Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 2015-08-26, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 26/08/2015 22:20, Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: [snip] Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). The major advantage of this approach is that there are hundreds of mailing lists from gmane.comp.python available in a one stop shop. Better yet all sorts of goodies are available under news.gmane.org, e.g. gwene.org.python.planet or gwene.com.activestate.code.feeds.recipes.langs.python And the NNTP clients and protocol were designed from the ground up to handle largish volumes of messages grouped into lists and threads. Trying to coax that functionality out of e-mail by using list-servers and various procmail and e-mail client tricks results is a pretty poor substitute. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I have many CHARTS at and DIAGRAMS.. gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On 8/26/2015 2:14 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-26, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: It's also unfortunate that there's no way to to access the mailing list via an NNTP server Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general Or do you mean by the OP? I guess I should have used the old sarcasm tag. :) Damn -- It feels like April 1st all over again. :) Emile -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: And the NNTP clients and protocol were designed from the ground up to handle largish volumes of messages grouped into lists and threads. Trying to coax that functionality out of e-mail by using list-servers and various procmail and e-mail client tricks results is a pretty poor substitute. Or you use a client like Gmail that just organizes messages into threads for you without the user needing to do anything at all to set it up. It works quite well, and I've been using Gmail for so long now that I tend to forget that most MUAs *don't* do this automatically. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 08/26/2015 11:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: [snip] Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). I screwed already one time let's see if this post go through jm -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 27/08/2015 10:39, jmp wrote: On 08/26/2015 11:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: [snip] Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). I screwed already one time let's see if this post go through jm I'm using the time machine to fool you into thinking that this has all ready arrived :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
I wish I could, problem is, if the mail recipient is within the company,
no legal boilerplate is added making the joke fall flat.
What if you could send all your mail to another address on a server you
control, or can at least run programs on?
Could you configure all your outgoing mail to include the actual recipient
list in brackets in the subject line, rather than in the To: field?
So, your outgoing SMTP message, instead of looking like:
From: jeanmic...@sequans.com
To: Foo Barbaz f.bar...@foobarbaz.com, python-list@python.org
Subject: Please don't make blahblahblah
I wish I could, but I can't, ergo I won't
TOP SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES
might look more like:
From: jeanmic...@sequans.com
To: otheremailaddress@serveryoucontrol_or_canatleastrunprogramson.com
Subject: [Foo Barbaz f.bar...@foobarbaz.com, python-list@python.org]
Please don't make blahblahblah
I wish I could, but I can't, ergo I won't
TOP SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES?
Then could you use pass the message through a script that uses
email.message_from_string()
https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.parser.html#email.message_from_string
to create an email.message object, remove the delivery cruft by calling
email.message.__delitem__('Received') on it, recreate the actual To:
field with some to_list = [email.utils.parseaddr
https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.util.html(x) for x in
string_in_brackets_in_subject] hackery, do a quick
strained_string = re.sub https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html('TOP
SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES', '',
modifed.email.message.as_string())?
Could you then send that off?
This is not a privileged message. If you're reading this, it could be
because this is just a text file without any implied security or privacy
capacity.
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
- Original Message - From: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com Cc: python-list@python.org Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2015 6:11:51 PM Subject: Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4) On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. Heh, I like this! Or: -- BOILERPLATE TROPHY COLLECTION I am a collector of stupid legal boilerplate. Here's my latest acquisition: Then let your legal guys see one of your posts. Maybe they'll relent and let you not post it any more. ChrisA I wish I could, problem is, if the mail recipient is within the company, no legal boilerplate is added making the joke fall flat. Nice suggestion though. I may send it to my IT guys though, I'm sure they'll have a good laugh :) JM -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On Wednesday 26 August 2015 11:09:18 Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: - Original Message - From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. Agreed. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from participating. So do I Terry, but how many years will it take to convince corporate legal people that hanging that in a sig is a waste of time bandwidth. AFAIK, no court on _this_ planet has ever upheld the meaning of such a notice. All the legal beagles have to keep their presence on the payroll justified I guess. I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict myself even more. Please do not restrict yourself further. We'll ignore it (or the fussier amoung us should learn to tolerate it) just like we've been ignoring it for at least 20 years now. How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. JM -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Terry Jan Reedy Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. Heh, I like this! Or: -- BOILERPLATE TROPHY COLLECTION I am a collector of stupid legal boilerplate. Here's my latest acquisition: Then let your legal guys see one of your posts. Maybe they'll relent and let you not post it any more. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 8:59:44 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Terry Reedy writes: I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from participating. I have no power to prohibit people here. I do strongly request that such threatening legalistic screeds stay away from this forum. Does it really matter? We see right here - outright spam - useful stuff - borderline spam viz. interminable grumbles about top-posting, google-groups html-mail etc etc etc with nary a python issue in sight I dont think anyone would read these with the same eyes (so to speak). Why not treat Jean-Michel (and such) mails with a corresponding double-standard? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On 2015-08-26, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. Agreed. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from participating. I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict myself even more. How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. It's too bad there's just no way to get an email account other than through your employer. It's also unfortunate that there's no way to to access the mailing list via an NNTP server or web page. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I own seven-eighths of at all the artists in downtown gmail.comBurbank! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: It's also unfortunate that there's no way to to access the mailing list via an NNTP server Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general Or do you mean by the OP? Emile -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: [snip] Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). -- Terry Jan Reedy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: which is standard in many organisations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_normality -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On 2015-08-26, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: It's also unfortunate that there's no way to to access the mailing list via an NNTP server Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general Or do you mean by the OP? I guess I should have used the old sarcasm tag. :) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! LOOK!! Sullen at American teens wearing gmail.comMADRAS shorts and Flock of Seagulls HAIRCUTS! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com writes: -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. -- \ “It's easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do | `\ is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument | _o__)will play itself.” —Johann Sebastian Bach | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
- Original Message - From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict myself even more. JM -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: - Original Message - From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. Agreed. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from participating. I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict myself even more. How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. JM -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 26/08/2015 08:29, Ben Finney wrote: Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com writes: -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these legalistic demands. Haven't you got anything more important to worry about than this, which is standard in many organisations in the UK and presumably many other parts of the world? I wouldn't even have noticed if you hadn't flagged it up in front of everybodys' noses. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 26/08/2015 22:20, Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: [snip] Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). The major advantage of this approach is that there are hundreds of mailing lists from gmane.comp.python available in a one stop shop. Better yet all sorts of goodies are available under news.gmane.org, e.g. gwene.org.python.planet or gwene.com.activestate.code.feeds.recipes.langs.python -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
On 2015-08-26 17:20, Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/26/2015 12:36 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Are you allowed to use a newsreader or a mail+newsreader (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, many others)? If so post through newsgroup gmane.comp.python.general at news.gmane.org (as I am). Even if NNTP is blocked at work, it's likely that SSH is permitted, and thus you'd be able to SSH to an outside machine and run a terminal-based news reader like nn/slrn/trn/tin. -tkc -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Andy Kubiak andy.kub...@gmail.com wrote: What if you could send all your mail to another address on a server you control, or can at least run programs on? That seems like a lot more hassle than it would be worth. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from participating. I have no power to prohibit people here. I do strongly request that such threatening legalistic screeds stay away from this forum. On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict myself even more. How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the boilerplate below. Better: Don't use that mail system to participate here, and instead post using a mail system that doesn't add those obnoxious threats. -- \ “I went camping and borrowed a circus tent by mistake. I didn't | `\ notice until I got it set up. People complained because they | _o__) couldn't see the lake.” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
