different positional arguments straddling optional arguments): 'yy -x zz'?

The usage string shows up as: usage: test.py [-h] [-x] y [z [z ...]]  The 
original example seems to work with the current code if given as: '-x yy zz'.

Also, substituting argparse.REMAINDER for '*' in the original example gives the 
following both with and without the patch:

Namespace(x=False, y='yy', z=['-x', 'zz'])

That doesn't seem consistent with straddling being supported.

Lastly, passing just '-x' gives the following error with and without the patch 
(z should be optional):

error: the following arguments are required: y, z

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[issue16811] email.message.Message flatten dies of list index out of range

2012-12-29 Thread Helmut Jarausch

New submission from Helmut Jarausch:

The following code triggers the bug:

#!/usr/bin/python3.3
#-*- coding: latin1 -*-
from email.message import Message
from email import policy
from email.parser import FeedParser

Parser= FeedParser(policy=policy.SMTP)
Parser.feed('From jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Apr 24 15:09:24 2012\n')
Parser.feed('X-Status:\n')  # this triggers the bug
Parser.feed('From: Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de\n')

Msg= Parser.close()
Msg_as_str= Msg.as_string(unixfrom=True)

This triggers
  File Email_Parse_Bug.py, line 13, in module
Msg_as_str= Msg.as_string(unixfrom=True)
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/message.py, line 151, in as_string
g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 112, in flatten
self._write(msg)
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 171, in _write
self._write_headers(msg)
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/generator.py, line 198, in _write_headers
self.write(self.policy.fold(h, v))
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/policy.py, line 153, in fold
return self._fold(name, value, refold_binary=True)
  File /usr/lib64/python3.3/email/policy.py, line 176, in _fold
(len(lines[0])+len(name)+2  maxlen or
IndexError: list index out of range


If I strip the '\n' from the lines feeded to the Parser,
the bug does not occur.

Thanks for looking into it,
Helmut.

This is with  Python 3.3.0+ 3.3:ccc372b37fbb+

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[issue16806] col_offset is -1 for multiline string expressions resembling docstrings

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

Carsten Klein added the comment:

Please see the attached patch that will resolve the issue. It also includes a 
test case in test_ast.py.

What the patch does is as follows:

- tok_state is extended by two fields, namely first_lineno
  and multi_line_start

- first_lineno will be set by tok_get as soon as the beginning
  of a STRING is detected and it will be set to the current line
  tok-lineno.

- multi_line_start is the beginning of the first line of a string

- in parsetok we now distinguish between STRING nodes and other
  nodes. in case of STRING nodes, we will use the values of the
  above fields for determining the actual lineno and the col_offset,
  otherwise tok-col_offset and tok-lineno will be used when
  creating the token.

The included test case ensures that the col_offset and lineno of
multi line strings is calculated correctly.

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[issue16806] col_offset is -1 and lineno is wrong for multiline string expressions

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

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2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

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[issue16806] col_offset is -1 and lineno is wrong for multiline string expressions

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

docutils 0.8.1-8

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[issue16808] inspect.stack() should return list of named tuples

2012-12-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf

Daniel Shahaf added the comment:

Why did you set stage to 'needs patch'?  One is already attached.

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Sandro Tosi

Sandro Tosi added the comment:

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
 It is my preference to be able to build all of CPython with the
 already-installed distro packages, instead of pulling in foreign ones.

IMO, I think with a project as bit as CPython, you should leave you
personal preferences apart and use (as much as possible) the tools the
project has decided to use: having a consistent set of tools to build
doc across everyone/everything (like auto-build doc machines) trying
to generate the doc is the proper way to handle it.

 Any reason why not use later versions?

no-one has done the work of testing, preparation and migration: do you
volunteer? :)

 Can't the docs be written such
 that they can run on various versions of these tools anyway?

Not always, but of course, as Georg said, if for note directive we can
have a syntax working with current and higher versions of
sphinx/docutils, that's ok to do it.

I only think that using a non-standard set of doc-build-tools is to be
discouraged, and sticking to what Makefile will fetch is the proper
way to build the doc and contribute to it.

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[issue16801] Preserve original representation for integers / floats in docstrings

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

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The problem with this is that at the time that pydoc gets the information via 
inspect, the numbers have already been parsed as long or double and the 
original notation is no longer available.

This is due to the fact that during build of the AST node for the NUMBER type, 
the value will already be deserialized into its machine representation, which 
is either long or double.

The only way to preserve that information would be to extend the NUM_type with 
an additional 's' field which then would preserve its original notation and 
which can be retrieved from the AST.

pydoc, however, would still fail as it does not use the AST. In order to 
restore the original information, pydoc must then source the original file or 
source of the function or class method and parse it using the AST.

A much simpler approach would be to simply get the function or method source 
and extract its formal parameter list using for example a regular expression.

However, preserving the original notation in the runtime is not required and 
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[issue16801] Preserve original representation for integers / floats in docstrings

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

Carsten Klein added the comment:

Here are some links into the sources:

Python/ast.c, ast_for_atom(), line 1872ff.
Python/ast.c, parsenumber(), line 3632ff.

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

 no-one has done the work of testing, preparation and migration: do you
 volunteer? :)

What needs doing exactly? I would volunteer if guided. I normally
build with the Debian-provided tools, and the docs look good, all but
those note directive errors.

Also, can I submit a patch that adds the missing newlines, or will
some committer take care of it, or does this need further discussion?

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[issue16801] Preserve original representation for integers / floats in docstrings

2012-12-29 Thread Carsten Klein

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However, hinting inspect to use a different format when serializing the default 
values for existing keyword parameters of methods or functions
seems to be a good idea and +1 by me for that.

Personally, I'd rather have the decorator based solution than having to 
manually add additional fields to a given method or function.

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[issue16798] DTD not checked

2012-12-29 Thread Eli Bendersky

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I have no plans adding this feature to etree.

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Sandro Tosi

Sandro Tosi added the comment:

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
 no-one has done the work of testing, preparation and migration: do you
 volunteer? :)

 What needs doing exactly? I would volunteer if guided. I normally

(you always can't expect to be guided) it's not much more than

- update sphinx (and the other tools it depends on, if needed).
- fix what's broken or what needs updating
- verify the doc is ok

for any supported branches.

 Also, can I submit a patch that adds the missing newlines, or will
 some committer take care of it, or does this need further discussion?

it won't hurt to have a patch. But please build the doc it with the
CPython selected tools before submitting the patch, and verifying the
doc sections you've changed are still ok.

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[issue16804] python3 -S -m site fails

2012-12-29 Thread Christian Heimes

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[issue16812] os.symlink can return wrong FileExistsError/WindowsError information

2012-12-29 Thread Andrew

New submission from Andrew:

When attempting to make a symlink using a name that already exists, a 
FileExistsError is raised (and rightfully so), but it lists the source name 
rather than the destination name. However, the existing destination name is 
what causes the exception to be raised, not the existing source. Since the 
FileExistsError is WinError 183 and I haven't attempted this on another OS, I'm 
marking this as Windows-specific. Issue 13775 seems to be related.

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[issue16813] use paths relative to CPython root

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

New submission from Tshepang Lekhonkhobe:

I think it's a good idea to simply list the 'full' path.

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[issue16814] use --directory option of make

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

New submission from Tshepang Lekhonkhobe:

This avoids having to run 2 separate commands.

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[issue16814] use --directory option of make

2012-12-29 Thread Sandro Tosi

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i'd use

make -C Doc html

much more compact and what you would usually find on the internet for cd into 
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[issue16814] use --directory option of make

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

I like long-form options for documentation purposes since it's clearer
what the option is for.

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[issue16219] segfault when using xml.etree.ElementTree.XMLTreeBuilder

2012-12-29 Thread Eli Bendersky

Changes by Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com:


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[issue16076] xml.etree.ElementTree.Element and xml.etree.ElementTree.TreeBuilder are no longer pickleable

2012-12-29 Thread Eli Bendersky

Eli Bendersky added the comment:

Daniel, is your patch made vs. the 3.3 branch? I'll need to apply there first, 
and then merge up to default (3.4).

[Also, removing the 3.2 tag here. 3.2 won't be fixed to make _elementtree 
pickleable - it never was].

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[issue16076] xml.etree.ElementTree.Element and xml.etree.ElementTree.TreeBuilder are no longer pickleable

2012-12-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf

Daniel Shahaf added the comment:

I wrote the patch against default (3.4), but it applies cleanly to 3.3.

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[issue16076] xml.etree.ElementTree.Element and xml.etree.ElementTree.TreeBuilder are no longer pickleable

2012-12-29 Thread Eli Bendersky

Eli Bendersky added the comment:

Also, could you explain what makes test___all__ start failing with this patch? 
What are you adding that makes that happen?

P.S. I suspect the root reason is the bad way etree tests are structured in 
general. See issue 15083

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[issue15651] PEP 3121, 384 refactoring applied to elementtree module

2012-12-29 Thread Eli Bendersky

Eli Bendersky added the comment:

Thanks for the patch. I'll take a look.

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[issue16811] email.message.Message flatten dies of list index out of range

2012-12-29 Thread R. David Murray

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[issue16811] email.message.Message flatten dies of list index out of range

2012-12-29 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

Thanks for the report.

We thought we fixed this once already (in issue 11401).  It looks like that 
only fixed the old folding algorithm, and that the new one has the same bug.  
I thought the test ran against both algorithms, but I must have made a mistake.

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

I have tested the attached patch using official tools (make -C Doc html) and 
the only differences, between before and after, are:

* The genindex files, where some of the keywords that are duplicated in the 
documentation would end up getting randomly swapped around. An example is 
DEDENT token, which appears twice in the documentation (see 
http://docs.python.org/3/genindex-D.html). In its case, the 1st url points to 
where the 2nd url used to point and vice versa.

* objects.inv: related to genindex changes?

* searchindex.js: also related to genindex changes?

I suspect these differences do not matter though, since these are just indexes.

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[issue16813] use paths relative to CPython root in documentation building instructions

2012-12-29 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

Thanks for the suggestion, but the context is that you are in the Doc directory 
in order to run make, so I think the existing documentation is preferable.  I'd 
let George decide, though.

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[issue16814] use --directory option of make

2012-12-29 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray added the comment:

I think the fact that the cd paradigm is more commonly encountered is a fairly 
strong argument in favor of keeping it, but I'm only -0 on this change.

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[issue16814] use --directory option of make in describing how to build the docs

2012-12-29 Thread R. David Murray

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

The previous patch applies cleanly to 3.3 and 3.4. I am now attaching one that 
applies cleanly to 3.2.

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[issue16805] when building docs on Debian 7 -- ERROR: Error in note directive

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

And this one patch applies to 2.7.

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[issue16778] Logger.findCaller needs to be smarter

2012-12-29 Thread Vinay Sajip

Vinay Sajip added the comment:

 Passing a globals() instance looks hackish.

Agreed it's not ideal, but we're constrained by what's available to compare 
against via the frame. Apart from globals() there's only really the filename, 
which isn't ideal either.

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[issue16076] xml.etree.ElementTree.Element and xml.etree.ElementTree.TreeBuilder are no longer pickleable

2012-12-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf

Daniel Shahaf added the comment:

Any attempt to pickle an Element object in test_xml_etree.py causes that test 
to fail if test___all__ had been run before it; see attached transcript.  It's 
against 3.4, with no changes other than the testsuite changes shown within.

I don't know what the root cause is.  As noted before, adding 'xml.etree' to 
test___all__.AllTest.test_all.blacklist is a workaround, so I assume the root 
cause lies within the test framework --- a bad interaction between the import 
magics in test___all__ and test_xml_etree.

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[issue15083] Rewrite ElementTree tests in a cleaner and safer way

2012-12-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf

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[issue16801] Preserve original representation for integers / floats in docstrings

2012-12-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

 And if os.open were supplied in os.py:

 @inspect.override_string_representation('mode',
 'os.O_CREAT | os.O_RDWR')
 def open(file, flags, mode=0o777, *, dir_fd=None):

Other use case is a sentinel default. foo(arg={}) looks better than 
foo(arg=object object) for function which use a sentinel idiom:

_sentinel = object()
def foo(arg=_sentinel):
if arg is _sentinel:
arg = {}
...

Sometimes full signature overwriting is needed (see for example Python 
implementation of operator.methodcaller() in issue16694).

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[issue16809] Tk 8.6.0 introduces TypeError. (Tk 8.5.13 works)

2012-12-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

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[issue16812] os.symlink can return wrong FileExistsError/WindowsError information

2012-12-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

See also issue16074.

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[issue13810] refer people to Doc/Makefile when not using 'make' to build main documentation

2012-12-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe added the comment:

 Additionally, the whole way we're fetching those tools will be revisited soon.

What are/were your plans ?

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[issue13775] Access Denied message on symlink creation misleading for an existing file/directory target.

2012-12-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

See also issue16074.

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[issue16074] bad error message in os.rename

2012-12-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

As I see, now 3.4 behavior differs from 3.3 behavior.

 os.link('non-existent-name', 'new-name')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 1, in module
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'non-existent-name'
 os.symlink('long-name'*1000, 'new-name')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 1, in module
OSError: [Errno 36] File name too long: 
'long-namelong-namelong-namelong-namelong-namelong-name...

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[issue16815] Is all OK!!

2012-12-29 Thread Bernie Keimel

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[issue16815] Is all OK!!

2012-12-29 Thread Hynek Schlawack

New submission from Hynek Schlawack:

Glad to hear.

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[issue16813] use paths relative to CPython root in documentation building instructions

2012-12-29 Thread Georg Brandl

Georg Brandl added the comment:

Fine with me.

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[issue16814] use --directory option of make in describing how to build the docs

2012-12-29 Thread Georg Brandl

Georg Brandl added the comment:

Agree with David.

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