Re: Python and version control
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:03:43 +, Alan Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my circles, VSS is most often referred to as Visual Source Unsafe. I always find it amusing that VSS's icon is a safe - with the door wide open. -- Cheers, Simon B, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Sergei Organov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am a keen user of Emacs, but version control, which is very simple when you are in a Linux environment, for example, is not a straightforward in Windows. Emacs + CVS (or CVSNT) should work just fine in Windows either. When I have to edit stuff on windows I use emacs. Cvs works fine on windows too. I haven't tried cvs in emacs on windows, but I suspect it will work fine as all emacs does is shell out to the cvs binaries. -- Nick Craig-Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.craig-wood.com/nick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Johann C. Rocholl wrote: Robert Brewer wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? I never liked coupling the two together like that. Instead I use tools like TortoiseCVS or (now) TortoiseSVN with a Subversion repository. These things let you access revision control features from context (right-button) menus right in Windows Explorer, as you browse the file system. Seconded. Thirded. Johann Fourth-ed! Roger -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:13:01 -0500, rumours say that Peter Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] might have written: BTW, as a general caution: while Visual Source Safe may be easy, it's also dangerous and has been known to corrupt many a code base, mine included. I wouldn't touch the product with a virtual ten-foot pole Are you sure you got the acronym right?-) It seems that VSS provides viRTual source-safety... -- TZOTZIOY, I speak England very best. Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving. (from RFC1958) I really should keep that in mind when talking with people, actually... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[Carl] What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? [Peter Hansen] I never liked coupling the two together like that. Instead I use tools like TortoiseCVS or (now) TortoiseSVN with a Subversion repository. These things let you access revision control features from context (right-button) menus right in Windows Explorer, as you browse the file system. [Robert Brewer] Seconded. [Johann C. Rocholl] Thirded. [Roger] Fourth-ed! I suppose that leaves me a Fifth Column subversionist. I couldn't work without svn and TortoiseSVN now: superb tools. -- alan kennedy -- email alan: http://xhaus.com/contact/alan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[Peter Hansen] BTW, as a general caution: while Visual Source Safe may be easy, it's also dangerous and has been known to corrupt many a code base, mine included. I wouldn't touch the product with a virtual ten-foot pole [Christos TZOTZIOY Georgiou] Are you sure you got the acronym right?-) It seems that VSS provides viRTual source-safety... In my circles, VSS is most often referred to as Visual Source Unsafe. -- alan kennedy -- email alan: http://xhaus.com/contact/alan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python and version control
Dear friends, What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? When you work on a Visual C++ project then it's easy, use Visual Source Safe for your source code! But when it comes to large Python projects and no universal Python IDE with version control integration is available, checking in and out files is not as simple. I am a keen user of Emacs, but version control, which is very simple when you are in a Linux environment, for example, is not a straightforward in Windows. What is the most common adopted approach among Python developers working in a Windows environment? Carl -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am a keen user of Emacs, but version control, which is very simple when you are in a Linux environment, for example, is not a straightforward in Windows. Emacs + CVS (or CVSNT) should work just fine in Windows either. -- Sergei. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? What is the most common adopted approach among Python developers working in a Windows environment? I never liked coupling the two together like that. Instead I use tools like TortoiseCVS or (now) TortoiseSVN with a Subversion repository. These things let you access revision control features from context (right-button) menus right in Windows Explorer, as you browse the file system. The best part is that they work regardless of which editor or other tool you have to work with, and you aren't at the mercy of a greedy corporation that decides it's time for you to upgrade so you can give them more money. You can also use the command line tools when appropriate, of course. -- BTW, as a general caution: while Visual Source Safe may be easy, it's also dangerous and has been known to corrupt many a code base, mine included. I wouldn't touch the product with a virtual ten-foot pole, and I strongly recommend to anyone who is stuck using it -- *especially in a multi-programmer environment* -- that they immediately abandon it in favour of something more stable. (Google can fill in background detail for anyone interested.) -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl wrote: Dear friends, What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? When you work on a Visual C++ project then it's easy, use Visual Source Safe for your source code! But when it comes to large Python projects and no universal Python IDE with version control integration is available, checking in and out files is not as simple. I am a keen user of Emacs, but version control, which is very simple when you are in a Linux environment, for example, is not a straightforward in Windows. What is the most common adopted approach among Python developers working in a Windows environment? Carl You can integrate PythonWin and version control if you know the appropriate incantation. Vss used to work fine, but I upgraded and couldn't be bothered to go through the installation steps again. regards Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Hansen wrote: Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? I never liked coupling the two together like that. Instead I use tools like TortoiseCVS or (now) TortoiseSVN with a Subversion repository. These things let you access revision control features from context (right-button) menus right in Windows Explorer, as you browse the file system. Seconded. Bob -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I use PVCS for version control and use IDLE or Vim (depending on my mood :-)) to write the programs. So far I have had no issues, works pretty well. Somehow, and it is just me, I don't care much for version control integrated with the IDE. Thanks, -Kartic -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl wrote: Dear friends, What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? When you work on a Visual C++ project then it's easy, use Visual Source Safe for your source code! But when it comes to large Python projects and no universal Python IDE with version control integration is available, checking in and out files is not as simple. I am a keen user of Emacs, but version control, which is very simple when you are in a Linux environment, for example, is not a straightforward in Windows. What is the most common adopted approach among Python developers working in a Windows environment? Carl I don't know that you'll find a common approach. I use Subversion for version control. For larger projects, I use Eclipse with the Pydev plugin for editing, and the Subclipse plugin for talking to Subversion. For smaller things, I usually just edit with SciTE and use the TortoiseSVN Explorer extension or the command-line utilities for checkins and updates. Peace, Joe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... I don't know that you'll find a common approach. I use Subversion for version control. For larger projects, I use Eclipse with the Pydev plugin for editing, and the Subclipse plugin for talking to Subversion. For smaller things, I usually just edit with SciTE and use the TortoiseSVN Explorer extension or the command-line utilities for checkins and updates. Peace, Joe Hi Joe, I'm curious. Why do you only use Eclipse for big projects? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? We use JEDI VCS (open source, free). To be fair, JEDI VCS actually integrates into the Delphi IDE, which is what we use mostly. However, the standard installation also installs a standalone client (as opposed to the IDE client) that you can use for anything. Actually, we use the standalone client for latex documentation, so I know it works well for non-Delphi stuff. The JEDI VCS server download (now) contains an embedded firebird database, which makes setting up the whole server thing a total breeze. I just did it a few days ago, took all of 2 minutes to set up the server and start the service (and send a mail out to everyone asking them to install the new client). Firebird is based on Interbase, if that means anything to you. You get full access controls (check-in/check-out), version history, rollbacks, milestones, integrated diff, check-in requests, per-file check-in/check-out comments, automated database backup, and so on. I cannot recommend it highly enough actually :) Though we use it all the time, we hardly think about it much, which is a really great feature for this type of thing. Of course, I have only used JEDI VCS, so I have nothing to compare it to: ymmv. keep well Caleb -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? I would very much recommend Subversion. It's in no way specific to either Windows or Python, but it's a wonderful tool. If you've ever used CVS, you'll feel right at home. Or after 10 minutes of learning the commands, that is. And as someone already suggested, TortoiseSVN is a great front-end for SVN. It integrates with the Windows shell very nicely. http://subversion.tigris.org/ http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ -- Timo Virkkala -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I'll throw in my reccomendation for svn as well. It just works. On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:01:33 -0800 (PST), Timo Virkkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? I would very much recommend Subversion. It's in no way specific to either Windows or Python, but it's a wonderful tool. If you've ever used CVS, you'll feel right at home. Or after 10 minutes of learning the commands, that is. And as someone already suggested, TortoiseSVN is a great front-end for SVN. It integrates with the Windows shell very nicely. http://subversion.tigris.org/ http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ -- Timo Virkkala -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Thomas G. Willis http://paperbackmusic.net -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Python and version control
Robert Brewer wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Carl wrote: What is the ultimate version control tool for Python if you are working in a Windows environment? I never liked coupling the two together like that. Instead I use tools like TortoiseCVS or (now) TortoiseSVN with a Subversion repository. These things let you access revision control features from context (right-button) menus right in Windows Explorer, as you browse the file system. Seconded. Thirded. Johann -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris wrote: Hi Joe, I'm curious. Why do you only use Eclipse for big projects? Habit, mainly; plus it's easier for one-offs and single-file scripts to just right-click a file in Explorer and Edit with ScITE and work from there. And to further complicate matters, when in FreeBSD or Linux, Eric3 and Kate fill the same roles as Eclipse and SciTE in Windows-land. Peace, Joe -- Soraia - http://www.soraia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
