Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
On 11 Mar 2006 03:22:42 -0800, rumours say that Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] might have written: Tim Churches wrote: Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? [Paul] snip So should a service for finding Python packages have a distinct identity? It is possible that a package index could be someone's principal view of the Python world (I go to Camelot to get... what is it I get there?), but the things that emerge from such a service aren't just downloads that have little in common with each other. Consequently, I don't think a descriptive name, derived from the name of the technology, is sensibly avoided in this case. I like the BSOL idea, but in that case what will the package extension be instead of .egg? camelot.python.org has the advantage of suggesting an obvious extension: .graal So you go to the Camelot to get the graal (or one of them :). In case this catches on, I'd like to upload ASAP one of my packages [1] called wholy. PS Grail was a web browser written in Python (or an attempt at one). [1] It's mostly useless but I trust wholy.graal will be downloaded by millions. -- TZOTZIOY, I speak England very best. Dear Paul, please stop spamming us. The Corinthians -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Bertrand Mansion wrote: On 3/12/06, Andrew Gwozdziewycz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the 'tadpoles' (i don't really think it's tadpoles really... but i'll bite for now), notice that it is a + sign, which we also always associate with life, and health (red cross comes to mind). Python is a healthy language. I can read it and write it without going blind or crazy. The cross, the snake and the S shape are indeed very commonly associated with a medical universe. The current logo would be perfect for a drug company. Better eggs.python.org. Would support the spread of the new file format, too. eggs.python.org actually seems quite good to me. It'd be even cooler if we could make EGGS an acronym for something. How about 'Excellently Good Getting Solution' ? (joking). +1 for eggs.python.org eggs: Easily Get Good Stuff? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog holdenweb.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:30:43 +1100, Tim Churches [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? I think I'd prefer The Larch... Or just SPAM (something Python something Modules ?) Standard Python Archive (of) Modules? Just -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Tim Churches wrote: Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? Well, you could replay the conversation I gave as an example elsewhere to see if it sounds ridiculous or not, but what we've encountered here is the problem of whether something should be given a distinctive identity or a derivative identity. A long time ago, and possibly continuing to this day, people complained about how nearly every Python package, module or program had names starting or ending with Py - announcing a module in a Python newsgroup and giving it a name starting with Py seemed somewhat redundant, and there was always the issue of not being able to scan long lists of packages comfortably, just like with all the KDE application names that start with the letter K. But even without the curse of Py, many people don't just choose arbitrary names for their packages: it often makes sense to include related technologies in the name (eg. XML, XSLT, ado, dav), or to use a descriptive component, possibly in shortened form (eg. auth, bayes, bio, Cal). Yes, a search will often bring forth the right resource regardless of what it's called, but many people underestimate their own searching skills and overestimate what other people can find via things like Google. Of course, programs may downplay Python as the implementation technology because the underlying technical details are mostly irrelevant to end-users (eg. BitTorrent, b3, Eric, Glarf), but if we look at distinctively named packages, we can see that they often attempt to define their own identity distinct from Python (eg. BeautifulSoup, Dabo, DejaVu, Django, Twisted, Zope), frequently because they seek to be the primary point of reference for developers - developing in Twisted or Zope is more specialised than just developing things in Python. Some of the distinctively named package names employ metaphors and/or cultural references that possibly make them more memorable, but they don't necessarily make the names easy to guess. So should a service for finding Python packages have a distinct identity? It is possible that a package index could be someone's principal view of the Python world (I go to Camelot to get... what is it I get there?), but the things that emerge from such a service aren't just downloads that have little in common with each other. Consequently, I don't think a descriptive name, derived from the name of the technology, is sensibly avoided in this case. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Paul Boddie wrote: Tim Churches wrote: Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? Well, you could replay the conversation I gave as an example elsewhere to see if it sounds ridiculous or not, but what we've encountered here is the problem of whether something should be given a distinctive identity or a derivative identity. A long time ago, and possibly continuing to this day, people complained about how nearly every Python package, module or program had names starting or ending with Py - announcing a module in a Python newsgroup and giving it a name starting with Py seemed somewhat redundant, and there was always the issue of not being able to scan long lists of packages comfortably, just like with all the KDE application names that start with the letter K. But even without the curse of Py, many people don't just choose arbitrary names for their packages: it often makes sense to include related technologies in the name (eg. XML, XSLT, ado, dav), or to use a descriptive component, possibly in shortened form (eg. auth, bayes, bio, Cal). Yes, a search will often bring forth the right resource regardless of what it's called, but many people underestimate their own searching skills and overestimate what other people can find via things like Google. Of course, programs may downplay Python as the implementation technology because the underlying technical details are mostly irrelevant to end-users (eg. BitTorrent, b3, Eric, Glarf), but if we look at distinctively named packages, we can see that they often attempt to define their own identity distinct from Python (eg. BeautifulSoup, Dabo, DejaVu, Django, Twisted, Zope), frequently because they seek to be the primary point of reference for developers - developing in Twisted or Zope is more specialised than just developing things in Python. Some of the distinctively named package names employ metaphors and/or cultural references that possibly make them more memorable, but they don't necessarily make the names easy to guess. So should a service for finding Python packages have a distinct identity? It is possible that a package index could be someone's principal view of the Python world (I go to Camelot to get... what is it I get there?), but the things that emerge from such a service aren't just downloads that have little in common with each other. Consequently, I don't think a descriptive name, derived from the name of the technology, is sensibly avoided in this case. Paul The problem I have with the cheese-shop is less a naming but a usability issue. In some commercial projects that involve Python I already integrated SQLite as a local database for storing and retrieving all kind of configuration data as well as session data, failure statistics etc. I also extended a Python console in order to send SQL commands directly using this syntax $ select * from reports where I should mention that this kind of integration was one of the most acknowledged features by those who where Python sceptics. I wonder if creating a database client, integreting it with a Python console and shipping it with a Python setup would not leave behind all other solutions in the field? BTW I'm not only intererested in the functionality of a package but how well it performs how well it is tested etc. The packages checked into the cheese-shop obtain already a rough classification. If classification schemes become more usable it is likely that they could be extended. Kay -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
I like cheeseshop just fine, but have been a Monty Python fan since they appeared on the CBC in, I think, 1969. I'm one of those people who is always surprised when a MP bon mot is greeted with confusion and the suspicion that I have finally lost my mind altogether. So... If we are moving to the snake motif (which probably would be better marketing): Pythons lay eggs which they arrange in a pile. They coil around the pile until all eggs have hatched. Since pythons cannot regulate their internal body temperature, they cannot incubate their eggs per se; instead, they raise the temperature of their eggs by small movements of their body-essentially, they shiver. This is one of only a few documented cases of parental behaviour in snakes. --Wikipedia article python Pythons build no nests. Their eggs are found in coils. coil.python.org ? Tadpoles ( http://python.org/images/python-logo.gif ) are immature frogs. If we keep the logo, we can change the name of the language to frog. Then the eggs would be found in lilypad.frog.org . I personally do not like this choice but it would have the virtue of consistency. (Did I mention that I don't like the logo?) mt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Hallöchen! Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Pythons build no nests. Their eggs are found in coils. coil.python.org ? Better eggs.python.org. Would support the spread of the new file format, too. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetusICQ 264-296-646 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Tadpoles ( http://python.org/images/python-logo.gif ) are immature frogs. If we keep the logo, we can change the name of the language to frog. Then the eggs would be found in lilypad.frog.org . I personally do not like this choice but it would have the virtue of consistency. (Did I mention that I don't like the logo?) I hadn't realized that the logo was depicting 'tadpoles'. I dont' mind the logo. It does exactly what a logo is supposed to do. It creates an image of something about the product or company. It would also scale quite well for all purposes. Look at the 'tadpoles' (i don't really think it's tadpoles really... but i'll bite for now), notice that it is a + sign, which we also always associate with life, and health (red cross comes to mind). Python is a healthy language. I can read it and write it without going blind or crazy. Ok, maybe I'm pushing it here. Better eggs.python.org. Would support the spread of the new file format, too. eggs.python.org actually seems quite good to me. It'd be even cooler if we could make EGGS an acronym for something. How about 'Excellently Good Getting Solution' ? (joking). --- Andrew Gwozdziewycz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ihadagreatview.org http://and.rovir.us -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
On 3/12/06, Andrew Gwozdziewycz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the 'tadpoles' (i don't really think it's tadpoles really... but i'll bite for now), notice that it is a + sign, which we also always associate with life, and health (red cross comes to mind). Python is a healthy language. I can read it and write it without going blind or crazy. The cross, the snake and the S shape are indeed very commonly associated with a medical universe. The current logo would be perfect for a drug company. Better eggs.python.org. Would support the spread of the new file format, too. eggs.python.org actually seems quite good to me. It'd be even cooler if we could make EGGS an acronym for something. How about 'Excellently Good Getting Solution' ? (joking). +1 for eggs.python.org Bertrand -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? That's a cheery, upbeat name, there are overtones of commerce or filthy lucre, it is a clear reference to one of the Monty Python crew's greatest works, it can be easily abbreviated to BSOL (to avoid confusion with BSL for blood sugar level, and to have some resonance with another well-known Python acronym, BDFL), it is associated with a memorable theme tune which, appropriately, reminds one to always look on the BSOL (see http://www.geocities.com/fang_club/Bright_side_of_life.html for the lyrics), one can install an (ALOT)BSOL ringtone on your mobile (cell) phone if one wishes like - see (or hear) for example http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~ajvaanan/p_80861/ , and it possesses a certain irony just like the original Cheese Shop allusion. So, BSOL instead of Cheese Shop? I am quite prepared to be crucified (cheerfully) for this suggestion. Tim C -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop - BSOL?
Tim Churches wrote: Would it be possible to rename Cheese Shop as Bright Side of Life? That's a cheery, upbeat name, there are overtones of commerce or filthy lucre, I meant no overtones, mea culpa. Tim C -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
