Re: OT Questions
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Joshua Landau wrote: > I feel necessity to argue against this point. > > It is a common thing to stereotype teens in this way - but, being teen > myself, I feel one should try to avoid it. It's painful to watch every time > someone claims "he can't be a teenager - his spelling/grammar is too good" > or any derivation of it, as with the inverse concept that the uneducated are > always teenagers. > > i have techers who type lke this, and I have teachers who type very > professionally. > I have peers of my age group who meticulously craft their online > conversations, n i no BFFs who dun b like that. > > How someone speaks on the internet seems to me proportional almost entirely > to their intelligence*, not to their wisdom. Sure, there is an age where > one, no matter how bright, will speak like trash, but this normally > coincides with an inability to speak well, too. Most older teenagers have as > good a grasp on language as they will ever learn, so it hardly applies to > them. The aggressive defensiveness had me thinking intelligent *younger* teenager, actually, possibly a tween. Mostly though the idea was based on what I had seen of his website, which reminded me of some of the ambitious efforts of myself and my peers when I was around that age myself. In any case, he's claimed to be older, so with no real evidence to the contrary, I will take his word for it. > * Note that I speak not of IQ or problem-solving ability, but more of a > general social intelligence that can be seen in almost any poster on this > list. My social intelligence is pretty darn low in real life, but I like to think that I comport myself reasonably well on the net. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 16 October 2012 18:23, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Demian Brecht > wrote: > > There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just > > someone quite misdirected. A brief search shows that he has multiple > > domains, all with the same type of design. I would be hard pressed to > think > > that someone would go to that extent just to troll a list. > > > > Meh, maybe it's my good nature :P > > My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto is probably an > enterprising teenager. His desire to build a web development company > is sincere and should be encouraged, but his lack of experience is > readily apparent, as is his rather crude behavior on list. > I feel necessity to argue against this point. It is a common thing to stereotype teens in this way - but, being teen myself, I feel one should try to avoid it. It's painful to watch every time someone claims "he can't be a teenager - his spelling/grammar is too good" or any derivation of it, as with the inverse concept that the uneducated are always teenagers. i have techers who type lke this, and I have teachers who type very professionally. I have peers of my age group who meticulously craft their online conversations, n i no BFFs who dun b like that. How someone speaks on the internet seems to me proportional almost entirely to their intelligence*, not to their wisdom. Sure, there is an age where one, no matter how bright, will speak like trash, but this normally coincides with an inability to speak well, too. Most older teenagers have as good a grasp on language as they will ever learn, so it hardly applies to them. * Note that I speak not of IQ or problem-solving ability, but more of a general social intelligence that can be seen in almost any poster on this list. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> > You haven't been on lists long enough then to have seen some real > flame warts...no offense. No offense taken, it's why I said it in the first place ;) Having said that, generally engaging in flame wars solves nothing and sheds a negative light on the individuals who take part in it. > It's in a design phase, and I'm asking the local experts to critique > it, and even be harsh. You're not a designer. There's nothing at all wrong with that (I'm not either for the record). Most aren't good at both left *and* right-brained functions. My sincere suggestion is pick which aspect of development piques your interest the most and follow that. Delegate the other aspects to others who are good at what they do. Remember.. You're asking for feedback here :) > It was meant as more of a commercial to show a little more umph in my > site presentation, and I'm working on reducing the size through > several different means. It's a bad way of advertising your business. In this day and age, there will likely be less people looking for potential contractors on desktop systems than on mobile devices. As such, you want to make sure that your site has very little in the way of heavy graphics (unless there's a version that the user gets redirected to that's mobile-friendly). Take advantage of client-side rendering where possible. > I know this, and I'm trying to reduce it, but show something that's appealing. My point was that it shouldn't be there *at all*. Automatically playing music is widely thought of as being annoying and does absolutely nothing at all for your business. You're not selling games, you're not selling DJ services. I can guarantee that you will turn away more prospective business by having the music there in the first place than not having any at all. > I kind of like my designs, and they're being refined through these > conversations. I like my designs too. However, I realized *long* ago that I'm not good at them. I even grew to dislike even doing design work because of how much extra time and effort it took to develop something decent rather than just concentrating on what I was good at. My designs wouldn't hold up compared to other professional entities and unless there are remarkable improvements, yours won't either. > I like w3schools.com, and I know that it's a rough draft, and so > should my critics. w3schools is generally thought of as being a bad resource. Take a read through http://w3fools.com (there are many other resources, that was just the first one that popped up on Google search). Udacity has a high powered academic faculty. Coursera is another great resource. Both have content that you'll never get from resources like w3schools. Open higher learning is where it's at. > I like to work alone, and his is an attempt to get others in the OS > community to comment. Working alone is almost always the worst thing that you can do if you're new (or newer) to development, design, user experience or any combination thereof. Surrounding yourself with people smarter than you is the best way to learn and grow. Sure, you can attempt to get some of that over mailing lists and the like, but nothing will *ever* beat in-person environments. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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David Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Prasad, Ramit > wrote: > > David Hutto wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht > >> wrote: [snip] > > > The question is whose opinion matters. Yours? Mine? Others? Personally, > > I heartily second the recommendation to get professional advice on site > > design. Your site reminds me of something I would create in the '90s > > with FrontPage (do people even use that anymore?) as an amateur or > > hobbyist; not something I would create as a professional attempting > > to market my services. > > > I'm moving toward the smaller devices, but I'm a desktop guy, and so > are a lot of others. And what site doesn't have a frontpage? Just to clarify Microsoft FrontPage was a late 90s/early-2000's application for creating web pages with a WYSIWYG front end. The precursor to Adobe's Dreamweaver and sort of the web design equivalent of Microsoft Word. [snip] Out of curiosity, is there a reason you did not pick Python (seeing as this is a Python mailing list) for this task? Or conversely, is there a reason you picked PHP? Ramit Prasad This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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David Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0400, Dwight Hutto wrote: > > > >> this was just a confidence statement that I'm > >> intelligent as well, so don't get uppity with me. > > > > Please tone down the aggression. > > > > > It's email, things get misinterpreted sometimes. > True, which is why we should all take a little extra care in what we write to avoid misinterpretation, especially in terms of offensiveness. Besides, what you write here is public and can be seen by anyone with access to the Internet and a search engine. That includes prospective clients/employers! I know there is an increasing trend for employers to search the Internet to learn about potential employees. I do the same before I hire a company for many things (e.g. house/car repair, translator, etc). Ramit Prasad This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0400, Dwight Hutto wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto >>> wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: > I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on > a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people > smarter than you ;)). Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. >>> >>> A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, >>> your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's insistence >>> that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". >>> >>> >> Someone insulted my intelligence, and stated how they worked with much >> smarter people... > > Much smarter people than *himself*, not smarter than you. Demian made no > comment about *your* intelligence. > >> this was just a confidence statement that I'm >> intelligent as well, so don't get uppity with me. > > Please tone down the aggression. > > It's email, things get misinterpreted sometimes. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0400, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >>> wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than you ;)). >>> >>> Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists >>> since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. >> >> A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, >> your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's insistence >> that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". >> >> > Someone insulted my intelligence, and stated how they worked with much > smarter people... Much smarter people than *himself*, not smarter than you. Demian made no comment about *your* intelligence. > this was just a confidence statement that I'm > intelligent as well, so don't get uppity with me. Please tone down the aggression. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 10/17/12 11:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than you ;)). Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's insistence that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". Someone insulted my intelligence, and stated how they worked with much smarter people...this was just a confidence statement that I'm intelligent as well, so don't get uppity with me. No, you misread his sentence. That's not at all what he was saying. He was saying that one of the benefits that a person may get from working with people smarter than said person is that they can ascertain said person's strengths. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote: > David Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >> wrote: >> > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here >> > and there) does not constitute good >> design. >> >> It's simplicity within a symbolism, and now that I need money for >> medical reasons, the work I've done isn't perfect, but it's on par. >> >> I know when I see something aesthetically pleasing, and if I like what >> I have, I'm using the same mindset. >> >> If you're showcasing logo work, I hope you're ready to supply >> variations that can be used cross-medium. Well, all of these are my domain names, and works in progress/revision. The client would get several versions, and know what they want me to do, I just have to be able to do it for them, and add in a little extra to show my worth to them. >> >> These are all portfolio sites of my own, and I'm slowly revising them, >> just like any other rough draft, and as you can tell I'm asking other >> people to critique it. >> > > Aesthetics and web design are relative to the eye of the beholder. It's a statistic. I see things that lots of others like, so when I design, I say tomyself do I like that enough? But it's always in revision for perfection of the piece being worked on, just like apps have revisions, so do logos and artwork. > The question is whose opinion matters. Yours? Mine? Others? Personally, > I heartily second the recommendation to get professional advice on site > design. Your site reminds me of something I would create in the '90s > with FrontPage (do people even use that anymore?) as an amateur or > hobbyist; not something I would create as a professional attempting > to market my services. > I'm moving toward the smaller devices, but I'm a desktop guy, and so are a lot of others. And what site doesn't have a frontpage? > Now I do not say this in order to be mean, but to provide constructive > criticism. Not because I do not like the site; but because I think > *other* people will not like the site layout and ultimately my opinion > does not matter; it matters what your prospective clients think. That goes back to stats. You might not be the demographic I attract, but others will like it...hopefully That > is unless you can afford to turn away business by sticking to your > design principles. No, the client is the main opinionator. If they like some of my stuff, and have an idea they need implemented, I just showcae I can do it. > > Several top level links did not work and that is a bad sign for a > portfolio. At the very least, take a few minutes to setup a blank page I thought there were blank pages, and within the next week or so, there will be more. I'm looking toward other programmers for peer review to refine my main site. > so the visitor does not get a 404 error. The background of your logo > page should match the color scheme of the rest of the website. Oh, > and your logo for your main page is incomprehensible to me. I am not > sure if it is a artistic design or some text, but it is too hard to make > out. > > It is hard to say much more since the site is so bare. I will reiterate > what others have said regarding background sounds (especially ones that > start by default). If you take a look at some famous websites and you will > notice that they rarely have sound and for good reason. > It's more of a commercial to me. In the end it doesn't show the webcrawlers for SEO my text, and it's a rough draft. It'll eventually be just a banner ad, and there will be a more static design. > Another thing to note is wasted space. Network bandwidth is a commodity. > You pay for it and your visitor pays for it. You pay for it in terms of > hosting or internet service while the visitor pays for it in internet > service and possibly even in their data cap. I cannot imagine loading > your website from a phone (nor would I ever try to). > > You want to be as efficient as possible. Have you ever taken a look at > Google's home page source? Now they are an extreme example of keeping a site > lean, but maybe that will give you an idea of how important it is. An overly > giant GIF and sound files are poor choices. It should be easy to compress the > GIF to a *much* smaller file size while keeping the animation. You can > probably use a midi file for the same effect with regards to sounds I'm working on the reduction right now, and that's the reason for asking for reviews. . > > I hope that helps, Don't worry, it does. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-10-17, Dwight Hutto wrote: > >> No I'm not a troll. I like to answer, as well as ask, and sometimes >> things get heated, and you get called a name, and the name takes the >> argument out of context sometimes. > > Uh, what? How can a name take an argument out of context? "Taking > something out of context" is something done by a somebody who is > reading or quoting somebody else. > > -- I meant that you get called a name when someone reads something that has been taken out of the context of several arguments between a few people in several threads, and call you something like a racist. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >> wrote: >>> I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a >>> daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than >>> you ;)). >> >> Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists >> since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. > > A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, > your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's > insistence that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". > Someone insulted my intelligence, and stated how they worked with much smarter people...this was just a confidence statement that I'm intelligent as well, so don't get uppity with me. > Personally, I've never taken an IQ test, so I don't know how well I'd > score. But I'm a school dropout, never went to > college/uni/TAFE/etc/etc, don't have any certifications of any sort. Me too, I was tested earlier in life, and took others. Dropped out in ninth grade, and went to the library to self learn, which isn't always the best path, but the one I took as well. > I'm a pretty uneducated fella, according to my > résum&htmlentitiesdontworkhere; (that's "resume" when folded > into ASCII). So according to how most people think about intelligence, > I probably have a sub-par IQ. There are many aspects to 'sub-par I.Q.', because I like to think everyone has a savant skill in them. On the flip side, I'm a professional > programmer, I run a server where people play Dungeons and Dragons, and > I'm a well-respected wordsmith as Dungeon Master. Plus, I work in > theatre (in fact, at the moment I'm posting from the bio box, sitting > next to the follow spot that I'll be operating for the next two > weeks). So I think I have enough muscle upstairs to get through > life... Bench pressing those molecules, and problem solving is just like bench pressing some weight...it gives you the ability to do a little heavy mental lifting when necessary. > > But Dwight (and I'll continue to address you as such until you change > your mail headers), I'll get to that eventually. a LOT of what you're saying is coming across as > over-inflated ego. No, just stating to another I'm intelligent as well, so don't push the subject if you don't want the actual response of who I am. Maybe you are a majorly interdisciplinary learner; > but boasting that you're "the most interdisciplinary learner [we] > might have ever encountered" just comes across poorly. Not a boast. I'm forgetful sometimes because I OCD crash coursing everything, so I just say that with confidence, not arrogance. One thing I've > learned from various groups is that, no matter how X you are, there's > someone else who's even more X - for any X. Maybe it isn't true > somewhere, maybe you really are the peak - but more than likely you > aren't, Probably not, I've met many who I can tell you are greater, but I have my pride as well when I enter into a conversation, and get insulted. and it's much more pleasant to be proved better than your > claim than to be proved worse. > > (There are exceptions, of course. I have absolutely no doubt that I am > the person most familiar with the RosMud++ code and thus the person > best positioned to maintain that project. This is because I wrote it. > But I am not claiming to be the best C++ programmer in the world, > because there are a lot of other C++ programmers among the seven > billion here.) > Went to write my own language as well, but got caught up in a million more I liked better. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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David Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: > > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here > > and there) does not constitute good > design. > > It's simplicity within a symbolism, and now that I need money for > medical reasons, the work I've done isn't perfect, but it's on par. > > I know when I see something aesthetically pleasing, and if I like what > I have, I'm using the same mindset. > > If you're showcasing logo work, I hope you're ready to supply > variations that can be used cross-medium. > > These are all portfolio sites of my own, and I'm slowly revising them, > just like any other rough draft, and as you can tell I'm asking other > people to critique it. > Aesthetics and web design are relative to the eye of the beholder. The question is whose opinion matters. Yours? Mine? Others? Personally, I heartily second the recommendation to get professional advice on site design. Your site reminds me of something I would create in the '90s with FrontPage (do people even use that anymore?) as an amateur or hobbyist; not something I would create as a professional attempting to market my services. Now I do not say this in order to be mean, but to provide constructive criticism. Not because I do not like the site; but because I think *other* people will not like the site layout and ultimately my opinion does not matter; it matters what your prospective clients think. That is unless you can afford to turn away business by sticking to your design principles. Several top level links did not work and that is a bad sign for a portfolio. At the very least, take a few minutes to setup a blank page so the visitor does not get a 404 error. The background of your logo page should match the color scheme of the rest of the website. Oh, and your logo for your main page is incomprehensible to me. I am not sure if it is a artistic design or some text, but it is too hard to make out. It is hard to say much more since the site is so bare. I will reiterate what others have said regarding background sounds (especially ones that start by default). If you take a look at some famous websites and you will notice that they rarely have sound and for good reason. Another thing to note is wasted space. Network bandwidth is a commodity. You pay for it and your visitor pays for it. You pay for it in terms of hosting or internet service while the visitor pays for it in internet service and possibly even in their data cap. I cannot imagine loading your website from a phone (nor would I ever try to). You want to be as efficient as possible. Have you ever taken a look at Google's home page source? Now they are an extreme example of keeping a site lean, but maybe that will give you an idea of how important it is. An overly giant GIF and sound files are poor choices. It should be easy to compress the GIF to a *much* smaller file size while keeping the animation. You can probably use a midi file for the same effect with regards to sounds. I hope that helps, Ramit This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 17-Oct-2012 11:31, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than you ;)). Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's insistence that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". Personally, I've never taken an IQ test, so I don't know how well I'd score. But I'm a school dropout, never went to college/uni/TAFE/etc/etc, don't have any certifications of any sort. I'm a pretty uneducated fella, according to my résum&htmlentitiesdontworkhere; (that's "resume" when folded into ASCII). So according to how most people think about intelligence, I probably have a sub-par IQ. On the flip side, I'm a professional programmer, I run a server where people play Dungeons and Dragons, and I'm a well-respected wordsmith as Dungeon Master. Plus, I work in theatre (in fact, at the moment I'm posting from the bio box, sitting next to the follow spot that I'll be operating for the next two weeks). So I think I have enough muscle upstairs to get through life... But Dwight (and I'll continue to address you as such until you change your mail headers), a LOT of what you're saying is coming across as over-inflated ego. Maybe you are a majorly interdisciplinary learner; but boasting that you're "the most interdisciplinary learner [we] might have ever encountered" just comes across poorly. One thing I've learned from various groups is that, no matter how X you are, there's someone else who's even more X - for any X. Maybe it isn't true somewhere, maybe you really are the peak - but more than likely you aren't, and it's much more pleasant to be proved better than your claim than to be proved worse. (There are exceptions, of course. I have absolutely no doubt that I am the person most familiar with the RosMud++ code and thus the person best positioned to maintain that project. This is because I wrote it. But I am not claiming to be the best C++ programmer in the world, because there are a lot of other C++ programmers among the seven billion here.) ChrisA An excellent response Chris :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2012-10-17, Dwight Hutto wrote: > No I'm not a troll. I like to answer, as well as ask, and sometimes > things get heated, and you get called a name, and the name takes the > argument out of context sometimes. Uh, what? How can a name take an argument out of context? "Taking something out of context" is something done by a somebody who is reading or quoting somebody else. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I own seven-eighths of at all the artists in downtown gmail.comBurbank! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: >> I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a >> daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than >> you ;)). > > Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists > since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. A high IQ just proves ability to score well on IQ tests. On the whole, your statement strikes me as reminiscent of Sheldon Cooper's insistence that "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested!". Personally, I've never taken an IQ test, so I don't know how well I'd score. But I'm a school dropout, never went to college/uni/TAFE/etc/etc, don't have any certifications of any sort. I'm a pretty uneducated fella, according to my résum&htmlentitiesdontworkhere; (that's "resume" when folded into ASCII). So according to how most people think about intelligence, I probably have a sub-par IQ. On the flip side, I'm a professional programmer, I run a server where people play Dungeons and Dragons, and I'm a well-respected wordsmith as Dungeon Master. Plus, I work in theatre (in fact, at the moment I'm posting from the bio box, sitting next to the follow spot that I'll be operating for the next two weeks). So I think I have enough muscle upstairs to get through life... But Dwight (and I'll continue to address you as such until you change your mail headers), a LOT of what you're saying is coming across as over-inflated ego. Maybe you are a majorly interdisciplinary learner; but boasting that you're "the most interdisciplinary learner [we] might have ever encountered" just comes across poorly. One thing I've learned from various groups is that, no matter how X you are, there's someone else who's even more X - for any X. Maybe it isn't true somewhere, maybe you really are the peak - but more than likely you aren't, and it's much more pleasant to be proved better than your claim than to be proved worse. (There are exceptions, of course. I have absolutely no doubt that I am the person most familiar with the RosMud++ code and thus the person best positioned to maintain that project. This is because I wrote it. But I am not claiming to be the best C++ programmer in the world, because there are a lot of other C++ programmers among the seven billion here.) ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: >> This is my prototype portfolio for freelancing. If you have an honest >> critique, then what, in your opinion, am I good at? >> >> https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb > > I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily > basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than you ;)). Doubt that, unless they have 160+ I.Q.'s(been seeing psychiatrists since I was 13). I'm very secure in my childlike intellectualism. > > What I feel safe in assuming is that: > > * You seemingly have a *want* to learn, which in itself is very important. Want to. I'm the most interdisciplinary learner you might have ever encountered in your life. Like you said, you don't know me that well, and this isn't intended to get mean...I just had to get honest with myself without that much ego. > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here and > there) does not constitute good design. It's simplicity within a symbolism, and now that I need money for medical reasons, the work I've done isn't perfect, but it's on par. I know when I see something aesthetically pleasing, and if I like what I have, I'm using the same mindset. If you're showcasing logo work, I hope you're ready to supply variations that can be used cross-medium. These are all portfolio sites of my own, and I'm slowly revising them, just like any other rough draft, and as you can tell I'm asking other people to critique it. > * You're not a game developer Not yet, but wait until you see a translated prototype from python/tkinter turned into blender. I'm fond of games, and I try to not mimic, but keep in the same realm of professional. Remember you're looking at rough drafts, and you haven't seen other developments. (given what I've seen, I highly doubt that you can readily tackle the complexities in game development even in a team environment, let alone solo) You mean a GDK with a story line, points, and scores with little cool graphics. Lowly doubt your opinion of that. > > Don't lie (this includes stretching the truth). In which case have i lied. I'm capable of many things, and that's confidence, not arrogance. In doing so, you'll mismanage client expectations and simply drive any future prospective clients away. Under-promise, over-deliver ;) > This I believe in somewhat, but I want to tell the client I can do it, and they're the final inspector who oversees the project. I just algorithm, develop, and deliver their expectations. > As to not flood the list with OT discussion, if you can stay away from the > flame wars (I avoid such things, directly or indirectly as it's childish and > entirely unprofessional), Defending yourself when attacked is a necessity. In business people will run over you, steal your ideas, and take advantage of you, and I can't let that happen in any forum, no matter how childish it can get. I don't mind answering questions here and there (just e-mail me directly). I'm not a genius or a guru, but I've had enough experience that I may be of some help in pointing you in the right directions if you're genuinely interested. I'm a lonely guy, and I like friends. I only flame up in hostile situations. So we can discuss this off list, and I'll accept any advice I acknowledge as being beneficial, and will argu a point I think is valid. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> This is my prototype portfolio for freelancing. If you have an honest > critique, then what, in your opinion, am I good at? > > https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than you ;)). What I feel safe in assuming is that: * You seemingly have a *want* to learn, which in itself is very important. * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here and there) does not constitute good design. If you're showcasing logo work, I hope you're ready to supply variations that can be used cross-medium. * You're not a game developer (given what I've seen, I highly doubt that you can readily tackle the complexities in game development even in a team environment, let alone solo) Don't lie (this includes stretching the truth). In doing so, you'll mismanage client expectations and simply drive any future prospective clients away. Under-promise, over-deliver ;) As to not flood the list with OT discussion, if you can stay away from the flame wars (I avoid such things, directly or indirectly as it's childish and entirely unprofessional), I don't mind answering questions here and there (just e-mail me directly). I'm not a genius or a guru, but I've had enough experience that I may be of some help in pointing you in the right directions if you're genuinely interested. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: >> >> You haven't been on lists long enough then to have seen some real >> flame warts...no offense. > > No offense taken, it's why I said it in the first place ;) Having said that, > generally engaging in flame wars solves nothing and sheds a negative light on > the individuals who take part in it. > >> It's in a design phase, and I'm asking the local experts to critique >> it, and even be harsh. > > You're not a designer. There's nothing at all wrong with that (I'm not either > for the record). Most aren't good at both left *and* right-brained functions. > My sincere suggestion is pick which aspect of development piques your > interest the most and follow that. Delegate the other aspects to others who > are good at what they do. > > Remember.. You're asking for feedback here :) > >> It was meant as more of a commercial to show a little more umph in my >> site presentation, and I'm working on reducing the size through >> several different means. > > It's a bad way of advertising your business. In this day and age, there will > likely be less people looking for potential contractors on desktop systems > than on mobile devices. As such, you want to make sure that your site has > very little in the way of heavy graphics (unless there's a version that the > user gets redirected to that's mobile-friendly). Take advantage of > client-side rendering where possible. > >> I know this, and I'm trying to reduce it, but show something that's >> appealing. > > My point was that it shouldn't be there *at all*. Automatically playing music > is widely thought of as being annoying and does absolutely nothing at all for > your business. You're not selling games, you're not selling DJ services. I > can guarantee that you will turn away more prospective business by having the > music there in the first place than not having any at all. > >> I kind of like my designs, and they're being refined through these >> conversations. > > I like my designs too. However, I realized *long* ago that I'm not good at > them. I even grew to dislike even doing design work because of how much extra > time and effort it took to develop something decent rather than just > concentrating on what I was good at. My designs wouldn't hold up compared to > other professional entities and unless there are remarkable improvements, > yours won't either. > >> I like w3schools.com, and I know that it's a rough draft, and so >> should my critics. > > w3schools is generally thought of as being a bad resource. Take a read > through http://w3fools.com (there are many other resources, that was just the > first one that popped up on Google search). Udacity has a high powered > academic faculty. Coursera is another great resource. Both have content that > you'll never get from resources like w3schools. Open higher learning is where > it's at. > >> I like to work alone, and his is an attempt to get others in the OS >> community to comment. > > Working alone is almost always the worst thing that you can do if you're new > (or newer) to development, design, user experience or any combination > thereof. Surrounding yourself with people smarter than you is the best way to > learn and grow. Sure, you can attempt to get some of that over mailing lists > and the like, but nothing will *ever* beat in-person environments. > This is my prototype portfolio for freelancing. If you have an honest critique, then what, in your opinion, am I good at? https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:24 -0400, David Hutto wrote: > I'm working on toning down the smack talk, I'm just used to a little > witty back and forth with some seriously cruel individuals. Thank you David, that is appreciated. I see that you have changed your signature to match your preferred name (David rather than Dwight). You might not realise that your "From address" still says Dwight -- I had to manually change it above. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:23:09 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto is probably an >> enterprising teenager > > My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto belongs in the bozo bin. Maybe you're a little too serious. From what I've seen, a little clowning around makes days easier, and it's supposed to be good natured discussion that just gets misconveyed in an email with no personal contact. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: >> There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just >> someone quite misdirected. A brief search shows that he has multiple >> domains, all with the same type of design. I would be hard pressed to think >> that someone would go to that extent just to troll a list. >> >> Meh, maybe it's my good nature :P > > My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto is probably an > enterprising teenager. Nope 33, with a bad history, and trying to reinvent myself. And my nature is always shop talk, and messing around with the guys, and it's never mean. I'm a self educated individual, and I like to joke some, which doesn't get conveyed when you're in an email/text conversation, and you can't hear the tone or pitch of my voice joking with you. That can lead to a misinterpretation of what's said. His desire to build a web development company > is sincere and should be encouraged, but his lack of experience You have no clue about my other skill sets, and what I do, so get to know me, and you'll see experience s that will blow your mind. This comes from a former crip/tru soldier getting his life straight instead of the other options I have available. is > readily apparent, as is his rather crude behavior on list. I'm working on toning down the smack talk, I'm just used to a little witty back and forth with some seriously cruel individuals. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM, rusi wrote: > On Oct 16, 7:55 pm, Demian Brecht wrote: >> I'm not sure whether or not this is a troll, but I'll bite. > > Do trolls exist any more than pixies, elves, gnomes, unicorns? > Trolling posts of course do... IOW: > >> There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just >> someone quite misdirected. I've spet a lot of time alone working on things I like, and just wanted to have some good critics come in without the bs that can go on, and sometimes I sling a little mud at awhat seems to be a personal attack. > > means giving the benefit of doubt and seems to me to be good policy > (withing reasonable limits) > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > - Original Message - > > [snip a link to a 1980's personal gif based homepage] > >> Now having said all of that, if this is a troll, I feel rather >> foolish. > > Search deep inside your heart, and you'll realize you already know the answer > to that question :o) > No I'm not a troll. I like to answer, as well as ask, and sometimes things get heated, and you get called a name, and the name takes the argument out of context sometimes. You can't like everybody, and sometimes egos get in the way. Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I'm not sure whether or not this is a troll, but I'll bite. No, not a troll, I've been around these lists for a while, and a few wild arguments stemming from both my ego, and some other programmer's arrogance. > > If you're going to ask for people's opinions on your work, I would try to > keep the negativity in a list to zero. If a flame on you pops up, you sometimes fight fire with fire. There are a lot of things that get mixed up. Like maybe a personal reply instead of reply all, that everyone else missed, or didn't see another thread in which the argument started. I'm relatively new to this list and > the tirades that you've gone on have been childish at best. You haven't been on lists long enough then to have seen some real flame warts...no offense. Doing that and > then turning around and asking for useful feedback (if you're genuinely > looking for it) is not going to yield much. It does from those who I trust as not going to go into rants, such as I have, but mine are usually in response, and yes they do get nasty at times. > > Now that that's over.. > > I couldn't get to your oDesk profile, got an empty page. That *could* be > caused by the dead zones that I'm hitting atm, but I gave up after a few > tries. It's there, and it's a starter portfolio for other freelance sites looking for work. > > I then went to your website and here's what I can see from a glance. This > isn't meant to be harsh or slag you personally, but learn what you're doing > before you attempt to create a company to help others. If you *do* know what > you're doing, use your site to showcase that. Nobody will hire someone with > a business site like your current site: It's in a design phase, and I'm asking the local experts to critique it, and even be harsh. > > * You have a bloated, 50+MB gif serving your page contents. That's just bad > for obvious reasons It was meant as more of a commercial to show a little more umph in my site presentation, and I'm working on reducing the size through several different means. . > * There's no DOCTYPE declaration in your HTML. > * You have s mixed in pre- > * You don't have a container Working on it buddy. > * You have embedded music. Not only is this a bad design choice from a UX > perspective, but it's also causing the client to load more I know this, and I'm trying to reduce it, but show something that's appealing. . > * You have *no* SEO Not yet, and the graphic has no text for the web crawlers to parse, which I'm aware of, as well as no meta tags > * You have commented out HTML This is the design phase, and that will be removed. > * You don't have any design sense (not a personal attack, I don't have any > either). I kind of like my designs, and they're being refined through these conversations. > > My suggestions: > * Take courses (free or paid) on web development. Udacity has a few good > ones. I like w3schools.com, and I know that it's a rough draft, and so should my critics. > * Apply your learnings to your site. Showcase what you can do and what you > know and what you can do. > * Look for a designer partner, someone who can make your work visually > appealing. The visuals are the first impression (after initial load times). I like to work alone, and his is an attempt to get others in the OS community to comment. > > > Now having said all of that, if this is a troll, I feel rather foolish. Only trolling for fish under the bridge...clients -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:23:09 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto is probably an > enterprising teenager My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto belongs in the bozo bin. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: > There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just > someone quite misdirected. A brief search shows that he has multiple > domains, all with the same type of design. I would be hard pressed to think > that someone would go to that extent just to troll a list. > > Meh, maybe it's my good nature :P My theory for a while now has been that Mr. Hutto is probably an enterprising teenager. His desire to build a web development company is sincere and should be encouraged, but his lack of experience is readily apparent, as is his rather crude behavior on list. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Oct 16, 7:55 pm, Demian Brecht wrote: > I'm not sure whether or not this is a troll, but I'll bite. Do trolls exist any more than pixies, elves, gnomes, unicorns? Trolling posts of course do... IOW: > There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just > someone quite misdirected. means giving the benefit of doubt and seems to me to be good policy (withing reasonable limits) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 10/16/2012 8:13 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Search deep inside your heart, and you'll realize you already know the answer to that question :o) JM There's a small light somewhere deep down that says maybe this is just someone quite misdirected. A brief search shows that he has multiple domains, all with the same type of design. I would be hard pressed to think that someone would go to that extent just to troll a list. Meh, maybe it's my good nature :P -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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- Original Message - [snip a link to a 1980's personal gif based homepage] > Now having said all of that, if this is a troll, I feel rather > foolish. Search deep inside your heart, and you'll realize you already know the answer to that question :o) JM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 10/15/2012 9:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: Like a lot of people here, I'm trying to build a web development business. I'm starting off by building a profile on a freelance site. I would like some honest opinions(don't be too harsh), about my approach. I'm looking for a team effort to analyze my marketability. This is just my prototype freelance portfolio: https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb I'm not sure whether or not this is a troll, but I'll bite. If you're going to ask for people's opinions on your work, I would try to keep the negativity in a list to zero. I'm relatively new to this list and the tirades that you've gone on have been childish at best. Doing that and then turning around and asking for useful feedback (if you're genuinely looking for it) is not going to yield much. Now that that's over.. I couldn't get to your oDesk profile, got an empty page. That *could* be caused by the dead zones that I'm hitting atm, but I gave up after a few tries. I then went to your website and here's what I can see from a glance. This isn't meant to be harsh or slag you personally, but learn what you're doing before you attempt to create a company to help others. If you *do* know what you're doing, use your site to showcase that. Nobody will hire someone with a business site like your current site: * You have a bloated, 50+MB gif serving your page contents. That's just bad for obvious reasons. * There's no DOCTYPE declaration in your HTML. * You have s mixed in pre- * You don't have a container * You have embedded music. Not only is this a bad design choice from a UX perspective, but it's also causing the client to load more. * You have *no* SEO * You have commented out HTML * You don't have any design sense (not a personal attack, I don't have any either). My suggestions: * Take courses (free or paid) on web development. Udacity has a few good ones. * Apply your learnings to your site. Showcase what you can do and what you know and what you can do. * Look for a designer partner, someone who can make your work visually appealing. The visuals are the first impression (after initial load times). Now having said all of that, if this is a troll, I feel rather foolish. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > Like a lot of people here, I'm trying to build a web development business. > I'm starting off by building a profile on a freelance site. > > I would like some honest opinions(don't be too harsh, or you can be, that's > what it's about), about my approach. > I'm looking for a team effort to analyze my marketability. > > This is just my prototype freelance portfolio: > > https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb > > -- > Best Regards, > David Hutto > CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
