IDE for python similar to visual basic

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
i have been searching for am IDE for python that is similar to Visual
Basic but had no luck.shall you help me please?
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What python can NOT do?

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
i know that an interpreted language like python can't be used to make
an operating system or system drivers.

what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the
language?
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Re: IDE for python similar to visual basic

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
On Aug 29, 1:22 am, Craig fasteliteprogram...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Try wingware i have it and i like it.

 --- On Fri, 8/28/09, qwe rty hkh00...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: qwe rty hkh00...@gmail.com
  Subject: IDE for python similar to visual basic
  To: python-l...@python.org
  Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:19 PM
  i have been searching for am IDE for
  python that is similar to Visual
  Basic but had no luck.shall you help me please?
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OMG, it has no visual designer !!
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Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
On Aug 29, 3:14 am, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
  what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the
  language?

  I understand there's a little trouble getting Python to prove
  that P=NP  You'll also find that it only comes close to solving
  the unrestricted three-body problem and the Traveling Salesman
  problem is still limited to fallible heuristics and searching the
  entire solution set in better than O(2**n) time.

 I forgot about solving the Spam problem entirely.  And answering
 poorly worded/thought-out questions on the internet...

 I've also been sorely disappointed by Python's ability to make a
 good chocolate cream silk pie.

 -tkc

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Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty

  if you don't know the answer please don't reply

 I'm not sure you understand -- Being a Turing complete language,
 anything you can do in any other language, you can do in Python.
   As r observed, it might not be a pleasant experience (though
 there are a lot of things I'd rather do in Python than in C or
 Assembly) but certainly doable.

 So clearly the issue resides in your nonsensical question.  You
 asked for things you can't do with Python so I listed some.  The
 things you can't do in Python are things you can't do in any
 other language either.  To turn your snark on end, If you can't
 post a sensible question, please don't post in the first place.

 But this is usenet, and Python can't solve the problem of
 nonsensical questions posted on usenet. :-/

 -tkc

i am free to post , you are free to ignore

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Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
On Aug 29, 4:17 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:37:46 -0700, qwe rty wrote:
  i know that an interpreted language like python

 Languages are neither interpreted nor compiled. *Implementations* are
 interpreted or compiled.

 Perl has only one implementation, which is interpreted (as far as I
 know); Java has a number of implementations, some of which compile to
 byte-code, some compile to machine-code. There are C interpreters as well
 as C compilers. And languages like Forth have an unusual programming
 model which doesn't easily match the conventional interpreted/compiled
 distinction.

 Python has a number of implementations, all of which are compiled to byte-
 code, like early Java. None are purely interpreted; none are compiled to
 machine-code, although there are add-ons to CPython which will compile
 most Python code to machine-code. Some day, Python may include
 implementations which compile directly to machine-code.

  can't be used to make an operating system or system drivers.

 With existing Python implementations, it would be difficult to write an
 OS, because the implementations assume there is already an operating
 system available to handle things like memory and disk IO. So before you
 could write an OS in Python, you would need to write a new Python
 implementation. However, you could easily write a virtual OS in Python
 which sat on top of the regular OS.

 Device drivers would be less difficult, but performance may be slow
 compared to drivers written in (say) C.

 Boot loaders are another type of software which would be impractical to
 write in existing Python implementations.

  what else can NOT be done in python? what are the limitations of the
  language?

 As a language, Python has no theoretical limits -- it is Turing Complete,
 which means anything you can do in C, Java, Lisp, or any other Turing
 Complete language, you could do in Python -- with sufficient effort, and
 provided you don't care about efficiency.

 In practice, though, we *do* care about efficiency, and about the effort
 required to write the program in the first case. In practical terms,
 Python the language makes most things easy to write but slower to run, so
 there are very few applications which couldn't be written in Python.

 A few things are more difficult than others. One of the hardest things to
 do is to sandbox some arbitrary Python code from an untrusted source
 and execute it in a restricted environment.

 In practical terms, Python will let you write nearly any sort of program
 you want, provided absolute performance isn't your provided. (To put it
 another way, Python code is rarely the fastest, but it is usually fast
 enough.) If performance is too slow, Python is an excellent glue
 language, letting you write the bulk of your program in Python for ease,
 the performance-critical parts in C for speed.

 Some practical restrictions... if you are writing a web app, some hosting
 providers don't provide access to Python on their webserver, so you're
 limited to using whatever languages they provide, or finding another
 provider.

 All existing Python implementations require a minimum amount of memory to
 operate. This is relatively high, so you probably couldn't use Python on
 a device where you only had (say) 64K of memory. There's no Python
 implementation for your ancient Mac Plus or Commodore 64, and there
 probably never will be. Python the language is based on an execution
 model with relatively high overhead, so even if you wrote an
 implementation for such ancient machines, you probably couldn't do much
 with it.

 Existing Python implementations don't give you direct access to hardware,
 and bit-manipulation has a lot of overhead in Python. Numerical
 calculations (e.g. scientific array calculations) also suffer from
 overhead, which is barely noticeable if you're doing a few thousand
 calculations, but if you're doing a few tens of millions may be a little
 slow. For these, you should use Python as an interface to numeric
 libraries written in C, like Scipy and Numpy.

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thank you very much ,THIS is the sort of answer i wanted
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Re: What python can NOT do?

2009-08-28 Thread qwe rty
On Aug 29, 5:11 am, Nobody nob...@nowhere.com wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:26:06 -0700, qwe rty wrote:
  if you don't know the answer please don't reply

 If you don't understand the question, don't post it in the first place.

don't be so angry ,not good for your health
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