Re: code indentation
* (Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:22:03 -0700) On 25 srp, 17:31, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING You already got serious help even though you haven't realised that yet. T. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
On 26 srp, 13:43, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thorsten Kampe wrote: * (Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:22:03 -0700) On 25 srp, 17:31, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING You already got serious help even though you haven't realised that yet. We should be making allowances for this particular poster on account of relative youth: I hadn't realised earlier, but we are dealing with a fourteen-year-old. Since fourteen-year-olds already know everything we should be honored we are being asked for help at all ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden --- Asciimercial -- Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag the Internet Many services currently offer free registration --- Thank You for Reading - Hi again, Just one more question, can I maybe do this indentation with string e.g here is my failed example of try with string: kl=n=90;if n==90:print'kajmakimar' for line in kl.split(;): li=[] m=li.append(line) if line.endswith(':'): m.append(\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t) print m .so maybe if you can help me with this? Regards, Vedran (http://www.v-programs.com) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should be making allowances for this particular poster on account of relative youth: I hadn't realised earlier, but we are dealing with a fourteen-year-old. I don't believe that's true. One of the great advantages of discussion over the internet is that one's behaviour is what is judged, without necessary prejudice from one's age, skin tone, facial features, or the like. Set against the many disadvantages of internet discussion, I think judge only on basis of behaviour is a good default. -- \ Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? Well, I think | `\ so, Brain, but first you'd have to take that whole bridge | _o__) apart, wouldn't you? -- _Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
Ben Finney wrote: Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should be making allowances for this particular poster on account of relative youth: I hadn't realised earlier, but we are dealing with a fourteen-year-old. I don't believe that's true. One of the great advantages of discussion over the internet is that one's behaviour is what is judged, without necessary prejudice from one's age, skin tone, facial features, or the like. Set against the many disadvantages of internet discussion, I think judge only on basis of behaviour is a good default. Fair enough, but I was simply suggesting we cut him some slack, not that we completely ignore any obnoxious behavior we might observe. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden --- Asciimercial -- Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag the Internet Many services currently offer free registration --- Thank You for Reading - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: here is my failed example of try with string: kl=n=90;if n==90:print'kajmakimar' for line in kl.split(;): li=[] m=li.append(line) if line.endswith(':'): m.append(\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t) print m The list.append method returns None. It appends the item to the list. lines = [] result = lines.append(foo) print result None So, there's no need to do anything with the result of append() -- just continue using the list object. print lines ['foo'] lines.append(bar) print lines ['foo', 'bar'] -- \There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though | `\ nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is. -- | _o__) Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .so maybe if you can help me with this? If I understand you correctly, you're trying to make a pretty-printer in python, right? Something that will take arbitrary python source code, recognize the blocks and so forth, and then emit clean python code (text) with tabs for indents instead of spaces? Regards, Vedran (http://www.v-programs.com) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * (Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:22:03 -0700) On 25 srp, 17:31, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING You already got serious help even though you haven't realised that yet. We should be making allowances for this particular poster on account of relative youth: I hadn't realised earlier, but we are dealing with a fourteen-year-old. Since fourteen-year-olds already know everything we should be honored we are being asked for help at all ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden --- Asciimercial -- Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag the Internet Many services currently offer free registration --- Thank You for Reading - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On 26 srp, 13:43, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thorsten Kampe wrote: * (Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:22:03 -0700) On 25 srp, 17:31, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING You already got serious help even though you haven't realised that yet. We should be making allowances for this particular poster on account of relative youth: I hadn't realised earlier, but we are dealing with a fourteen-year-old. Since fourteen-year-olds already know everything we should be honored we are being asked for help at all ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden --- Asciimercial -- Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag the Internet Many services currently offer free registration --- Thank You for Reading - Hi again, Just one more question, can I maybe do this indentation with string e.g here is my failed example of try with string: kl=n=90;if n==90:print'kajmakimar' for line in kl.split(;): li=[] m=li.append(line) if line.endswith(':'): m.append(\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t) print m .so maybe if you can help me with this? This won't work. It's impossible to know how deep to indent without any begin/end-tokens. Consider this simple example: if foo: print foo if bar: print bar is equal to 'if foo:;printfoo;if bar:;print bar' But that could as well be if foo: print foo if bar: print bar So - you need some block delimiters. And as it has been said to you a bazzillion times: stop doing what you're doing. Use python. As it is. Your limited understandig of parsing and language design makes your task beyond your capabilites. For now. And the forseeable future... diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
On 25 srp, 01:07, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 srp, 05:20, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0300, ...:::JA:::... [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So..how can I do this? I will appreciate any help! Try with a simple example. Let's say you want to convert this: [...] [...] Can you give me some example script of this? Please!!! PS: THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!! It's unfortunate that you are having difficulty with two languages simultaneously: your command of English, though impressive, appears to be insufficient for you to explain the problem [...] And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. -- \We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't | `\ believe in tolerance and free speech. -- David Brin | _o__) | Ben Finney Hi, I was only ask for help becose I don't understand this tokenize module so well. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Regards, Vedran -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. /W -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Yes. You're asking for volunteer help from a group of people who have their own priorities separate from yours. The way to garner help from these people is to respect their time. One excellent way to do that is to communicate clearly and maturely, so that your messages are easier (and therefore faster) to read. Please, before going further, read this document on how to ask questions the smart way: URL:http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING This is a volunteer group, run for the benefit of the community. We want to help not only you, but *anyone* who might come here asking for help, and especially those who are inclined to help them. Advice on improving communication is one good way to do that: it actively works toward better communication in future, which helps questions get answered quicker and consumes less of the helpers' time. -- \ I put contact lenses in my dog's eyes. They had little | `\ pictures of cats on them. Then I took one out and he ran around | _o__) in circles. -- Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
HELLO, On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING Your lack of command of the python language and programming concepts in general is only excelled by your inabillity to react properly in a community of friendly people that try to point out how to behave as a human being instead of a complete jerk. And given your history of ignorance of sound advice, I think I'm not stressing my crystal ball to much if I predict: you won't receive much more help here. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
On 25 srp, 17:31, Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. And if you can help me than please help me , but if you can't then please don't leave me some stupid messages Whats stupid about this? It's sane advice. Which looks more serious to you: this: I can't do it Can you PLEASE help me!!!?! or this: I don't know the answer. Can you please help me? Even if it makes no difference to you, to many people it does. So Ben is right: People *will* take your posts more seriously if you restrict your use of punctuation (if only because its easier to read). Don't feel offended, nobody was trying to put you down. /W HELLO, On this group I ask for serious help and now we talk about communication. Then I you don't know how to help me then please DON'T SAY ANYTHING Regards, Vedran -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
On 24 srp, 05:20, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0300, ...:::JA:::... [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: If you are using the tokenize module as suggested some time ago, try to analyze the token sequence you get using { } (or perhaps begin/end pairs in your own language, that are easier to distinguish from a dictionary display) and the sequence you get from the real python code. Then write a script to transform one into another: from tokenize import generate_tokens from token import tok_name from cStringIO import StringIO def analyze(source): g = generate_tokens(StringIO(source).readline) for toknum, tokval, _, _, _ in g: print tok_name[toknum], repr(tokval) I think you basically will have to ignore INDENT, DEDENT, and replace NAME+begin with INDENT, NAME+end with DEDENT. So..how can I do this? I will appreciate any help! Try with a simple example. Let's say you want to convert this: for x in range(10): begin print x end into this: for x in range(10): print x Using the analyze() function above, the former block (pseudo-python) gives this sequence of tokens: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'begin' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'end' ENDMARKER '' The latter block (real python) gives this sequence: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' INDENT ' ' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' DEDENT '' ENDMARKER '' If you feed this token sequence into untokenize, in response you get a source code equivalent to the real python example above. So, to convert your pseudo python into the real python, it's enough to convert the first token sequence into the second - and from that, you can reconstruct the real python code. Converting from one sequence into the other is a programming exercise and has nothing to do with the details of the tokenize module, nor is very Python-specific - looking at both sequences you should figure out how to convert one into the other. (Hint: a few additional newlines are not important) It is even simpler than the example given in the tokenize documentation: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-tokenize.html - which transforms 3.1416 into Decimal(3.1416) by example. Once you get this simple case working, you may try what happens with this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and later this: for x in range(10): begin print x end You are now using explicit begin/end pairs to group statements, so indentation is no more significant. You may want to preprocess the pseudo-python source, stripping any leading blanks, before using tokenize - else you'll get indentation errors (which are bogus in your pseudo-python dialect). Since this will be your own Python dialect, don't expect that someone else will do the work for you - you'll have to do it yourself. But it's not too dificult if you do the things in small steps. In case you get stuck at any stage and have specific questions feel free to ask. -- Gabriel Genellina Hello, Sorry, now I become very nuisance and stupid but please I really need this.Do you remember my topic python changing keywords name ,and do you remember example that you give me for translate keywords? Can you give me some example script of this? Please!!! PS: THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!! Regards, Vedran -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 srp, 05:20, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0300, ...:::JA:::... [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: If you are using the tokenize module as suggested some time ago, try to analyze the token sequence you get using { } (or perhaps begin/end pairs in your own language, that are easier to distinguish from a dictionary display) and the sequence you get from the real python code. Then write a script to transform one into another: from tokenize import generate_tokens from token import tok_name from cStringIO import StringIO def analyze(source): g = generate_tokens(StringIO(source).readline) for toknum, tokval, _, _, _ in g: print tok_name[toknum], repr(tokval) I think you basically will have to ignore INDENT, DEDENT, and replace NAME+begin with INDENT, NAME+end with DEDENT. So..how can I do this? I will appreciate any help! Try with a simple example. Let's say you want to convert this: for x in range(10): begin print x end into this: for x in range(10): print x Using the analyze() function above, the former block (pseudo-python) gives this sequence of tokens: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'begin' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'end' ENDMARKER '' The latter block (real python) gives this sequence: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' INDENT ' ' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' DEDENT '' ENDMARKER '' If you feed this token sequence into untokenize, in response you get a source code equivalent to the real python example above. So, to convert your pseudo python into the real python, it's enough to convert the first token sequence into the second - and from that, you can reconstruct the real python code. Converting from one sequence into the other is a programming exercise and has nothing to do with the details of the tokenize module, nor is very Python-specific - looking at both sequences you should figure out how to convert one into the other. (Hint: a few additional newlines are not important) It is even simpler than the example given in the tokenize documentation: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-tokenize.html - which transforms 3.1416 into Decimal(3.1416) by example. Once you get this simple case working, you may try what happens with this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and later this: for x in range(10): begin print x end You are now using explicit begin/end pairs to group statements, so indentation is no more significant. You may want to preprocess the pseudo-python source, stripping any leading blanks, before using tokenize - else you'll get indentation errors (which are bogus in your pseudo-python dialect). Since this will be your own Python dialect, don't expect that someone else will do the work for you - you'll have to do it yourself. But it's not too dificult if you do the things in small steps. In case you get stuck at any stage and have specific questions feel free to ask. -- Gabriel Genellina Hello, Sorry, now I become very nuisance and stupid but please I really need this.Do you remember my topic python changing keywords name ,and do you remember example that you give me for translate keywords? Can you give me some example script of this? Please!!! PS: THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!! I think you may have to accept that the task you have undertaken is, for the moment, beyond your capabilities. It's unfortunate that you are having difficulty with two languages simultaneously: your command of English, though impressive, appears to be insufficient for you to explain the problem in enough detail for someone else to solve it for you (even if someone should feel so generous). Your command of Python is not enough to solve it for yourself. Perhaps you should re-think your approach and consider that it may take you longer than you anticipated. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden --- Asciimercial -- Get on the web: Blog, lens and tag the Internet Many services currently offer free registration --- Thank You for Reading - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 srp, 05:20, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0300, ...:::JA:::... [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So..how can I do this? I will appreciate any help! Try with a simple example. Let's say you want to convert this: [...] [...] Can you give me some example script of this? Please!!! PS: THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!! It's unfortunate that you are having difficulty with two languages simultaneously: your command of English, though impressive, appears to be insufficient for you to explain the problem [...] And while we're on the topic of communication: The original poster would do well to learn that increasing the number of consecutive punctuation marks (!!!, ???) is a sure way to turn away many people who would otherwise be helpful. Sentences need at most one '!' or '?', adding more does not improve the chances of being taken seriously. -- \We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't | `\ believe in tolerance and free speech. -- David Brin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code indentation
En Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0300, ...:::JA:::... [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: If you are using the tokenize module as suggested some time ago, try to analyze the token sequence you get using { } (or perhaps begin/end pairs in your own language, that are easier to distinguish from a dictionary display) and the sequence you get from the real python code. Then write a script to transform one into another: from tokenize import generate_tokens from token import tok_name from cStringIO import StringIO def analyze(source): g = generate_tokens(StringIO(source).readline) for toknum, tokval, _, _, _ in g: print tok_name[toknum], repr(tokval) I think you basically will have to ignore INDENT, DEDENT, and replace NAME+begin with INDENT, NAME+end with DEDENT. So..how can I do this? I will appreciate any help! Try with a simple example. Let's say you want to convert this: for x in range(10): begin print x end into this: for x in range(10): print x Using the analyze() function above, the former block (pseudo-python) gives this sequence of tokens: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'begin' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' NEWLINE '\n' NAME 'end' ENDMARKER '' The latter block (real python) gives this sequence: NAME 'for' NAME 'x' NAME 'in' NAME 'range' OP '(' NUMBER '10' OP ')' OP ':' NEWLINE '\n' INDENT ' ' NAME 'print' NAME 'x' DEDENT '' ENDMARKER '' If you feed this token sequence into untokenize, in response you get a source code equivalent to the real python example above. So, to convert your pseudo python into the real python, it's enough to convert the first token sequence into the second - and from that, you can reconstruct the real python code. Converting from one sequence into the other is a programming exercise and has nothing to do with the details of the tokenize module, nor is very Python-specific - looking at both sequences you should figure out how to convert one into the other. (Hint: a few additional newlines are not important) It is even simpler than the example given in the tokenize documentation: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-tokenize.html - which transforms 3.1416 into Decimal(3.1416) by example. Once you get this simple case working, you may try what happens with this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and this: for x in range(10): begin print x end and later this: for x in range(10): begin print x end You are now using explicit begin/end pairs to group statements, so indentation is no more significant. You may want to preprocess the pseudo-python source, stripping any leading blanks, before using tokenize - else you'll get indentation errors (which are bogus in your pseudo-python dialect). Since this will be your own Python dialect, don't expect that someone else will do the work for you - you'll have to do it yourself. But it's not too dificult if you do the things in small steps. In case you get stuck at any stage and have specific questions feel free to ask. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list