tuples vs lists
I get what the difference is between a tuple and a list, but why would I ever care about the tuple's immuutability? Also, do you say 'too-ple' or 'chu-ple' - if you get my drift. (tomato or tomato kind of thing) TIA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
The best way to do web apps with Python?
What is the best way to web developemnt with Python? Is there anything close to PHP style in-page script placement that can create and use other Python objects? I am not really interested in Zope (I believe that is more a CMS than anything else?) I am also looking for something a little more structured than a series of CGI Scripts. While on the topic - what is the expectataion of Python for this kind of stuff? Would one use Python for certain other things but turn to PHP for web apps - or would one use their Python skills in place of PHP? TIA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tuples vs lists
Cheers - thanks for the feedback guys - pretty much answers the question for me. 'Two-Pull' it is then, thanks. Steve Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] worzel wrote: I get what the difference is between a tuple and a list, but why would I ever care about the tuple's immuutability? Mainly for security and speed. Many library functions return info by returning a reference to an internally held tuple, and could be damaged / compromised / corrupted if that internal data was modified by malicious code. If tuples were mutable (lists) then it would be necessary to return a copy instead. Also, do you say 'too-ple' or 'chu-ple' - if you get my drift. (tomato or tomato kind of thing) Try 'Two-pull'. Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: tuples vs lists
yes, tyoopl - thats what I meant by 'choo-ple' (not v good at the phonetics) As a scouse git (though living in Australia), I would definitely say 'tyoopl'. Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] worzel wrote: Cheers - thanks for the feedback guys - pretty much answers the question for me. 'Two-Pull' it is then, thanks. Well, it might be Two-Pull in American, but in English it's tyoopl -- NOT choopl (blearch!). I've also heard people say tuppl. So, basically, say whatever you want. Language is about communication :-) you-say-tomato-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ Holden Web LLC +1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The best way to do web apps with Python?
Holy Moly - there's quite a few choices out there! I like the look of Karrigel for my immediate needs. Looking forward to the day there is a more 'j2ee' like standard in place for Python - looks like this is in the works. Thanks for all the feedback guys. worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the best way to web developemnt with Python? Is there anything close to PHP style in-page script placement that can create and use other Python objects? I am not really interested in Zope (I believe that is more a CMS than anything else?) I am also looking for something a little more structured than a series of CGI Scripts. While on the topic - what is the expectataion of Python for this kind of stuff? Would one use Python for certain other things but turn to PHP for web apps - or would one use their Python skills in place of PHP? TIA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
is python more popular than coldfusion?
is python more popular than coldfusion? I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?
How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide? Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is python more popular than coldfusion? I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more popular than Python, but Python is definitely more popular _now_. This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?
Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that Python is a more prominent and important technology? How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people belive coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do Python folk generally feel this way about it? Thanks for your input on this by the way. Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide? I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages. The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I kinda use them. The thing about introducing a new language to a bunch of folks used to their favorite language is that they wouldn't care much for a language it isn't popular, or if it isn't growing in popularity. Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on TIOBE ;). Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is python more popular than coldfusion? I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more popular than Python, but Python is definitely more popular _now_. This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?
thanks, thats pretty much what I expected to hear. Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:30:40 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that Python is a more prominent and important technology? No doubt in my mind at least. How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people belive coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do Python folk generally feel this way about it? I have no much idea about Coldfusion, but as far as its *use* is concerned, it definitely isn't much. Thanks for your input on this by the way. Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide? I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages. The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I kinda use them. The thing about introducing a new language to a bunch of folks used to their favorite language is that they wouldn't care much for a language it isn't popular, or if it isn't growing in popularity. Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on TIOBE ;). Premshree Pillai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is python more popular than coldfusion? I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more popular than Python, but Python is definitely more popular _now_. This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?
Thanks for all the feedback guys. It seems CF is not really a big money earner or even recognised as a serious language to many folk. by the way, does anybody want to buy any coldfusion books :) (I just bought O'Reileys 'Learning Python' - its extremely readable and very thorough) "worzel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... is python more popular than coldfusion? I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?
re: YOU'LL SEE IT'S ADDICTIVE Yes, I know! I am hooked already! Its such a breeze after doing so much Java programming. I just download Jython - the possibilities with this seem incredible. Unlike you, I learned Coldfusion after learning Java first (about 1996). For the sake of a couple of jobs I got on and then some training work as a Macromedia Instructor, it was okay for a while. But, the work dried up, and then the training became in very low demand, so I find myself looking for a new 'second language' - Python is it! (Its in danger of becoming my 'first language' as I am enjoying it so much!) Luis M. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] by the way, does anybody want to buy any coldfusion books :) I have Sam's Teach Yourself Coldfusion by Charles Mohnike, which I bought in 2001. By this time I used to think that I was learning rocket science the easy way, and thinking about learning php or asp was really scary... these codes looked very complex for my uninitiated eyes. However, It was good for grasping the logic of interacting with a database through sql and making my website dynamic. Soon I realized that finding a cheap CF hosting wasn't easy at all, and I started to read about php. Php is also for web development, but it gave me the basic knowledge to understand programming. However, I wanted to learn a more general purpose language and I don't remember how, I landed in pythonland. Let me tell you that I could learn python basics in just a few hours. Once I got the interpreter running, I couldn't stop! Just get one of the many tutorial available on the web and start playing. YOU'LL SEE IT'S ADDICTIVE. If you want to start from zero, I suggest Josh Cogliati's beginner tutorial. Another good introduction is A Byte of Python (google this), or any of the ones quoted in Python's web site. Learning Python is a good book too (especially the second edition). Enjoy! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
