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Gernot Hassenpflug wrote: Crap, what the hell are *you* doing here, Arved. This is so frightening! LOL Gernot (shocked to find people have other interests, hehe) Thanks for cross posting this to five different newsgroups. Your garbage is not wanted here, here being clj.programmer. Learn to use you newsreader and check where you posts are going before you send them. Followup's sent to alt.flame. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee wrote: over the past 15 years, every few months i got emails from authors for permission request of materials on my website. today, while searching for my name on google, i found a result in books.google.com . Out of curiosity, i searched my name in books.google.com, and here's a hilarious result: Machine Learning and Data Mining in Pattern Recognition: 5th International Conference, MLDM 2007, Leipzig, Germany, July 18-20, 2007, Proceedings (Lecture ... / Lecture Notes in Artificial Intelligence) (Paperback) by Petra Perner (Editor) http://books.google.com/books?id=CE1QzecoVf4Cpg=PA401dq=xah+lee#PPA401,M1 Hilarious! (^o^) He says: “... Barely considering du, he is easily to be neglected”. What the hell does that mean!!? :) Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ I think it means that she considers your datapoint to be an outlier, and that the actual number of posts to CLPM was not really a consideration in reaching that conclusion. AHS -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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over the past 15 years, every few months i got emails from authors for permission request of materials on my website. today, while searching for my name on google, i found a result in books.google.com . Out of curiosity, i searched my name in books.google.com, and here's a hilarious result: Machine Learning and Data Mining in Pattern Recognition: 5th International Conference, MLDM 2007, Leipzig, Germany, July 18-20, 2007, Proceedings (Lecture ... / Lecture Notes in Artificial Intelligence) (Paperback) by Petra Perner (Editor) http://books.google.com/books?id=CE1QzecoVf4Cpg=PA401dq=xah+lee#PPA401,M1 Hilarious! (^o^) He says: “... Barely considering du, he is easily to be neglected”. What the hell does that mean!!? :) Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Bruce C. Miller bm3...@gmail.com writes: On Mar 7, 6:52 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? Though I doubt this will do any good, I'll offer some advice that hasn't been mentioned here and solved a lot of the problems I've had early in life with resistance to overly-emotional negative reactions to my opinions. Say a person spends a great deal of time and energy researching some topic and, based upon the evidence uncovered, comes to a conclusion about it that is contrary to the established position within a community, like, that RMS is a crackpot, as a simple example, which is something I happen to agree with but that won't win many friends in #emacs. Now, you could go in #emacs and declare your discovery of this important fact (and, if true, it is important, since RMS is influential), but what do you suppose will happen? People will think about it a lot and decide that our society could greatly benefit from increasing the number of crackpots. The non-crackpots come and go without leaving much of a trace. However, being a crackpot is not sufficient in itself (this probably being more of a side effect rather than the main gist), so the message might not actually be helpful. So what is there to gain? -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mar 7, 6:52 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? Though I doubt this will do any good, I'll offer some advice that hasn't been mentioned here and solved a lot of the problems I've had early in life with resistance to overly-emotional negative reactions to my opinions. Say a person spends a great deal of time and energy researching some topic and, based upon the evidence uncovered, comes to a conclusion about it that is contrary to the established position within a community, like, that RMS is a crackpot, as a simple example, which is something I happen to agree with but that won't win many friends in #emacs. Now, you could go in #emacs and declare your discovery of this important fact (and, if true, it is important, since RMS is influential), but what do you suppose will happen? Will your message's recipients, upon hearing this news, examine your evidence, spend a few days questioning their own beliefs, then thank you for aligning their thoughts more closely with reality? It's possible, but chances are you'll just be greeted with a bunch of knee-jerk defensive reactions. So, let me offer to you a notion that maybe you haven't considered: who cares what other people think? Sure, it's a noble cause to spread your ideas or at least get them out there in the public discourse, even if they're wrong, but have some realistic expectations as to your opinion's impact. I happen to think that the common wisdom about most things is typically anything but wise, and often completely incorrect, but I don't view it as my duty on Earth to convince the world that MS bashing, socialism, religion, etc are stupid. If asked, I'll offer my opinion and reasoning for it, but if the other person remains unconvinced, it's his loss. All this said, as someone that hangs out in some of the IRC channels you've been banned from, and having read the logs that resulted in your banning, it's pretty obvious you've got other problems on top of this. As often cited, your propensity for monologuing, for one. IRC, Usenet, and such are conversational mediums, while you fail to make the distinction between them and writing on your website. If you just want to make declarations and honestly have nothing to learn from others, then these are the wrong outlets for you. Your awkward grasp of the English language doesn't help either. If you want to communicate ideas, it can only help to master the language in which these ideas are encoded (think about some of the things you have said yourself about the importance of standard protocols). And, most importantly, while I don't think you're an idiot by any means, you are obviously very lacking in the realm of emotional maturity. The spectacle you've made of yourself with this thread is proof enough of this. You are a grown man, take whatever time you need to stare at yourself in the mirror until you realize this and become determined to act like one. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Anybody else notice that xah lee is eel hax spelt backwards? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Craig Allen wrote: There you go: a 30-second psychological diagnosis by an electrical engineer based entirely on Usenet postings. It doesn't get much more worthless than that... -- Grant rolf but interesting post nonetheless. I have been really somewhat fascinated by AS since I heard of it about a decade ago. There are many among us, with interesting ideas, occasionally savant level insight into certain abstractions, which often they can not communicate but which lie there for those that can communicate or come to understand nonetheless. having said that, none of this forgives rudeness or implies people have to tolarate it due to a person's condition, or even due to trying to help them achieve their potential (and thus get something productive out of it ourselves as well)... that is, if you have these communications problems you have to realize it, thank god you are functional, and just that alone will help you communicate. eeep! kt ps. when the hell do I get an eponymous banning thread?! I have been flaming this damn group for 13 years and no recognition!! k -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Kenneth Tilton ke...ail.comwrote: ps. when the hell do I get an eponymous banning thread?! I have been flaming this damn group for 13 years and no recognition!! k Well you are obviously not trying hard enough, so you have nobody but yourself to blame if you get pipped at the post after 13 years: It would help if you cross posted gratuitously, flaming the wrong group in response to random blog comments that you read elsewhere. Oh yes, I almost forgot - you also have to have some grotty website that is full of autogenerated rubbish that you keep posting links to as if it were the answer to life the universe, and everything. So having manifestly failed to follow the accepted recipe for getting yourself banned - why are you surprised? - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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There you go: a 30-second psychological diagnosis by an electrical engineer based entirely on Usenet postings. It doesn't get much more worthless than that... -- Grant rolf but interesting post nonetheless. I have been really somewhat fascinated by AS since I heard of it about a decade ago. There are many among us, with interesting ideas, occasionally savant level insight into certain abstractions, which often they can not communicate but which lie there for those that can communicate or come to understand nonetheless. having said that, none of this forgives rudeness or implies people have to tolarate it due to a person's condition, or even due to trying to help them achieve their potential (and thus get something productive out of it ourselves as well)... that is, if you have these communications problems you have to realize it, thank god you are functional, and just that alone will help you communicate. me, also IANAP, also working from usenet and an asperger's book I read (and google)... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 21:28 -0700, Luis Gonzalez wrote: C'mon guys, Xha Lee always wins, because fools like you get mad at him instead of ignoring him. Here here! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee schrieb: Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: On Mar 9, 1:22 pm, Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: XahLeeschrieb: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html IMHO the point that you never reply to responds is what makes it problematic. I have seen 10 or more threads started by you and in not a single one of those I have seen any sort of second post by you. Also the other thing that makes you appear like a troll is that the only posts where you are visible on the usenet are your own! Usenet is there for discussion. What you do seems to be mostly doing a often highly intelligent monologue and awaiting comment on it. Its not the purpose of Usenet. Simply calling you a troll is wrong. You are after all better than that. Though I think you are misusing the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they are by definition on topic. Christian In the article you quoted: http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html contains this passage: « Some people says that i don't participate in discussion, and this is part of the reason they think i'm a so-called “troll”. Actually i do, and read every reply to my post, as well have replied to technical questions other posted. Most replies to my posts are attacks or trivial (of few sentences) i don't consider worthy to reply. A few, maybe 10% replies to my unconventional posts, i consider having some value. But if i don't have sufficiently remarkable opinion on what they remarked, i don't reply. Also, if all i wanted to say is “thanks”, i tend to avoid posting such trivial posts too. (i used to reply by personal email in such cases, I still do sometimes now, but today that can be considered intrusive.) » I have read the passage though the 10% replies does not reflect my own experience with your posts. Thats why I pointed out that you never reply to the posts, at least not to the ones I have seen. Truly Your Superior, Do you really think that of yourself? Now I really am disappointed of you. Christian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee schrieb (and how...) For Google Groups users, there is a kill file implementation for Firefox / Greasemonkey: http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html hth, Tom -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2009-03-10, Tim Wintle tim.win...@teamrubber.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 21:28 -0700, Luis Gonzalez wrote: C'mon guys, Xha Lee always wins, because fools like you get mad at him instead of ignoring him. Here here! Hear hear! -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! FROZEN ENTREES may at be flung by members of visi.comopposing SWANSON SECTS ... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In comp.lang.lisp Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: Some people says that i don't participate in discussion, and this is part of the reason they think i'm a so-called ?troll?. Actually i do, and read every reply to my post, as well have replied to technical questions other posted. Most replies to my posts are attacks or trivial (of few sentences) i don't consider worthy to reply. Hmmm. What does that say about your posts? ;-) Actually, short replies need not be, and often aren't, trivial. A few, maybe 10% replies to my unconventional posts, i consider having some value. But if i don't have sufficiently remarkable opinion on what they remarked, i don't reply. Also, if all i wanted to say is ?thanks?, i tend to avoid posting such trivial posts too. Saying thanks isn't trivial. It gives feedback to the other poster, confirming that what he's written has been read by you, and that it is useful, or at least appreciated. It indicates to the group what level of answers is useful to you, what your level of sophistication is. It makes the group work better. if you didn't start your message with ?IMHO?, which indicated to me that at least you are sincere, i would not have replied. (no offense intended) Nearly every Usenet post is an IMHO. This one certainly is. The lack of an explicit IMHO doesn't imply any lack of sincerity. Btw, i'm not some kind of saint. You (guys) do whatever chatty style you want, i write or choose to reply in my abstruse ascetic manners. Just don't accuse when my style is not compatible your drivels. (insult intentional) Ascetic manners! That's wonderful, almost on a par with Sir Robert Armstrong's being economical with the truth. :-) Also, thanks to many supporters over the past years. Hey, you're not going away, are you? Xah -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:15:19 -0400, Lew wrote: s...@netherlands.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:08:54 -0400, Lew no...@lewscanon.com wrote: Larry Gates wrote: For me, the worst thing is when I'm programming, and a bug *actually* gets on my monitor. In real life, I'm this tough person: a rugged tradesmen. I'm so phobic of bugs that I'll run away screaming like a girl. I had a smudge on my monitor some years ago. It was on the frame, not the screen itself, but visible on the side. The person next to me pointed at it, ^ He said: I work so close to you we must be telemarketers, does my body odor bother you? Uh ... There's nothing quite as Europaen as B.O. Europe: where they have the means to use soap but not the inclination. -- larry gates I'm not consistent about consistency, you see, except when I am... And I try to believe six foolish consistencies before breakfast each day. :-) -- Larry Wall in 20050307164019.ga14...@wall.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:19:19 + (UTC), Steve Sobol wrote: On 2009-03-09, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote: Buddha taught that the universe is ineluctably a single interconnected web of cause and effect, which is my haughty preamble to this observation: it depends on the newsgroup. comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal contributor. That's great, but he trolls like crazy here (comp.lang.java.programmer). I've seen his posts for years now and in different places. I'm certain he's the smartest computer guy on his street. He takes these data to show how he's so influential on the net. I looked at his site once. I wouldn't be convinced that he knows any of the syntaxes where he posts; then again, I don't know lisp. I think we all have a definite opinion on massive crossposting with nothing relevant. I'm happy to hear that c.l.lisp is a cool place. How's that for five eyes? -- larry gates Perl will always provide the null. -- Larry Wall in 199801151818.kaa14...@wall.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? -- larry gates You have the irritating habit of asking good questions I don't have an easy answer for. Please don't stop. -- Larry Wall in 20050314165932.ga12...@wall.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Larry Gates la...@example.invalid wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? It's the Unicode character for Comet, whatever that's supposed to mean: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2604/index.htm Cheers, Chris -- I have a blog: http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Larry Gates wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? /u2604 Comet symbol followups set -- RGB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a3ee929d-0b9b-4bbf-9cf3-5dcc6ddbc...@d19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... [ SNIP ] This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. [ SNIP ] Here's the thing - most people don't get banned from anything even once, let alone from online communities many times. While it's certainly within the realm of possibility that a single ban from a single online community may be unjust, when a pattern develops it's a pretty good sign that you're the problem, not them. AHS -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Roedy Green wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:52:02 -0800 (PST), Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. The reason you are unpopular has nothing to with what you say. It is that you don't participate in discussions. You just pontificate from on high. It implies a sort of haughty superciliousness that people are reacting to. Buddha taught that the universe is ineluctably a single interconnected web of cause and effect, which is my haughty preamble to this observation: it depends on the newsgroup. comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal contributor. kt ps. The Failed Attempt At Witty Comeback lines are now open. Plz dial carefully. k -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Haines Brown wrote: If we have studied a field obsessively for some years, it is natural that we end in a position where our knowledge will generally be superior. But this does not make us superior. What does make us superior? Are you so dishonest or insane as to assert that everyone is equal? This line of sophistry leads to the conclusion that Isaac Newton was not superior to a microcephalous idiot. Probably several--- nay, thousands!---of these idiots had already invented calculus and Newtonian mechanics, only to see their achievements ignored by the elitists. Or perhaps you mean that although these idiots were grossly inferior to Newton in intellect, character, personality, and knowledge, their other assets elevated them to Newton's level---their ability to discharge copious amounts of spittle, mucous, urine, and execrement. And in the workplace today, the idiots should be paid the same as the geniuses. Superiority is a fascist lie. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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A glance at Ban Xah Lee's web page reveals that he is what is called an autodidact - someone who is self-taught. While this is an admirable achievement, it carries with it certain dangers. One is that it gives the illusion that learning is not a social activity, but an individual one. This is not the case. The autodidact merely abandons conventional structures for his education and pursues his own course. However, from the moment they are born, our development arises through social contact. If you study library books in your garret entirely on your down, the book is still a social communication. What autodidaction shows is that there is more than one way to develop through social contact, not that it can be done without it. If the bulk of one's development necessarily takes place through social communication, then one depends on the effectiveness of that communication. This is why we use conventional words, familiar concepts and accepted facts to build an argument. When we cannot do so, there should be good reason. That is why, when we seek to challenge conventional wisdom, we ought to do so in a manner least likely to offend or confuse. Rudeness, unnecessary obscurity, novel words or concepts that are not mandatory, reliance on contested facts rather than conventional knowledge, insensitivity for one's intended readership, threaten the line of communication that makes it unlikely to bring others over to our position and also ultimately unlikely that we can develop ourselves. Another danger facing the autodidact is that it is too easy to acquire a contempt for others. If we have studied a field obsessively for some years, it is natural that we end in a position where our knowledge will generally be superior. But this does not make us superior. We don't live in a world in which social relations arise from a private possession of expertise, but in a world in which we develop ourselves through our relations with others. As any teacher will attest, you often learn more from the ignorant than from the expert. It is our social solidarity that gives rise to potentials that allow us to exceed our private capacities, not our being able to acquire and privately possess intellectual riches for ourselves. -- Haines Brown, KB1GRM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2009-03-09, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote: Buddha taught that the universe is ineluctably a single interconnected web of cause and effect, which is my haughty preamble to this observation: it depends on the newsgroup. comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal contributor. That's great, but he trolls like crazy here (comp.lang.java.programmer). -- Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is Life Without Walls. But if you have no walls, how can you have windows? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Larry Gates wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? Almost had me cleaning the screen. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee schrieb: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html IMHO the point that you never reply to responds is what makes it problematic. I have seen 10 or more threads started by you and in not a single one of those I have seen any sort of second post by you. Also the other thing that makes you appear like a troll is that the only posts where you are visible on the usenet are your own! Usenet is there for discussion. What you do seems to be mostly doing a often highly intelligent monologue and awaiting comment on it. Its not the purpose of Usenet. Simply calling you a troll is wrong. You are after all better than that. Though I think you are misusing the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they are by definition on topic. Christian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Christian wrote: Though I think you are misusing the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they are by definition on topic. I would agree that is the issue in Xah Lee's case as well. I don't know that he realizes he's posting in off topic groups in what seems nothing more than self gratification, but perhaps he's just confused and doesn't realize that usenet is not the place to just randomly post a thought or challenge about a topic (especially in irrelevant groups to his ranting) and linking to his site and not usually following up to his own posts (like a poor form of self promotion of his articles). I agree, I think he might just be confused and needs to consider setting up a blog about his feelings and whatnot, and he needs to understand that it's not appropriate to do it on usenet. Problem is, I don't think he's just confused altogether, but he'll probably ignore the entire topic he started anyway and continue doing what he's doing (he seems to think the lisc, perl, python, java and ruby groups are his personal blog medium, so all of his thoughts and feelings are continually posted in places they don't belong -- and he doesn't care). -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Larry Gates wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? Almost had me cleaning the screen. I confess. I moved the window to be sure. But I have an excuse: more than once I have tried to delete a bit of dried... well, never mind. hth, kt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: On Mar 9, 1:22 pm, Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: XahLeeschrieb: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html IMHO the point that you never reply to responds is what makes it problematic. I have seen 10 or more threads started by you and in not a single one of those I have seen any sort of second post by you. Also the other thing that makes you appear like a troll is that the only posts where you are visible on the usenet are your own! Usenet is there for discussion. What you do seems to be mostly doing a often highly intelligent monologue and awaiting comment on it. Its not the purpose of Usenet. Simply calling you a troll is wrong. You are after all better than that. Though I think you are misusing the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they are by definition on topic. Christian In the article you quoted: http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html contains this passage: « Some people says that i don't participate in discussion, and this is part of the reason they think i'm a so-called “troll”. Actually i do, and read every reply to my post, as well have replied to technical questions other posted. Most replies to my posts are attacks or trivial (of few sentences) i don't consider worthy to reply. A few, maybe 10% replies to my unconventional posts, i consider having some value. But if i don't have sufficiently remarkable opinion on what they remarked, i don't reply. Also, if all i wanted to say is “thanks”, i tend to avoid posting such trivial posts too. (i used to reply by personal email in such cases, I still do sometimes now, but today that can be considered intrusive.) » if you didn't start your message with “IMHO”, which indicated to me that at least you are sincere, i would not have replied. (no offense intended) Btw, i'm not some kind of saint. You (guys) do whatever chatty style you want, i write or choose to reply in my abstruse ascetic manners. Just don't accuse when my style is not compatible your drivels. (insult intentional) I have written quite a lot on netiquette issues in the past decade. You can find many answers about my reasons or posting behavior here: • Netiquette Anthropology http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html Recently i started a blog that is collection of my online posts. If you need to talk about me, feel free to comment there. I am more likely to reply there for questions pertaining just me. The url is here: http://xah-forum.blogspot.com/ If anyone likes me to give answers particular to this thread, or desire me to reply to all the messages directed to me in this thread, i'll be more than happy to do so. Also, thanks to many supporters over the past years. Truly Your Superior, Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Kenneth Tilton wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Larry Gates wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? Almost had me cleaning the screen. I confess. I moved the window to be sure. But I have an excuse: more than once I have tried to delete a bit of dried... well, never mind. hth, kt Sneezing while eating while programming can be messy. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee wrote: Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: On Mar 9, 1:22 pm, Christian fakem...@xyz.de wrote: XahLeeschrieb: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html IMHO the point that you never reply to responds is what makes it problematic. I have seen 10 or more threads started by you and in not a single one of those I have seen any sort of second post by you. Also the other thing that makes you appear like a troll is that the only posts where you are visible on the usenet are your own! Usenet is there for discussion. What you do seems to be mostly doing a often highly intelligent monologue and awaiting comment on it. Its not the purpose of Usenet. Simply calling you a troll is wrong. You are after all better than that. Though I think you are misusing the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they are by definition on topic. Christian In the article you quoted: http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ugh Apparently my usenet filter is broken. contains this passage: « ... » if you didn't start your message with “IMHO”, which indicated to me that at least you are sincere, i would not have replied. (no offense intended) Btw, i'm not some kind of saint. You (guys) do whatever chatty style you want, i write or choose to reply in my abstruse ascetic manners. Just don't accuse when my style is not compatible your drivels. (insult intentional) Actually, people take issue with you posting to groups that hold no relevance to your posts, especially when you post about your personal issues and problems that don't relate to any single group. I have written quite a lot on netiquette issues in the past decade. But you don't follow them? You can find many answers about my reasons or posting behavior here: • Netiquette Anthropology http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html I don't care for your reasons or behavior, but that you've been repeatedly asked not to post your feelings about LISP in the Python, Perl, and Ruby groups. Recently i started a blog that is collection of my online posts. So, use that instead of posting to random, off topic groups on usenet. If you need to talk about me, feel free to comment there. You post here, I reply to you here. I am more likely to reply there for questions pertaining just me. The url is here: Irrevant to your posting here without relevance. I have no desire to talk to you and say anything else. So, can you stop cross posting to the same 5 groups every time you post something, unless it's actually relevant to the group? If anyone likes me to give answers particular to this thread, or desire me to reply to all the messages directed to me in this thread, i'll be more than happy to do so. Just please stop posting to groups that hold no relevance, as if they are your personal blog. Usenet is not a blog. Also, thanks to many supporters over the past years. I'm sure. Truly Your Superior, I'd think anyone superior to me would understand how to use usenet properly. I'm being genuine and sincere, when I say that I'd like to ask that you stop cross posting to irrelevant groups. Thanks for your consideration. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:38:24 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes: [snip] Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0? So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those that block him will see them anyway, right? Wrong. We'll just block your posts too. *plonk* Xah i know is a crazy critic, not bad guy. Let's respond with critique for a critique, not ban. -- Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr ∑INTERNET: URL:http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:37:50 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Kenneth Tilton wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Larry Gates wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:09:52 +, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? http://lomas-assault.net/usenet/z12.jpg I don't know how to answer the question. Is the zeroeth character also null? Almost had me cleaning the screen. I confess. I moved the window to be sure. But I have an excuse: more than once I have tried to delete a bit of dried... well, never mind. hth, kt Sneezing while eating while programming can be messy. For me, the worst thing is when I'm programming, and a bug *actually* gets on my monitor. In real life, I'm this tough person: a rugged tradesmen. I'm so phobic of bugs that I'll run away screaming like a girl. -- larry gates I dunno. Perhaps you should be happy that I have a policy of refraining from grumbling about handicapped operating systems. :-) -- Larry Wall in 199808291719.kaa12...@wall.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Larry Gates wrote: For me, the worst thing is when I'm programming, and a bug *actually* gets on my monitor. In real life, I'm this tough person: a rugged tradesmen. I'm so phobic of bugs that I'll run away screaming like a girl. I had a smudge on my monitor some years ago. It was on the frame, not the screen itself, but visible on the side. The person next to me pointed at it, thinking an insect had crawled onto the monitor, and asked, Is that a bug? I looked, realized it was a baked-in blemish and answered, No, it's a feature. I didn't realize what I had done until after I said it. -- Lew -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Christian wrote: ... [Xah Lee] seems to be mostly doing a often highly intelligent monologue ... Really? -- Lew -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax dirk.bru...@gmail.com wrote: Xah Lee wrote: Subject: Ban Xah Lee My vote: YES jue -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Larry Gates la...@example.invalid wrote: comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal contributor. I'm certain he's the smartest computer guy on his street. Make that he ist certain, he is the smartest computer guy. jue -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:08:54 -0400, Lew no...@lewscanon.com wrote: Larry Gates wrote: For me, the worst thing is when I'm programming, and a bug *actually* gets on my monitor. In real life, I'm this tough person: a rugged tradesmen. I'm so phobic of bugs that I'll run away screaming like a girl. I had a smudge on my monitor some years ago. It was on the frame, not the screen itself, but visible on the side. The person next to me pointed at it, ^ He said: I work so close to you we must be telemarketers, does my body odor bother you? -sln -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:25:16 -0700, Jürgen Exner jurge...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm certain he's the smartest computer guy on his street. Make that he ist certain, he is the smartest computer guy. Which street? in a modern city? someplace in the developed world? This we need to know -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2009-03-10, Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0? So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those that block him will see them anyway, right? Wrong. We'll just block your posts too. *plonk* Xah i know is a crazy critic, Hey, we have standards here! If you're going to do psychological diagnoses, you have to quote at least one Wikipedia article. not bad guy. Let's respond with critique for a critique, not ban. Well, First, it's pointless: he pays no attention to either critics or critiques. And B) it annoys everybody else. [I trust that by this point in the thread everybody but the masochistic or morbidly curious have plonked this thread.] -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 10 mar, 00:54, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-03-10, Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0? So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those that block him will see them anyway, right? Wrong. We'll just block your posts too. *plonk* Xah i know is a crazy critic, Hey, we have standards here! If you're going to do psychological diagnoses, you have to quote at least one Wikipedia article. not bad guy. Let's respond with critique for a critique, not ban. Well, First, it's pointless: he pays no attention to either critics or critiques. And B) it annoys everybody else. [I trust that by this point in the thread everybody but the masochistic or morbidly curious have plonked this thread.] -- Grant Why ban anyone here? C'mon guys, Xha Lee always wins, because fools like you get mad at him instead of ignoring him. If you don't like Xha's posts, just don't read them. It's as simple as that. By the way: «I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it» Voltaire. Baning is not useful nor intelligent. Luis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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s...@netherlands.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:08:54 -0400, Lew no...@lewscanon.com wrote: Larry Gates wrote: For me, the worst thing is when I'm programming, and a bug *actually* gets on my monitor. In real life, I'm this tough person: a rugged tradesmen. I'm so phobic of bugs that I'll run away screaming like a girl. I had a smudge on my monitor some years ago. It was on the frame, not the screen itself, but visible on the side. The person next to me pointed at it, ^ He said: I work so close to you we must be telemarketers, does my body odor bother you? Uh ... -- Lew -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Grant Edwards gra...isi.com wrote: There you go: a 30-second psychological diagnosis by an electrical engineer based entirely on Usenet postings. It doesn't get much more worthless than that... Oh it is not entirely worthless - as a working hypothesis, it seems to cover and explain the observed facts, so it should be accepted until a simpler theory comes along. - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html • Ban Xah Lee http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ban_Xah_Lee.html I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. Plain text version one of the above article follows. --- Ban Xah Lee Xah Lee, 2009-03-07 This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me off. This happened in 2006. Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to “comp.lang.*” newsgroups. I was using Google's newsgroup service to post it, and has nothing to do with my web hosting service provider, other than my signature containing my website or links to relevant articles on my website. However, this guy digs up my web hosting provider, and lobbied people to send complains to kick me off. Detailed account: DreamHost.com and A Incidence of Harassment WIKIPEDIA My Wikipedia account P0lyglut is banned by Wikipedia admins in ~2008-06 for a month or so. Summary: i was editing articles on Tibet, Human sacrifice, Dalai Lama, citing info from Chinese historian Li Ao, and was fighting with those who revert me in a non-conformal way. They banned me for editing, and subsequently banned me from editing my talk page, and removed the defense i gave on my talk page. The original reason for reverting my editing was that i linked to my own website (which contains the collected videos of Li Ao's program on youtube, with English translation and summary). Subsequently, because i did not behave in a way that seems “polite” to them, and kept on fighting, the reason they cited to ban me was spreading propaganda. For some account of this incident, see bottom of: Why Can't You Be Normal?. The fighting and discussion can be seen on my talk page, at: User talk:P0lyglut. The writing where i defended my edit, that got removed from my talk page, is here: Wikipedia User talk:P0lyglut ... 2008-07. Local copy of these at: Wikipedia_ban_2008-06.zip. FREENODE IRC EMACS CHANNEL I'm banned on Freenode's irc emacs channel since about 2006-10, and the ban was never lifted as of 2009-03. The ban is primarily, and single-handedly executed by John Sullivan (aka johnsu01). Some detail: Emacs Irc Channel Ban On Xah Lee. HACKER NEWS “Hacker News” website, at http://news.ycombinator.com/, banned me around 2009-02 or earlier. Someone posted a question about why some sites seem to be banned, titled “Ask PG- What is the list of banned sites and why are they banned”. He asked for reasons or a public list. The url is at Source. (local archive: Hacker_News_xahlee.org_ban.zip) Then, someone posted the list of domains/sub-domains that are banned, which contains my site “xahlee.org”. No explicit reason is given. It appears to me, it was banned because one of my essay: Why Software Suck, has been submitted to the site in 2009-02, then in the discussion, someone mentioned i am a troll, then admin placed my site on ban. There are other bans that i consider unjust. This page is a start to list them. I'll try to add more when i have time. Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0? Sincerely, -- Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr ∑INTERNET: URL:http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:38:24 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG b...@izb.knu.ac.kr wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes: [snip] Don't worry, Xah. At least, my minds is running on your rails. Please do not stop. BTW, what do you think about using Gnus instead of G2/1.0? So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those that block him will see them anyway, right? Wrong. We'll just block your posts too. *plonk* -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mar 8, 7:50 am, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: So you are going to repeat his postings in their entirety so that those that block him will see them anyway, right? Wrong. We'll just block your posts too. *plonk* This is to all usenet readers who think they own c.l.py! === This especially concerns D'Arcy, Bruno, and Steven D'Aprro! All three of which who's wibbling, and chastinations of fellow readers has plagued this group for far too long. I hereby declare these readers viral infestations, in the name of freedom of purity. You should really stop reading usnet thru email or some asinine news reader, this will solve all your problems and stop your obnoxious quibbling for which i am getting tired of listening to. I am sick of hearing cry babys like you say don't quote a post because i do not wish to read it. Look idiot, if you don't want to read it, for christ sake DONT F'IN READ IT AND SHUT THE HELL UP!! I don't know if you are aware of this but you are in no way forced to read anything. I know you wish to live in a world completely under your control with the mantra My way or the highway, but it does not work like that. And let me tell you another thing bozo, just because you have been reading usenet since 1972 from your mommas basement with one hand on your Oscar Myer, does not mean you own it or have any power to tell others how, what, or when they should read or not read this group or post to this group. SHUT UP AND READ OR JUST SHUT UP! Go choke yourself while watching some gay porn so you might be happy for 10 minutes and spare us you infantile whining. School time for old burnouts: = The best reader for Usenet is Google groups. There is no need to read miles of quoted text because it all gets stuffed in a nice little link called show quoted text -- believe it or not :) Because i use the wonderful Google Groups I also don't have my email or reader clogged with hundreds of messages for which i do not care to read. I just skim the subject lines here in the group and decide in a micro second whether or not i will read it. Dump those useless newsreades and move into the 21st century people. Are you still playing Atari for Christ sake? Newsreaders are like Newspapers. I have no use for them either. Just like a newspaper i have to plow thru miles of useless crap just to get to the one thing i might be interested in, not to mention walking to the curb to pick the damn thing up! In the age of 24 hour news networks and instant internet news, a newspaper is only good for one thing, wiping my backside! So wake up and smell the coffee burnouts, the end of your useless and tyrannical reign is nigh, the future is upon us and the sun is shining bright! The invasion of the normies has happened. No longer shall the meek rule, but all shall be contributors to the digital revolution. If you think that this is bad for you now, just wait a few more years!! hahahahahhaahaha -- Evolution rules! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mar 7, 5:52 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me off. This happened in 2006. I know the feeling. I have this super geek with nothing but time on his hands constantly following me around like a flies on an elephants crack. This lowlife has nothing better to do with his time. But, i guess at least this give his poor miserable life some meaning. It's nice to know i can help those poor saps less fortunate than me :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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r wrote: This is to all usenet readers who think they own c.l.py! [snip abusive, anti-social rant] Well, after kill-filing this kiddie for a few months, I thought I'd give him a chance. By pure luck I chose this post to read. Good news r, you've earned yourself a permanent kill-filing. I'll be enjoying the silence from you. *plonk* -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mar 8, 1:24 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: r wrote: This is to all usenet readers who think they own c.l.py! [snip abusive, anti-social rant] Well, after kill-filing this kiddie for a few months, I thought I'd give him a chance. By pure luck I chose this post to read. Good news r, you've earned yourself a permanent kill-filing. I'll be enjoying the silence from you. *plonk* -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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seconded. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:52:02 -0800 (PST), Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. The reason you are unpopular has nothing to with what you say. It is that you don't participate in discussions. You just pontificate from on high. It implies a sort of haughty superciliousness that people are reacting to. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. ~ Dr. W. (William) Edwards Deming (born: 1900-10-14 died: 1993-12-20 at age: 93)) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Steve Sobol wrote: On 2009-03-09, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote: Buddha taught that the universe is ineluctably a single interconnected web of cause and effect, which is my haughty preamble to this observation: it depends on the newsgroup. comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal contributor. That's great, but he trolls like crazy here (comp.lang.java.programmer). Hi hits us at comp.lang.perl.misc and comp.lang.python, too (with off topic posts). He's just a weirdo that thinks he's incredibly important and interesting, and just ignores people's requests for him to stop cross posting. In the end, I've seen worse posters than Xah Lee, but he's in my killfile. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html • Ban Xah Lee http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ban_Xah_Lee.html I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. Plain text version one of the above article follows. --- Ban Xah Lee Xah Lee, 2009-03-07 This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me off. This happened in 2006. Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to “comp.lang.*” newsgroups. I was using Google's newsgroup service to post it, and has nothing to do with my web hosting service provider, other than my signature containing my website or links to relevant articles on my website. However, this guy digs up my web hosting provider, and lobbied people to send complains to kick me off. Detailed account: DreamHost.com and A Incidence of Harassment WIKIPEDIA My Wikipedia account P0lyglut is banned by Wikipedia admins in ~2008-06 for a month or so. Summary: i was editing articles on Tibet, Human sacrifice, Dalai Lama, citing info from Chinese historian Li Ao, and was fighting with those who revert me in a non-conformal way. They banned me for editing, and subsequently banned me from editing my talk page, and removed the defense i gave on my talk page. The original reason for reverting my editing was that i linked to my own website (which contains the collected videos of Li Ao's program on youtube, with English translation and summary). Subsequently, because i did not behave in a way that seems “polite” to them, and kept on fighting, the reason they cited to ban me was spreading propaganda. For some account of this incident, see bottom of: Why Can't You Be Normal?. The fighting and discussion can be seen on my talk page, at: User talk:P0lyglut. The writing where i defended my edit, that got removed from my talk page, is here: Wikipedia User talk:P0lyglut ... 2008-07. Local copy of these at: Wikipedia_ban_2008-06.zip. FREENODE IRC EMACS CHANNEL I'm banned on Freenode's irc emacs channel since about 2006-10, and the ban was never lifted as of 2009-03. The ban is primarily, and single-handedly executed by John Sullivan (aka johnsu01). Some detail: Emacs Irc Channel Ban On Xah Lee. HACKER NEWS “Hacker News” website, at http://news.ycombinator.com/, banned me around 2009-02 or earlier. Someone posted a question about why some sites seem to be banned, titled “Ask PG- What is the list of banned sites and why are they banned”. He asked for reasons or a public list. The url is at Source. (local archive: Hacker_News_xahlee.org_ban.zip) Then, someone posted the list of domains/sub-domains that are banned, which contains my site “xahlee.org”. No explicit reason is given. It appears to me, it was banned because one of my essay: Why Software Suck, has been submitted to the site in 2009-02, then in the discussion, someone mentioned i am a troll, then admin placed my site on ban. There are other bans that i consider unjust. This page is a start to list them. I'll try to add more when i have time. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee wrote: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html • Ban Xah Lee http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ban_Xah_Lee.html I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. Plain text version one of the above article follows. --- Ban Xah Lee Xah Lee, 2009-03-07 This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me off. This happened in 2006. Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to “comp.lang.*” newsgroups. I was using Google's newsgroup service to post it, and has nothing to do with my web hosting service provider, other than my signature containing my website or links to relevant articles on my website. However, this guy digs up my web hosting provider, and lobbied people to send complains to kick me off. Detailed account: DreamHost.com and A Incidence of Harassment WIKIPEDIA My Wikipedia account P0lyglut is banned by Wikipedia admins in ~2008-06 for a month or so. Summary: i was editing articles on Tibet, Human sacrifice, Dalai Lama, citing info from Chinese historian Li Ao, and was fighting with those who revert me in a non-conformal way. They banned me for editing, and subsequently banned me from editing my talk page, and removed the defense i gave on my talk page. The original reason for reverting my editing was that i linked to my own website (which contains the collected videos of Li Ao's program on youtube, with English translation and summary). Subsequently, because i did not behave in a way that seems “polite” to them, and kept on fighting, the reason they cited to ban me was spreading propaganda. For some account of this incident, see bottom of: Why Can't You Be Normal?. The fighting and discussion can be seen on my talk page, at: User talk:P0lyglut. The writing where i defended my edit, that got removed from my talk page, is here: Wikipedia User talk:P0lyglut ... 2008-07. Local copy of these at: Wikipedia_ban_2008-06.zip. FREENODE IRC EMACS CHANNEL I'm banned on Freenode's irc emacs channel since about 2006-10, and the ban was never lifted as of 2009-03. The ban is primarily, and single-handedly executed by John Sullivan (aka johnsu01). Some detail: Emacs Irc Channel Ban On Xah Lee. HACKER NEWS “Hacker News” website, at http://news.ycombinator.com/, banned me around 2009-02 or earlier. Someone posted a question about why some sites seem to be banned, titled “Ask PG- What is the list of banned sites and why are they banned”. He asked for reasons or a public list. The url is at Source. (local archive: Hacker_News_xahlee.org_ban.zip) Then, someone posted the list of domains/sub-domains that are banned, which contains my site “xahlee.org”. No explicit reason is given. It appears to me, it was banned because one of my essay: Why Software Suck, has been submitted to the site in 2009-02, then in the discussion, someone mentioned i am a troll, then admin placed my site on ban. There are other bans that i consider unjust. This page is a start to list them. I'll try to add more when i have time. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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apologies for the cross posting Xah Lee wrote: This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. If anybody on this list visits Boston, contact me to claim your free beer. :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee wrote: Of interest: Unintesting stuff snipped. Perhaps it's the irrelevant, off topic posts you continue to make to groups that have nothing to do with your self gratifying rants? We get it, you think you're smarter than anyone else and that's the reason for you posting and arguing with people. That is why people probably kill filed you (there's no ban feature for usenet itself). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're not as important as you like to think yourself. Into the killfile you go. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to comp.lang.* newsgroups. And that one (completely accurate) sentence is really the core of virtually all of your troubles, isn't it? Usually, as people mature, they learn by experience that their communications are accepted more easily if they are presented with calm and courtesy. This is neither good nor bad, nor is it a conspiracy. It is simple human nature. If you want your words to be heard, you cannot continue to ignore human nature. You might not LIKE reining in your vitriol, and being pleasant to the unwashed ignorant masses, but that's what it takes. If you don't CARE whether anyone reads your words, then please feel free to continue with your current behaviors. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: Xah Lee wrote: Of interest: • Why Can't You Be Normal? http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html • Ban Xah Lee http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ban_Xah_Lee.html I consider this post relevant because i've been perennially gossiped about in comp.lang.* groups today and in the past 5 or 10 years, many of the threads mentioning my name are not started by me nor did i ever participate. Plain text version one of the above article follows. --- Ban Xah Lee Xah Lee, 2009-03-07 This page is a short collection of online communities that banned me, in a way that i don't consider just. It illustrates the political nature among the tech geeking males. HARASSMENT BY JOHN BOKMA I was harassed by a newsgroup poster John Bokma (a regular of comp.lang.perl.misc) to have my web hosting service provider kick me off. This happened in 2006. Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to “comp.lang.*” newsgroups. I was using Google's newsgroup service to post it, and has nothing to do with my web hosting service provider, other than my signature containing my website or links to relevant articles on my website. However, this guy digs up my web hosting provider, and lobbied people to send complains to kick me off. Detailed account: DreamHost.com and A Incidence of Harassment WIKIPEDIA My Wikipedia account P0lyglut is banned by Wikipedia admins in ~2008-06 for a month or so. Summary: i was editing articles on Tibet, Human sacrifice, Dalai Lama, citing info from Chinese historian Li Ao, and was fighting with those who revert me in a non-conformal way. They banned me for editing, and subsequently banned me from editing my talk page, and removed the defense i gave on my talk page. The original reason for reverting my editing was that i linked to my own website (which contains the collected videos of Li Ao's program on youtube, with English translation and summary). Subsequently, because i did not behave in a way that seems “polite” to them, and kept on fighting, the reason they cited to ban me was spreading propaganda. For some account of this incident, see bottom of: Why Can't You Be Normal?. The fighting and discussion can be seen on my talk page, at: User talk:P0lyglut. The writing where i defended my edit, that got removed from my talk page, is here: Wikipedia User talk:P0lyglut ... 2008-07. Local copy of these at: Wikipedia_ban_2008-06.zip. FREENODE IRC EMACS CHANNEL I'm banned on Freenode's irc emacs channel since about 2006-10, and the ban was never lifted as of 2009-03. The ban is primarily, and single-handedly executed by John Sullivan (aka johnsu01). Some detail: Emacs Irc Channel Ban On Xah Lee. HACKER NEWS “Hacker News” website, at http://news.ycombinator.com/, banned me around 2009-02 or earlier. Someone posted a question about why some sites seem to be banned, titled “Ask PG- What is the list of banned sites and why are they banned”. He asked for reasons or a public list. The url is at Source. (local archive: Hacker_News_xahlee.org_ban.zip) Then, someone posted the list of domains/sub-domains that are banned, which contains my site “xahlee.org”. No explicit reason is given. It appears to me, it was banned because one of my essay: Why Software Suck, has been submitted to the site in 2009-02, then in the discussion, someone mentioned i am a troll, then admin placed my site on ban. There are other bans that i consider unjust. This page is a start to list them. I'll try to add more when i have time. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ Well, don't worry - nobody is going to ban you from Usenet (except possibly the Chinese govt). OTOH, nobody here much cares. So, rant on - it's what Usenet is for. ☄ --- what is that char? -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2009-03-08, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: Summary: I was posting relevant but controversial opinions in a rude manner to comp.lang.* newsgroups. And that one (completely accurate) sentence is really the core of virtually all of your troubles, isn't it? Usually, as people mature, they learn by experience that their communications are accepted more easily if they are presented with calm and courtesy. This is neither good nor bad, nor is it a conspiracy. It is simple human nature. IANAP, but I suspect that parts of his brain don't work the same way most of ours do and he has a very limited ability to perceive things from another person's point of view. This results in an inability to communicate effectively and a crippling lack of understanding of the social conventions that most of us figured out and adapted to by the time we were 8 years old. He probably is honestly unable to understand why other people react the way they do to his postings. If I were going to have to pick a label, I'd say he's got Asperger's syndrome or a similar autism spectrum disorder. From the AS Wikipedia article: Unlike those with autism, people with AS are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly, for example by engaging in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as need for privacy or haste to leave.[5] This social awkwardness has been called active but odd.[1] This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive.[5] ... Although individuals with Asperger syndrome acquire language skills without significant general delay and their speech typically lacks significant abnormalities, language acquisition and use is often atypical.[5] Abnormalities include verbosity, abrupt transitions, literal interpretations and miscomprehension of nuance, use of metaphor meaningful only to the speaker, auditory perception deficits, unusually pedantic, formal or idiosyncratic speech, and oddities in loudness, pitch, intonation, prosody, and rhythm.[1] What particularly struck me was the use of metaphor meaningful only to the speaker and unusully pedantic aspects of Xah Lee's posts. If somebody with AS can't recognize a listener's reactions when they're face-to-face, you can imagine the difficulty they'd have on Usenet. There you go: a 30-second psychological diagnosis by an electrical engineer based entirely on Usenet postings. It doesn't get much more worthless than that... -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
