Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-19 Thread Mark Tolonen


Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com wrote in message 
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I find it odd that the regex library can't handle European characters


It can.  Read the documentation about the re.LOCALE flag.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Gilles Ganault
Thanks everyone for the help. This script is just a one-shot thingie
on my work host, not as a web script or anything professional.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Gardner
jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote:
Unfortunately, there isn't any string to date parsers in the built-
ins. Not to worry, though, since writing your own is easy, especially
if you use regular expressions from the re module. I suggest using an
RE such as:

r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+)

I've never seen regexes like this. I'm curious to know what those
mean:

r = Unicode?

(?Pdate = ? means that it shouldn't be greedy, what about Pdate?
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com writes:

 Thanks everyone for the help. This script is just a one-shot thingie
 on my work host, not as a web script or anything professional.

 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Gardner
 jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote:
 r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+)

 I've never seen regexes like this. I'm curious to know what those
 mean:

Luckily, you have access to the documentation to find out.

 r = Unicode?

URL:http://docs.python.org/reference/lexical_analysis.html#string-literals

 (?Pdate = ? means that it shouldn't be greedy, what about Pdate?

URL:http://docs.python.org/library/re#regular-expression-syntax

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Gilles Ganault
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:10:50 +1000, Ben Finney
ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Luckily, you have access to the documentation to find out.

I never used groups before. Thanks for showing me.

At this point, the script is almost done, but the regex fails  if the
month contains accented characters (eg. Août, but fine if eg.
Jan).

Adding a line to load the French locale doesn't help :-/

Any idea what I could do to keep the regex happy?

Thank you.

==
import re
import apsw
import locale

#In case error due to accent in month name, but no soup 4 U
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

connection=apsw.Connection(test.sqlite)
cursor=connection.cursor()

re_inscription =
re.compile(r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+))

sql = 'SELECT id,dateinscription,dateconnexion FROM mytable'
rows=list(cursor.execute(sql))
for row in rows:
dateinscription = row[1]
dateconnexion = row[2]

#Prints OK
print dateinscription

m = re_inscription.search(dateinscription)
if m:
day = m.group(date)
month = m.group(month)
year = m.group(year)
print %s-%s-%s % (year,month,day)
else:
print No go
==
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Rami Chowdhury
Could you let me know which platform this is on (Windows, *nix)? It may be a 
locale encoding issue -- the locale.setlocale() function allows the second 
argument to be a tuple of (locale_code, encoding), as below:

locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

Since this is for a one-shot (and presumably threading-agnostic) program, and 
a fairly trivially formatted date-string, I would suggest using 
datetime.strptime 
(http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime) and 
not regular expressions (which IIRC have Issues with non-ASCII characters). 



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On Tuesday 18 August 2009 00:49:41 Gilles Ganault wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:10:50 +1000, Ben Finney

 ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
 Luckily, you have access to the documentation to find out.

 I never used groups before. Thanks for showing me.

 At this point, the script is almost done, but the regex fails  if the
 month contains accented characters (eg. Août, but fine if eg.
 Jan).

 Adding a line to load the French locale doesn't help :-/

 Any idea what I could do to keep the regex happy?

 Thank you.

 ==
 import re
 import apsw
 import locale

 #In case error due to accent in month name, but no soup 4 U
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

 connection=apsw.Connection(test.sqlite)
 cursor=connection.cursor()

 re_inscription =
 re.compile(r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+))

 sql = 'SELECT id,dateinscription,dateconnexion FROM mytable'
 rows=list(cursor.execute(sql))
 for row in rows:
   dateinscription = row[1]
   dateconnexion = row[2]

   #Prints OK
   print dateinscription

   m = re_inscription.search(dateinscription)
   if m:
   day = m.group(date)
   month = m.group(month)
   year = m.group(year)
   print %s-%s-%s % (year,month,day)
   else:
   print No go
 ==

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Gilles Ganault
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:11:20 -0700, Rami Chowdhury
rami.chowdh...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you let me know which platform this is on (Windows, *nix)? It may be a 
locale encoding issue -- the locale.setlocale() function allows the second 
argument to be a tuple of (locale_code, encoding), as below:

locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

It's on XP, and I'm using ActivePython 2.5.1.1.
http://www.activestate.com/activepython/

Python doesn't like the above:

#locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

Maybe it was introduced in more recent versions of Python?

Since this is for a one-shot (and presumably threading-agnostic) program, and 
a fairly trivially formatted date-string, I would suggest using 
datetime.strptime 
(http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime) and 
not regular expressions (which IIRC have Issues with non-ASCII characters). 

If the regex library can only handle basic latin characters, I'll wait
until a script I'm running is done, and I'll upgrade to the 2.6.2.2 to
see how it goes.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Rami Chowdhury
 Python doesn't like the above:

 #locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

 Maybe it was introduced in more recent versions of Python?
Hmm, that's odd. According to the docs 
(http://docs.python.org/library/locale.html#locale.setlocale) it's been that 
way since 2.0, but I've just checked this on my Windows (Vista) machine and 
you're right, it returns an error. 

This worked for me on 32-bit Vista:

locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

It uses Windows-1252 for the encoding, but that seems to deal with the 
circonflexe in 'Août' just fine, so it should work for this purpose.



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On Tuesday 18 August 2009 01:19:53 Gilles Ganault wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:11:20 -0700, Rami Chowdhury

 rami.chowdh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could you let me know which platform this is on (Windows, *nix)? It may be
  a locale encoding issue -- the locale.setlocale() function allows the
  second argument to be a tuple of (locale_code, encoding), as below:
 
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

 It's on XP, and I'm using ActivePython 2.5.1.1.
 http://www.activestate.com/activepython/

 Python doesn't like the above:

 #locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ('FR', 'UTF-8'))

 Maybe it was introduced in more recent versions of Python?

 Since this is for a one-shot (and presumably threading-agnostic) program,
  and a fairly trivially formatted date-string, I would suggest using
 datetime.strptime
 (http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime)
  and not regular expressions (which IIRC have Issues with non-ASCII
  characters).

 If the regex library can only handle basic latin characters, I'll wait
 until a script I'm running is done, and I'll upgrade to the 2.6.2.2 to
 see how it goes.

 Thank you.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Gilles Ganault
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:52:41 +0200, Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com
wrote:

I find it odd that the regex library can't handle European characters
:-/

Ha, found it! :-)

http://www.regular-expressions.info/python.html

=
# -*- coding: latin-1 -*-

import locale
import re

locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

re_inscription =
re.compile(r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+),re.LOCALE)

dateinscription = 11 Août 2008

m = re_inscription.search(dateinscription)
if m:
day = m.group(date)
month = m.group(month)
year = m.group(year)
print %s-%s-%s % (year,month,day)
else:
print Yuck
=

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com writes:

 dateinscription = 11 Août 2008

For any text string that's not ASCII, you should specify it as Unicode.
(Actually, you should specify text as Unicode anyway.) For a literal
text string:

dateinscription = u11 Août 2008

If you're using exclusively Python 3, you will get Unicode text literals
by default; but I assume you're using Python 2 based on existing
discussion.

The principles of handling text in Python: Get it to internal Unicode
objects as soon as possible, handle it as Unicode for as long as
possible, and only encode it to some byte stream for output as late as
possible.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Gilles Ganault
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:03:47 +1000, Ben Finney
ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
The principles of handling text in Python: Get it to internal Unicode
objects as soon as possible, handle it as Unicode for as long as
possible, and only encode it to some byte stream for output as late as
possible.

Thanks much for the tip. I'll keep that in mind when I have strings
with accents.
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com writes:

 On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:03:47 +1000, Ben Finney
 ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
 The principles of handling text in Python: Get it to internal Unicode
 objects as soon as possible, handle it as Unicode for as long as
 possible, and only encode it to some byte stream for output as late as
 possible.

 Thanks much for the tip. I'll keep that in mind when I have strings
 with accents.

Again, note that these recommendations hold for *any* text in Python,
with or without accents; once you accept that text is best handled in
Unicode, there's little sense in making an exception for the limited
subset that happens to be representable in ASCII.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-18 Thread Stefan Behnel
Ben Finney wrote:
 The principles of handling text in Python: Get it to internal Unicode
 objects as soon as possible, handle it as Unicode for as long as
 possible, and only encode it to some byte stream for output as late as
 possible.
 Again, note that these recommendations hold for *any* text in Python,
 with or without accents; once you accept that text is best handled in
 Unicode, there's little sense in making an exception for the limited
 subset that happens to be representable in ASCII.

If the QOTW wasn't meant for fun, I'd vote for this. This is very good advice.

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Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Gilles Ganault
Hello,

I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
-MM-DD, and translate the month name from literal French to its
numeric equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

Here's an example:

SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
respectively.

What is the best way to do this in Python?

Thank you.
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Aug 17, 3:26 pm, Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com wrote:
 Hello,

         I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
 -MM-DD, and translate the month name from literal French to its
 numeric equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

 Here's an example:

 SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
 26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

 I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
 respectively.

 What is the best way to do this in Python?

 Thank you.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Che M
On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com wrote:
 Hello,

         I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
 -MM-DD, and translate the month name from literal French to its
 numeric equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

 Here's an example:

 SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
 26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

 I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
 respectively.

 What is the best way to do this in Python?

 Thank you.

Likely this is not the best way, but I would do, for
the first one (and the same idea for the second):

def convert(date):
frenchdict = {'Mai':'May'} #etc...
day = mystring[:2]
month = frenchdict[ mystring[3:6] ]
year = mystring[7:11]
newdate = year+'-'+month+'-'+day
print 'newdate is ', newdate

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Aug 17, 3:26 pm, Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com wrote:
         I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
 -MM-DD, and translate the month name from literal French to its
 numeric equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

 Here's an example:

 SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
 26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

 I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
 respectively.

 What is the best way to do this in Python?


Unfortunately, there isn't any string to date parsers in the built-
ins. Not to worry, though, since writing your own is easy, especially
if you use regular expressions from the re module. I suggest using an
RE such as:

r(?Pdate\d+)\s+(?Pmonth\w+)\s+(?Pyear\d+)

If you want to translate month names to month numbers, then you need
some sort of dict to do so. Unfortunately, there isn't a terrific
standard for this, so your best bet is to put it in some file
somewhere, or even hard-code it in your code. (Month names won't
change over the lifetime of your program, so it's reasonable to put
them in your code somewhere.)

month_names_to_numbers = {
'jan':1, ... }

Once you have the year, month, and date, formatting it is trivial with
the built-in formatter.

%04d-%02d%02d %02d:%02d % (year, month, date, hour, minute)

The variety of date formats out there have prevented a universal,
clean solution to this problem. Until we all start sticking to the
same conventions, we will always have to write code to translate dates
from one format to another.
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Rami Chowdhury
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't  
http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime do  
this?



import locale
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

  'French_France.1252'

date_str = '05 Mai 2009 - 18h25'
fmt = '%d %B %Y - %Hh%M'
date_obj = datetime.strptime(date_str, fmt)
date_obj

  datetime.datetime(2009, 5, 5, 18, 25)

date_obj.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M')

  '2009-05-05 18:25'

If you're using a recent enough version of Python (2.5 and up) I'd imagine  
that's the best way to do it?


On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:58:28 -0700, Che M cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:


On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com wrote:

Hello,

        I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
-MM-DD, and translate the month name from literal French to its
numeric equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

Here's an example:

SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
respectively.

What is the best way to do this in Python?

Thank you.


Likely this is not the best way, but I would do, for
the first one (and the same idea for the second):

def convert(date):
frenchdict = {'Mai':'May'} #etc...
day = mystring[:2]
month = frenchdict[ mystring[3:6] ]
year = mystring[7:11]
newdate = year+'-'+month+'-'+day
print 'newdate is ', newdate





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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Ben Finney
Gilles Ganault nos...@nospam.com writes:

   I need to convert DD MM  dates into the MySQL-friendly
 -MM-DD

This is not specific to MySQL. It is the common international standard
date representation format defined by ISO 8601.

 and translate the month name from literal French to its numeric
 equivalent (eg. Janvier into 01).

The simplest way to do this would be by a mapping from month-name to
month-number.

An obvious, and wrong, approach to this would be to hard-code the twelve
month names into your program data.

Instead, you should generate the map based on the standard library (in
this case, the underlying C standard library) locale database
URL:http://docs.python.org/library/locale.html?highlight=locale%20date#locale.nl_langinfo:

 import locale
 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_TIME, en_AU.UTF-8)
 months = dict(
... (locale.nl_langinfo(getattr(locale, key)), i)
... for (key, i) in (
... ('MON_%(i)d' % vars(), i)
... for i in range(1, 12+1)))

 import pprint
 pprint.pprint(months)
{'April': 4,
 'August': 8,
 'December': 12,
 'February': 2,
 'January': 1,
 'July': 7,
 'June': 6,
 'March': 3,
 'May': 5,
 'November': 11,
 'October': 10,
 'September': 9}

Of course, if you can avoid having to generate this mapping at all in
your program, that's best; see below.

 Here's an example:

 SELECT dateinscription, dateconnexion FROM membres LIMIT 1;
 26 Mai 2007|17 Août 2009 - 09h20

 I'd like to update the row into 2007-05-26 and 2009-08-17 09:20,
 respectively.

Storing a timestamp as a text attribute in a database seems perverse and
begging for trouble. Doesn't the database have a timestamp data type? Or
perhaps that's what you're trying to achieve?

 What is the best way to do this in Python?

The ‘datetime.strptime’ function will create a Python ‘datetime’ object
from a string, parsed according to a format
URL:http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html?highlight=parse%20date%20time#datetime.datetime.strptime.

I don't know whether that function allows for month names in the current
locale (as set by ‘locale.setlocale(locale.LC_TIME, …)’). If it does,
that's the right way, since it doesn't involve explciitly generating the
mapping as shown above.

Use your preferred Python-to-database library to feed that ‘datetime’
object directly to the database and store it in an attribute of the
native database timestamp type.

Then, format the timestamp value at the point of outputting that value,
instead of storing the text representation in the database.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Ben Finney
Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net writes:

 Unfortunately, there isn't any string to date parsers in the built-
 ins.

Fortunately, Python 2.5 or later has the ‘datetime.strptime’ function.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Aug 17, 5:20 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:

 Instead, you should generate the map based on the standard library (in
 this case, the underlying C standard library) locale database
 URL:http://docs.python.org/library/locale.html?highlight=locale%20date#lo...:


Does Windows support POSIX locales?

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Aug 17, 7:06 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
 Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net writes:
  Unfortunately, there isn't any string to date parsers in the built-
  ins.

 Fortunately, Python 2.5 or later has the ‘datetime.strptime’ function.


Hate to weasel out of this one, but the language that strptime
provides is pretty limited. I don't find it useful except in the
trivial cases. Same goes for strftime. Also, both of these are very
Western European centric. Yes, Asian languages are supported but not
naturally.
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Aug 17, 5:18 pm, Rami Chowdhury rami.chowdh...@gmail.com wrote:

  import locale
  locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'FR')

locale is nice when you only have a single thread.

Webservers aren't single threaded. You can't serve up one page for one
locale and then another in another locale without seeing very, very
weird behavior.
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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Ben Finney
Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net writes:

 On Aug 17, 5:20 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
  Instead, you should generate the map based on the standard library (in
  this case, the underlying C standard library) locale database
  URL:http://docs.python.org/library/locale.html?highlight=locale%20date#lo...:

 Does Windows support POSIX locales?

If it does not, it should :-) since it addresses the problem in one
standard place. It would be foolish for Python to re-implement that
functionality when presumably the operating system already knows how to
map between dates and locale-specific text representations.

You'll need to check the operating system documentation for what
alternative it might provide.

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Re: Converting DD MM YYYY into YYYY-MM-DD?

2009-08-17 Thread Rami Chowdhury



My sample interactive session (locale.setlocale and all) was on a 32-bit Vista 
install of Python 2.5, so it works on that...

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On Monday 17 August 2009 19:46:24 Ben Finney wrote:
 Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net writes:
  On Aug 17, 5:20 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
   Instead, you should generate the map based on the standard library (in
   this case, the underlying C standard library) locale database
   URL:http://docs.python.org/library/locale.html?highlight=locale%20date
  #lo...:
 
  Does Windows support POSIX locales?

 If it does not, it should :-) since it addresses the problem in one
 standard place. It would be foolish for Python to re-implement that
 functionality when presumably the operating system already knows how to
 map between dates and locale-specific text representations.

 You'll need to check the operating system documentation for what
 alternative it might provide.

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