Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Wrong. The only obligation Microsoft has is to their shareholders. That obligation has nothing to do with computing - it's to make a profit. It's MS's habit of doing things in pursuit of profit that, while short of force, are borderline fraud, and are illegal, immoral, unethical, bad for their business partners, bad for their customers, bad for the industry and bad for society that causes people to characterize them as evil. Microsoft still comes in at number 2 - on: http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Business/Allegedly_Unethical_Firms/ Few companies are more despised than Microsoft. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside of Microsoft's software? There was a pretty good one that went something like Click this link to download latest security patch! a href=http://www.mxx.com.Microsoft Security Center/a where mxx is microsoft with the letter i replaced by some exotic Unicode character that looks exactly like an ascii i in normal screen fonts. The attacker had of course registered that domain and put evil stuff there. I didn't think unicode domain names existed. It seems that they are in the pipeline: ``After much debate and many competing proposals, a system called Internationalizing Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) was adopted as the chosen standard, and is currently, as of 2005, in the process of being rolled out.'' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_names It looks like the security issues are probably going to be dealt with via technical fixes: ``On February 17, 2005, Mozilla developers announced that they would ship their next versions of their software with IDN support still enabled, but showing the punycode URLs instead, thus thwarting any attacks while still allowing people to access websites on an IDN domain. This is a change from the earlier plans to disable IDN entirely for the time being.'' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_names Anyway, I'm inclined to suggest this is a DNS problem. It would apply to any format that allowed rendering of domain names using the unicode character set they are intended to be displayed using. Even without unicode, the homograph attack is still viable, due to things like the l/I issue in many fonts - as pointed out on: http://www.centr.org/docs/2005/02/homographs.html -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Ross Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy, I would just _love_ to see the response from the industry when you tell them they should dump their whole mail infrastructure, and switch over to a whole new system (new protocols, new security holes, new problems start to finish). [...] That's essentially what the IM folk did. It seems quite possible that future email systems will evolve out of existing IM ones. Essentially, IM can do pretty-much everything email can these days, but the reverse is not true at all. IM also seems more evolvable than email is managing to be. About all email has going for it these days is an open format and a large existing user base. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
Gordon Burditt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Before worrying about the possible bugs in the implementations, worry about security issues present in the *DESIGN*. Email ought to be usable to carry out a conversation *SAFELY* with some person out to get you. Thus features like this are dangerous (in the *design*, not because they *might* hide a buffer-overflow exploit): - Hyperlinks to anything *outside* the email in which the link resides (web bugs). Acceptable risk, IMO. - Any ability to automatically generate hits on sender-specified servers when the email is read. I hadn't though of that one. As well as use in DDOS attacks, that can help let spammers know if they have reached a human :-| Even a link in a plain text email can be used (though with reduced effectiveness) in such a context :-( -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Tim Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: [Microsoft] Part of their behavior really escape me. The whole thing about browser wars confuses me. Web browsers represent a zero billion dollar a year market. Why would you risk anything to own it? Power. Minshare. Controlling the planet's gateway to the internet. That sort of thing. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: MS has held BACK computer evolution by tying their OS so heavily to the Pentium architecture. The chip architecture has nowhere near enough registers. MS refused to believe the Internet was more than a passing fad. They are still frantically patching security holes in their OS over a decade later. Another big problem appears to be sitting on their customers and milking them - rather than working on improving things. There has been some progress with their OS - but it seems to be going very slowly. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.lang.java.programmer Peter T. Breuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Uh - when microsoft produced dos 1.0, or whatever it was, I was sitting at my Sun 360 workstation (with 4M of RAM, later upgraded to 8M), running SunOS 3.8 or thereabouts. And a mean game of tetris it played too. Chess wasn't worth the humiliation at level 5. I believe every researcher in britain got one as a matter of course, but they only replaced the perq machines that everyone had had to put up with before then. The vaxen running hpux or so were plentiful too, and had fine monitors, tending more to the PC shape. We'd made our own word processor machines and spreadsheet automatons before that. It didn't take that many components, just a good engineer and a room full of lackeys with soddering irons. The BBC were selling kits too (what were they? Ataris?), not that I ever fell for that. Acorn computers. Manufacturers of the best computer I ever owned. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.lang.java.programmer Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: I'm aware of talk that Dell is selling Linux PCs at Walmart for less than the same hardware plus Windows. Talk is cheap -- I'm not aware of anyone who has actually seen these Linux PCs. I'd love to know either way. See: ``Dell's Open PC Costs More Than Windows Box'' - http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/08/034211tid=190tid=137 -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: The technial problems have been solved for over a decade. NeXT shipped systems that used text/richtext, which has none of the problems that HTML has. The problems are *social* - you've got to arrange for people to use mail/news readers that understand a rich text format that isn't a vector for viruses. It's not HTML that has problems, it's Microsoft's crappy software. HTML is a problem on *other* peoples crappy software as well. It wasn't designed to carry code content, but has been hacked up to do that. Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside of Microsoft's software? I can think of one: the JPEG virus. However, that affected practically any program that could render JPEGs - not just HTML. Writing virus-free HTML renderers is not hard - but of course Microsoft can still screw it up. Sure - just disable all the features that make people want to use HTML instead of something else. Not so: you disable Java, Javascript and plugins. You leave the ability to format, colour and hint documents. This is not /that/ difficult. Don't blame HTML for viruses - *every* document format Microsoft has anything to do with becomes a vector for viruses. Which would mean that every open format that MS has had anything to do with comes a vector for viruses. Somehow, I'm not buying it. I exaggerate only slightly. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read my essay. http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html I talk around those problems. Virus writers will love the ability to change peoples address books remotely. Since - in Roedy's essay - messages are digitally signed, authority to advise about any email address updates would presumably be confined to those people with access to the sender's private key. It's not confined to just people - software can do this as well. In particular, you should expect that the users mail agent will have to have access to the key, so it can automatically send out the change of address notice when the user changes their address (it actually needs it to send any mail). Viruses regularly make users mail agents do thing. Change my address becomes much more entertaining when that triggers sending out change of addresses notices to everyone in the address book. More likely, though, there'll be an API for getting the key so that users can change mail agents without invalidating the public key that everyone they correspond with has for them, and the virus will just use that API. Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the compromised machine's address book today. Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid and pointless. If you've compromised someone's machine there are typically lots more rewarding things to do with it than spoof change-of-address notices. Top of the cracker's list seems to be: * Attack organisations; * Relay spam; * Attempt to compromise other machines; -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:19:29 +, Roedy Green wrote: Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WHat the hell has that got to do with HTML email? Sending photos is an example of what attachments are for. Normally you send photos to grandma with captions under each photo. No, normally YOU send photos to grandma with captions under each photo. My grandma doesn't put captions in her photo album, and she doesn't need captions on her photos in email. That is far more convenient for the technopeasant receiver than dealing with multiple attachments. Only if your photos are so obscure and confusing that they need captions. Here's Johnny with the dog. Here is Johnny with the dog again. This one is Johnny on his own. Here is the dog. Oh look, it is Johnny with the dog again -- that's the dog on the left, in case it isn't clear. Just for a change, this is Johnny wearing a hat. It is blue with a feather in it, in case you couldn't tell from, oh I don't know, looking at the actual picture. What have you got against captions? Giving photos captions is a *very* common practice. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: The technial problems have been solved for over a decade. NeXT shipped systems that used text/richtext, which has none of the problems that HTML has. The problems are *social* - you've got to arrange for people to use mail/news readers that understand a rich text format that isn't a vector for viruses. It's not HTML that has problems, it's Microsoft's crappy software. Writing virus-free HTML renderers is not hard - but of course Microsoft can still screw it up. Don't blame HTML for viruses - *every* document format Microsoft has anything to do with becomes a vector for viruses. They *even* managed to get virulent spreadsheets and word processor documents! -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read my essay. http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html I talk around those problems. Actually, you present a design that forces a solution that makes them do what you want down their throats, never mind what they want, or what they've been doing. It shows an amazing ignorance about the internet and how people behave on it. Like most antispam proposals, it won't actually stop spam, just force spammers to concentrate on different channels. You seem to have randomly broken quoting for people who download mail and read it offline, and for any medium that's unreliable or doesn't reliably deliver messages in order - which includes mail and news. Virus writers will love the ability to change peoples address books remotely. Since - in Roedy's essay - messages are digitally signed, authority to advise about any email address updates would presumably be confined to those people with access to the sender's private key. Even /without/ any form of authentication, a standard change-of-address message - which is understood by mail readers - is a fine and sensible idea. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Read my essay. http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html FYI, this bit: ``Like ICQ, someone cannot send you mail without your prior permission. They can't send you mail because they don't have your public key to encrypt the mail.'' ...is pretty confusing - because public key is a term with a technical meaning in cryptography - and a public key really *is* public. If you want to allow email only from a list of senders, then you use a simple white list. Cryptography is not needed or desirable if this is the intended goal. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy Green wrote: Just how long do you want to stall evolution? Do you imagine people 200 years from now will be still be using pure ASCII text unable to find a solution to JavaScript viruses (turn off JS), pop-up( disable popups) etc.? People in their sky-cars turning off JavaScript in their browsers: what a thought! Javascript can be turned off in *mail readers* - by their manufacturers. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:56:50 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Show us *examples*! Do you create a style sheet for every site you visit that overrides there classes? What? Why don't you download a copy of Opera, see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/opera.html What makes you think I don't have a copy of Opera? Just so happens I've got a registred copy on my newest computer. Then try out the feature. Click View | style | user My copy of Opera doesn't have that menu entry. I suspect you're making platform-specific suggestions. Trying it on a different platform, it looks like it does what I said earlier: user mode simply disables the authors style sheets. None of the merging you suggested was going on is actually happening. The user mode uses style sheets you specify. There's a whole bunch of built-in ones - and you can cascade them: ``User style sheets ``There is also the inclusion of 12 packaged user style sheets and an easy menu application interface (View Style). These sheets can be cascaded together, with or without the page's styles. They are mostly for accessibility, accessible web design and plain coolness: Emulate text browser, Nostalgia, Accessibility Layout, Show images and links only, High contrast, Hide non-linking images, Disable tables and Use default forms design. There are also three style sheets that are worth mentioning specially: Hide certain-sized elements, Debug with outline, and Show structural elements. Hide certain-sized elements is basically that CSS-powered inline ad-killer that Eric A. Meyer came up with a few years ago. Debug with outline uses the newly added support for the outline property to display key elements. Finally, Show structural elements, which with the acrobatic use of generated content, attribute selectors and counters, shows the HTML tags inline, as well as the meta and link data, and a report on the number of font tags and nested tables. Now this is cool!'' - http://www.evolt.org/article/Opera_7_Released/1/54851/ -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:41:38 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've got a browser with a better solution, what's the browser, and what's the solution? Try Opera. You can merge the two. Merge the two CSS files? Most browsers do that - that's why they call them cascading style sheets. Got a sample style sheet that you use that prevernts authors from overriding things? Custom style sheets are usually applied after those in the document - when they are both being applied. That way, the custom style sheet has the final word. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
Alan Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green I try to explain Java each day both on my website on the plaintext only newsgroups. It is so much easier to get my point across in HTML. Program listings are much more readable on my website. My copy of javac seems to prefer plain text, and so do I ;-) Plain text is a badly impoverished medium for explaining things in. For one thing, code on my web site tends to get syntax highlighted. There's no way I could do that in plain text. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python or PHP?
Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Tim Tyler wrote: Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: check this: http://wiki.w4py.org/pythonvsphp.html Good - but it hardly mentions the issue of security - which seems like a bit of a problem for PHP at the moment. I don't think so. Bad programmers are able to write bad programs in any language. Maybe there are more bad php programmers than python programmers and the 70% of the dynamic world wide web is copied from user comments in the php.net/manual. However one of the worst cases is the sql injection attack. And sql injections must be handled neither by php nor by python but by the programmer. SQL injection only gives you access to the database and its contents. A bigger problem in practice for PHP at the moment is the way fopen can allow access to the entire filing system. That does things such as allowing trivial programming mistakes to expose the unix password file to attackers - exposing not just the particular site's database - but all users on the maching (on machines not using shadow passwords) with passwords subject to dictionary and brute force attacks. The current defense involves switching off fopen - but unfortunately, that rather cripples many PHP programs. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python or PHP?
Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: check this: http://wiki.w4py.org/pythonvsphp.html Good - but it hardly mentions the issue of security - which seems like a bit of a problem for PHP at the moment. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python licence again
fuzzylollipop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: try spelling license correctly next time and heading the google suggestions that probably looked like didn't you mean : Python License How do you spell license correctly? -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Are circular dependencies possible in Python?
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Tyler wrote: Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script when it can't immediately find what function I'm referring to. They don't have to be declared but to be *defined* in Python before you can call them. [...] That makes three of you who have called me on my use of declare. AFAICT, I was using the standard dictionary definition of this word: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=declare The term declare doesn't have the same meaning as the term predeclare. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Are circular dependencies possible in Python?
Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script when it can't immediately find what function I'm referring to. C lets you predeclare functions to allow for the existence of functions with circular dependencies. Does Python allow you to do something similar? If not how do you create functions with circular dependencies in Python - where function A could call function B; and function B could call function A - or is that not possible? -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Are circular dependencies possible in Python?
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Like C, Python seems to insist I declare functions before calling them - rather than, say, scanning to the end of the current script when it can't immediately find what function I'm referring to. C lets you predeclare functions to allow for the existence of functions with circular dependencies. Does Python allow you to do something similar? If not how do you create functions with circular dependencies in Python - where function A could call function B; and function B could call function A - or is that not possible? Thanks guys - that's made how Python works in this area abundantly clear. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Grouping code by indentation - feature or ******?
I, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation? Some relevant resources: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PythonWhiteSpaceDiscussion http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?IndentationEqualsGrouping http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SyntacticallySignificantWhitespaceConsideredHarmful The first page talks quite a bit about distinguishing between tabs and spaces. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good use for Jython
Mike Wimpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Other than being used to wrap Java classes, what other real use is there for Jython being that Python has many other GUI toolkits available? Also, these toolkits like Tkinter are so much better for client usage (and faster) than Swing, so what would be the advantage for using Jython? or Is Jython really just so that Java developers can write Java code faster? Jython allows Python programmers to access to the large volume of existing Java code and libraries - and provides access to a ubiquitous and widely distributed runtime environment. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Grouping code by indentation - feature or ******?
Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: I, Tim Tyler wrote: What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation? This is a Python newsgroup. Assume that we all have been brainwashed. ;-) I had a good look for comp.lang.python.advocacy before posting my question - and coated my shield with a fresh dose of flame repellant. While the question does have a trollish character - and I can easily imagine I'm not the first to ask it and that participants may be sick of hearing about the issue - I was sincere in wanting to know the answer. Fortunately, I do seem to have elicited some intelligent responses - thanks very much to everyone who answered. FWIW, my initial impression was yuck. After considering the issue, I could see quite a few advantages. At the moment, while rather torn on the whole issue, I seem to be heading back in the direction of my first impressions. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Grouping code by indentation - feature or ******?
Javier Bezos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted: Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi? en el mensaje What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation? Is it good - perhaps because it saves space and eliminates keypresses? [...] I particularly hate it, but Python has lots of good things which compesate that (another annoying point of Python are slices -- mine are always off by 1). I always write explicitly ends as #end, so that I can reorganice the code easily if necessary. Maybe in the future, when Ruby matures, I could change my mind, but currently Python is still my favourite scripting language (as formerly was Tcl). My current impression is that Python is about the best dynamic language. It helps that it's one of the most popular such languages. One of my concerns about it is that it's too big and complex. I very much favour the smalltalk-inspired idea of keeping the actual language as small as is reasonably possible. I wonder if there are any promising new kids on the dynamic scripting-language block that I haven't heard about yet - i.e. things not on: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Scripting/Object-Oriented/ http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Object-Oriented/Prototype-based/ -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Grouping code by indentation - feature or ******?
What do you guys think about Python's grouping of code via indentation? Is it good - perhaps because it saves space and eliminates keypresses? Or is it bad - perhaps because it makes program flow dependent on invisible, and unpronouncable characters - and results in more manual alignment issues by preventing code formatters from managing indentation? Python is certainly pretty unorthodox in this area. How would you have dealt with the issue of how to group statements? -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
