Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Jan 3, 8:42 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:54:09 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: It objectifies women. So you claim. I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house” as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not objectifying women. But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem. For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations, having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same URL:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x168.html. Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop claiming that it is harmful? I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware of the privileges we males have here. We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows which is perpetuating a hostile environment. I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act to clean up our house more. Your points are all valid, except, not valid in this particular argument. import girlfriend is not sexist, no more than import car is selfish, and import house is greedy. I think the joke is on the poor guy who needs this module. He is a poor soul with nothing, who needs to import everything. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Jan 3, 8:37 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: It objectifies women. If you can't see how that's harmful to women, I haven't the stamina to educate you. And import pickle objectifies pickles. It's deplorable how few gherkins become programmers, and I think it's because of these immature jokes about pickles that have become entrenched in the Python community. No, no, import pickle is not about objectifying pickles, it's a sub- conscience Freudian phallic symbol! import pickle pickle.LONG4 # Only the blind would miss that one! pickle.load pickle.dump pickle.EMPTY_DICT # Using GvR's pronunciation But don't worry, *some group* is sure to be offended. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Jan 1, 5:24 pm, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote: Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. I want everyone to realize that just because you are offended by someones statements, actions, or behavior, DOES NOT mean those statements, actions or behaviors are wrong. Example: I have a right to buy the flag of your country and burn it. To you the flag is a symbol to be worshiped. SO WHAT! To me your flag is a worthless piece of cloth! And since i bought and own this worthless piece of cloth, i can burn it, stomp on it, poke it with a stick, and even wipe my kulo with it! Sure, doing all these things may make me look like a complete idiot, but it is my god given right to act like an idiot! Now, you could get all upset and call in the gestapo, or you could just have a giggle and go about your day. Choice is yours. Anecdote: A while back i read a story about some kids gesturing their middle fingers to on-duty policemen. As you might have guessed the kids were arrested, handled roughly, and charged with disorderly conduct. Soon after the kids sued the police department and received a nice amount of money for their false arrest. Just like the police, all the people getting upset over this light- hearted joke are over-reacting and trying to abuse power. They believe they have the power to stop other people from offending them. No, the police DO NOT have that power, and YOU don't not have that power. However, you DO have the power to ignore. And that is what the gestapo *should* have done. Now, if someone were making jokes about handicapped or mentally challenged people (or anyone who does not have the capacity to defend themselves) THEN you would be justified to make an argument. This case warrants no such justification. Heck, there is not even a specific victim to protect -- well, except for the poor guy who has to import everything. Nobody cares about him :'-( -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Honestly, is this list really what this is all about? I'm bored already... Enough? On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auwrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:54:09 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: It objectifies women. So you claim. I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house” as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not objectifying women. But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem. For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations, having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same URL:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x168.html. Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop claiming that it is harmful? I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware of the privileges we males have here. We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows which is perpetuating a hostile environment. I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act to clean up our house more. -- \ “A hundred times every day I remind myself that […] I must | `\ exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have | _o__)received and am still receiving” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 02:42, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house” as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not objectifying women. But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem. For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations, having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same URL:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x168.html. Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop claiming that it is harmful? I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware of the privileges we males have here. We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows which is perpetuating a hostile environment. I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act to clean up our house more. A hearty +1 to this! -- Rami Chowdhury A mind all logic is like a knife all blade - it makes the hand bleed that uses it. -- Rabindranath Tagore +44-7581-430-517 / +1-408-597-7068 / +88-0189-245544 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Tony Pelletier tony.pellet...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, is this list really what this is all about? I'm bored already... Sorry, this list does not exist for your personal entertainment. Maybe you should try YouTube. And no, it's not really about sexism either, but there is no harm in the occasional educational rant. Kudos to Ben for fighting the good fight! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Tony Pelletier tony.pellet...@gmail.com wrote: That's a rather ironic comment. Idiot. Really? Which part was ironic? Sorry, this list does not exist for your personal entertainment. Not this one, that's just a statement of fact. Maybe you should try YouTube. Kinda. What I really meant here was Maybe you should just go away, but that is not really in opposition with what I actually said, so it's not technically irony either, just mild understatement. And no, it's not really about sexism either, Literal statement of fact. but there is no harm in the occasional educational rant. Literal statement of opinion. Kudos to Ben for fighting the good fight! And I meant that 100%. Also not ironic. ... Oh, wait, I get it now. Your post was ironically self-referential. Clever! By the way, take a constructive suggestion and stop top-posting. Bottom-posting is the commonly preferred style around these parts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting Cheers [irony!], Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I have zero desire to follow the rules of a Python(here's the ironic part. Get it now clever boy?) list when it'd riddled with childish banter that has nothing to do with wait for it. Python? Do I need to explain it any further? I'm done with you and this list that pollutes my inbox with globs of worthlessness... On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Tony Pelletier tony.pellet...@gmail.com wrote: That's a rather ironic comment. Idiot. Really? Which part was ironic? Sorry, this list does not exist for your personal entertainment. Not this one, that's just a statement of fact. Maybe you should try YouTube. Kinda. What I really meant here was Maybe you should just go away, but that is not really in opposition with what I actually said, so it's not technically irony either, just mild understatement. And no, it's not really about sexism either, Literal statement of fact. but there is no harm in the occasional educational rant. Literal statement of opinion. Kudos to Ben for fighting the good fight! And I meant that 100%. Also not ironic. ... Oh, wait, I get it now. Your post was ironically self-referential. Clever! By the way, take a constructive suggestion and stop top-posting. Bottom-posting is the commonly preferred style around these parts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting Cheers [irony!], Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Tony Pelletier tony.pellet...@gmail.com wrote: I have zero desire to follow the rules of a Python(here's the ironic part. Get it now clever boy?) list when it'd riddled with childish banter that has nothing to do with wait for it. Python? Fair enough. If this thread and this exchange were actually representative of the list, I wouldn't want to waste my time with it either. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Le mar, 03 jan 2012 20:28:59, Steven D'Aprano a ploppé: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:08:47 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote: [...] maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. (Matt Chaput) I'd drop the maybe. It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through crap. PyPI is not the place for it. I agree. But who gets to choose which packages are serious enough to deserve to be on PyPI? Or good enough? The cost of allowing anyone the freedom to publish their work is that some published work will be crap. Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are so bad that there would be any searches that come up with girlfriend.py or car.py as false positives. Seriously, the over-reaction here is something that has to be seen to be believed. The original complaint is over a couple of entries in an RSS feed and showing up on the front page of PyPI, perhaps a dozen words in total. The reaction has been thousands of words arguing back and forth. +1 The it objectifies wymyn argument (back and forth) was particularly funny (in a insignificant nonsensical hollier-than-thou nitpicking way). I really was on the verge of pushing the plonk button a couple times (between spurts of uncontrollable laughter). If anything, I see the joke as derogatory to Python programmers; sadly, this very thread proves this view. Also, I find it disturbing that the wymyn-power knights in shiny armour identify a python module with a woman. If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to the UNODA, or to both? -- PiLS -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On 4 January 2012 20:08, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Tony Pelletier tony.pellet...@gmail.com wrote: I have zero desire to follow the rules of a Python(here's the ironic part. Get it now clever boy?) list when it'd riddled with childish banter that has nothing to do with wait for it. Python? Fair enough. If this thread and this exchange were actually representative of the list, I wouldn't want to waste my time with it either. Sadly, my feeling is that the amount of vacuous discussions and hair-splitting debates is steadily increasing. Just to see, I had a look at the archives for July 2001 (because that's around the time I took up Python) and the list definitely had a more interesting feel to it. It also made me realise that many of the best contributors have gone or only make rare appearances. Anyway, there was little spam, but already some trolls, e.g. Is Python Dead? http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2001-July/091178.html Not everyone was convinced about PEP 238 (new semantics for /): http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2001-July/090659.html Did you change your mind, Terry? I too used to be against it :) I'll stop now. Cheers, -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:48 AM, PiLS p...@invalid.ca wrote: If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to the UNODA, or to both? Neither, actually. We'll be so glad you didn't call it a Karmic Koala Bear that we'll send you three American tourists for free. (They're actually quite delicious when properly prepared.) ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:48:36 +, PiLS wrote: If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to the UNODA, or to both? Personally I'd be cheering for you, provided you also took out all the warthogs, hedgehogs, badgers, drakes, efts, fawns, gibbons, herons, ibexes, jackalopes, lynxes, meerkats, narwhals, ocelots and pangolins. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tuesday 2012 January 03 17:28, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are so bad that there would be any searches that come up with girlfriend.py or car.py as false positives. Try an author search for D'Aprano. -- I have seen the future and I am not in it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Lie Ryan wrote: On 01/02/2012 11:20 PM, Peter Otten wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( I think the community has a right to defend themselves against trolls. If it's just bad naming, we can probably just laugh it off; but when a failed joke spans a half dozen module and just opens a browser to his website, there is no value for it to stay at PyPI. Additionally, it may fuel copycats: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/kimwoohyeon1/1.3.0 (do anyone have any idea who submitted that one?) I think it's a judgment call. maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. (Matt Chaput) I'd drop the maybe. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:59:53 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com writes: Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. A module named girlfriend won't amplify anyone's prejudice. It is, at that point, just a joke. I agree that it's a joke. It is a joke at the expense of women: promoting the view that, like a car or a house (the other modules that were part of the joke), a girlfriend is a possession to be acquired. How do you get that reading? Yes, in the English language, we talk about getting a girlfriend, but we also talk about getting a boyfriend. Does that imply that *men* are nothing more than a possession to be acquired? Clearly not. There is no implication re social status -- we can talk about the nation has finally got a king without any implication that kings are low status, mere possessions to be acquired. If there is anything offensive about the joke, it is the implication that women are shallow creatures only interested in men for their earning potential. But why should that be more offensive than the idea that men are so desperate for a relationship that they are happy to hand over their earnings to anything female that pretends an interest in them? The joke cuts both ways. It is the nature of jokes to exaggerate character traits. In real life, many women *are* interested in the earning potential of men, not exclusive of all other factors of course, and many men *are* push-overs to any gold-digger with a pretty face. But neither is a universal trait: they are mere generalisations. There are exceptions, of course, people are complex and reality doesn't fit nicely into the pigeon holes we invent, but generalities do apply in general. We're lying to ourselves if we don't acknowledge the truth that in general the status of a man depends on his wealth and power and that of a woman on her fecundity, looks and youth. Acknowledging that reality is no more sexist than acknowledging the reality that on average men are bigger than women and that women can conceive but men can't. Stan: I want to have babies. Reg: You want to have babies?!?! Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. Reg: But ... you can't HAVE babies! Stan: Don't you oppress me! Reg: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the fetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box? - Life of Brian -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ben Finney wrote: The next time someone asks why the ratio of women becoming programmers is disproportionately low, please recall episodes where men here give defenses of jokes that objectify women. What's that? The butterfly effect of diversity? If you want more women in IT go to a local school and show the girls things they can do with a computer that they find fun and interesting. If you have a daughter try more Lego and less Barbies. Don't insist if it doesn't work out. Your ideas may not be in alignment with the pursuit of happiness... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Peter Otten wrote: Lie Ryan wrote: On 01/02/2012 11:20 PM, Peter Otten wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( I think the community has a right to defend themselves against trolls. If it's just bad naming, we can probably just laugh it off; but when a failed joke spans a half dozen module and just opens a browser to his website, there is no value for it to stay at PyPI. Additionally, it may fuel copycats: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/kimwoohyeon1/1.3.0 (do anyone have any idea who submitted that one?) I think it's a judgment call. maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. (Matt Chaput) I'd drop the maybe. It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through crap. PyPI is not the place for it. ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: The joke cuts both ways. This is the Just World fallacy: you're implying that, because the same joke can be applied equally well to women or men, that therefore it is equally harmful. The fallacy is to ignore the fact that the playing field is not level. Yes, that same joke can semantically be applied equally to men. But it is disproportionately harmful to women, because there is a significantly greater level of sexism against women already. Apologetics defending sexist jokes against women delay the time when women can feel that they are as free to participate in this community as men. Actions appropriate for a level playing field are not appropriate in our case. -- \ “We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the | `\ sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his | _o__) wife is beautiful and his children smart.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: If you want more women in IT go to a local school and show the girls things they can do with a computer that they find fun and interesting. If you have a daughter try more Lego and less Barbies. I have no objection to doing those things *as well as* rejecting sexist jokes in our community. -- \ “Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first | `\ principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the | _o__) easiest person to fool.” —Richard P. Feynman, 1964 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:08:47 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote: [...] maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. (Matt Chaput) I'd drop the maybe. It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through crap. PyPI is not the place for it. I agree. But who gets to choose which packages are serious enough to deserve to be on PyPI? Or good enough? The cost of allowing anyone the freedom to publish their work is that some published work will be crap. Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are so bad that there would be any searches that come up with girlfriend.py or car.py as false positives. Seriously, the over-reaction here is something that has to be seen to be believed. The original complaint is over a couple of entries in an RSS feed and showing up on the front page of PyPI, perhaps a dozen words in total. The reaction has been thousands of words arguing back and forth. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:57:59 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: The joke cuts both ways. This is the Just World fallacy: you're implying that, because the same joke can be applied equally well to women or men, that therefore it is equally harmful. The fallacy is to ignore the fact that the playing field is not level. I'm not ignoring the fact of an unequal playing field. (The playing field is uneven in different directions in different places.) Yes, that same joke can semantically be applied equally to men. But it is disproportionately harmful to women, You're making an assumption there that I don't accept. There is no evidence that it is harmful to *anyone*, men or women. And not just because it's only a joke -- jokes are a wonderfully powerful weapon, and like all weapons, they can be used for good or evil. E.g. the Klu Klux Klan lost a lot of influence when the US media (and in particular the Superman television series) made them into a laughing stock. On the flip-side, Irish jokes have been both a reaction to Irish terrorism and a way of depowering the Irish. But if jokes are weapons, this particular joke is not only a water pistol, but it's a *broken* water pistol. There are barriers to women becoming programmers. Some of those barriers come from men, others come from other women, and some are internal to the specific woman in question. One might even be able to list some of those barriers. But if you think that it is self-evident that childish jokes about working hard in order to attract a girlfriend is one of those barriers, then I have to disagree strongly. [...] Apologetics defending sexist jokes against women In what way is this a sexist joke against women? Normally, one can point out the victim of sexist or racist jokes: it makes a class of people out to be a laughing stock, incompetent or stupid or wicked. That is not the case here, unless we think that preferring a hard-worker and good provider over a lazy deadbeat is a sign of moral degeneracy (that is, gold-digger versus wants the best for herself and her children). -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:57:59 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: The joke cuts both ways. The fallacy is to ignore the fact that the playing field is not level. I'm not ignoring the fact of an unequal playing field. (The playing field is uneven in different directions in different places.) Your “the joke cuts both ways” is of no matter, then. Yes, that same joke can semantically be applied equally to men. But it is disproportionately harmful to women, You're making an assumption there that I don't accept. There is no evidence that it is harmful to *anyone*, men or women. It objectifies women. If you can't see how that's harmful to women, I haven't the stamina to educate you. -- \ “We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives | `\ teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve years | _o__) telling them to sit down and shut up.” —Phyllis Diller | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:54:09 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: [...] You're making an assumption there that I don't accept. There is no evidence that it is harmful to *anyone*, men or women. It objectifies women. So you claim. If you can't see how that's harmful to women, I haven't the stamina to educate you. Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop claiming that it is harmful? Or do you expect us to just take your word for it and stop questioning you? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: It objectifies women. If you can't see how that's harmful to women, I haven't the stamina to educate you. And import pickle objectifies pickles. It's deplorable how few gherkins become programmers, and I think it's because of these immature jokes about pickles that have become entrenched in the Python community. These folk are on the very point of becoming programmers when they read an extremely obscure reference in one program's module collection and, as a result, choose a career elsewhere (in the case of pickles, there's always a job at McDonalds). ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:54:09 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: It objectifies women. So you claim. I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house” as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not objectifying women. But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem. For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations, having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same URL:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x168.html. Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop claiming that it is harmful? I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware of the privileges we males have here. We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows which is perpetuating a hostile environment. I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act to clean up our house more. -- \ “A hundred times every day I remind myself that […] I must | `\ exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have | _o__)received and am still receiving” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:37:24 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: And import pickle objectifies pickles ... Not quite: import pickle merely readies the machinery that objectifies pickles. In order to objectify a pickle, you have to call pickle.loads: import pickle # get ready to objectify a pickle, but don't do it yet x = SomeClass(some_value, some_other_value) s = pickle.dumps(x) # now s contains a pickle y = pickle.loads(s) # this actually objectifies the pickle known as s Sorry. Now back to your regularly scheduled holy war. *sigh* -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Dan Sommers d...@tombstonezero.net wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:37:24 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: And import pickle objectifies pickles ... Not quite: import pickle merely readies the machinery that objectifies pickles. In order to objectify a pickle, you have to call pickle.loads: Modules are objects too!!! *marches around carrying signs proclaiming Rights for Modules* Does anybody else feel that this holy war is somewhat pointless? Oh wait. Holy war. Pointless is redundant. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ben Finney wrote: I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows which is perpetuating a hostile environment. I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act to clean up our house more. +1 ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi guys, I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I'm sorry for that I abused the PyPi, but I should say again that it is nothing about sexist or racism as you assumption. Felinx Lee On 1/1/12 10:18 PM, Matt Chaput wrote: Someone seems to be spamming PyPI by uploading multiple stupid packages. Not sure if it's some form of advertising spam or just idiocy. Don't know if we should care though... maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. girlfriend 1.0.110 A really simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend girlfriends 1.0 4 Girl Friends car 1.0 2 Car, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend house 1.0 2 House, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend money 1.0 2 Money, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend workhard 1.02 Keep working hard, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. The author is a legitimate Python programmer, and the links go to his blog where he talks about Python stuff. https://bitbucket.org/felinx You can tell him that you don't appreciate his abuse of PyPI here if you like: http://feilong.me/2012/01/**python-import-girlfriendhttp://feilong.me/2012/01/python-import-girlfriend -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- What can change the nature of a man?(Planescape Torment) http://feilong.meFelinx Lee's Blog (Chinese Only) http://www.zhimaq.com IT QA (Chinese Only) http://poweredsites.org What powered your sites? PHP, Ruby or Python? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi, On 2012-01-02 11:03:25 +, Felinx Lee said: I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. Yeah, quite funny. Why not put this on an own web server? And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I think it's fucking spam. Please remove this crap. kthxbye Kai -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 02/01/2012 11:03, Felinx Lee wrote: The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. What is the point of these packages? Why do they exist? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. -- Felinx Lee -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi, On 2012-01-02 11:03:25 +, Felinx Lee said: I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. Yeah, quite funny. Why not put this on an own web server? And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I think it's fucking spam. Please remove this crap. OK, Removed. I apologize again. kthxbye Kai -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:52:06 -0500, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even know what the package does? The dependencies are car, house, and money (and workhard, of course). The joke being that women only care about how wealthy you are. That's not a joke, it's a stereotype - and a stereotype with a biological truth in it. DaveM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( There's nothing wrong with cracking jokes, but sometimes a large central repository is the wrong place for them. If I made a joke package whose name happened to be very similar to some other package, then no matter how funny and non-offensive the joke is, it would be a poor submission to PyPI. But that's not thought police; there are plenty of other avenues for publication. Felinx Lee still has the freedom to think his joke, to write his joke in code, and to share his joke with others - but other people have the freedom to get offended when it's published in places that they think are racist, or whatever it was. (I never did follow how sexism is somehow a subset of racism, to be honest. Are women a different race from nerds?) Chris Angelico -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 01/02/2012 11:20 PM, Peter Otten wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( I think the community has a right to defend themselves against trolls. If it's just bad naming, we can probably just laugh it off; but when a failed joke spans a half dozen module and just opens a browser to his website, there is no value for it to stay at PyPI. Additionally, it may fuel copycats: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/kimwoohyeon1/1.3.0 (do anyone have any idea who submitted that one?) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. -- \ “I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or | `\anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.” —Albert | _o__)Einstein, unsent letter, 1955 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. A module named girlfriend won't amplify anyone's prejudice. It is, at that point, just a joke. The punchline is import girlfriend, and the joke makes fun of geeky losers, not women. But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Woo, party time! -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. -- \ “I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or | `\ anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.” —Albert | _o__) Einstein, unsent letter, 1955 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com writes: Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. A module named girlfriend won't amplify anyone's prejudice. It is, at that point, just a joke. I agree that it's a joke. It is a joke at the expense of women: promoting the view that, like a car or a house (the other modules that were part of the joke), a girlfriend is a possession to be acquired. The punchline is import girlfriend Yes, exactly. The next time someone asks why the ratio of women becoming programmers is disproportionately low, please recall episodes where men here give defenses of jokes that objectify women. Instead, the more we marginalise sexism and reject normalising it through sexist jokes, the safer this community can become for anyone of any sex. -- \ “If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting | `\ them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good | _o__)reason.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 1/2/12 8:56 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. You're right, sorry. I let myself say something dumb. I'll try not to do it again. -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/2/12 8:56 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Someone seems to be spamming PyPI by uploading multiple stupid packages. Not sure if it's some form of advertising spam or just idiocy. Don't know if we should care though... maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. girlfriend 1.0.1 10 A really simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend girlfriends 1.0 4 Girl Friends car 1.0 2 Car, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend house 1.0 2 House, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend money 1.0 2 Money, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend workhard 1.0 2 Keep working hard, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 1/1/12 10:18 PM, Matt Chaput wrote: Someone seems to be spamming PyPI by uploading multiple stupid packages. Not sure if it's some form of advertising spam or just idiocy. Don't know if we should care though... maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. girlfriend 1.0.110 A really simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend girlfriends 1.0 4 Girl Friends car 1.0 2 Car, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend house 1.0 2 House, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend money 1.0 2 Money, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend workhard 1.02 Keep working hard, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. The author is a legitimate Python programmer, and the links go to his blog where he talks about Python stuff. https://bitbucket.org/felinx You can tell him that you don't appreciate his abuse of PyPI here if you like: http://feilong.me/2012/01/python-import-girlfriend -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I got a chance to hit the Send button. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. One can understand that sexism is a terrible thing, and at the same time make sexist jokes. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. This is a joke, right? Making some kind of racist remark about Chinese people wouldn't help anything at all, and it's hypocritical given your stance on sexist jokes. It's one thing to make a joke, to make people laugh, and inadvertently hurt someone's feelings. It's much worse to make a malicious comment to try to hurt someone deliberately. On a slightly different note, PyPI uploads are in fact already policed. See http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2011/07/childish-behavior.html for an example Coincidentally, it also involved a joke that the PyPI maintainers found in poor taste. It's also a good example, if you read deeper into the history of the name and project, of how overzealous policing of these jokes can drive people away from your community, just as underzealous policing can. Please be less angry and more careful, and appreciate that, most likely, nobody here is operating under evil intentions. They are just operating under what you might call poor taste. -- Devin On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote: Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I got a chance to hit the Send button. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 01/02/2012 09:33 AM, Robert Kern wrote: On 1/1/12 10:18 PM, Matt Chaput wrote: Someone seems to be spamming PyPI by uploading multiple stupid packages. Not sure if it's some form of advertising spam or just idiocy. Don't know if we should care though... maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. girlfriend 1.0.1 10 A really simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend girlfriends 1.0 4 Girl Friends car 1.0 2 Car, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend house 1.0 2 House, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend money 1.0 2 Money, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend workhard 1.0 2 Keep working hard, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. The author is a legitimate Python programmer, and the links go to his blog where he talks about Python stuff. Legitimate python programmer or not, that does not legitimize spamming PyPI. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Sorry, I lied. It's been a while and I misremembered. The package mentioned in the blog post was removed of the author's free will, and PyPI doesn't police submissions. -- Devin On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. One can understand that sexism is a terrible thing, and at the same time make sexist jokes. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. This is a joke, right? Making some kind of racist remark about Chinese people wouldn't help anything at all, and it's hypocritical given your stance on sexist jokes. It's one thing to make a joke, to make people laugh, and inadvertently hurt someone's feelings. It's much worse to make a malicious comment to try to hurt someone deliberately. On a slightly different note, PyPI uploads are in fact already policed. See http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2011/07/childish-behavior.html for an example Coincidentally, it also involved a joke that the PyPI maintainers found in poor taste. It's also a good example, if you read deeper into the history of the name and project, of how overzealous policing of these jokes can drive people away from your community, just as underzealous policing can. Please be less angry and more careful, and appreciate that, most likely, nobody here is operating under evil intentions. They are just operating under what you might call poor taste. -- Devin On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote: Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I got a chance to hit the Send button. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de writes: Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. That's not right. Racism and sexism are not forms of each other. Instead, racism and sexism are both forms of bigotry. And yes, I agree that the packages at issue are unfunny and the intent is bigoted. I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I got a chance to hit the Send button. You would do better to send it to the author, rather than here. Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. Please don't. We must be better than the bigots whose behaiour you rightly deplore. -- \ “God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to | `\ explain those things that you do not understand.” —Richard P. | _o__)Feynman, 1988 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de writes: Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. That's not right. Racism and sexism are not forms of each other. Instead, racism and sexism are both forms of bigotry. Hmm, even that's not really true. Racism and sexism are both forms of prejudice. Bigotry always entails prejudice, but not vice versa. How complex are the ways humans mistreat each other :-) -- \ “Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not | `\entitled to their own facts.” —US Senator Pat Moynihan | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:24:48 +0100, Alexander Kapps wrote: Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even know what the package does? Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module So the package itself is not offensive, just the name girlfriend? Or is it the very concept of girlfriend that offends you? or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. I'm sure he's quaking in his boots. Some random guy on the Internet is going to insult him based on a wild assumption about his nationality. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:12:28 +1100, Lie Ryan wrote: Legitimate python programmer or not, that does not legitimize spamming PyPI. I don't see that half a dozen trivial (pointless) modules should be classified as spam. Personally, I've looked at the modules, and if I were the author, I'd be embarrassed to make them public. They aren't useful; they are rather immature; they don't demonstrate good Python knowledge or programming skill. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even know what the package does? The dependencies are car, house, and money (and workhard, of course). The joke being that women only care about how wealthy you are. If it's just about naming a package girlfriend, though, I agree. And honestly that's much better material for a joke anyway. -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:24:48 +0100, Alexander Kapps wrote: Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I cannot resists. allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that sexism is just another form of racism. Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even know what the package does? Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module So the package itself is not offensive, just the name girlfriend? Or is it the very concept of girlfriend that offends you? or I'm going to make a racist comment against Chinese people. I'm sure he's quaking in his boots. Some random guy on the Internet is going to insult him based on a wild assumption about his nationality. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
