Re: Learning tkinter
On 2023-05-12 09:55, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote: I am trying to learn tkinter. Several examples on the internet refer to a messagebox class (tkinter.messagebox). But: Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import tkinter >>> tkinter.messagebox Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' >>> Why is this? It's a submodule of tkinter: >>> import tkinter.messagebox as mb >>> mb.showinfo -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning tkinter
On 5/18/23 08:50, Jim Schwartz wrote:
This works for me. Hope it helps.
from tkinter import messagebox
messagebox.showerror("Hi", f"Hello World")
It's probably instructive that IDLE always brings it in this way.
Lib/idlelib/config_key.py:from tkinter import messagebox
Lib/idlelib/configdialog.py:from tkinter import messagebox
Lib/idlelib/editor.py:from tkinter import messagebox
... etc
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Re: Learning tkinter
On 5/18/2023 9:13 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-05-12, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote: Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. import tkinter tkinter.messagebox Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' $ python Python 3.11.3 (main, May 8 2023, 09:00:54) [GCC 12.2.1 20230428] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. import tkinter from tkinter import messagebox messagebox Why is this? Dunno. tkinter is a package, messagebox is a module within the tkinter package. the messagebox module has some functions, such as showinfo(). You *can* import those functions using "dot" expressions: >>> from tkinter.messagebox import showinfo You can also import the entire module using the "dot" syntax: >>> import tkinter.messagebox >>> messagebox.showinfo Whether you can directly ask for tkinter.messagebox depends on whether it's been defined or imported in tkinter/__init__.py. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Learning tkinter
This works for me. Hope it helps.
from tkinter import messagebox
messagebox.showerror("Hi", f"Hello World")
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Subject: Learning tkinter
I am trying to learn tkinter.
Several examples on the internet refer to a messagebox class
(tkinter.messagebox).
But:
Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 bit
(Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
information.
>>> import tkinter
>>> tkinter.messagebox
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox'
>>>
Why is this?
TIA
Rob Cliffe
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Re: Learning tkinter
On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 19:15, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote: > > I am trying to learn tkinter. > Several examples on the internet refer to a messagebox class > (tkinter.messagebox). > But: > > Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 > bit (Intel)] on win32 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import tkinter > >>> tkinter.messagebox > Traceback (most recent call last): >File "", line 1, in > AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' > >>> > > Why is this? Is it possible that you've created a tkinter.py for your own tinkering? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning tkinter
On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 10:16, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote: > > I am trying to learn tkinter. > Several examples on the internet refer to a messagebox class > (tkinter.messagebox). > But: > > Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 > bit (Intel)] on win32 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import tkinter > >>> tkinter.messagebox > Traceback (most recent call last): >File "", line 1, in > AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' > >>> > > Why is this? Do you have a file called tkinter.py in the current directory? -- Oscar -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning tkinter
On 2023-05-12, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote: > > Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 > bit (Intel)] on win32 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import tkinter > >>> tkinter.messagebox > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' > >>> $ python Python 3.11.3 (main, May 8 2023, 09:00:54) [GCC 12.2.1 20230428] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import tkinter >>> from tkinter import messagebox >>> messagebox >>> > Why is this? Dunno. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Learning tkinter
I am trying to learn tkinter. Several examples on the internet refer to a messagebox class (tkinter.messagebox). But: Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import tkinter >>> tkinter.messagebox Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: module 'tkinter' has no attribute 'messagebox' >>> Why is this? TIA Rob Cliffe -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
On 12/6/2020 5:59 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 12/6/2020 3:11 AM, Sibylle Koczian wrote:
Am 05.12.2020 um 19:56 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
...
mainloop()
Shouldn't that be
root.mainloop()
?
Yes. The * import does not turn method into module functions.
But no, sort of. MRAB is correct that there is (an undocumented) module
function by the same name. It calls tkinter._default_root.tk.mainloop
if _default_root is not None. This is true if
tkinter._support_default_root == 1 (the default, but set to 0 in IDLE)
and tkinter.Tk has been called at least once.
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
On 12/6/2020 3:11 AM, Sibylle Koczian wrote:
Am 05.12.2020 um 19:56 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
...
mainloop()
Shouldn't that be
root.mainloop()
?
Yes. The * import does not turn method into module functions.
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
Am 06.12.2020 um 15:19 schrieb MRAB:
On 2020-12-06 08:11, Sibylle Koczian wrote:
Am 05.12.2020 um 19:56 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
Hi!
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
...
mainloop()
-
Shouldn't that be
root.mainloop()
?
The function 'mainloop' calls the 'mainloop' method of the root Tk
window created by Tk(), so it does work as-is.
Didn't know that, thank you!
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
On 2020-12-06 08:11, Sibylle Koczian wrote:
Am 05.12.2020 um 19:56 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
Hi!
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
...
mainloop()
-
Shouldn't that be
root.mainloop()
?
The function 'mainloop' calls the 'mainloop' method of the root Tk
window created by Tk(), so it does work as-is.
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
Am 05.12.2020 um 19:56 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
Hi!
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
...
mainloop()
-
Shouldn't that be
root.mainloop()
?
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
Às 20:20 de 05/12/20, MRAB escreveu:
> On 2020-12-05 18:56, Paulo da Silva wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Why this example does not work?
>>
> There are a few bits of configuration missing:
>
>> --
>> from tkinter import *
>>
>> root=Tk()
>> root.geometry("400x200")
>
> Add:
>
> root.grid_rowconfigure(0, weight=1)
> root.grid_columnconfigure(0, weight=1)
> root.grid_columnconfigure(1, weight=0)
>
>> S=Scrollbar(root)
>> T=Text(root)
>> T.grid(row=0,column=0)
>> S.grid(row=0,column=1)
>
> Change to:
>
> T.grid(row=0, column=0, sticky=NSEW)
> S.grid(row=0, column=1, sticky=NS)
>
>> S.config(command=T.yview)
>> T.config(yscrollcommand=S.set)
>> txt="""This is a very big text
>> -
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Re: Learning tkinter - a grid problem
On 2020-12-05 18:56, Paulo da Silva wrote:
Hi!
Why this example does not work?
There are a few bits of configuration missing:
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
Add:
root.grid_rowconfigure(0, weight=1)
root.grid_columnconfigure(0, weight=1)
root.grid_columnconfigure(1, weight=0)
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
T.grid(row=0,column=0)
S.grid(row=0,column=1)
Change to:
T.grid(row=0, column=0, sticky=NSEW)
S.grid(row=0, column=1, sticky=NS)
S.config(command=T.yview)
T.config(yscrollcommand=S.set)
txt="""This is a very big text
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-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Last line
"""
T.insert(END,txt)
mainloop()
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Learning tkinter - a grid problem
Hi!
Why this example does not work?
--
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
T.grid(row=0,column=0)
S.grid(row=0,column=1)
S.config(command=T.yview)
T.config(yscrollcommand=S.set)
txt="""This is a very big text
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
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-
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Last line
"""
T.insert(END,txt)
mainloop()
-
I would like it to work more or less like this
-
from tkinter import *
root=Tk()
root.geometry("400x200")
S=Scrollbar(root)
T=Text(root)
S.pack(side=RIGHT,fill=Y)
T.pack(side=LEFT,fill=Y)
S.config(command=T.yview)
T.config(yscrollcommand=S.set)
txt="""This is a very big text
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Last line
"""
T.insert(END,txt)
mainloop()
-
Thanks for any help
Paulo
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Re: Learning Tkinter
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:46:13 +0200, Doran, Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Second, I am trying to work through a couple of the examples and make
some small tweaks as I go to see how new things can work. In the first
case, I have copied the code in the book to see how the menu works and
are created as in the example menu.py below. I see how menus are created
and how the command option is used to call the function callback.
# menu.py
from Tkinter import *
def callback():
print called the callback!
root = Tk()
# create a menu
menu = Menu(root)
root.config(menu=menu)
filemenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=File, menu=filemenu)
filemenu.add_command(label=New, command=harold)
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback)
filemenu.add_separator()
filemenu.add_command(label=Exit, command=callback)
helpmenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=Help, menu=helpmenu)
helpmenu.add_command(label=About..., command=callback)
mainloop()
However, I now want to incorporate a basic python program with a
command. Say I have a simple program called test.py
# test.py
filename = raw_input(Please enter the file you want to open: )
new_file = raw_input(Save the output file as: )
f = open(new_file, 'w')
new = open(filename, 'r')
for line in new:
x = line.split('\t')
print f, x[0],':', x[1]
f.close()
To make this example complete assume I have a text file like this
# data.txt
1 one
2 two
3 three
4 four
So, the user currently just follows directions on the screen, enters the
file names, and I get what I want. I'd like to try experimenting with
gui programming to see if the python programs I have written can be made
even more user friendly. I currently use py2exe to create executables so
that others in my organization can use these programs.
In that spirit, say I want to have a menu option that allows the user to
search their computer for this file, execute the python code and then
save the result as a user-defined filename. So, I guess my questions are
how do I associate the portion of code in menu.py
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback) with an
operation that gives the user the ability to search the drives on their
machine and then once they do let python execute the code in test.py?
The way it's written, you'll have a hard time doing it... Since test.py
already includes a user interface via the raw_input calls, executing
test.py will always ask the user for the file names, and there's no simple
way to pass them otherwise as the module is written.
Considering how you asked the question, I'll assume you don't know Python
very much; my apologies in advance if it's not the case...
So, what I would do is rewrite the test.py script as follows:
--- test.py ---
def convert_file(filename, new_file):
f = open(new_file, 'w')
new = open(filename, 'r')
for line in new:
x = line.split('\t')
print f, x[0],':', x[1]
f.close()
if __name__ == '__main__':
filename = raw_input(Please enter the file you want to open: )
new_file = raw_input(Save the output file as: )
convert_file(filename, new_file)
---
This is basically the same as yours in another order, and defining a
function that actually does the 'functional' part without asking the user
anything. The last block - starting with this weird 'if __name__ ==
'__main__':' - ensures the script will work as you expect when you run it
alone on the command line (with 'python test.py'). This is the meaning of
the test on __name__: this magical variable is set to the string
'__main__' if and only if the current script is the top-most one, i.e the
one you ran python on. So basically, the script now defines a function,
then asks for the function parameters and calls it _only if run as the
main script_. Try it; it should have the same behaviour as the script
you've written.
But the test on __name__ also allows to *import* this script as a module
in another script without nasty side effects. This is done via the
statement:
import test
in the other script. If test.py is written as above, this will execute the
function definition, but not the body of the 'if', since test.py is no
more run from the command line, but used in an import. If you didn't have
this test, the module would have been *executed* by the import, and is
would have asked the file names immediatly.
Once you've done the import, you can then use the function it defines by
calling test.convert_file. So now, in your GUI part, you can now write
something like:
--- menu.py --
## NEW! the next line gets the 'convert_file' function
import test
from Tkinter import *
## NEW! the next line gets the functions used to get file names via a
Tkinter GUI
from tkFileDialog import askopenfilename, asksaveasfilename
## NEW! the
Learning Tkinter
I am currently reading An Intro to Tkinter (1999) by F. Lundh. This doc
was published in 1999 and I wonder if there is a more recent version.
I've googled a bit and this version is the one I keep finding. I like
how this document is organized and also how it provides the code with
visuals of what should appear on the screen. If there are other docs I
should read, please let me know.
Second, I am trying to work through a couple of the examples and make
some small tweaks as I go to see how new things can work. In the first
case, I have copied the code in the book to see how the menu works and
are created as in the example menu.py below. I see how menus are created
and how the command option is used to call the function callback.
# menu.py
from Tkinter import *
def callback():
print called the callback!
root = Tk()
# create a menu
menu = Menu(root)
root.config(menu=menu)
filemenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=File, menu=filemenu)
filemenu.add_command(label=New, command=harold)
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback)
filemenu.add_separator()
filemenu.add_command(label=Exit, command=callback)
helpmenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=Help, menu=helpmenu)
helpmenu.add_command(label=About..., command=callback)
mainloop()
However, I now want to incorporate a basic python program with a
command. Say I have a simple program called test.py
# test.py
filename = raw_input(Please enter the file you want to open: )
new_file = raw_input(Save the output file as: )
f = open(new_file, 'w')
new = open(filename, 'r')
for line in new:
x = line.split('\t')
print f, x[0],':', x[1]
f.close()
To make this example complete assume I have a text file like this
# data.txt
1 one
2 two
3 three
4 four
So, the user currently just follows directions on the screen, enters the
file names, and I get what I want. I'd like to try experimenting with
gui programming to see if the python programs I have written can be made
even more user friendly. I currently use py2exe to create executables so
that others in my organization can use these programs.
In that spirit, say I want to have a menu option that allows the user to
search their computer for this file, execute the python code and then
save the result as a user-defined filename. So, I guess my questions are
how do I associate the portion of code in menu.py
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback) with an
operation that gives the user the ability to search the drives on their
machine and then once they do let python execute the code in test.py?
Many thanks,
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Re: Learning Tkinter
You might want to look at these: Thinking in Tkinter http://www.ferg.org/thinking_in_tkinter/index.html Easygui http://www.ferg.org/easygui/index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Tkinter
On Apr 16, 7:46 am, Doran, Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am currently reading An Intro to Tkinter (1999) by F. Lundh. This doc
was published in 1999 and I wonder if there is a more recent version.
I've googled a bit and this version is the one I keep finding. I like
how this document is organized and also how it provides the code with
visuals of what should appear on the screen. If there are other docs I
should read, please let me know.
There's some good Tkinter coverage in Lutz's tome, Programming Python
3rd Ed. and it also shows how to do a search for a file across your
file system, iirc.
Second, I am trying to work through a couple of the examples and make
some small tweaks as I go to see how new things can work. In the first
case, I have copied the code in the book to see how the menu works and
are created as in the example menu.py below. I see how menus are created
and how the command option is used to call the function callback.
# menu.py
from Tkinter import *
def callback():
print called the callback!
root = Tk()
# create a menu
menu = Menu(root)
root.config(menu=menu)
filemenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=File, menu=filemenu)
filemenu.add_command(label=New, command=harold)
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback)
filemenu.add_separator()
filemenu.add_command(label=Exit, command=callback)
helpmenu = Menu(menu)
menu.add_cascade(label=Help, menu=helpmenu)
helpmenu.add_command(label=About..., command=callback)
mainloop()
However, I now want to incorporate a basic python program with a
command. Say I have a simple program called test.py
# test.py
filename = raw_input(Please enter the file you want to open: )
new_file = raw_input(Save the output file as: )
f = open(new_file, 'w')
new = open(filename, 'r')
for line in new:
x = line.split('\t')
print f, x[0],':', x[1]
f.close()
To make this example complete assume I have a text file like this
# data.txt
1 one
2 two
3 three
4 four
So, the user currently just follows directions on the screen, enters the
file names, and I get what I want. I'd like to try experimenting with
gui programming to see if the python programs I have written can be made
even more user friendly. I currently use py2exe to create executables so
that others in my organization can use these programs.
In that spirit, say I want to have a menu option that allows the user to
search their computer for this file, execute the python code and then
save the result as a user-defined filename. So, I guess my questions are
how do I associate the portion of code in menu.py
filemenu.add_command(label=Open..., command=callback) with an
operation that gives the user the ability to search the drives on their
machine and then once they do let python execute the code in test.py?
Many thanks,
It sounds like you want to run code from within your own program. This
would require embedding a Python interpreter, which is quite possible,
although I do not know how to do it. I would suggest that you just use
a Tkinter-created frame/window that allows the user to enter the
information into text controls rather than a command line type
interface. You could even use a Browse button and let the user
search for the file using a file dialog. Check out the sample code for
such a beast in the recipe linked below:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/438123
If you do want to go the embedding route, you'll want to read the
following information linked below:
http://docs.python.org/api/embedding.html
http://www.python.org/doc/ext/embedding.html
http://www.ragestorm.net/tutorial?id=21
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/embedpython_1.aspx
Hope that gets you going.
Mike
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Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
At 10:36 AM 4/6/2007, Russell E. Owen wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Stroud wrote: This begs the question, is anyone truly an expert in Tkinter? Frederick Lundh is, if anyone is. http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction/index.htm (outdated) http://effbot.org/tkinterbook/ (new but incomplete) I agree that this is an excellent resource. I find Welch's book and the on-line tcl/tk help very helpful for Tkinter programming--especially some of the more obscure details. But to use either of these resources comfortably you must learn the basics of Tkinter first (including understanding the simple mapping between Tkinter and Tcl/Tk). Where can I get this mapping spelled out? For learning the basics of Tkinter I suggest the links that Kevin listed above and/or Alex Martelli's Python in a Nutshell (an excellent reference in any case). Although owning the 2nd ed. of Python is a Nutshell, I hadn't thought of looking into it for Tkinker. There's a whole chapter, Tkinter GUIs (46 pages!). Grayson's book is another reasonable alternative (and includes enough reference material to keep you from having to refer to the tcl/tk documentation very often). One web tutorial that looks good to me is Thinking in Tkinter, by Stephen Ferg (http://www.ferg.org/thinking_in_tkinter/index.html). My thanks to all who responded. Dick Moores -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
Dick Moores wrote: At 10:36 AM 4/6/2007, Russell E. Owen wrote: I find Welch's book and the on-line tcl/tk help very helpful for Tkinter programming--especially some of the more obscure details. But to use either of these resources comfortably you must learn the basics of Tkinter first (including understanding the simple mapping between Tkinter and Tcl/Tk). Where can I get this mapping spelled out? Grayson Appendix A. $25 pdf--well worth it in your time. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
At 03:43 AM 4/7/2007, James Stroud wrote: Dick Moores wrote: At 10:36 AM 4/6/2007, Russell E. Owen wrote: I find Welch's book and the on-line tcl/tk help very helpful for Tkinter programming--especially some of the more obscure details. But to use either of these resources comfortably you must learn the basics of Tkinter first (including understanding the simple mapping between Tkinter and Tcl/Tk). Where can I get this mapping spelled out? Grayson Appendix A. $25 pdf--well worth it in your time. Terrific! Thank you. Dick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Stroud wrote: This begs the question, is anyone truly an expert in Tkinter? Frederick Lundh is, if anyone is. http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction/index.htm (outdated) http://effbot.org/tkinterbook/ (new but incomplete) I agree that this is an excellent resource. I find Welch's book and the on-line tcl/tk help very helpful for Tkinter programming--especially some of the more obscure details. But to use either of these resources comfortably you must learn the basics of Tkinter first (including understanding the simple mapping between Tkinter and Tcl/Tk). For learning the basics of Tkinter I suggest the links that Kevin listed above and/or Alex Martelli's Python in a Nutshell (an excellent reference in any case). Grayson's book is another reasonable alternative (and includes enough reference material to keep you from having to refer to the tcl/tk documentation very often). -- Russell -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
In a couple of places recently I've seen Brent Welch's _Practical Programming in Tcl Tk_ (http://tinyurl.com/ynlk8b) recommended for learning Tkinter well. So a couple of questions: 1) Is it really good for learning Tkinter, even though it doesn't mention Tkinter at all (in the 4th edition at least)? 2) If it is good for learning Tkinter, can I get by with a cheaper, used copy of the 3rd edition? Thanks, Dick Moores -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
Dick Moores wrote: In a couple of places recently I've seen Brent Welch's _Practical Programming in Tcl Tk_ (http://tinyurl.com/ynlk8b) recommended for learning Tkinter well. So a couple of questions: 1) Is it really good for learning Tkinter, even though it doesn't mention Tkinter at all (in the 4th edition at least)? 2) If it is good for learning Tkinter, can I get by with a cheaper, used copy of the 3rd edition? Thanks, Dick Moores Probably better is to get Grayson (google Grayson Tkinter). It covers Tkinter -- Tcl/Tk mapping to sufficient extent for Tkinter proficiency. I have found the online Tcl/Tk documentation to fill in the gaps. Tkinter seems to me to have been created largely automatically and so has much of the documentation that maps it to Tcl/Tk. This begs the question, is anyone truly an expert in Tkinter? James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
James Stroud wrote: This begs the question, is anyone truly an expert in Tkinter? Frederick Lundh is, if anyone is. http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction/index.htm (outdated) http://effbot.org/tkinterbook/ (new but incomplete) Coming to Python from a Tcl/Tk background, I find Tkinter to be pretty compatible with what I know about Tk: usually it's just a matter of figuring out how to translate the code. Having a Tk background from Tcl is also helpful in using some of the more advanced Tcl/Tk stuff that has been wrapped in Python, but isn't much documented or widely used, such as BWidgets. From that standpoint, the Welch book is a useful resource, though probably not essential. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Welch essential for learning Tkinter well?
Dick Moores [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a couple of places recently I've seen Brent Welch's _Practical Programming in Tcl Tk_ (http://tinyurl.com/ynlk8b) recommended for learning Tkinter well. I'm skeptical of the value of learning Tkinter really well. No matter how thoroughly you learn it, your GUI's are going to look crude and have a limited widget set. For lots of applications, a basic GUI which implements the needed functions straightforwardly is fine and Tkinter is good for that kind of thing. I've used it that way based on the online tutorials and it's been good enough for my purposes. But if I needed something fancier I'd probably go to a more advanced toolkit rather than trying to push the limits of tkinter. I mainly use http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter/ as tkinter docs and it's pretty good. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
