Re: Python deployment options.
Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Charts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Well on a Win machine, probably. Almost every Linux machine you come across will have (most likely a fairly recent build of) python. For Macs, I'm not so sure but it's probably closer to Linux than Win. Recent releases of Mac OS build in Python. Python has been part of Mac OSX since OSX 10.2 (maybe even earlier but 10.2 is the earliest I've used). ML -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
On 8 Nov 2006 03:42:09 -0800, king kikapu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see...So, if these are the only options, the only safe bet is to install the language on the machine (beeing Win, Linux or Mac) and execute the .py files, right ?? No, those are not the only options. Check out PyInstaller: http://pyinstaller.python-hosting.com/ I haven't used the latest versions. But, I've used the old Gordon McMillan package that PyInstaller is based on, and had good success. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options
Rooy, If you are still having problems with py2exe, I suggest you start with the simplest program you can build and include everything in one file. Make that work like the simple examples in the py2exe samples. jim-on-linux http://www.inqvista.com On Wednesday 08 November 2006 22:04, Hieu Hoang wrote: Hi list, I have packaged a few pygames to one exe file with pyinstaller ( http:/ /pyinstaller.python-hosting.com/ ), sent them to my friends and the executables work. Running them shows a Fatal Error dialog box with only MSVCR71.DLL, but nothing breaks, despite whether the system has python or not. I haven't been able to figure out py2exe setup script yet, so I can't compare them. Hope this helps, Rooy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python deployment options.
Hi to all folks here, i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program to users that do not have the labguage installed ?? I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains the runtime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .py files can be run ?? Thanks in advance, king kikapu -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
Hi,try:http://www.py2exe.org/regards,DimitriOn 8 Nov 2006 02:37:42 -0800, king kikapu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi to all folks here,i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program tousers that do not have the labguage installed ??I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains theruntime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .pyfiles can be run??Thanks in advance,king kikapu--http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- ---You can't have everything. Where would you put it? -- Steven Wright---please visit www.serpia.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
king kikapu wrote: Hi to all folks here, i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program to users that do not have the labguage installed ?? I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains the runtime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .py files can be run ?? Thanks in advance, king kikapu Well, on Windows you have to look for the Py2Exe package (www.py2exe.org) On Mac OS X you can use Py2App (http://undefined.org/python/py2app.html) Mind you, on Windows there is one big potentional problem: Python is compiled with Visual Studio 2003 and needs msvcr71.dll. So Py2Exe wants to distribute that dll also, but if you don't have a valid Visual Studio license, you are not allowed to. It is explained further in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/bccb45b7dae7ddd5/dacec12e300a74d4#dacec12e300a74d4 I doubt Microsoft will unleash their lawyers on you, but it is a problem. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
I see...So, if these are the only options, the only safe bet is to install the language on the machine (beeing Win, Linux or Mac) and execute the .py files, right ?? On Nov 8, 1:24 pm, Chris_147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: king kikapu wrote: Hi to all folks here, i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program to users that do not have the labguage installed ?? I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains the runtime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .py files can be run ?? Thanks in advance, king kikapuWell, on Windows you have to look for the Py2Exe package (www.py2exe.org) On Mac OS X you can use Py2App (http://undefined.org/python/py2app.html) Mind you, on Windows there is one big potentional problem: Python is compiled with Visual Studio 2003 and needs msvcr71.dll. So Py2Exe wants to distribute that dll also, but if you don't have a valid Visual Studio license, you are not allowed to. It is explained further in this thread:http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/bcc... I doubt Microsoft will unleash their lawyers on you, but it is a problem. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
king kikapu wrote: I see...So, if these are the only options, the only safe bet is to install the language on the machine (beeing Win, Linux or Mac) and execute the .py files, right ?? Well on a Win machine, probably. Almost every Linux machine you come across will have (most likely a fairly recent build of) python. For Macs, I'm not so sure but it's probably closer to Linux than Win. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Charts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Well on a Win machine, probably. Almost every Linux machine you come across will have (most likely a fairly recent build of) python. For Macs, I'm not so sure but it's probably closer to Linux than Win. Recent releases of Mac OS build in Python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
Chris_147 wrote: king kikapu wrote: Hi to all folks here, i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program to users that do not have the labguage installed ?? I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains the runtime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .py files can be run ?? Thanks in advance, king kikapu Well, on Windows you have to look for the Py2Exe package (www.py2exe.org) On Mac OS X you can use Py2App (http://undefined.org/python/py2app.html) Mind you, on Windows there is one big potentional problem: Python is compiled with Visual Studio 2003 and needs msvcr71.dll. So Py2Exe wants to distribute that dll also, but if you don't have a valid Visual Studio license, you are not allowed to. It is explained further in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/bccb45b7dae7ddd5/dacec12e300a74d4#dacec12e300a74d4 I think that is an incorrect reading of the thread. The *Python* developers need a valid Visual Studio license to redistribute msvcr71.dll. When you build an app with py2exe you are just bundling Python with your application and so don't need the license. Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/index2.shtml -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
king kikapu wrote: I see...So, if these are the only options, the only safe bet is to install the language on the machine (beeing Win, Linux or Mac) and execute the .py files, right ?? On Nov 8, 1:24 pm, Chris_147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: king kikapu wrote: Hi to all folks here, i just bought a book and started reading about this language. I want to ask what options do we have to deploy a python program to users that do not have the labguage installed ?? I mean, can i make an executable file, or something that contains the runtime and the modules that the program only use or am i forced to download the language to the user machine so the .py files can be run ?? Thanks in advance, king kikapuWell, on Windows you have to look for the Py2Exe package (www.py2exe.org) On Mac OS X you can use Py2App (http://undefined.org/python/py2app.html) Mind you, on Windows there is one big potentional problem: Python is compiled with Visual Studio 2003 and needs msvcr71.dll. So Py2Exe wants to distribute that dll also, but if you don't have a valid Visual Studio license, you are not allowed to. It is explained further in this thread:http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/bcc... I doubt Microsoft will unleash their lawyers on you, but it is a problem. py2exe and py2app work extremely well. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to use them if you want to distribute to those platforms. Actually they take the installed version of python out of the equation (at least I know py2exe does). -Larry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options.
Fuzzyman wrote: I think that is an incorrect reading of the thread. The *Python* developers need a valid Visual Studio license to redistribute msvcr71.dll. When you build an app with py2exe you are just bundling Python with your application and so don't need the license. Here is a summary of my understanding of the problem, mind you that I am not a lawayer: The Python.org developers use a properly licensed VC7 to build Python. Under the EULA they can redistribute msvcr71.dll along with Python. Anyone can distribute Python from Python.org, and msvcr71.dll is a part of this software. Thus, it is at least legally to distribute a Python MSI installer from Python.org. If you make a Python program, you can distribute Python along with the program. I.e. you don't need a VC7 license to sell software that someone else has made and includes msvcr71.dll. For Py2Exe things are a bit more complicated. It rips Python.Runtime.dll from the Python directory, and renames it Python24.dll. Python24.dll then depends on msvcr71.dll. It's not obvious that one can still legally distribute msvcr71.dll along with Python24.dll, even if Python.Runtime.dll was built with a legally licensed VC7. It is possible that Python24.dll or msvcr71.dll in the process looses it status as licensee software from Python.org's VC7.The Python.org team don't care about the issue, it seems. If they did care, they could settle the issue by putting up a zip-file with Python24.dll and msvcr71.dll for download. I don't think they quite understand how important Py2Exe is on Windows. Buying a VC7 license is cheaper than paying a lawyer that understands the problem. However, even with a VC7 license you can only redistribute msvcr71.dll with software you build your self - so you need to build Python your self and not use a Python24.dll ripped from Python.org's Python distro. But then ... who cares? Microsoft wants you to make software for their OS. They even have their own version of Python for free download (aka IronPython). A MS lawyer harassing you for legal details regarding msvcr71.dll is beyond unlikely, although you never know. You can play nice and ask Microsoft for permission to put msvcr71.dll inside your Py2Exe'd Python app. Whether they will respond or grant permission I don't know. Finally, patent issues are more important when making software for a living. Are you sure nobody has a broad patent covering parts of your software? These are often held by parasitic companies that use broad software patents as spider webs to catch prey. They will suck blood from you if they can, and give you less than nothing in return, something Microsoft probably will not do. Microsoft makes and sells software, including the Windows operating system, patent sharks just thrive off their patents. Being sued by one of those are far more likely. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python deployment options
Hi list, I have packaged a few pygames to one exe file with pyinstaller ( http:/ /pyinstaller.python-hosting.com/ ), sent them to my friends and the executables work. Running them shows a Fatal Error dialog box with only MSVCR71.DLL, but nothing breaks, despite whether the system has python or not. I haven't been able to figure out py2exe setup script yet, so I can't compare them. Hope this helps, Rooy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
