Re: Can .py be complied?
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John J. Lee wrote: [...] I'm hesitant to label everybody who disagrees with you (and me) on that a zealot. Though I tend to take the same side you do, I'm not [...] Well, we appear to agree. Please note I wasn't labelling anyone a zealot, simply implying that I didn't want the discussion to descend to blind repetitions of principle with no supporting arguments. [...] Sorry, I wasn't reading carefully. I suppose really my thought was directed more at the programming world in general, which often feels free to label free software advocates as loonies (I've been guilty of this myself, I'm sure). Of course, lots of them *are* loonies, but that's beside the point. ;-) John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
John J. Lee wrote: Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] There's nothing wrong with open source projects catering to a market, and there's nothing wrong with running open source software on a proprietary operating system. To behave otherwise might reduce the growth opportunities for Python and its community. no-zealotry-please-ly y'rs - steve [...] I'm hesitant to label everybody who disagrees with you (and me) on that a zealot. Though I tend to take the same side you do, I'm not entirely sure it's not just laziness on my part that I think that way. Seems to me that holding opinions such as it's a bad thing to support open source software on closed source systems, and you should not do it, for the common good is far from crazy, even though I don't currently happen to hold that view. Well, we appear to agree. Please note I wasn't labelling anyone a zealot, simply implying that I didn't want the discussion to descend to blind repetitions of principle with no supporting arguments. I have no problem with others taking a different view from mine on this issue, though I reserve the right to disagree with them. My own view is that open source (Python included) wouldn't be anywhere near as advanced and popular as it is if it hadn't been ported to the majority platform, and that this actually positions it better for eventual world domination :-). There's a reason Microsoft are fighting Linux with FUD. Let's also not forget that at PyCon, (I am told) when Jim Hugunin asked for a show of hands as to who principally developed for Windows platforms, *Guido* raised his hand. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: [snap] Until they install the next program that does this. If we talk about _real_ users from the _real_ world, the most of them would just kill the app (or what is the name for stopping running program in w32) when the download begins[1] :) [1] 'hey, is that a spyware or what? what takes so darn long?' -- http://www.pdemb.prv.pl -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
jfj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
/* small program in C in self extracting archive
*/
if (have_application (Python)) {
have_python:
system (python.exe my_application.py)
} else {
printf (This software requires python. Wait until all the
necessary components are being installed\n);
download_python_from_python_org();
system (install_python.exe);
goto have_python;
}
Goto. Ugh.
if (!have_application(Python)) {
printf (This software requires python. Wait until all the
necessary components are being installed\n);
download_python_from_python_org();
system (install_python.exe);
}
system(python.exe my_application.py);
mike
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Re: Can .py be complied?
On 28 Apr 2005 07:01:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO the fact that so many people ask How can I create executables in Python on Windows indicates that standard batteries included Windows Python distribution is missing a vital battery. It indicates to *me* that people aren't reading the FAQ. ;-) -- Cheers, Simon B, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
steve.leach wrote: python -o foo.exe foo.py at the command line, and get an executable, without any further effort. Hence making the resulting program useless to users of most operating systems. Let's ignore for the moment whether including py2exe as a battery is a desirable thing from an abstract point of view. We may legitimately differ about that. We should not forget in our enthusiasm for open source that while users of most operating systems might not find py2exe useful, most users of operating systems may well, since Windows users outnumber the rest several times. There's nothing wrong with open source projects catering to a market, and there's nothing wrong with running open source software on a proprietary operating system. To behave otherwise might reduce the growth opportunities for Python and its community. no-zealotry-please-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] There's nothing wrong with open source projects catering to a market, and there's nothing wrong with running open source software on a proprietary operating system. To behave otherwise might reduce the growth opportunities for Python and its community. no-zealotry-please-ly y'rs - steve [...] I'm hesitant to label everybody who disagrees with you (and me) on that a zealot. Though I tend to take the same side you do, I'm not entirely sure it's not just laziness on my part that I think that way. Seems to me that holding opinions such as it's a bad thing to support open source software on closed source systems, and you should not do it, for the common good is far from crazy, even though I don't currently happen to hold that view. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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jfj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
/* small program in C in self extracting archive
*/
if (have_application (Python)) {
have_python:
system (python.exe my_application.py)
} else {
printf (This software requires python. Wait until all the
necessary components are being installed\n);
download_python_from_python_org();
system (install_python.exe);
goto have_python;
}
Seriously, people who want executables wouldn't notice the difference.
Until they install the next program that does this.
John
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Re: Can .py be complied?
Thx very much, I got the point now ( ; The latter. It's not completely self contained, there is an ..exe and some dll files that need to be distributed together. It's explained very clearly by the py2exe web site: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/ Never used google before? Just go to www.google.com and type in py2exe. Click search. It's the first hit. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is something VIOLENT at going to happen to a visi.comGARBAGE CAN? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
I've just tried to build both console and windows exe and it works just fine monkey wrote: Thx very much, I got the point now ( ; -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
IMO the fact that so many people ask How can I create executables in Python on Windows indicates that standard batteries included Windows Python distribution is missing a vital battery. There are tools such as py2exe, but this functionality should be built-in, so that a newbie to Python can just download it, type python -o foo.exe foo.py at the command line, and get an executable, without any further effort. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
python -o foo.exe foo.py at the command line, and get an executable, without any further effort. Hence making the resulting program useless to users of most operating systems. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMO the fact that so many people ask
How can I create executables in Python on Windows
indicates that standard batteries included Windows Python
distribution is missing a vital battery. There are tools such as
py2exe, but this functionality should be built-in, so that a newbie to
Python can just download it, type
python -o foo.exe foo.py
at the command line, and get an executable, without any further effort.
Since this is about windows and windows users just want everything in
.exe form (no matter if it also contains spyware), and they don't care
about the size of it (they just want the damn exe) and since there is
zero chance that python will be included in the next windows
distribution but these people still want the exe (they do, really),
I think I have a convenient solution to give it to them.
/* small program in C in self extracting archive
*/
if (have_application (Python)) {
have_python:
system (python.exe my_application.py)
} else {
printf (This software requires python. Wait until all the
necessary components are being installed\n);
download_python_from_python_org();
system (install_python.exe);
goto have_python;
}
Seriously, people who want executables wouldn't notice the difference.
jfj
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Re: Can .py be complied?
steve.leach wrote: python -o foo.exe foo.py at the command line, and get an executable, without any further effort. Hence making the resulting program useless to users of most operating systems. In close sourced development, which most corporates may prefer, yes, the resulting program is useless to users of most operating systems. In open sourced developement, it is still a good feature to have. At least for distribution to end users or as trial. To end users, they don't care, as long as they can click and run the program they need. To developers, if the codes are close source, nothing can be done anyway even if you have the codes, licensing agreements and contracts usually forbids everything. If the codes are open source, you will get the codes anyway and do according to the limits of the licence. maurice -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
python -o foo.exe foo.py Is that a real command that can be use? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
U¿ytkownik monkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If using Jython to complie, is the end-user need JRE instead of Python installed, or need both of them? Only JRE. Just like Java. I don't know the exact details, but try using the compiled Python scripts (bytecode). I believe they are semi-optimized and platform independent. They are the .pyc and .pyo files generated when the script is run. Is that means a .py convert to .pyc or .pyo, without the need of make file as using py2exe? .pyc files are generated every time a module (any .py file can be a module) is imported. So if you have a program, say, example.py, you just start the python interpreter and write: import example And then example.pyc will appear beside example.py. This new file does not require example.py (you can even delete it), and works on any computer with Python installed (on Windows you can just double-click it) If you start the Python interpreter using: python -OO (if you are using Windows, you shoud start the interpreter from the command line, probably something like: c: cd \ python24\python -OO) and then import your example.py, you will get a file example.pyo, which is also stripped of any documentation strings (a bit harder to decode). regards, Filip Dreger -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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monkey wrote: It is generally not very easy or straight-forward. For now, you can use pyfreeze to snap the application. If your application does not use any C modules, you can try to use Jython instead. Cheers Maurice If using Jython to complie, is the end-user need JRE instead of Python installed, or need both of them? The end-user needs the JRE, not Python. Kent -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the exact details, but try using the compiled Python scripts (bytecode). I believe they are semi-optimized and platform independent. They are the .pyc and .pyo files generated when the script is run. Okay, I found this documentation http://fux0r.phathookups.com/programming-tutorials/Python/tut/node43.html. It hides the source but you still need Python installed on the system running the bytecode. But those files can be decompyled. -- -- Lucas Raab lvraab@earthlink.net dotpyFE@gmail.com AIM:Phoenix11890 MSN:dotpyfe@gmail.com IRC:lvraab ICQ:324767918 Yahoo: Phoenix11890 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
Maurice LING [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If your application does not use any C modules, you can try to use Jython instead. Program in python but use jythonc to convert it into Java source files and package it into Java JAR files, then you will only need to release the JAR files without needing to release your codes. using Jython will not helps to hide your sources - jar-files are also easy to decompile and to receive the source code (it will even looks like original). To avoid releasing your java-code (as far as it possible), the jar-files are also necessary for processing by obfuscators -- Best regards, Maksim Kasimov mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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And then example.pyc will appear beside example.py. This new file does not require example.py (you can even delete it), and works on any computer with Python installed Filip, you can read through my mind (-: You just told me what I want to know exactly, even I can't ask the question correctly. Thx.. python24\python -OO) and then import your example.py, you will get a file example.pyo, which is also stripped of any documentation strings (a bit harder to decode). Is .pyo still not secure for serious purpose? The -OO function refer to which area of python that I can read a doc in details? The end-user needs the JRE, not Python. Kent Actually I still not dare to touch Jython, because I am still digging python now. But the JRE may not attract end-user, because it is still associate with slow and eating much system resource, although Java is sure a respectfully programming language. What do you think? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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But those files can be decompyled. Hi, so which way to go? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2005-04-27, monkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I want more options. Since the python doc mentioned py2exe only, and it is difficult to understand how it work.(may be you guys know C and make file, but I am still foolish here...) py2exe has nothing to do with C or make files. You create a setup.py file containing a couple lines of python. You run that python program, and you end up with an .exe file and some associated .dll files. I typically use inno-setup to create an installer.exe that creates a desktop icon and start-menu entry, but that's optional. Is that means a .py convert to .pyc or .pyo, without the need of make file as using py2exe? Huh? You don't need a make file for py2exe. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'd like TRAINED at SEALS and a CONVERTIBLE on visi.commy doorstep by NOON!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
py2exe has nothing to do with C or make files. You create a setup.py file containing a couple lines of python. You run that python program, and you end up with an .exe file and some associated .dll files. I typically use inno-setup to create an installer.exe that creates a desktop icon and start-menu entry, but that's optional. Is py2exe used to make a .exe file to install .py, or make the self-contain .exe file of the program itself? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
On 2005-04-27, monkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: py2exe has nothing to do with C or make files. You create a setup.py file containing a couple lines of python. You run that python program, and you end up with an .exe file and some associated .dll files. I typically use inno-setup to create an installer.exe that creates a desktop icon and start-menu entry, but that's optional. Is py2exe used to make a .exe file to install .py, or make the self-contain .exe file of the program itself? The latter. It's not completely self contained, there is an ..exe and some dll files that need to be distributed together. It's explained very clearly by the py2exe web site: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/ Never used google before? Just go to www.google.com and type in py2exe. Click search. It's the first hit. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is something VIOLENT at going to happen to a visi.comGARBAGE CAN? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Harlin Seritt wrote: Hi monkey, Not a stupid question especially if you're trying to create commercial software and don't want to reveal your source. At any rate, you can use py2exe to create a .exe file. It does have some cons to it since you Some very severe cons considering that would mean his code would only run on a certain infamous legacy operating system that will remain unnamed. The last I checked, .exe files were rather useless on most operating systems. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi monkey, Not a stupid question especially if you're trying to create commercial software and don't want to reveal your source. At any rate, you can use py2exe to create a .exe file. It does have some cons to it since you are compiling an interpreted script but it works fine in this capacity. If you would like to obfuscate your code (disguise it) without an executable you can try pyobfuscate as well. Just Google for these two and you'll find easily. Harlin Seritt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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monkey wrote: Hi all, I am new to programming, already have a glace on introduction of c++, java and finally decided on python. But I found that the .py file is just like the source file, how can I make a program without revealing its source? (may be my question is a little bit stupid) It is generally not very easy or straight-forward. The developers of CPython had generally intended that the source codes be the actual distribution, and is not likely to change. (see the thread on bytecode non-backcompatibility) For now, you can use pyfreeze to snap the application, which is to bundle your application to a python interpreter (bootstrapping) as a package but this will not create a portable application. You can only run the application on the native system that it is frozen on. For example, if i freeze my application on Mac OSX, I won't be able to run that on MS Windows. Freezing bootstraps the system's python onto the application. If your application does not use any C modules, you can try to use Jython instead. Program in python but use jythonc to convert it into Java source files and package it into Java JAR files, then you will only need to release the JAR files without needing to release your codes. Cheers Maurice -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
I don't know the exact details, but try using the compiled Python scripts (bytecode). I believe they are semi-optimized and platform independent. They are the .pyc and .pyo files generated when the script is run. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can .py be complied?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the exact details, but try using the compiled Python scripts (bytecode). I believe they are semi-optimized and platform independent. They are the .pyc and .pyo files generated when the script is run. Okay, I found this documentation http://fux0r.phathookups.com/programming-tutorials/Python/tut/node43.html. It hides the source but you still need Python installed on the system running the bytecode. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
