Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
> Parentheses are punctuation. Why not leave spaces around the commas as well, > to be consistent? > > myTuple = ( 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ) Personally, I do use this particular style with commas as I find it more readable to my old and tired eyes Mandate m o r e whitespace :-) -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being Phoenix, Arizona -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
In message , J.B. Brown wrote: > I personally prefer to be slightly excessive in the amount of spacing > I used, especially when parentheses are involved. > > myTuple = ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ) Parentheses are punctuation. Why not leave spaces around the commas as well, to be consistent? myTuple = ( 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ) T,FTFY. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
I personally prefer to be slightly excessive in the amount of spacing I used, especially when parentheses are involved. In no way do I assert that my code style is right for all situations, but here are a few examples of my personal style. --- myTuple = ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 )# Comment about what this tuple will conceptually represent or store. myTuple2 = ( 1, 2, 3*myFunc(4), 4*myFunc2( "text arg" ), ) # Yes, I leave the tailing comma for spacing and to remind myself it is a tuple/list. textFieldWidth = 80 / numFields # Balance width of fields fileObject.write( "My text goes here. Value of some function = " + str( someFunc( argList ) ) ) # Write out results. --- Combining my code style with the parenthesis/brace/bracket highlighting feature of Vi/Vim makes it easy for me to figure out if I have closed all braces, and additionally what is the context in which I am nesting functions or arguments. Again, this is just my preference, but it emerged over time after many hours of development and debugging on remote machines where only a terminal environment and a text-based editor are available. Even in my comments, in which I _strongly_ believe in a minimum of 1 comment line per 3 code lines (1:3) though I often code 1:2 or 1:1, I use the parenthesis style above. Example: # The true positive rate of an experiment is calculated as: TPR = [ TP / ( TP + FN ) ] . Just food for thought. J.B. Brown Kyoto University -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
In article , Stephen Hansen wrote: > PEP8 is a style guide. Parts of style guides are rational judgements and > decisions based on experience and can certainly be "explained" or > justified, but parts are just... personal taste. Style is part rational > thought and part intuition, and in the latter -- people will disagree > quite a bit. There's no right or wrong there. There isn't always a > rationale. I strongly suggest that ALL Python projects adopt PEP-8. Here's why. Style, at one level, doesn't really matter. Yet, it's something people get worked up over. If you add up all the time people have wasted arguing about stupid shit like indenting and where the braces go (in languages that have them) and how to spell variable names, we could have sent a man to Mars and had time left over to solve P = NP. I don't agree with PEP-8 100%, but it's perfectly reasonable. Avoiding all that time wasting arguing about trivia like variableName vs VariableName vs variable_name more than pays me back for any minor arguments I might have with the style. If everybody in the entire world uses the same style, then as people and code move around from project to project, everybody benefits by fitting in better. As the old-time press pythonistas would say, "PEP-8 and be there". -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On 7/26/10 3:20 PM, Peng Yu wrote: > This webpage http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ recommends the > following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let > me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? PEP8 is a style guide. Parts of style guides are rational judgements and decisions based on experience and can certainly be "explained" or justified, but parts are just... personal taste. Style is part rational thought and part intuition, and in the latter -- people will disagree quite a bit. There's no right or wrong there. There isn't always a rationale. Guido finds "x=a+1" less readable then "x = a + 1". Originally he wrote this down with other anecdotal little tidbits up into an eassy and posted it on the python.org website. Eventually, others decided that his intuitive sense of style actually tended to be rather spot on for them too (why wouldn't it, since that same sense of style brought Python into existence and most of us quite like it), and so that guide and some others were codified into PEP8, and tweaked from time to time. PEP8 is only a "rule" for the stdlib, and only for new code in the stdlib at that -- and its only really a rule to encourage consistency and maintainability, not because its objectively The Right Way To Code. Personally, while I agree with much of it, I disagree in several points and ignore PEP8 whenever it suits me (most notably on line length rules, and for a long time on methodNamingSchemes, but lately I've found I'm coming_around). -- Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:20:09 -0500, Peng Yu wrote: > >> This webpage http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ recommends the >> following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let >> me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? >> >> - Use spaces around arithmetic operators: > > Because it looks better and is easier to read. Operators are small > (single characters) and sometimes need space around them to stand out. > >> i=i+1 > > See? It's hideously ugly and cramped. It's much worse if you use larger > names: > > sensiblynamedvariable=sensiblynamedvariable+1 > > But use your common sense. I usually group powers, multiplications and > divisions, and separate additions and subtractions: > > y = 2*x + 1 - (3*x - 4/(2 + x**2))**-2 > > And unary + and - operators should always be grouped with their operand: > > y = -2 # not "- 2" This is the rule that I use, with the exception that I will generally explicitly parenthesize the numerator in a division, since my eyes frequently gloss over the / symbol for some reason. Geremy Condra -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:20:09 -0500, Peng Yu wrote: > This webpage http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ recommends the > following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let > me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? > > - Use spaces around arithmetic operators: Because it looks better and is easier to read. Operators are small (single characters) and sometimes need space around them to stand out. > i=i+1 See? It's hideously ugly and cramped. It's much worse if you use larger names: sensiblynamedvariable=sensiblynamedvariable+1 But use your common sense. I usually group powers, multiplications and divisions, and separate additions and subtractions: y = 2*x + 1 - (3*x - 4/(2 + x**2))**-2 And unary + and - operators should always be grouped with their operand: y = -2 # not "- 2" -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
> Martin wrote: > > Wat is er mis met klompen? Well specifically their made from wood and wood is a very hard substance. Also i did not go into detail but he makes sure to pick shoes that are three sizes too small. You know a good podiatrist can be tough to come by in these times. It's a pretty severe punishment if you ask me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On 07/27/10 00:06, rantingrick wrote: On Jul 26, 5:20 pm, Peng Yu wrote: This webpagehttp://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/recommends the following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? The rational is simple. Guido is God and if you don't follow his words then you will be tortured. His favorite means is by forcing you to wear Dutch wooden shoes every day whist programming Ruby! ;-) Wat is er mis met klompen? -- mph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On Jul 26, 5:20 pm, Peng Yu wrote: > This webpagehttp://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/recommends the > following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let > me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? The rational is simple. Guido is God and if you don't follow his words then you will be tortured. His favorite means is by forcing you to wear Dutch wooden shoes every day whist programming Ruby! ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
On 07/27/2010 12:20 AM, Peng Yu wrote: > This webpage http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ recommends the > following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let > me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, even when we call it "coding style". There is no rationale, except if you accept "easier to read", "looks better", or "that's what Guido has been doing for years". > > - Use spaces around arithmetic operators: > > Yes: > > i = i + 1 > submitted += 1 > x = x * 2 - 1 > hypot2 = x * x + y * y > c = (a + b) * (a - b) > > No: > > i=i+1 > submitted +=1 > x = x*2 - 1 > hypot2 = x*x + y*y > c = (a+b) * (a-b) > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
python styles: why Use spaces around arithmetic operators?
This webpage http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ recommends the following. It looks to me that both styles are fine. Could anybody let me know what the rationale is behind this recommendation? - Use spaces around arithmetic operators: Yes: i = i + 1 submitted += 1 x = x * 2 - 1 hypot2 = x * x + y * y c = (a + b) * (a - b) No: i=i+1 submitted +=1 x = x*2 - 1 hypot2 = x*x + y*y c = (a+b) * (a-b) -- Regards, Peng -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
