Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-27 Thread Emile van Sebille

On 8/26/2015 2:14 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2015-08-26, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote:

On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:

It's also unfortunate that there's no way to
to access the mailing list via an NNTP server


Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at
news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general

Or do you mean by the OP?


I guess I should have used the old sarcasm tag. :)



Damn -- It feels like April 1st all over again.  :)

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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Kubiak

 I wish I could, problem is, if the mail recipient is within the company,
 no legal boilerplate is added making the joke fall flat.


What if you could send all your mail to another address on a server you
control, or can at least run programs on?

Could you configure all your outgoing mail to include the actual recipient
list in brackets in the subject line, rather than in the To: field?

So, your outgoing SMTP message, instead of looking like:
From: jeanmic...@sequans.com
To: Foo Barbaz f.bar...@foobarbaz.com, python-list@python.org
Subject: Please don't make blahblahblah
I wish I could, but I can't, ergo I won't

TOP SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES

might look more like:
From: jeanmic...@sequans.com
To: otheremailaddress@serveryoucontrol_or_canatleastrunprogramson.com
Subject: [Foo Barbaz f.bar...@foobarbaz.com, python-list@python.org]
Please don't make blahblahblah
I wish I could, but I can't, ergo I won't

TOP SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES?

Then could you use pass the message through a script that uses
email.message_from_string()
https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.parser.html#email.message_from_string
to create an email.message object, remove the delivery cruft by calling
email.message.__delitem__('Received') on it, recreate the actual To:
field with some to_list = [email.utils.parseaddr
https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.util.html(x) for x in
string_in_brackets_in_subject] hackery, do a quick

strained_string = re.sub https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html('TOP
SECRET EMAIL MESSAGE WITH DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR WANDERING EYES', '',
modifed.email.message.as_string())?

Could you then send that off?




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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
- Original Message -
 From: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com
 Cc: python-list@python.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2015 6:11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, 
 d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)
 
 On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
 wrote:
  How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore
  the
  boilerplate below.
 
 Heh, I like this! Or:
 
 
 -- BOILERPLATE TROPHY COLLECTION
 
 I am a collector of stupid legal boilerplate. Here's my latest
 acquisition:
 
 
 Then let your legal guys see one of your posts. Maybe they'll relent
 and let you not post it any more.
 
 ChrisA

I wish I could, problem is, if the mail recipient is within the company, no 
legal boilerplate is added making the joke fall flat.
Nice suggestion though.

I may send it to my IT guys though, I'm sure they'll have a good laugh :)

JM


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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 August 2015 11:09:18 Terry Reedy wrote:

 On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:
  - Original Message -
 
  From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
 
  The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential
  and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient,
  please
  notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to
  any
  other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
  information
  in any medium. Thank you.
 
  Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense.

 Agreed.

  If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system
 
   which does not make these legalistic demands.

 I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from
 participating.

So do I Terry, but how many years will it take to convince corporate 
legal people that hanging that in a sig is a waste of time  bandwidth.  
AFAIK, no court on _this_ planet has ever upheld the meaning of such a 
notice.  All the legal beagles have to keep their presence on the 
payroll justified I guess.

  I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this
  nonsense has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm
  restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I will probably
  restrict myself even more.

Please do not restrict yourself further.  We'll ignore it (or the fussier 
amoung us should learn to tolerate it) just like we've been ignoring it 
for at least 20 years now.

 How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the
 boilerplate below.

  JM
 
 
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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
 How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the
 boilerplate below.

Heh, I like this! Or:


-- BOILERPLATE TROPHY COLLECTION

I am a collector of stupid legal boilerplate. Here's my latest acquisition:


Then let your legal guys see one of your posts. Maybe they'll relent
and let you not post it any more.

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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-26, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
 On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:

 Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense.

 Agreed.

 If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system
  which does not make these legalistic demands.

 I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from 
 participating.

 I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense
 has been denied by my employer. To the point where I'm restrincting
 myself from posting from time to time. I will probably restrict
 myself even more.

 How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the 
 boilerplate below.

It's too bad there's just no way to get an email account other than
through your employer.  It's also unfortunate that there's no way to
to access the mailing list via an NNTP server or web page.

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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Emile van Sebille

On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:

It's also unfortunate that there's no way to
to access the mailing list via an NNTP server


Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at
news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general

Or do you mean by the OP?

Emile


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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-26, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote:
 On 8/26/2015 9:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
 It's also unfortunate that there's no way to
 to access the mailing list via an NNTP server

 Huh? -- gmane.comp.python.general at
 news://nntp.gmane.com:119/gmane.comp.python.general

 Or do you mean by the OP?

I guess I should have used the old sarcasm tag. :)

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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
- Original Message -
 From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
  The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and
  may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient,
  please
  notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to
  any
  other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
  information
  in any medium. Thank you.
 
 Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense. If you want to
 participate
 here, please do so from a mail system which does not make these
 legalistic demands.

I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been 
denied by my employer.
To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I 
will probably restrict myself even more.

JM


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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Terry Reedy

On 8/26/2015 5:02 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:

- Original Message -

From: Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au

The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and
may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient,
please
notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to
any
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
information
in any medium. Thank you.


Misleading, intimidating, hostile nonsense.


Agreed.


If you want to participate here, please do so from a mail system

 which does not make these legalistic demands.

I disagree with prohibiting people encumbered by such systems from 
participating.



I agree with you. Unfortunately my request for removing this nonsense has been 
denied by my employer.
To the point where I'm restrincting myself from posting from time to time. I 
will probably restrict myself even more.


How about instead you augment your signature with Please ignore the 
boilerplate below.



JM


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Re: Please don't make unfounded legalistic demands (was: [a, b, c, d] = 1, 2, 3, 4)

2015-08-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Andy Kubiak andy.kub...@gmail.com wrote:
 What if you could send all your mail to another address on a server you
 control, or can at least run programs on?

That seems like a lot more hassle than it would be worth.
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