RE: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread avi.e.gross
To be clear, the discussion strikes me oddly.

You can learn python without a computer. Of course to actually have people
write code and try it out is another story.

Python by itself is simply a program that can be typed into an interpreter
or given a file to process and works just as well on LINUX, Windows and so
on. I have half a dozen varieties on my machine from various
modes/distributions.

As some have pointed out, any RECENT version of python (presumably the 3
version unless your goal is to teach the older version) should be fine for
teaching but obviously all kinds of tools can help. But there are online
resources that may be adequate that require NOTHING but a browser:

https://py3.codeskulptor.org/

The above URL allows you to create and run and save python files and is
probably adequate for teaching basics and for sharing programs others have
saved by sending you the URL. 

Of course, beyond a certain point, it fails to meet needs such as not
supporting importing random modules.

But as was discussed here before, you can find little time to teach python
if you also have to teach every environment and editor and especially handle
students using other choices. But to ask everyone to use the same LINUX
distribution may also be a drastic step. 

The reality is that simple python programs can be handled with any standard
text editor. Sure, lots of bells and whistles can be added and there may
well be advantages to using systems ranging from anaconda  to lately RSTUDIO
but they often come with many superfluous features and lots of complexity.

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On 2022-08-04, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  wrote:

> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python 
> programming language?

You can learn Python on any Linux distribution.

First answer this question:

 * Whom are you going to ask for help when you run into Linux questions?

Install the Linux distro that person uses.


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2022-08-04, Christian Heimes  wrote:

> Fedora is an excellent choice for Python users. Fedora 36 already comes 
> with Python 3.11.0b5 in its main repository. In fact you have Python 
> 2.7, 3.5-3.11, PyPy 2.7, PyPy 3.7-3.9, and MicroPython at your fingertips.

Except that real programmers use Python 1.52 because they depend on the
assumption that integers are native word size and arithmatic is done
modulo-maxunsigned the same way it is in assembly language...

;)

Honestly, back when I was implementing netowrk protocols in Python on
a 32-bit machine, it was very useful having 32-bit Python integers.


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Christian Heimes

On 04/08/2022 20.12, Barry wrote:

Noted with thanks Kushal. Since I can download FREE copies of RHEL
9.0, I will use it then.


I consider rhel 9 is an old os. I would suggest using fedora over rhel.
Fedora 36 has python 3.10 and the when fedora 37 is released it will have 
python 3.11.
And fedora is free as well.


Fedora is an excellent choice for Python users. Fedora 36 already comes 
with Python 3.11.0b5 in its main repository. In fact you have Python 
2.7, 3.5-3.11, PyPy 2.7, PyPy 3.7-3.9, and MicroPython at your fingertips.


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Barry


> On 4 Aug 2022, at 09:48, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 13:02, Kushal Kumaran  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 04 2022 at 10:22:41 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
>>> programming language?
>>> 
>>> Good day from Singapore,
>>> 
>>> May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
>>> Python programming language?
>>> 
>>> Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
>>> (I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
>>> Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?
>>> 
>>> Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?
>>> 
>>> I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
>>> for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
>>> there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and
>>> version.
>>> 
>> 
>> The best one would be whatever you happen to have installed and for
>> which you understand system administration.  Beyond that, distribution
>> choice matters very little.  Every distribution I've used ships python3
>> packages, which was fine for learning the language.
>> 
>> --
>> regards,
>> kushal
> 
> Noted with thanks Kushal. Since I can download FREE copies of RHEL
> 9.0, I will use it then.

I consider rhel 9 is an old os. I would suggest using fedora over rhel.
Fedora 36 has python 3.10 and the when fedora 37 is released it will have 
python 3.11.
And fedora is free as well.

Barry


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Tobiah

On 8/3/22 19:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python 
programming language?


You might try Pythontu.

Not really.  Get the distro that looks appealing to you.
One won't be better than the other with regard to learning
python.




Good day from Singapore,

May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python 
programming language?

Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription (I don't 
need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise Linux version 9.0 to 
learn Python?

Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?

I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive for 
learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out there. And I 
just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and version.

Thank you.

Regards,

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore
4 Aug 2022 Thursday
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https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2022-08-04, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  wrote:

> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
> programming language?

You can learn Python on any Linux distribution.

First answer this question:

 * Whom are you going to ask for help when you run into Linux questions?

Install the Linux distro that person uses.


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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Weatherby,Gerard
Just be aware https://docs.python.org/3/ defaults to the latest Python version 
(3.10). When looking up a module, it’s best to explicitly set the documentation 
to the version you are using. It won’t matter the vast majority of the time but 
I have been burned by trying to use a function or parameter that was introduced 
with a later version.

—
Gerard Weatherby | Application Architect NMRbox | NAN | Department of Molecular 
Biology and Biophysics
 UConn Health 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-6406 uchc.edu
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 16:50, dn  wrote:

PS most of us will qualify for RedHat's Developer program[me] and free
copies of software.

I can download free copies of RHEL 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x :) Just that I
dunno which RHEL version is better. Is RHEL 9.0 the best out of 7.x,
8.x and 9.x?

RedHat is a stable OpSys. Accordingly, it doesn't much matter which
version. The general assumption is that the more recent distribution has
more advanced facilities, eg improved security features in RHEL9.

As another post says, Fedora is closer to the bleeding-edge of Linux
development.

RHEL 9.0 is also quite close to the bleeding edge of Linux
development. It has Linux kernel version 5.14.0.


Be aware that there are many methods of adding Python. For example, if
your training is based on the Anaconda [Python] distribution, then it is
irrelevant which version of Python comes with the Linux distro. As
mentioned before, if you advance to developing in [Python] virtual
environments, then each of these could run a different version of
Python. Similarly, using a VM...

The question is relatively minor. More important to 'get going'!

I am going to get going on learning Python with RHEL 9.0.

(also mentioned previously: relatively easy to change (Python or distro)
'later'!)
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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 16:50, dn  wrote:
>
> >> PS most of us will qualify for RedHat's Developer program[me] and free
> >> copies of software.
> >
> > I can download free copies of RHEL 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x :) Just that I
> > dunno which RHEL version is better. Is RHEL 9.0 the best out of 7.x,
> > 8.x and 9.x?
>
> RedHat is a stable OpSys. Accordingly, it doesn't much matter which
> version. The general assumption is that the more recent distribution has
> more advanced facilities, eg improved security features in RHEL9.
>
> As another post says, Fedora is closer to the bleeding-edge of Linux
> development.

RHEL 9.0 is also quite close to the bleeding edge of Linux
development. It has Linux kernel version 5.14.0.

>
> Be aware that there are many methods of adding Python. For example, if
> your training is based on the Anaconda [Python] distribution, then it is
> irrelevant which version of Python comes with the Linux distro. As
> mentioned before, if you advance to developing in [Python] virtual
> environments, then each of these could run a different version of
> Python. Similarly, using a VM...
>
> The question is relatively minor. More important to 'get going'!

I am going to get going on learning Python with RHEL 9.0.

> (also mentioned previously: relatively easy to change (Python or distro)
> 'later'!)
> --
> Regards,
> =dn

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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread dn
>> PS most of us will qualify for RedHat's Developer program[me] and free
>> copies of software.
> 
> I can download free copies of RHEL 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x :) Just that I
> dunno which RHEL version is better. Is RHEL 9.0 the best out of 7.x,
> 8.x and 9.x?

RedHat is a stable OpSys. Accordingly, it doesn't much matter which
version. The general assumption is that the more recent distribution has
more advanced facilities, eg improved security features in RHEL9.

As another post says, Fedora is closer to the bleeding-edge of Linux
development.

Be aware that there are many methods of adding Python. For example, if
your training is based on the Anaconda [Python] distribution, then it is
irrelevant which version of Python comes with the Linux distro. As
mentioned before, if you advance to developing in [Python] virtual
environments, then each of these could run a different version of
Python. Similarly, using a VM...

The question is relatively minor. More important to 'get going'!
(also mentioned previously: relatively easy to change (Python or distro)
'later'!)
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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 13:02, Kushal Kumaran  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 04 2022 at 10:22:41 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
>  wrote:
> > Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
> > programming language?
> >
> > Good day from Singapore,
> >
> > May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
> > Python programming language?
> >
> > Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
> > (I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
> > Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?
> >
> > Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?
> >
> > I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
> > for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
> > there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and
> > version.
> >
>
> The best one would be whatever you happen to have installed and for
> which you understand system administration.  Beyond that, distribution
> choice matters very little.  Every distribution I've used ships python3
> packages, which was fine for learning the language.
>
> --
> regards,
> kushal

Noted with thanks Kushal. Since I can download FREE copies of RHEL
9.0, I will use it then.

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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 11:05, dn  wrote:
>
> On 04/08/2022 14.31, Paul Bryan wrote:
> > I wouldn't say any particular Linux distribution is appreciably better
> > for Python development than another. I would suggest using a version of
> > a Linux distribution that supports a recent Python release (e.g. 3.9 or
> > 3.10).
>
> +1
>
> As a Python-learner (there's no comment about current programming
> expertise), it is unlikely to make any difference which Linux distro is
> used.
>
> Answers to such open-ended questions are usually seated in bias - which
> in-turn is mostly likely to be the same answer as 'which is the Linux
> distro *I* use?
> (I've used a number, with Python, over the years)
>
> The better alignment is to match the version of Python with the book or
> course you are using as learning-materials. That way, there are unlikely
> to be surprises.

Noted on this.

>
> There are differences in Python implementations between Linux, Mac, and
> Windows. However, I can't think of a book or course which spends any
> time discussing them, or having a chapter which demands one or other OpSys.
>
> When you become more experienced two things will happen: firstly you
> will start using tools which enable the use of different versions of
> Python for different dev.projects; and secondly you will form your own
> opinions of "best"!
> (it's not difficult to change distro)
>
>
> PS most of us will qualify for RedHat's Developer program[me] and free
> copies of software.

I can download free copies of RHEL 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x :) Just that I
dunno which RHEL version is better. Is RHEL 9.0 the best out of 7.x,
8.x and 9.x?

> --
> Regards,
> =dn

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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-04 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 10:47, orzodk  wrote:
>
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  writes:
>
> > noted with thanks. I have been using Linux for more than 10 years already
>
> Ah, if you're familiar with Redhat (RPM) based distributions, consider
> Fedora as you will have access to newer versions sooner.
>
> If you're more familiar with Debian (DEB) based distributions, consider
> Ubuntu, again, as the new version release cycle is twice a year.
>
> (Also, my apologies -- I meant to CC the list but failed to do so.)

I am actually quite familiar with many linux distros. I am familiar
with RPM-based linux distros as well as DEB-based linux distros.

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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Thu, Aug 04 2022 at 10:22:41 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
 wrote:
> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
> programming language?
>
> Good day from Singapore,
>
> May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
> Python programming language?
>
> Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
> (I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?
>
> Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?
>
> I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
> for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
> there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and
> version.
>

The best one would be whatever you happen to have installed and for
which you understand system administration.  Beyond that, distribution
choice matters very little.  Every distribution I've used ships python3
packages, which was fine for learning the language.

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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread dn
On 04/08/2022 14.31, Paul Bryan wrote:
> I wouldn't say any particular Linux distribution is appreciably better
> for Python development than another. I would suggest using a version of
> a Linux distribution that supports a recent Python release (e.g. 3.9 or
> 3.10).

+1

As a Python-learner (there's no comment about current programming
expertise), it is unlikely to make any difference which Linux distro is
used.

Answers to such open-ended questions are usually seated in bias - which
in-turn is mostly likely to be the same answer as 'which is the Linux
distro *I* use?
(I've used a number, with Python, over the years)

The better alignment is to match the version of Python with the book or
course you are using as learning-materials. That way, there are unlikely
to be surprises.

There are differences in Python implementations between Linux, Mac, and
Windows. However, I can't think of a book or course which spends any
time discussing them, or having a chapter which demands one or other OpSys.

When you become more experienced two things will happen: firstly you
will start using tools which enable the use of different versions of
Python for different dev.projects; and secondly you will form your own
opinions of "best"!
(it's not difficult to change distro)


PS most of us will qualify for RedHat's Developer program[me] and free
copies of software.
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Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python 
programming language?


Good day from Singapore,

May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python 
programming language?


Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription (I 
don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
version 9.0 to learn Python?


Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?

I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive for 
learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out there. 
And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and version.


Thank you.

Regards,

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore
4 Aug 2022 Thursday
Blogs:
https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com
https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com
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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
I actually did a Google search for "which linux distro is best for python".

Link: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=which+linux+distro+is+best+for+python=1C1GCEA_enSG1005SG1005=ALiCzsYaL58MJsevR2Uc0nnWtmc7kWFbIg%3A1659580387580=4y_rYqWII8i7z7sPwPCtwAI=0ahUKEwjlhenbkqz5AhXI3XMBHUB4CygQ4dUDCA8=5=which+linux+distro+is+best+for+python_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgMyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzoECCMQJzoECAAQQzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEELEDOggILhCABBCxAzoFCAAQkQI6BQguEIAEOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToKCAAQgAQQhwIQFDoGCAAQHhAWSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUABYljtg0D5oAXABeACAAesBiAG3E5IBBjM3LjAuMZgBAKABAcABAQ=gws-wiz

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore

On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 10:31, Paul Bryan  wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say any particular Linux distribution is appreciably better for 
> Python development than another. I would suggest using a version of a Linux 
> distribution that supports a recent Python release (e.g. 3.9 or 3.10).
>
> On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 10:22 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>
> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
> programming language?
>
> Good day from Singapore,
>
> May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
> Python programming language?
>
> Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
> (I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?
>
> Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?
>
> I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
> for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
> there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and
> version.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
> Targeted Individual in Singapore
> 4 Aug 2022 Thursday
> Blogs:
> https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com
> https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com
>
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Re: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread Paul Bryan
I wouldn't say any particular Linux distribution is appreciably better
for Python development than another. I would suggest using a version of
a Linux distribution that supports a recent Python release (e.g. 3.9 or
3.10).

On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 10:22 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
> programming language?
> 
> Good day from Singapore,
> 
> May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
> Python programming language?
> 
> Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
> (I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?
> 
> Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?
> 
> I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
> for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
> there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro
> and
> version.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
> Targeted Individual in Singapore
> 4 Aug 2022 Thursday
> Blogs:
> https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com
> https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com

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Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python programming language?

2022-08-03 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Which linux distro is more conducive for learning the Python
programming language?

Good day from Singapore,

May I know which linux distro is more conducive for learning the
Python programming language?

Since I have absolutely and totally FREE RHEL developer subscription
(I don't need to spend a single cent), can I use Red Hat Enterprise
Linux version 9.0 to learn Python?

Is it the most popular linux distro for learning Python?

I just want to know which linux distro and version is more conducive
for learning Python. Because there are thousands of linux distros out
there. And I just want to settle down on a particular linux distro and
version.

Thank you.

Regards,

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore
4 Aug 2022 Thursday
Blogs:
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Can I earn a lot of money by learning and mastering the Python programming language?

2021-01-21 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Can I earn a lot of money by learning and mastering the Python
programming language?

Good day from Singapore,

I am an IT consultant with a System Integrator (SI)/computer firm in
Singapore, specializing in Systems/Infrastructure and Computer Networking.
I am thinking of creating an extra avenue/stream of income by learning
extra skills and becoming a programmer or software developer/engineer. I
hope it is not too late for a person of my age. Can I earn a lot of money
by learning and mastering the Python programming language? Thought I would
like to find out first before I jump into the bandwagon and investing my
time into learning Python. Besides Python, what other programming languages
can make me earn a lot of money? Are Python, Java and C++ the most popular
and most sought after (by employers) programming languages in the world?

I am looking forward to your advice.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming, 42 years old as of 21 Jan 2021
Thursday, is a TARGETED INDIVIDUAL living in Singapore. He is an IT
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Qualifications as at 14 Feb 2019 and refugee seeking attempts at the
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2019) and Australia (25 Dec 2019 to 9 Jan 2020):

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Re: Issues Download the Latest Version of Python Programming Language

2020-07-23 Thread Mats Wichmann
On 7/24/20 12:05 AM, Ejiofor Chidinma Peace wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> I trust this email finds you well.
> 
> I have been having issues downloading the latest version of Python
> programming Language on my PC (windows 10 operating system). Kindly assist
> in resolving this issue at your earliest convenience.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Sorry to not be helpful, but you are going to have to be more descriptive.

"Having issues downloading" tells us nothing that we can use to help you
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Re: Python programming language vulnerabilities

2017-09-11 Thread Stephen Michell
CORRECTION.
My sincere apologies to anyone that tried the link that I posted. The actual 
link is

www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg23

follow the link to documents, or go directly there via

www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg23/docs/documents.html

I was informed that there are some broken links to documents. I believe that 
they are all fixed now.


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Re: Python programming language vulnerabilities

2017-09-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
These links work:

* 
http://open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG23/docs/ISO-IECJTC1-SC22-WG23_N0702-tr24772-4-draft-python-before-mtg-48-2017-03-10.pdf
* 
http://open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG23/docs/ISO-IECJTC1-SC22-WG23_N0702-tr24772-4-draft-python-before-mtg-48-2017-03-10.docx

Skip


On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Skip Montanaro
 wrote:
> That link's not working for me, even after changing the double slash
> to a single slash.
>
> Skip
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Stephen Michell
>  wrote:
>> My apologies. I maintain that website.
>>
>> There should have been no broken links. I will fix that.
>>
>> The previous version of TR 24772 had annexes for language-specific material. 
>> We have split those out, so the main document (Tr 24772-1) only has language 
>> independent material. The last Python document is N0702 at 
>> open-std.org/sc22/wg23//docs/documents.html. This document was one that 
>> Serihy could not access. That link is fixed, so it can be accessed now.
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Re: Python programming language vulnerabilities

2017-09-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
That link's not working for me, even after changing the double slash
to a single slash.

Skip

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Stephen Michell
 wrote:
> My apologies. I maintain that website.
>
> There should have been no broken links. I will fix that.
>
> The previous version of TR 24772 had annexes for language-specific material. 
> We have split those out, so the main document (Tr 24772-1) only has language 
> independent material. The last Python document is N0702 at 
> open-std.org/sc22/wg23//docs/documents.html. This document was one that 
> Serihy could not access. That link is fixed, so it can be accessed now.
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-11 Thread Dan Stromberg
Sent from my android phone.
On Feb 9, 2013 6:41 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:

 On 2/9/2013 6:53 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:

 On 02/09/2013 04:26 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:

 Most people would call bash a scripting language, but it is also
clearly
 a programming language.  It has syntax, variables and expressions.  I
 suspect it is Turing-complete, although I haven't seen a proof of that.

 I would assert that scripting languages are a proper subset of
programming
 languages, not a separate category.


 I'm pretty sure Bash is turing complete.  I know it's been shown that
 sed is turing complete, and awk probably is too!  If I recall, the way
 to show a language is turing complete is to implement a turing machine


 If the language has arrays, conditional execution, and explicit (while)
loops or recursion, you can be pretty sure it is Turing complete. I presume
this covers awk and bash. Something like the game of Life, where the
looping in implicit in the operation, is much harder to show Turing
complete. I suspect sed is non-trivial also.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

For proving something Turing-complete, you only need to prove equivalence
to some other Turing-complete language.

The simplest test involves three things:
1. Sequential flow
2. An if, while or recursive function/method call
3. An arbitrary number of variables - arrays are optional

Strictly speaking, no language on a real computer is fully Turing-complete,
because real computers don't have an infinitely large memory, while TM's do.

But it's common to handwaive past that part of the definition.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-09 Thread Tim Roberts
Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:

IMO, a scripting language is used to automate tasks that would
otherwise be done by a human sitting at a keyboard typing commands.
[Perhaps that definition should be extended to include tasks that
would otherwise by done by a human sitting and clicking on a GUI.]

I think that definition is a little too neat and clean.  

Most people would call bash a scripting language, but it is also clearly
a programming language.  It has syntax, variables and expressions.  I
suspect it is Turing-complete, although I haven't seen a proof of that.

I would assert that scripting languages are a proper subset of programming
languages, not a separate category.
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/09/2013 04:26 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:
 Most people would call bash a scripting language, but it is also clearly
 a programming language.  It has syntax, variables and expressions.  I
 suspect it is Turing-complete, although I haven't seen a proof of that.
 
 I would assert that scripting languages are a proper subset of programming
 languages, not a separate category.

I'm pretty sure Bash is turing complete.  I know it's been shown that
sed is turing complete, and awk probably is too!  If I recall, the way
to show a language is turing complete is to implement a turing machine
in it.  I'm pretty sure bash could handle that, though maybe with help
from a standard set of unix tools one always finds used in conjunction
with the shell.  Here's one implementation:

https://github.com/thulsadum/bash-turing-machine/blob/master/turing.sh

I would say that scripting language isn't a definition of a type of
language, but rather a description of how a language is put to use in a
particular case.  For example, when embedded in a game, lua is used as a
scripting language to automate and extend the game in certain ways, by
exposing game objects to the lua engine and allowing interpreted lua
code to manipulate (script) them.  Javascript is the same thing in other
programs.  But whether you call javascript a scripting language in
firefox, or something much more (as it's actualy required for firefox to
function at all), is a matter of personal preference really.

I've seen python embedded in apps to act as a scripting language before.
 I've also seen full-blown apps written in python.

So yes, the distinction, as made by the original poster, isn't really
necessary.
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-09 Thread Terry Reedy

On 2/9/2013 6:53 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 02/09/2013 04:26 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:

Most people would call bash a scripting language, but it is also clearly
a programming language.  It has syntax, variables and expressions.  I
suspect it is Turing-complete, although I haven't seen a proof of that.

I would assert that scripting languages are a proper subset of programming
languages, not a separate category.


I'm pretty sure Bash is turing complete.  I know it's been shown that
sed is turing complete, and awk probably is too!  If I recall, the way
to show a language is turing complete is to implement a turing machine


If the language has arrays, conditional execution, and explicit (while) 
loops or recursion, you can be pretty sure it is Turing complete. I 
presume this covers awk and bash. Something like the game of Life, where 
the looping in implicit in the operation, is much harder to show Turing 
complete. I suspect sed is non-trivial also.


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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-09 Thread Terry Reedy

On 2/9/2013 6:26 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:

Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:


IMO, a scripting language is used to automate tasks that would
otherwise be done by a human sitting at a keyboard typing commands.
[Perhaps that definition should be extended to include tasks that
would otherwise by done by a human sitting and clicking on a GUI.]


I think that definition is a little too neat and clean.

Most people would call bash a scripting language, but it is also clearly
a programming language.  It has syntax, variables and expressions.  I
suspect it is Turing-complete, although I haven't seen a proof of that.

I would assert that scripting languages are a proper subset of programming
languages, not a separate category.


To me, 'scripting languages' include some non-Turing-complete languages 
and I would not call those 'programming languages'.



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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/09/2013 07:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
 If the language has arrays, conditional execution, and explicit (while) 
 loops or recursion, you can be pretty sure it is Turing complete. I 
 presume this covers awk and bash. Something like the game of Life, where 
 the looping in implicit in the operation, is much harder to show Turing 
 complete. I suspect sed is non-trivial also.

All you have to do to show a language is turing complete is to implement
a turing machine in it.  Here's one in sed that I found:
http://www.catonmat.net/blog/proof-that-sed-is-turing-complete/
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Stephane Wirtel
* gmspro gms...@yahoo.com [2013-02-08 05:03:51 -0800]:

 Hello all,
 
 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
 that true?
 
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What's the difference ?

http://openerp.com OpenERP is written with Python and this is an ERP,
Youtube is written with Python and used by Google.


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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Stefan Behnel
gmspro, 08.02.2013 14:03:
 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
 that true?

Apples and oranges. It's a bit like asking if C is an embedded systems
language or if JavaScript is a 3D graphics language. Well, no, but you can
use them for that if you want. That doesn't render them any less Turing
complete.

In the same way, Python is a programming language that can be used for
scripting, as well as lots of other things, from web programming to number
crunching.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread rusi
On Feb 8, 6:03 pm, gmspro gms...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
 that true?

 Thanks.

One said: English is the language spoken in England.
Another One said: English is the language internationally used for
commerce, academics and much else.

Who is 'true'?  Is one false because the other is true?

[Amusing that this is being said at the same time as a necroposted
thread about the multi-meanings of bool in python]

More seriously: Python is one of the first serious programming
languages and scripting languages.
Those who think that one excludes the other are probably learnt their
programming/CS half a century ago and stopped learning soon after.

For many such mis-takes in CS education see my:
http://blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-education-is-fat-and-weak-1.html
and its sequel
http://blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-education-is-fat-and-weak-2.html
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt

Am 08.02.2013 14:03, schrieb gmspro:

One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
that true?


That depends on your definition of scripting language and programming 
language.


Python's not a language but an animal.

Uli

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Steven D'Aprano
gmspro wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language,
 is that true?

Python is a high-level, object-oriented, strongly-typed programming language
with garbage collection, byte-code compilation, dynamic types, and syntax
that includes OOP, procedural and functional styles.

It is an excellent glue language for libraries written in C, C++, Fortran,
Java and CLR (dot-Net). It is also good for scripting. But that doesn't
mean it is only a scripting language.

Calling Python a scripting language is like calling an iPad a clock, just
because it has a clock app. Yes, you can use your iPad to tell the time,
and that makes it a clock. But it's not *just* a clock, and Python is not
*just* a scripting language.


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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Steven D'Aprano
gmspro wrote:

 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language,
 is that true?

I forgot to mention, there is a FAQ about this:

http://docs.python.org/2/faq/general.html#what-is-python-good-for



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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Albert Hopkins


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 08:03 AM, gmspro wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language,
 is that true?
 

According to Wikipedia[1] a scripting languages are a subset of
programming languages so it goes that any scripting language is, be
definition, a programming language.  It also says that scripting is
not so much an attribute of the language, but an attribute of the
interpreter, so one could say that C++ is a scripting language if one
were to use a C++ interpreter.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripting_language
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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote:
 ... one could say that C++ is a scripting language if one
 were to use a C++ interpreter.

And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++ in that way.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Kwpolska
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote:
 ... one could say that C++ is a scripting language if one
 were to use a C++ interpreter.

 And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++ in that way.

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Did you mean: And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++
in any way.


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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Dave Angel

On 02/08/2013 10:46 AM, Kwpolska wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote:

... one could say that C++ is a scripting language if one
were to use a C++ interpreter.


And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++ in that way.

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Did you mean: And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++
in any way.




I suspect he meant masochistic.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote:
 On 02/08/2013 10:46 AM, Kwpolska wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org
 wrote:

 ... one could say that C++ is a scripting language if one
 were to use a C++ interpreter.


 And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++ in that way.

 ChrisA


 Did you mean: And if one is sufficiently sadistic to actually use C++
 in any way.


 I suspect he meant masochistic.

Kinda both. Personally, I don't like to inflict torture on my hardware
any more than on myself.

http://xkcd.com/371/

Your C++ interpreter is grinning and holding a spatula.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-02-08, Stephane Wirtel steph...@wirtel.be wrote:
 * gmspro gms...@yahoo.com [2013-02-08 05:03:51 -0800]:

 Hello all,
 
 One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
 that true?
 
 Thanks.
 

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 What's the difference ?

IMO, a scripting language is used to automate tasks that would
otherwise be done by a human sitting at a keyboard typing commands.
[Perhaps that definition should be extended to include tasks that
would otherwise by done by a human sitting and clicking on a GUI.]


 http://openerp.com OpenERP is written with Python and this is an ERP,
 Youtube is written with Python and used by Google.

IMO, neither one of those is replacing a person typing commands or
clicking buttons, so neither of those are scripting applications.

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Re: Is Python programming language?

2013-02-08 Thread Mark Lawrence

On 08/02/2013 13:38, rusi wrote:

On Feb 8, 6:03 pm, gmspro gms...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello all,

One said, Python is not programming language, rather scripting language, is 
that true?

Thanks.


One said: English is the language spoken in England.


Wrong, English is spoken in some parts of England but I've no idea what 
you'd call the language used in Newcastle upon Tyne.


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New book The Python Programming Language by Guido van Rossum

2009-02-12 Thread Akira Kitada
The Python Programming Language by Guido van Rossum, Raymond Hettinger,
Jack Diedrich, David Beazley, David Mertz, Nicholas Coghlan to be published.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Programming-Language-Guido-Rossum/dp/0132299690

Anyone found the TOC of this?

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Re: New book The Python Programming Language by Guido van Rossum

2009-02-12 Thread Paul Rubin
Akira Kitada akit...@gmail.com writes:
 The Python Programming Language by Guido van Rossum, Raymond Hettinger,
 Jack Diedrich, David Beazley, David Mertz, Nicholas Coghlan to be published.
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Programming-Language-Guido-Rossum/dp/0132299690

Wow!  But it says the pub date is 28 Aug 2009.

 Anyone found the TOC of this?

Chances are, it's still being written and the final TOC is not yet known.
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