Re: ACM SIGAPL / APL2007 Conference / Montreal / one week away
On Oct 21, 10:35 am, "Wade Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Gosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > On Oct 20, 10:46 pm, rbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Oct 15, 5:22 am, Mike Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > Conference page > >> > // with links to program details // > >> > (updated Friday 10/12) > > >> >http://www.sigapl.org/apl2007.html... > > >> At APL2007, I'll be announcing the release of the APEX APL compiler, > >> version 0.0.0, under GPL Version 2. > >> If you can't wait until then, you can download it for Dyalog Linux > >> atwww.snakeisland.com. > > >> Bob > > > Congratulations on your compiler. > > > I looked through your pages and came across this > > > "[This article originally appeared in the ACM SIGAPL Quote Quad, vol. > > 21, no.1, September 1990.] > > > The APL character set has contributed, more than any other facet of > > the language, to its lack of acceptance in the computing community at > > large. The character set is a metaproblem -- not a problem in and of > > itself, but a creator of other recurring problems of hardware, > > software, ergonomics, and psychology. The adoption of new, ASCII-base > > dialects of APL, such as J, is suggested as one solution to the > > character set problem. " > > > This is also the reason for why I will not be downloading your new > > compiler until there will be a J version of it, something I hope will > > be coming soon. > > > I can not use the APL character set at all. > > It is too mixed up with my national characters. > > witch ones? > -- > wade ward > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "Der Katze tritt die Treppe hoch; Der Kater tritt sie krumm.% > % De Teufel geit um; er bringt de menschen allet dumm." > schau, schau 4 10$a.i.'áðéíóúýþæöÁÐÉÍÓÚÝÞÆÖ' 195 161 195 176 195 169 195 173 195 179 195 186 195 189 195 190 195 166 195 182 195 129 195 144 195 137 195 141 195 147 195 154 195 157 195 158 195 134 195 150 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ACM SIGAPL / APL2007 Conference / Montreal / one week away
On Oct 20, 10:46 pm, rbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 15, 5:22 am, Mike Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Conference page > > // with links to program details // > > (updated Friday 10/12) > > >http://www.sigapl.org/apl2007.html... > > At APL2007, I'll be announcing the release of the APEX APL compiler, > version 0.0.0, under GPL Version 2. > If you can't wait until then, you can download it for Dyalog Linux > atwww.snakeisland.com. > > Bob Congratulations on your compiler. I looked through your pages and came across this "[This article originally appeared in the ACM SIGAPL Quote Quad, vol. 21, no.1, September 1990.] The APL character set has contributed, more than any other facet of the language, to its lack of acceptance in the computing community at large. The character set is a metaproblem -- not a problem in and of itself, but a creator of other recurring problems of hardware, software, ergonomics, and psychology. The adoption of new, ASCII-base dialects of APL, such as J, is suggested as one solution to the character set problem. " This is also the reason for why I will not be downloading your new compiler until there will be a J version of it, something I hope will be coming soon. I can not use the APL character set at all. It is too mixed up with my national characters. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Calling J from Python
On Feb 8, 12:00 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I may have mistook the source code licence for the use licence.. I > will look into a little further to see what it can do.. Looks like > you are not allowed to redistribute k for profit. Some day I will > look up letters a random in the search engine to see what I come up > with. > > On Feb 6, 2:05 am, "Gosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 6, 3:04 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Feb 5, 8:48 am, "Gosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It is quite easy to call J from Python > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming/browse_thread/thread/5e8... > > > > There are a couple of issue that should be adressed. Am I going to > > > jail if I write a program and then redistribute all the files required > > > to run the program I write?? > > > J is free for anyone to download and use. > > > If someone is interested in putting you in jail it will not because > > you distribute J or redistribute the J utilities. > > > > The second is how do I use the j stuff > > > without learning all that much about j. > > > Just like Python then how much time you spend is uo to you. > > > If you want to be good at it you may have to spend some time. > > > You may also be just a casual user and dip into it now and again. > > > There are lots of Demos, Labs and Help files besides all the > > utilities. > > > You can freely use the utilities and examples to create your own > > application. > > > You can write code in conventional style and not spend any time on the > > advanced functionality. > > > > I am just intrested in > > > stealing graphics libraries and using what I have already written in > > > python.. > > > There are a number of graphics examples, utilities and demos you can > > use in J and combine it with Python. > > > The new grid classes in J are amazingly useful too. > > > I am just starting to learn Python and I find it interesting to > > combine it with J. > > I know a few people who are doing so successfully. > > > There are always some nicetise in any language that can be beneficial. > > Combining them enhances both. > > >http://groups.google.com/group/j-programminghttp://jsoftware.com/ You can get older versions of the source code too for free. The utility sources are also free. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Calling J from Python
On Feb 7, 3:46 pm, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gosi wrote: > > I like to use J for many things and I think that combining Python and > > J is a hell of a good mixture. > > I was able to follow this sentence up to and including the word "hell"... :-) > > Ciao, > Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch That is a start. "Hell" is also what most example start with as in "Hello something" Hell in northern countries is very cold. Hell in middle east is very hot. I do not know which is your Hell hot or cold. Hell o veröld -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Calling J from Python
On Feb 6, 9:08 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gosi: > > > There are a number of graphics examples, utilities and demos you can > > use in J and combine it with Python. > > Some of those graphic examples are very nice, I have seen a big site > filled with complex fractals, chaotic attractors, etc. > Python Zen seems somewhat opposed to part of the J spirit, that's why > it's not easy to advertise J in this newsgroup. Python is open source, > and it values readability, it belives that it's better to write more > and be more readable/debuggable, than to be able to express many > things with few symbols. APL was an interesting language, powerful > too, and J looks more keyboard-friendly and it's probably better for > other things too. K seems even less readable than J to me. Probably J > has to be compared more to scipy than to Python itself, because they > share some purposes, the vector/matrix processing. If you need to do > lot of array processing the syntax of scipy (with the help of > MatPlotLib too, that's partially copied from MatLab) isn't (may be > not) high-level enough, the system isn't able to simplify things by > itself, etc. So in that situation a more functional language may be > fitter (maybe even F#, but probably there are better languages around > for that purpose, some modern ones coming from ML family). > > Bye, > bearophile Ken Iverson created APL and it ran first time on a computer 1966. Ken Iverson then corrected several things and made it so different that he could no longer use the name and the results was J around 1990. J can be very short and effective. I like to use J for many things and I think that combining Python and J is a hell of a good mixture. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Calling J from Python
On Feb 6, 3:04 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 5, 8:48 am, "Gosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is quite easy to call J from Python > > >http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming/browse_thread/thread/5e8... > > There are a couple of issue that should be adressed. Am I going to > jail if I write a program and then redistribute all the files required > to run the program I write?? J is free for anyone to download and use. If someone is interested in putting you in jail it will not because you distribute J or redistribute the J utilities. > The second is how do I use the j stuff > without learning all that much about j. Just like Python then how much time you spend is uo to you. If you want to be good at it you may have to spend some time. You may also be just a casual user and dip into it now and again. There are lots of Demos, Labs and Help files besides all the utilities. You can freely use the utilities and examples to create your own application. You can write code in conventional style and not spend any time on the advanced functionality. > I am just intrested in > stealing graphics libraries and using what I have already written in > python.. There are a number of graphics examples, utilities and demos you can use in J and combine it with Python. The new grid classes in J are amazingly useful too. I am just starting to learn Python and I find it interesting to combine it with J. I know a few people who are doing so successfully. There are always some nicetise in any language that can be beneficial. Combining them enhances both. http://groups.google.com/group/j-programming http://jsoftware.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Calling J from Python
On Feb 5, 2:59 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gosi wrote: > > It is quite easy to call J from Python > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming/browse_thread/thread/5e8... > > What is J, and why should we care? > > Diez J is in many ways similar to Python. J has very many advanced operations. http://www.jsoftware.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Calling J from Python
It is quite easy to call J from Python http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming/browse_thread/thread/5e84b75667f5f64e -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
