Re: best IDE

[Mike Driscoll]

On Nov 26, 11:59 am, asit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which one is the best IDE for python 

You'll probably also want to take a look at the Python wiki:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors

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Re: best IDE

[asit]

On Nov 26, 11:09 pm, "Chris Rebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:59 AM, asit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which one is the best IDE for python 
>
> This was recently discussed. To avoid needlessly rehashing said
> discussion, see the thread 
> athttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/...
>
> Cheers,
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Re: best IDE

[Chris Rebert]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:59 AM, asit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which one is the best IDE for python 

This was recently discussed. To avoid needlessly rehashing said
discussion, see the thread at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/7fd136aef1c63e47/fbaff90068f0fe02

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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Michael B. Trausch]

Éric Daigneault wrote:
> 
> I run the latest pydev on both windows and linux...  The setup is
> excatcly the same (on the eclipse, path setup and all) 
> My windows setup is much better at auto-complete that the linux
> setup...  In linux, other than with self, I seldom get auto complete on
> other classes.  In windows it sometimes can figure out to what class
> belong the instance and propose appropriate choices...
> 
> Caus of my present workload I gave up trying to make it work... 
> E :D.
> 

Yeah, I have given up, too.  I don't really need it, though it would
have been nice to have because I do not (yet) have a second monitor to
attach to my workstation for information-browsing... :-P

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

This is the answer

Linux
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BOA constructor
Eric (the best for python I think it has cool subversion support better
than emacs for non f4cmd67-b jockies emacs sucks anyway you look at it
and lisp is a terrible terrible bad joke unless you are gondi)
oh and some other tool for python glade/gtk widgetmaroo

Mac
--
Xcode of course
TextMate


Windows

who cares


Personally Eric3 wins for general purpose python code look it up why
did no one mention the best one?

done

Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2006-10-26, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.
> >
> > Warning: Vim isn't something you just "try tomorrow"  :)
>
> You can become proficient enough for basic editing in about 20
> minutes with the built-in tutorial.
>
> Getting it to work seemlessly with Python code will take
> considerably longer.
> 
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Re: [OT] What's the best IDE?

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Theerasak Photha wrote:
> I've used Emacs for a long time, but I think I might be going back to
> Vim 7.0 now that they improved the scripting functionality with *real*
> arrays and dicts.

I've been writing all my extensions in python rather than vimscript for
several releases (occasionally it requires some elbow grease, e.g. I
submitted the fixes to let the python interface call functions
returning vim lists/dicts).

> I hate to appeal to popularity, but Vim's
> greater popularity also contributes to higher quality in a number of
> cases

I'd guess emacs is at least a base-10 order of magnitude more popular
than vim for real development (excluding simple "it's already
installed" basic sysadmin stuff); emacs passed vi c. 1990 and hasn't
looked back.

I say that as a hardcore vim user--getting used to modality really
isn't for everyone, though once you do the payoff is high.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ramon Diaz-Uriarte]

On 10/26/06, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Yeah, it was all the customizing that I could never figure out.
> >
> > years ago this worked for people I was supporting:
> >  set softtabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab
>
> That's all I've ever needed vim to do with my Python code (apart from
> the syntax highlighting, which works by default when I've tried it).
>
> > Personally, I'm an emacs guy, so I wouldn't know.
>
> Should I start another thread about python-mode and how annoying it is?
>


Ben, as an Emacs guy tempted by Vim I'd definitely like to know what
you find annoying about python-mode, and how Vim does not annoy you
here. If this answer might risk leading the thread somewhere we don't
want, I'd anyway by very interested in a private email.

Best,

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ramon Diaz-Uriarte]

On 10/29/06, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've used Emacs for a long time, but I think I might be going back to
> Vim 7.0 now that they improved the scripting functionality with *real*
> arrays and dicts. In some respects, this is now better than in Emacs,
> where the hash functionality is...well...cumbersome at best.
>
> Main reason would be that Vim is so much easier to customize and find
> things in than Emacs. I long time ago, I actually submitted a bug

Yes, I've read that, and I see that point. And that you can do
customization using Python. I've actually been tempted by Vim since I
read this

http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca/opinions/editors.html

(and Pinard is someone I do respect, and this is a very well argued document).

> (...)
> vimshell is a (nearly) full-blown terminal emulator facility for Vim
> http://www.wana.at/vimshell/

Thanks for this link! It looks really interesting. I'll try to give it
a try ASAP.
One question, though: can you "send" a block of code to a Python shell
running in vimshell? (somehow like you can do in Emacs)?


R.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/27/06, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, I've read similar things before and I don't quite get it. I
> guess all of us are Emacs begginers the first time we try emacs.
> Actually, I started using Emacs about 1 month after installing Linux;
> what hooked me was the possibility of editing code AND submit it to an
> inferior process, just like that (this I experienced first with R, but
> of course you can do the same with Python) and using the same
> environment for all of my editing and programming tasks.

I've used Emacs for a long time, but I think I might be going back to
Vim 7.0 now that they improved the scripting functionality with *real*
arrays and dicts. In some respects, this is now better than in Emacs,
where the hash functionality is...well...cumbersome at best.

Main reason would be that Vim is so much easier to customize and find
things in than Emacs. I long time ago, I actually submitted a bug
report for the perl plugin  I hate to appeal to popularity, but Vim's
greater popularity also contributes to higher quality in a number of
cases: consider Ruby support for instance. Light years ahead of what
Emacs has.

vimshell is a (nearly) full-blown terminal emulator facility for Vim
http://www.wana.at/vimshell/

In any case, chok dee khrab (good luck with it).

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ramon Diaz-Uriarte]

On 27 Oct 2006 12:14:57 -0700, Adam Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> emacs
>

(...)

> > It would be fine for a begginer, right?
>
> Probably not. I think you have to spend enough time with environments


Actually, I've read similar things before and I don't quite get it. I
guess all of us are Emacs begginers the first time we try emacs.
Actually, I started using Emacs about 1 month after installing Linux;
what hooked me was the possibility of editing code AND submit it to an
inferior process, just like that (this I experienced first with R, but
of course you can do the same with Python) and using the same
environment for all of my editing and programming tasks.

R.





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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Tim Chase]

>> What's your favorite IDE?
> 
> emacs
> 
>> What do you like about it?
> 
> It does just about everything. It can edit just about every kind of
> code I use, read my mail, connection to irc ... everything. Well,
> except order pizza, but I think it might be possible to make that
> happen as well.


Well, if it doesn't have it built in, you can always shell out to 
use this program:

http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/

:)

-tkc


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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Adam Jones]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
> I'm looking for experienced advocates.
>
> What's your favorite IDE?

emacs

> What do you like about it?

It does just about everything. It can edit just about every kind of
code I use, read my mail, connection to irc ... everything. Well,
except order pizza, but I think it might be possible to make that
happen as well.

> It would be fine for a begginer, right?

Probably not. I think you have to spend enough time with environments
that don't let you integrate everything into the editor before you can
really understand why people love emacs (and vi) so much.

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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Fabio Zadrozny]

On 10/26/06, Michael B. Trausch  wrote:
Kenneth McDonald wrote:>> With the most recent edition of PyDev, I find Eclipse works quite well
> for me.>Since you mentioned it, I have a question that searching around andpoking around has not solved for me, yet.Do you have auto-completion working with your setup?  It does not seem
to work at all for me.  I have read through the configuration help, andthere are no firewalls on my system at all, and everything else workssave for auto-completion, which I have had to disable.  If left enabled,
even with low timeouts, I have to kill Eclipse and start it again.  :-/
Do you have some firewall on? There was a report
(http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1509582&group_id=85796&atid=577329
)
in which the problem was actually a misconfiguration when creating
local-loops (accessing 127.0.0.1) in linux. If this is not your
problem, please create a bug-report -- check
http://pydev.sf.net/faq.html#ref_0 for bug-writing guidelines.

Cheers,

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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Éric Daigneault]

olive wrote:

> > Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> > 
>   
>> >> Yep.  Still does it.
>> 
> > 
> > I'm running PyDev 1.2.4 without completion problem so far.
> > 
> > Are you up to date ?
> > 
> > Maybe you should install the latest from scratch.
> > 
>   
>
>Yep, I am up to date.  As I said, I am totally confused.
>
>   -- Mike

I run the latest pydev on both windows and linux...  The setup is excatcly the 
same (on the eclipse, path setup and all)  

My windows setup is much better at auto-complete that the linux setup...  In 
linux, other than with self, I seldom get auto complete on other classes.  In 
windows it sometimes can figure out to what class belong the instance and 
propose appropriate choices...

Caus of my present workload I gave up trying to make it work...  

E :D.


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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Michael B. Trausch]

olive wrote:
> Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> 
>> Yep.  Still does it.
> 
> I'm running PyDev 1.2.4 without completion problem so far.
> 
> Are you up to date ?
> 
> Maybe you should install the latest from scratch.
> 

Yep, I am up to date.  As I said, I am totally confused.

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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[olive]

Michael B. Trausch wrote:

> Yep.  Still does it.

I'm running PyDev 1.2.4 without completion problem so far.

Are you up to date ?

Maybe you should install the latest from scratch.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I just meant that I was going to bed and didn't have time to do it the
same night. I'll see if I can make it work, use it forever . . . I'll
do it.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

What I mean was that it was late and I needed sleep. I'll work with
Vim, but it's not like I can spend a week learning it anyway, I don't
have that much time AND time to actualy program. And thanks all to have
posted suggestions and comments thus far.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ben Finney]

Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Yeah, it was all the customizing that I could never figure out.
>
> years ago this worked for people I was supporting:
>  set softtabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab

That's all I've ever needed vim to do with my Python code (apart from
the syntax highlighting, which works by default when I've tried it).

> Personally, I'm an emacs guy, so I wouldn't know.

Should I start another thread about python-mode and how annoying it is?

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Harry George]

John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Neil Cerutti wrote:
> > On 2006-10-26, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.
> >> Warning: Vim isn't something you just "try tomorrow"  :)
> > You can become proficient enough for basic editing in about 20
> > minutes with the built-in tutorial.
> > Getting it to work seemlessly with Python code will take
> > considerably longer.
> >
> 
> Yeah, it was all the customizing that I could never figure out.

years ago this worked for people I was supporting:
 set softtabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab

Personally, I'm an emacs guy, so I wouldn't know.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Stephen Eilert]

BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> >> Vim
> >> you'll be frustrated for about a week,
>
> You'll be frustrated for at least two weeks. But you'll use it forever
> for everything from writing to programming, so who cares?
>
> Auto completion is called omni completion in VIM
>
> type ':h new-omni-completion' at the command line after two weeks of
> frustration.
>
> rd

As others said, you'll learn new stuff every day. I never knew about
this omni-completion thing until today, and I'm using VIM almost every
day.

Go figure.

Once you generate a tags file, navigation becomes easy. I never managed
to invoke Python inside VIM as a "compiler" tho. The fact that you can
create scripts for VIM in Python is also a plus.


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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Michael B. Trausch]

olive wrote:
> 
> Did you try to set your PYTHONPATH properly with the same content in
> both central AND project preferences ?
> 

Yep.  Still does it.  And the kicker is, that it does it with things
that it shouldn't have to wonder terribly much about -- classes that I
have custom-built, where it can easily find the available methods and
the like.  *shrugs*

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[John Salerno]

Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2006-10-26, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.
>> Warning: Vim isn't something you just "try tomorrow"  :)
> 
> You can become proficient enough for basic editing in about 20
> minutes with the built-in tutorial.
> 
> Getting it to work seemlessly with Python code will take
> considerably longer.
> 

Yeah, it was all the customizing that I could never figure out.
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Re: PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[olive]

Michael B. Trausch a écrit :

> Kenneth McDonald wrote:
> >
> > With the most recent edition of PyDev, I find Eclipse works quite well
> > for me.
> >
>
> Since you mentioned it, I have a question that searching around and
> poking around has not solved for me, yet.
>
> Do you have auto-completion working with your setup?  It does not seem
> to work at all for me.

Did you try to set your PYTHONPATH properly with the same content in
both central AND project preferences ?

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PyDev + Eclipse (Was: Re: What's the best IDE?)

[Michael B. Trausch]

Kenneth McDonald wrote:
>
> With the most recent edition of PyDev, I find Eclipse works quite well
> for me.
> 

Since you mentioned it, I have a question that searching around and
poking around has not solved for me, yet.

Do you have auto-completion working with your setup?  It does not seem
to work at all for me.  I have read through the configuration help, and
there are no firewalls on my system at all, and everything else works
save for auto-completion, which I have had to disable.  If left enabled,
even with low timeouts, I have to kill Eclipse and start it again.  :-/

Other than that, I find that it is absolutely wonderful.  I have used
Eclipse in the past for PHP based projects, and intend on using it for
Java projects in the future (my school has Java classes in its
curriculum instead of C classes... joy).

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Neil Cerutti]

On 2006-10-26, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.
>
> Warning: Vim isn't something you just "try tomorrow"  :)

You can become proficient enough for basic editing in about 20
minutes with the built-in tutorial.

Getting it to work seemlessly with Python code will take
considerably longer.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[John Salerno]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.

Warning: Vim isn't something you just "try tomorrow"  :)
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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Colin J. Williams]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I have
> are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until I'm going
> to college. Any free AND good IDEs?
> 
PyScripter has already been suggested.  It is both of these.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Colin J. Williams]

Josh Bloom wrote:
> I'm not going to call it the 'best' ide as thats just silly.
> 
> But if your developing on Windows pyscripter 
> http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductId=4 is a great IDE.
> 
> -Josh
> 
+1

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RE:What's the best IDE?

[Éric Daigneault]

/What's your favorite IDE?/

Eclipse with pydev and extentions, and subclipse for subversion
/
What do you like about it?
/When I started Python I tried a whole bunch of IDEs, Komodo, Idle, active 
state but got tired by having to learn to navigate through a new environment, 
so I settled for PyDev and Eclipse./

/Cause I know it well (used it for java since it`s beta pre release baby 
versions) and can use the same environment for my C++ (CDT), Java, python (Now 
that for me is a major +)...  I oftenly use python as a glue for different 
small apps and I do like the idea of staying in the same environment for all of 
them, feels like good'ol slippers.  Plus since I use SCons for building most my 
C++ apps it's just dandy.

This being said it is not great, the completion sometimes works in mysterious 
ways,  The pydev Extentions nag screen can be annoying (note to self :  gotta 
buy the thing...), some of the automations can be weirdly unproductive and 
there are probably better python dedicated environment out there but I like it, 
it suits my needs.  However for small hit and run in the code there is nothing 
like (ViM, Idle, notepad, JPad ) as it is 
very oftenly over with before the splash screen of  ever left 
the screen.

/It would be fine for a begginer, right?
/If you know Eclipse already then it is a good bet, If not but want an IDE that 
can be a good swiss army knife *AND* have time to space to learn the 
environment then it is an excellent choice.  

But sincerely, I learned python with Idle and the interactive shell, I did not 
feel I coule really appreciate what An IDE had to offer me before I really knew 
what the language could do for me, how it did it and why I would do it with it.

Enough to have to learn a language to be bothered to learn an environment, I 
mean unless you actually like the exilierating feeling of being a newbie all 
across the board ;-).  

However with Python after you have read the quick card 
(http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/pointal/python/pqrc/) and poke it with the 
interactive shell for a couple of hours you'll be (almost) as expert as all the 
regulars here :-P...



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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Kenneth McDonald]

With the most recent edition of PyDev, I find Eclipse works quite well 
for me.

Ken

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
> I'm looking for experienced advocates.
>
> What's your favorite IDE?
> What do you like about it?
> It would be fine for a begginer, right?
>
>   

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[BartlebyScrivener]

>> Vim
>> you'll be frustrated for about a week,

You'll be frustrated for at least two weeks. But you'll use it forever
for everything from writing to programming, so who cares?

Auto completion is called omni completion in VIM

type ':h new-omni-completion' at the command line after two weeks of
frustration.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

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Before that, I mentioned I was trying to make a text adventure, from
scratch to add more clarity.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ben Finney]

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> this has revieled I no nothing about parsing or classes. Both are
> required to make an IDE I believe.

Are you trying to make an IDE, or choose an existing one?

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Re: What's the best IDE?

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That's surely an idea, but I'm not to that point yet. Right not I'm
struggling to understand a text adventure, and because I wanted to try
it my own at it (before using a tutorial), this has revieled I no
nothing about parsing or classes. Both are required to make an IDE I
believe.

As for UliPad . . . AWSOME! I love it, more than WinPy even . . . and I
can't get WinPy to work at the moment, but I think I just need to
reinstall Python2.5. Although customizing your syntax highlighting is a
little difficult. I think it's really cool, and is so far at the top of
my list, as I have yet to try Vim - maybe I'll try tomarrow.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[tom arnall]

Ben Finney wrote:

> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I
>> have are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until
>> I'm going to college. Any free AND good IDEs?
> 
> Please consider trying Python with a powerful editor, instead of a
> just-for-Python environment. Knowing a powerful editor is a far better
> investment than a complex tool for a single purpose.

Amen. 

As an alternative to the IDE straight-jacket you might consider going the
unit-testing/'live code' route, which obviates the need for a debugger and
other clutter found in all of the IDEs i've seen. Also, you might think
about writing your own unit-tester. It's not difficult in python and will
give you a setup tailored to your own tastes. But whatever you do, keep
things simple and light.


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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> What's your favorite IDE?
Vim

> What do you like about it?
If you are a very good typist you can rock with Vim.  Vi and variants
are on _every_ Unix system.  It's highly configurable, syntax
highlighting, supports scripting with Python.

> It would be fine for a begginer, right?
Not really, you'll be frustrated for about a week, you'll be productive
after that, from then on you'll keep on learning new things all the
time.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Ben Finney]

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I
> have are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until
> I'm going to college. Any free AND good IDEs?

Please consider trying Python with a powerful editor, instead of a
just-for-Python environment. Knowing a powerful editor is a far better
investment than a complex tool for a single purpose.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Duncan Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I have
> are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until I'm going
> to college. Any free AND good IDEs?
> 

http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Gabriel Genellina]

At Wednesday 25/10/2006 21:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I have
are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until I'm going
to college. Any free AND good IDEs?


There is a list at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
Or use Google Groups to search this group for "best IDE" - once a 
month someone comes and ask that same question again and again so 
you'll find plenty of responses...



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Re: What's the best IDE?

[limodou]

On 25 Oct 2006 17:20:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I have
> are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until I'm going
> to college. Any free AND good IDEs?
>
I think most of wxPython IDE are good. I prefer UliPad, because I'm
the author of it, you can find the link from my signature. It's cross
platform, and many features. It has not embed debuger in it now, so
you can use winpdb to debug your program. It support auco-complete in
editing and also provide a shell window also support auto-complete.
And the auco-complete in editing is more powerful.

Other good wxPython IDE should be SPE, drPython, PyPE, etc.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

After researching Komodo, I found it's not free. The only funds I have
are a college fund, and I can't start diping into that until I'm going
to college. Any free AND good IDEs?

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Neil Cerutti]

On 2006-10-26, Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems like the holy wars are pretty. We disciples of Vim and
> Emacs are now content merely being holier than all he others.
>
> Actually, I'm not sure there's been a good Emacs VS Vim holy war
> in years. So... ya know what's I find to be shamefully
> hatefully orthodox?  Believing in the 'meta' key, when it's
> clearly just Alt. Those same people often hold to the heresy
> that 'to fill' means 'to wrap'. They believe that modes exist
> for different 'languages', and moreover, that there's more than
> just the trinity of INSERT, EDIT and COMMAND-LINE.

The above post brought to you by the "Bureau of Dumb Jokes Made
Incomprehensible by Horrible Editing Department".

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Neil Cerutti]

On 2006-10-25, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
>> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
>> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
>> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
>> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
>> I'm looking for experienced advocates.
> >
>> What's your favorite IDE?
> emacs
>
>> What do you like about it?
> 1. It's so complicated and ugly that just using it is enough to makes 
> you look like a seasonned pro.
> 2. It gives me a reason to engage in holy wars with vim users.

It seems like the holy wars are pretty. We disciples of Vim and
Emacs are now content merely being holier than all he others.

Actually, I'm not sure there's been a good Emacs VS Vim holy war
in years. So... ya know what's I find to be shamefully hatefully
orthodox?  Believing in the 'meta' key, when it's clearly just
Alt. Those same people often hold to the heresy that 'to fill'
means 'to wrap'. They believe that modes exist for different
'languages', and moreover, that there's more than just the
trinity of INSERT, EDIT and COMMAND-LINE.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

PS: Search engine . . . I knew this had probably come up very often,
but I get it's pretty silly of me that I didn't utilize this.

And while I was posting another mark for Komodo came. Nice, is it.

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> I don't really have a good answer here, but maybe a data point.  I got
> tired of waiting for ActiveState to put out a Python 2.5 and installed
> the one from python.org instead, which doesn't include PythonWin.  I
> figured that I should take the opportunity to try out Komodo, which I'd
> heard was pretty good.  I downloaded the alpha and used it for about
> half a month.  Komodo's interface is pretty good, and when you're
> writing code in a module, the auto-completion is great, but there's no
> auto-completion at the interactive prompt.  I use the interactive prompt
> heavily, so that was pretty much the end of it for me. I downloaded the
> pywin32 module and got my PythonWin back. =)
>
> STeVe

Komodo sounds alright. I don't use the interactive promt much anyway, I
usually just copy and past stuff from my real code to see if it works.

Any more advocates?
I forgot to mention that auto-completion is my favorite little helper.
Any IDEs of astronomical proportions in relation to ease of use to
auto-completion?

Also:
Links to what you suggest?

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[mkPyVS]

I perform python development for cross platform firmware integration
and analysis on a daily basis and the IDE I use and recommend is Komodo
from ActiveState. Our worldwide development group (30) has recently all
purchased the professional version as it integrates with several
version control systems, has a built-in python debugger, a
mutli-language/package GUI builder, and in-line code
lookup/auto-complete functionality. There are a few nice-to-haves which
aren't available such as: C (++, # or otherwise) auto-complete and
alternate py-documentation viewer but the pros far outweighed the cons
for our development team.
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?tn=1

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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Josh Bloom]

I'm not going to call it the 'best' ide as thats just silly. But if your developing on Windows pyscripter http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductId=4
 is a great IDE. -JoshOn 10/25/06, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So> I'm looking for experienced advocates. >> What's your favorite IDE?emacs> What do you like about it?1. It's so complicated and ugly that just using it is enough to makes
you look like a seasonned pro.2. It gives me a reason to engage in holy wars with vim users.> It would be fine for a begginer, right?Certainly not.But you may want to look for other advices:
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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
> I'm looking for experienced advocates.
 >
> What's your favorite IDE?
emacs

> What do you like about it?
1. It's so complicated and ugly that just using it is enough to makes 
you look like a seasonned pro.
2. It gives me a reason to engage in holy wars with vim users.

> It would be fine for a begginer, right?
Certainly not.

But you may want to look for other advices:
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Re: What's the best IDE?

[Steven Bethard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
> Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
> helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
> reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
> long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
> I'm looking for experienced advocates.
> 
> What's your favorite IDE?
> What do you like about it?
> It would be fine for a begginer, right?

I don't really have a good answer here, but maybe a data point.  I got 
tired of waiting for ActiveState to put out a Python 2.5 and installed 
the one from python.org instead, which doesn't include PythonWin.  I 
figured that I should take the opportunity to try out Komodo, which I'd 
heard was pretty good.  I downloaded the alpha and used it for about 
half a month.  Komodo's interface is pretty good, and when you're 
writing code in a module, the auto-completion is great, but there's no 
auto-completion at the interactive prompt.  I use the interactive prompt 
heavily, so that was pretty much the end of it for me. I downloaded the 
pywin32 module and got my PythonWin back. =)

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What's the best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Recently I've had some problems with PythonWin when I switched to
Py2.5, tooka long hiatus, and came back. So now I'm without my god sent
helper, and I'm looking for a cool replacement, or some advocation to
reinstall/setup PyWin. But the Python website's list is irrefutably
long. It would take a month or two to test all of those products. So
I'm looking for experienced advocates.

What's your favorite IDE?
What do you like about it?
It would be fine for a begginer, right?

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Re: Best IDE?

[Christoph Haas]

On Saturday 14 October 2006 00:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ahmer wrote:
> > What do you guys use?
>
> vim
>
> Like:
>
> Built-in python interpreter so you can do any editor customizations in
> Python
> Good multilanguage support (Python, but also C, C++, Java, HTML, XML,
> SQL, and dozens of others)
> FAST
> Good code navigation via smart tags
> Does intelligent completion of module members, methods, etc
> Python syntax checking on the fly (e.g. typing "if a=1:" and hitting
> enter flags the error immediately)
> Class browsing support (whatever I'm editing, there's a class menu to
> either pop up to the parent(s), down to children, or jump around
> various methods within the class)
> Automatically show function/method docstrings/leading comments (and
> documentation for standard functions), synopsis in the status bar or
> full text in a popup window if you hit F1
> Configurable project support so for large projects it is smart about
> which parts of the source tree might be relevant to what I'm working on
> right now
> Runs in text-mode or GUI, so I can use the same editor making quick
> edits over ssh that I use in my on-desktop development
>
> Hate:
> Required a lot of customization to get all of the above

I have browsed many vim plugins. Still I couldn't find everything you gush 
about. I would love to have the comfort of vim with the smartness of 
ipython. Could you give a few pointers to a curious geek with too much 
spare time on how you did all this? I couldn't even get ctags working 
satisfyingly.

Cheers
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Re: Best IDE?

[limodou]

On 10/14/06, Fulvio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Friday 13 October 2006 23:17, limodou wrote:
> > hope you try it.
>
> If you'll manage for macro recording, playing back and from file then I'll be
> yours :)
>
> F
>
I'll add this funcationality at 3.6 version. And I want to release 3.5
as soon as I can.

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Re: Best IDE?

[BartlebyScrivener]

Fuzzyman wrote:

> Hmm... only 31 results over a period of 8 years. That's a couple of
> orders of magnitude less than I would have guessed.

Well, if you take the quotes off of "best ide" then you get 342.

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Re: Best IDE?

[robert]

Ahmer wrote:
> What do you guys use?
> Why?
> What do you like and hate about it?
> What platform(s) is it avalable on?
> How much does it cost?
> etc.

On Windows...

I uninstalled Komodo (several times; fat, crashes, slow debugger ...)
I uninstalled Wing
I uninstalled Boa
I uninstalled PythonWorks (does it still exist?)
I uninstalled SPE (nice homework, but bugs and no continuity)
...

I still live with good old Pythonwin coming with the win32all package by 
default.
Its fast, direct, no rubbish, extensible/open source, keys go 
efficiently the way you know from MS / Borland, the joint in-thread 
debugger & interactive is a plus for iteratively evolving python code 
(from scripts to bigger apps) at high speed.

On *nix I didn't invest in learning one.
Maybe eric3 (is there similar confusion as with Boa?)

Generally I'd say: Python is a language so good that at best it IS 
itself the IDE. Tools should be around a main interactive prompt, which 
carries forth life status. This paradigm allows for best tool automation 
(and integration of different tools) and code iteration.
Thus: Python should use the (IDE) tools - And NOT: the IDE uses Python 
(as one is accustomed to in compiler langs)

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Re: Best IDE?

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On Friday 13 October 2006 23:17, limodou wrote:
> hope you try it.

If you'll manage for macro recording, playing back and from file then I'll be 
yours :)

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Re: Best IDE?

[Fuzzyman]

BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> Ahmer wrote:
> > What do you guys use?
> > Why?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybg6p5
>

Hmm... only 31 results over a period of 8 years. That's a couple of
orders of magnitude less than I would have guessed.

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk

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Re: Best IDE?

[Neil Cerutti]

On 2006-10-13, Gerrit Holl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2006-10-13 16:31:37 +0200, Ahmer wrote:
>> Subject: Best IDE?
>
> cat > foo.py
>
>> How much does it cost?
>
> 0

On Windows this editor is invoked like this:

COPY CON: FOO.PY

HTH! HAND!

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Re: Best IDE?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Ahmer wrote:
> What do you guys use?
vim

> What platform(s) is it avalable on?

Windows, Unix/Linux, Mac, Amiga, others

> How much does it cost?

Free, and the source is open too.

> Why?
> What do you like and hate about it?

Like:

Built-in python interpreter so you can do any editor customizations in
Python
Good multilanguage support (Python, but also C, C++, Java, HTML, XML,
SQL, and dozens of others)
FAST
Good code navigation via smart tags
Does intelligent completion of module members, methods, etc
Python syntax checking on the fly (e.g. typing "if a=1:" and hitting
enter flags the error immediately)
Class browsing support (whatever I'm editing, there's a class menu to
either pop up to the parent(s), down to children, or jump around
various methods within the class)
Automatically show function/method docstrings/leading comments (and
documentation for standard functions), synopsis in the status bar or
full text in a popup window if you hit F1
Configurable project support so for large projects it is smart about
which parts of the source tree might be relevant to what I'm working on
right now
Runs in text-mode or GUI, so I can use the same editor making quick
edits over ssh that I use in my on-desktop development

Hate:
Required a lot of customization to get all of the above

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Re: Best IDE?

[Gerrit Holl]

On 2006-10-13 16:31:37 +0200, Ahmer wrote:
> Subject: Best IDE?

cat > foo.py

> How much does it cost?

0
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Re: Best IDE?

[Bernard]

hey thanks limodou,

I'm trying it out right now and it works pretty well!

SPE has been crashing often lately so count on me to use it frequently.


Bernard

limodou wrote:
> On 10/13/06, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 13 Oct 2006 07:37:07 -0700, Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > IDE : SPE (Stani's python editor) : http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
> > > Why?: because this IDE is not complicated. it ships with a debugger, a
> > > gui designer, a source code checker and a regex console.
> > > Like: obviously everything
> > > Hate: sometimes it doesn't start on windows 2000
> > > Platform: Windows, Linux, Mac
> > > cost: free but I'll donate some money because I like it
> >
> > Will definitely give it a look.
> >
> Maybe you could also check out UliPad to try it. Many features UliPad
> also have, and it also shipped with
>
> * directory browser
> * multi-view
> * multi-language highlight support, like: python, javascript, css, html, etc
> * simple project support bind with directory browser
> * commands searching
> * live regular expression searching, type regex, and you'll see the
> result immediately
> * session manager
> * i18n
> * input assistant, support call tips, '.' hint, and auto-complete, for
> example: you type
>
>   def then it'll expand to def ():
> * many plugins, for example spell check, if you install pyenchant module
> * others things
>
> hope you try it.
>
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Re: Best IDE?

[Theerasak Photha]

On 13 Oct 2006 19:37:57 +0200, Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Disadvantages:
>
> * Totally configurable.

I invested a lot of time in Emacs and Vim before that...I still use
Vim over SSH (and its Ruby support is the best of the two IMO)

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Re: Best IDE?

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/13/06, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2006-10-13, Ahmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What do you guys use?
>
> jed along with bash et. al.

Jed I must admit is nice. Especially since they added UTF-8 support.

> > etc.
>
> 42

LOL

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Re: Best IDE?

[Neil Cerutti]

On 2006-10-13, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use GNU Emacs 22 and a screen session.
>
> Advantages:
>
> * Comprehensive, comprehensive, comprehensive...tags support,
> Subversion integration, syntax highlighting, sophisticated
> indentation, whatever I want basically
> * Resource-light, contrary to the preconceived opinions some have of Emacs
> * Keyboard-oriented; ergonomic and fast (Xfce is set up to switch
> desktops by key as well)
> * Available on any major platform that you would want to use Python on
> * And it's free

* Totally configurable.

> Disadvantages:
>
> * No UI builder...for this you can use Glade or maybe Boa Constructor
> * Not many else...none other that I can think of right now, actually

* Totally configurable.

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Re: Best IDE?

[William Heymann]

On Friday 13 October 2006 08:29, Ahmer wrote:
> What do you guys use?
Kdevelop 3
> Why?
It has good project management, good highlighting and since it is a kde app it 
supports ioslaves (means I can work with a resource from any location 
trasnparently like opening up files via sftp)

> What do you like and hate about it?
I can't think of anything that I hate about it. It has worked fine for me for 
a long time. It starts quickly, doesn't use much memory, the search features 
work well etc. It does pretty much all the things I need and care about.

> What platform(s) is it avalable on?
Anything that will run KDE so pretty much all the unixes.

> How much does it cost?
Nothing

> etc.
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Re: Best IDE?

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Ahmer wrote:

=> Re: Best IDE?

Strange enough, this is kind of a *very* frequently asked question...

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Re: Best IDE?

[limodou]

On 10/13/06, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2006 07:37:07 -0700, Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > IDE : SPE (Stani's python editor) : http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
> > Why?: because this IDE is not complicated. it ships with a debugger, a
> > gui designer, a source code checker and a regex console.
> > Like: obviously everything
> > Hate: sometimes it doesn't start on windows 2000
> > Platform: Windows, Linux, Mac
> > cost: free but I'll donate some money because I like it
>
> Will definitely give it a look.
>
Maybe you could also check out UliPad to try it. Many features UliPad
also have, and it also shipped with

* directory browser
* multi-view
* multi-language highlight support, like: python, javascript, css, html, etc
* simple project support bind with directory browser
* commands searching
* live regular expression searching, type regex, and you'll see the
result immediately
* session manager
* i18n
* input assistant, support call tips, '.' hint, and auto-complete, for
example: you type

  def then it'll expand to def ():
* many plugins, for example spell check, if you install pyenchant module
* others things

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Re: Best IDE?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2006-10-13, Ahmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What do you guys use?

jed along with bash et. al.

> Why?

Because it's efficient and it's what I use for all other
languages.

> What do you like and hate about it?

If there was something I hated about it, I wouldn't use it.

> What platform(s) is it avalable on?

Unix/Linux and Win32.

> How much does it cost?

Nothing.

> etc.

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Re: Best IDE?

[Theerasak Photha]

On 13 Oct 2006 07:37:07 -0700, Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IDE : SPE (Stani's python editor) : http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
> Why?: because this IDE is not complicated. it ships with a debugger, a
> gui designer, a source code checker and a regex console.
> Like: obviously everything
> Hate: sometimes it doesn't start on windows 2000
> Platform: Windows, Linux, Mac
> cost: free but I'll donate some money because I like it

Will definitely give it a look.

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Re: Best IDE?

[BartlebyScrivener]

Ahmer wrote:
> What do you guys use?
> Why?

http://tinyurl.com/ybg6p5

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Re: Best IDE?

[Bernard]

IDE : SPE (Stani's python editor) : http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
Why?: because this IDE is not complicated. it ships with a debugger, a
gui designer, a source code checker and a regex console.
Like: obviously everything
Hate: sometimes it doesn't start on windows 2000
Platform: Windows, Linux, Mac
cost: free but I'll donate some money because I like it

Ahmer wrote:
> What do you guys use?
> Why?
> What do you like and hate about it?
> What platform(s) is it avalable on?
> How much does it cost?
> etc.

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Re: Best IDE?

[Theerasak Photha]

On 13 Oct 2006 07:29:09 -0700, Ahmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you guys use?
> Why?
> What do you like and hate about it?
> What platform(s) is it avalable on?
> How much does it cost?
> etc.

I use GNU Emacs 22 and a screen session.

Advantages:

* Comprehensive, comprehensive, comprehensive...tags support,
Subversion integration, syntax highlighting, sophisticated
indentation, whatever I want basically
* Resource-light, contrary to the preconceived opinions some have of Emacs
* Keyboard-oriented; ergonomic and fast (Xfce is set up to switch
desktops by key as well)
* Available on any major platform that you would want to use Python on
* And it's free

Disadvantages:

* No UI builder...for this you can use Glade or maybe Boa Constructor
* Not many else...none other that I can think of right now, actually

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Best IDE?

[Ahmer]

What do you guys use?
Why?
What do you like and hate about it?
What platform(s) is it avalable on?
How much does it cost?
etc.

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Dr. Pastor]

Thank you Sir.
I downloaded SPE from the main site.
Installed on Windows XP.
Regards.


Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Dr. Pastor enlightened us with:
>> Please advise how to uninstal SPE.
> 
> First you'll have to tell us how you installed it in the first place.
> Without that, we can only guess.
> 
> Sybren

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Dr. Pastor]

Please advise how to uninstal SPE.
Regards,
Dr. Pastor.


jelle wrote:
> I think SPE is a terrible complete and efficient IDE!
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Re: Best IDE for Python

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Please could you tell me how to uninstal SPE?
Regards.

jelle wrote:
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Simone Murdock]

On 14 Aug 2006 15:04:41 -0700, "Tryker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Gotta love PyScripter. Light, easy to use, free.
>http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4

I agree: I'm trying it only from 4 days the beta version 1.6 and it's
good (some little problems, normal for a beta version, that I'll write
them).

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Bruce Who wrote:
> Hi, sjdevnull
>
> I'm a vimmer too, and I wonder what plugins you are using. What you
> said sounds interesting. Could you tell us more about the plugins?
> "Object browser" is what I need most, but so far I've no idea what
> plugin can do this for me, :-(

It's like a 15 minute job to write something basic.

Mine's a little more complicated since I deal with ugly things like
finding the parent class in cases like:

import generic.base.klass
...
BaseKlass = generic.base.klass.someKlass
...
class newKlass(BaseKlass):

and similar constructs.  I use the following in my vimrc:

"you might need to add directories to sys.path before the following
line
"probably also wand to bracket parts of it in 'if have("gui_running")'
python import vimrc
au GUIEnter * py vimrc.tags.fakeTagsMenu()
au BufEnter *.py aunmenu Tags
au BufEnter *.py py vimrc.tags.buildMenu()
au BufLeave *.py menu disable Ta&gs
au BufEnter * py vimrc.tags.fakeTagsMenu()

And then I have a vimrc.py with, among other things:
--
import tags
import os
import vim
def cur_x():
return vim.current.window.cursor[1]
def cur_y():
return vim.current.window.cursor[0]
def relativePath(absolutePath):
cwd = os.getcwd()
if absolutePath.startswith(cwd):
absolutePath = absolutePath[len(cwd):]
while absolutePath[0] == '/':
absolutePath = absolutePath[1:]
return absolutePath
return absolutePath
--
And a tags.py:
--
#!/usr/bin/python
try:
import vim
import vimrc
except:
pass

def findParentClass(currLoc = None, showMenu=0, allLines=None):
if not allLines:
allLines = vim.current.buffer
if currLoc == None:
currLoc = vimrc.cur_y()
lines = [ line for line in allLines[:currLoc] if
line.startswith("class ") ]if len(lines) == 0:
lines = [ line for line in allLines[currLoc:] if
line.startswith("class
") ]
else:
lines.reverse()
if len(lines) == 0:
return None

try:
klass = lines[0].split("(", 1)[1].split(")")[0]
except:
return None
currKlass = lines[0].split(" ", 1)[1]
currKlass = currKlass.split(":")[0]
try:
currKlass = currKlass.split("(")[0]
except:
pass

renameLines = []
for i in range(len(allLines)):
line = allLines[i]
while line.endswith("\\"):
line = line[:-1] + allLines[i+1]
i=i+1
if line.endswith(" as %s" % klass) or line.startswith("%s
="%klass) or line.startswith("%s="%klass):
renameLines.append(line)

if len(renameLines)>0:
parseLine = renameLines[-1]
if parseLine.endswith("as %s"%klass):
klass = parseLine.split(" ")[-3]
else:
klass = parseLine.split(".")[-1]
if "." in klass:
klass = klass.split(".")[-1]
if showMenu:
if klass == currKlass:
generic = "generic"
else:
generic = "none"
vim.command('502menu  Ta&gs.Parent:%s :call
FindTag("%s", "%s")' %(klass, klass, generic))
try:
klass = klass.split(".")[-1]
except:
pass
return klass
def YankLine():
try:
word = vim.current.line
word = word.split(" ")[-1]
except:
return
try:
vim.command("silent tag %s"%word)
except:
return
stuff = vim.current.line
vim.command("normal ^T")
print stuff
def buildChildEntries():
rv = 0
for line in vim.current.buffer:
if line.startswith("class "):
klass = line.split(" ", 1)[1]
try:
klass = klass.split("(")[0]
except:
pass
try:
klass = klass.split(":")[0]
except:
pass
klass = klass.strip()
fileName = vimrc.relativePath(vim.current.buffer.name)
lines = [ line.strip() for line in open("oobr",
"r").readlines() if
line.startswith("%s:"%klass)]
for line in lines:
rv = 1
splitline = line.split(":")
child = splitline[1]
childBase = childFile.split("/")[-1]
childBase = childBase.split(".")[0]
if "_" in childBase and not
fileName.startswith(childBase) and not fileName.startswith("generic")
and not fileName.startswith("libs"):
continue
vim.command('502menu  Ta&gs.Child:%s :call
FindTag("%s","%s")' % (childBase, child, childFile))
vim.command('502menu  Ta&gs.-children- :')
return rv
def editObject():
vim.command(":e object.py")
vim.command(":set buftype=nowrite")
vim.command(":set bufhidden=delete")
vim.command(":set noswapfile")
def buildParentEntries():
foundSome = 0
for i in range(len(vim.current.buffer)):
if vim.current.buffer[i].startswith("class"):
if findParentClass(i, showM

Re: Best IDE for Python

[Andre Meyer]

PyDev is really nice. I use it a lot and it works great.It's just a bit heavy and why should one need a Java IDE for Python development ;-)Another "issue" is the lack of integration with a UML tool (code generation and reverse engineering), though an ArgoUML plugin is in the making (not for eclipse).
btw What Web/XML plugins are you using with eclipse?regardsAndreOn 15 Aug 2006 09:03:44 -0700, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've had a similar experience and tried about everything.  Personally -eclipse with PyDev has been the winner for me.  I also still do a bunchof Java coding - so there is an added benefit of one tool acrosslanguages.  The final thing I really like with eclipse is the svn
plugins - making life very easy.  Also, if your doing web/xml and otherstuff - there is a plugin for eclipse for it ;)  Not all the pluginswork as seemlessly together (i abandon eclipse for the majority of
plone/zope stuff - most of it isn't python - and setting up eclipse tobe happy with the output of archgen has not been worth the bother - I'msure it's possible)PyLint can kind of be a pain if your on a low powered box, but tweaking
the settings (and I had to do a bit of tweaking) can alleviate theproblems, but still let you reap the benefits.AnandYu-Xi Lim wrote:> Michiel Sikma wrote:> > By FOS, do you mean FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)? I've never
> > seen the acronym FOS used.>> Maybe he was trying for "Free Open Source IDE" without the> semi-redundant "Software">> > I personally use Eclipse with PyDev.
> > http://www.eclipse.org/> > http://pydev.sourceforge.net/>> Eclipse+PyDev has the advantage over emacs when it comes to big
> projects, IMO. It has features like refactoring, better project> management, code coverage. emacs has the advantage of being faster and> smaller, and if all you need is a syntax-aware (smart indentation,
> syntax highlighting) editor and integrated debugger, emacs is more than> enough.>> I've tried the other free IDEs like IDLE, SPE, eric3, TruStudio (for> Eclipse), Boa, Komodo, WingIDE. I have various issues with them,
> including instability, poor automatic indentation, bad GUI (too many> subwindows or uncustomizable), costly, no refactoring, and no project> management.>> It's strangely ironic. I consider Eclipse to be a lousy Java IDE
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I've had a similar experience and tried about everything.  Personally -
eclipse with PyDev has been the winner for me.  I also still do a bunch
of Java coding - so there is an added benefit of one tool across
languages.  The final thing I really like with eclipse is the svn
plugins - making life very easy.  Also, if your doing web/xml and other
stuff - there is a plugin for eclipse for it ;)  Not all the plugins
work as seemlessly together (i abandon eclipse for the majority of
plone/zope stuff - most of it isn't python - and setting up eclipse to
be happy with the output of archgen has not been worth the bother - I'm
sure it's possible)

PyLint can kind of be a pain if your on a low powered box, but tweaking
the settings (and I had to do a bit of tweaking) can alleviate the
problems, but still let you reap the benefits.

Anand

Yu-Xi Lim wrote:
> Michiel Sikma wrote:
> > By FOS, do you mean FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)? I've never
> > seen the acronym FOS used.
>
> Maybe he was trying for "Free Open Source IDE" without the
> semi-redundant "Software"
>
> > I personally use Eclipse with PyDev.
> > http://www.eclipse.org/
> > http://pydev.sourceforge.net/
>
> Eclipse+PyDev has the advantage over emacs when it comes to big
> projects, IMO. It has features like refactoring, better project
> management, code coverage. emacs has the advantage of being faster and
> smaller, and if all you need is a syntax-aware (smart indentation,
> syntax highlighting) editor and integrated debugger, emacs is more than
> enough.
>
> I've tried the other free IDEs like IDLE, SPE, eric3, TruStudio (for
> Eclipse), Boa, Komodo, WingIDE. I have various issues with them,
> including instability, poor automatic indentation, bad GUI (too many
> subwindows or uncustomizable), costly, no refactoring, and no project
> management.
>
> It's strangely ironic. I consider Eclipse to be a lousy Java IDE
> especially compared to commercial offerings and yet that's what the
> project started out as.

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Keith Perkins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
>> Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.
>>
>> Cheers
> 
> I like ActiveState's Komodo.  It's heavyweight and not free ($30 for
> the personal edition) but it also supports Perl, Ruby, PHP and TCL.  I
> started using it mostly on Windows but I've used it on Linux more
> recently (and it runs on Solaris and OSX now too).
> It has all the bells and whistles and probably won't appeal too much to
> hardcore emacs/vim people because it is so GUI oriented and nowhere
> near as fast.  Also, it's text editor is similar to the ones you get
> with other popular IDE's like MS DevStudio and Eclipse i.e. not very
> powerful.
> I've used it extensively with Python and it handles whitespace
> indentation beautifully.  I like that it also supports Perl because I
> use Perl quite a bit too.
> That being said, I'm going to give Wing IDE a try at some point soon.
> 
Have you tried SPE (Stani's Python Editor) http://stani.be/python/spe/
Free, and available for Linux, Mac, and Windows.
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
> Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.
>
> Cheers

I like ActiveState's Komodo.  It's heavyweight and not free ($30 for
the personal edition) but it also supports Perl, Ruby, PHP and TCL.  I
started using it mostly on Windows but I've used it on Linux more
recently (and it runs on Solaris and OSX now too).
It has all the bells and whistles and probably won't appeal too much to
hardcore emacs/vim people because it is so GUI oriented and nowhere
near as fast.  Also, it's text editor is similar to the ones you get
with other popular IDE's like MS DevStudio and Eclipse i.e. not very
powerful.
I've used it extensively with Python and it handles whitespace
indentation beautifully.  I like that it also supports Perl because I
use Perl quite a bit too.
That being said, I'm going to give Wing IDE a try at some point soon.

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Tyronem]

Yep thanks all for your replies. and yes i meant free and open source
software, left an s out :)
Tryker wrote:
> Gotta love PyScripter. Light, easy to use, free.
> http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
> > Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.
> > 
> > Cheers

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Bruce Who]

Hi, sjdevnull

I'm a vimmer too, and I wonder what plugins you are using. What you
said sounds interesting. Could you tell us more about the plugins?
"Object browser" is what I need most, but so far I've no idea what
plugin can do this for me, :-(

On 14 Aug 2006 15:02:13 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yu-Xi Lim wrote:
> > Eclipse+PyDev has the advantage over emacs when it comes to big
> > projects, IMO. It has features like refactoring, better project
> > management, code coverage
>
> Emacs and vim both have good integration of BicycleRepairMan for python
> refactoring.  I don't know what better project management or code
> coverage in eclipse entail, but I've posted before that if you think
> vim/emacs are just syntax highlighting/indenting text editors you've
> got them misconfigured.
>
> The beautiful thing about vim in particular is that it uses Python as
> an internal scripting language, so it's very easy to extend it to add
> whatever you want.
>
> e.g. in vim I get
> * Syntax checking, if I type invalid python code it gets highlighted as
> an error (if I type, say, "if a=1:" and hit return, it gets highlighted
> since I need an == there).
> * Object browser, with dropdowns showing the parent and child classes
> of the current class, and the ability to jump to various class methods
> * Normal tag-jump stuff, so I can drill down into the method/function
> call I'm looking at and then pop back up (keeping a stack so I can
> drill down arbitrarily deep to follow the flow of the code)
> * Interactive help, so when, say, I type foo.blah( then the status line
> displays the first line of the docstring/python doc/preceding comment
> for foo.blah.  E.g. if I type "cmp(" then the status line shows "cmp(x,
> y) Compare the two objects X and Y and return an integer according to
> ..." and if I hit F1 then I get the full help text
> * Editor control for uncaught errors--if I code I'm debugging raises an
> uncaught exception, the editor jumps directly to it.  Even works for
> web development, if I hit a page in my dev server that raises an
> exception, it brings my editor right there.
>
> and lots more (version control integration, easy mapping of keys to
> restart the webserver after I make changes, etc).  And there's some
> internal crap (e.g. we work on lots of clients who have client-specific
> versions of some objects; I have a client menu so that if I pick one,
> then I'll jump to their client-specific version of the current file (or
> the base generic version if there isn't a specific one), tags will
> follow the right client versions, etc).
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Tryker]

Gotta love PyScripter. Light, easy to use, free.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
> Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.
> 
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yu-Xi Lim wrote:
> Eclipse+PyDev has the advantage over emacs when it comes to big
> projects, IMO. It has features like refactoring, better project
> management, code coverage

Emacs and vim both have good integration of BicycleRepairMan for python
refactoring.  I don't know what better project management or code
coverage in eclipse entail, but I've posted before that if you think
vim/emacs are just syntax highlighting/indenting text editors you've
got them misconfigured.

The beautiful thing about vim in particular is that it uses Python as
an internal scripting language, so it's very easy to extend it to add
whatever you want.

e.g. in vim I get
* Syntax checking, if I type invalid python code it gets highlighted as
an error (if I type, say, "if a=1:" and hit return, it gets highlighted
since I need an == there).
* Object browser, with dropdowns showing the parent and child classes
of the current class, and the ability to jump to various class methods
* Normal tag-jump stuff, so I can drill down into the method/function
call I'm looking at and then pop back up (keeping a stack so I can
drill down arbitrarily deep to follow the flow of the code)
* Interactive help, so when, say, I type foo.blah( then the status line
displays the first line of the docstring/python doc/preceding comment
for foo.blah.  E.g. if I type "cmp(" then the status line shows "cmp(x,
y) Compare the two objects X and Y and return an integer according to
..." and if I hit F1 then I get the full help text
* Editor control for uncaught errors--if I code I'm debugging raises an
uncaught exception, the editor jumps directly to it.  Even works for
web development, if I hit a page in my dev server that raises an
exception, it brings my editor right there.

and lots more (version control integration, easy mapping of keys to
restart the webserver after I make changes, etc).  And there's some
internal crap (e.g. we work on lots of clients who have client-specific
versions of some objects; I have a client menu so that if I pick one,
then I'll jump to their client-specific version of the current file (or
the base generic version if there isn't a specific one), tags will
follow the right client versions, etc).

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Satya]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
> Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.

WingIDE appears to be the best, especially if you are an Emacs user and are
used to its niceties. It is however, not free.

PyScripter is pretty good too -- light weight, lots of features.

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Yu-Xi Lim]

Michiel Sikma wrote:
> By FOS, do you mean FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)? I've never 
> seen the acronym FOS used.

Maybe he was trying for "Free Open Source IDE" without the 
semi-redundant "Software"

> I personally use Eclipse with PyDev.
> http://www.eclipse.org/
> http://pydev.sourceforge.net/

Eclipse+PyDev has the advantage over emacs when it comes to big 
projects, IMO. It has features like refactoring, better project 
management, code coverage. emacs has the advantage of being faster and 
smaller, and if all you need is a syntax-aware (smart indentation, 
syntax highlighting) editor and integrated debugger, emacs is more than 
enough.

I've tried the other free IDEs like IDLE, SPE, eric3, TruStudio (for 
Eclipse), Boa, Komodo, WingIDE. I have various issues with them, 
including instability, poor automatic indentation, bad GUI (too many 
subwindows or uncustomizable), costly, no refactoring, and no project 
management.

It's strangely ironic. I consider Eclipse to be a lousy Java IDE 
especially compared to commercial offerings and yet that's what the 
project started out as.
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Re: Best IDE for Python

[hiaips]

I'm assuming that FOS = "free open source"...

In any case, what operating system do you run? If you're on OS X, I
highly recommend TextMate. It's not free, but it has good support
(either via built-in or third-party plugins) for Python as well as
HTML, SQL, XML, Django templates, and the like. A lot of Rails folks
use it (as well as Django and TurboGears developers, I might add).

The best general-purpose IDE for Python, IMO, is WingIDE. Again, it's
not free (personal license will cost you $30). It runs on each of the
major platforms - Windows, Linux, OS X - and has some nice features,
including code completion, syntax highlighting, a built-in Python
shell, etc. I don't think it has any features built-in specifically for
web dev, however; if you have to do lots of HTML, XML, and SQL as part
of your project, you might want something a bit more general-purpose.

If you're determined to go the FOSS route, you can always use VIM,
Emacs, Eric, or SPE.

Just my two cents...

--dave

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[jelle]

I think SPE is a terrible complete and efficient IDE!

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Ben Finney]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications
> in Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.

I don't know what a "FOS IDE" is, but my preferred free software
development environment for making web applications is:

  - GNU screen http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/>

  - Powerful editor; lately I prefer Emacs with python-mode
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/>
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/PythonMode>

  - Standards-compliant browser, such as Firefox; the web developer
toolbar extension is a must.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/>
http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/>

Separate 'screen' windows for:

  - VCS interaction
  - Continuous unit test running
  - Emacs session
  - Python interactive session

Many of the above could be in Emacs windows instead, but I already
know how to work 'screen'. The wonderful part about using 'screen' as
my IDE is that any of the tools can be interchanged as I like.

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Re: Best IDE for Python

[Michiel Sikma]

By FOS, do you mean FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)? I've never  
seen the acronym FOS used.

I personally use Eclipse with PyDev.
http://www.eclipse.org/
http://pydev.sourceforge.net/

Michiel

Op 14-aug-2006, om 9:50 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende  
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> Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
> Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.
>
> Cheers
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Best IDE for Python

[stylecomputers]

Hi All, What do you find the best IDE for creating web applications in
Python is? Preferably FOS IDE.

Cheers

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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[Michele Petrazzo]

Saurabh Sardeshpande wrote:
> Pardon if this is already discussed extensively. But what is the best
> IDE for Python for a newbie? I have experience in C++ and Java and this
> is the first time I am learning a scripting language.
> Thanks in advance
> 

Try all the you find!
However on linux I find eric3(4) very useful.

Bye,
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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[mystilleef]

What OS? IDEs are overkill, bloated, complex and slow for agile
languages like Python. You need an editor that is nimble, fast, simple,
powerful and doesn't get in your way. For linux, I suggest Scribes.

http://scribes.sf.net

http://scribes.sf.net/snippets.htm (Flash Demo)

http://www.minds.nuim.ie/~dez/images/blog/scribes.html (GIF Demo)

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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[Doug Bromley]

On 5/5/06, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 04:50:11PM +0100, Doug Bromley wrote:> I have a Python IDE review I did a few months back you may want to view:> http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review
Sounds interesting. Could you fix the screenshots? I just get a 404 here.Kindly ChristophP.S.: [Rant about TOFU posting suppressed.]--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-listApologies for that - Thanks for pointing it out.  The links and images are now fixed.All the best.Doug 
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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[BartlebyScrivener]

Here's a shot of Komodo, albeit embedded in a pdf

http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/ActiveState_Komodo_datasheet.pdf

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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[Christoph Haas]

On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 04:50:11PM +0100, Doug Bromley wrote:
> I have a Python IDE review I did a few months back you may want to view:
> http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review

Sounds interesting. Could you fix the screenshots? I just get a 404 here.

Kindly
 Christoph

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Re: Best IDE for Python?

[BartlebyScrivener]

>> Pardon if . . . already discussed

Here is a link searching comp.lang.python for "best ide"

http://tinyurl.com/qqtaf

rick

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