Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Edward Hartley]

> On 7 Dec 2016, at 13:36, Thomas Kluyver  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 01:20 PM, Andy Robinson wrote:
>> To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
>> propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
> 
> I don't think anybody expected that!
> 
>> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
>> Suggestions welcome on this thread
> 
> Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
> features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
> be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
> using while instead.
And have to prove they are not a witch by showing they don't float when pitched 
into the Ouse?
> 
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Mark Lawrence via python-uk]

On 07/12/2016 13:20, Andy Robinson wrote:

I believe I am one of the original founding list admins, after 20-odd
years.  Sadly, the other, John Pinner, has passed away.

I therefore decree, as self-appointed "Benevolent Dictator for List",
that the Python CoC established by Steve Holden IS the official Code
of Conduct, and must be respected.

To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
Suggestions welcome on this thread

Be pure.  Be vigilant.  Behave!

- Andy



No chance.  I don't accept anything from flaming Northerners, what with 
their dark, satanic mills everywhere and not a blade of green grass to 
be seen anywhere.  Us Southerners, especially the autistic ones like wot 
I am, reserve the right to throw our toys out of the pram occasionally. 
And more importantly, our beer is vastly superior to yours, so up yours :)


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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Andy Robinson]

On 7 December 2016 at 16:14, S Walker  wrote:
> Darth SW

Hey, Darth, fancy being our Brexit negotiator?  Or military liaison to
the US of A?
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

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On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 14:05 +, Steve Holden wrote:
> But perhaps an apt threat to anyone who gets out of hand. I'm sure we
> can
> find room for a Comfy Chair somewhere when someone needs a Good
> Talking To.
>  S

s/Chair/Cushion/

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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[S Walker]

> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Cory Benfield (Lukasa)
> > wrote:
> 
> and as we know, only Sith deal in absolutes
> 
> 
> Are you absolutely sure about that?

I am.

Yours,
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Cory Benfield (Lukasa)]

> On 7 Dec 2016, at 16:09, Steve Holden  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Cory Benfield (Lukasa)  > wrote:
> and as we know, only Sith deal in absolutes
> 
> Are you absolutely sure about that?

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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Thomas Kluyver]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 03:31 PM, Daniel Pope wrote:

> Right, so we're in the ridiculous situation where there are stricter
> standards in what can be posted to this ML than who can be US
> president.


This year has certainly generated a whole lot of ridiculous situations.
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Daniel Pope]

Right, so we're in the ridiculous situation where there are stricter
standards in what can be posted to this ML than who can be US president.

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, 14:30 Hansel Dunlop,  wrote:

> It could certainly be violated by embodying his behaviour  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
> h
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Daniel Pope  wrote:
>
> Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately quoting
> Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump?
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, 13:21 Andy Robinson,  wrote:
>
> I believe I am one of the original founding list admins, after 20-odd
> years.  Sadly, the other, John Pinner, has passed away.
>
> I therefore decree, as self-appointed "Benevolent Dictator for List",
> that the Python CoC established by Steve Holden IS the official Code
> of Conduct, and must be respected.
>
> To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
> propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
> Suggestions welcome on this thread
>
> Be pure.  Be vigilant.  Behave!
>
> - Andy
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Stestagg]

I think we submitted Guido for consideration, but did so using a byte
string rather than Unicode, so the submission got rejected ;)
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 15:05, Jon Ribbens 
wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 02:15:27PM +, Daniel Pope wrote:
> >Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately
> quoting
> >Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump?
>
> I don't see why not; "Time Person of the Year" doesn't mean that the
> recipient is a "good person", it just means they've had a significant
> effect on the events of that year. Adolf Hitler was "Person of the
> Year". Osama bin Laden only wasn't Person of the Year because Time
> chickened out.
>
> ObPythonContent: Guido for PotY next year? ;-)
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Jon Ribbens]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 02:15:27PM +, Daniel Pope wrote:
>Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately quoting
>Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump? 

I don't see why not; "Time Person of the Year" doesn't mean that the
recipient is a "good person", it just means they've had a significant
effect on the events of that year. Adolf Hitler was "Person of the
Year". Osama bin Laden only wasn't Person of the Year because Time
chickened out.

ObPythonContent: Guido for PotY next year? ;-)
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Hansel Dunlop]

It could certainly be violated by embodying his behaviour  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

h

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Daniel Pope  wrote:

> Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately quoting
> Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump?
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, 13:21 Andy Robinson,  wrote:
>
>> I believe I am one of the original founding list admins, after 20-odd
>> years.  Sadly, the other, John Pinner, has passed away.
>>
>> I therefore decree, as self-appointed "Benevolent Dictator for List",
>> that the Python CoC established by Steve Holden IS the official Code
>> of Conduct, and must be respected.
>>
>> To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
>> propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
>> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
>> Suggestions welcome on this thread
>>
>> Be pure.  Be vigilant.  Behave!
>>
>> - Andy
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Cory Benfield (Lukasa)]

> On 7 Dec 2016, at 14:15, Daniel Pope  wrote:
> 
> Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately quoting Time 
> Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump? 

I’d say that depending on the context of the quote and the specific content, 
certainly.

For example, if you were using Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump to provide 
supporting evidence for an assertion that people of some nationalities were 
more likely to be sexual offenders, then I think you’d find that the quote 
violates the CoC. In particular, I should note that Time Person-of-the-Year 
Donald Trump is frequently not Respectful. That means that he would frequently 
be in violation of this Code of Conduct were he a member of the Python 
community.

But as always, context matters. Anyone claiming that quoting Time POTY Donald 
Trump is *always* ok or *always* forbidden is dealing in absolutes, and as we 
know, only Sith deal in absolutes.

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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Daniel Pope]

Idle thought: can the code of conduct be violated by accurately quoting
Time Person-of-the-Year Donald Trump?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, 13:21 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> I believe I am one of the original founding list admins, after 20-odd
> years.  Sadly, the other, John Pinner, has passed away.
>
> I therefore decree, as self-appointed "Benevolent Dictator for List",
> that the Python CoC established by Steve Holden IS the official Code
> of Conduct, and must be respected.
>
> To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
> propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
> Suggestions welcome on this thread
>
> Be pure.  Be vigilant.  Behave!
>
> - Andy
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Andy Robinson]

It would actually be quite a good Mailman feature to be able to put a
user "on watch" for N days, and prepend a first line to their messages
henceforth saying "The 
Inquisition is watching this user.  They need to mind their manners".
  The 10 minute sin-bin works better in sports than red cards.

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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Steve Holden]

But perhaps an apt threat to anyone who gets out of hand. I'm sure we can
find room for a Comfy Chair somewhere when someone needs a Good Talking To.
 S

Steve Holden

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> On 7 December 2016 at 13:52, Steve Holden  wrote:
> > Me least of all. Had I been consulted I would have said that I am not a
> > suitable person to be enforcing CoCs and (in case you didn't get the
> message
> > earlier) I agree with Andy that the Python CoC will suffice.
>
> It was an attempt at a joke.  "Yorkshire Inquisition" just popped into
> my head.  Don't worry, it can remain entirely fictional.
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Andy Robinson]

Hmmm.  Seems eminently feasible.

  
https://pythonhosted.org/mailman/src/mailman/docs/8-miles-high.html#basic-messaging-handling-workflow

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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Andy Robinson]

On 7 December 2016 at 13:52, Steve Holden  wrote:
> Me least of all. Had I been consulted I would have said that I am not a
> suitable person to be enforcing CoCs and (in case you didn't get the message
> earlier) I agree with Andy that the Python CoC will suffice.

It was an attempt at a joke.  "Yorkshire Inquisition" just popped into
my head.  Don't worry, it can remain entirely fictional.
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Stestagg]

Perhaps offenders could have their words replaced by the server with
suitably contrite Monty Python quotes.

I believe the Knights who say ni have a particularly apt vocabulary.
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 13:47, Andy Robinson  wrote:

On 7 December 2016 at 13:36, Thomas Kluyver  wrote:
> Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
> features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
> be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
> using while instead.

Hmm.  Methinks we could implement a list filter, requiring strict
pep-8 compliance of the any future message from offending senders.
They would have to post in code.  Maybe even with python 3 print
syntax.  The possibilities are endless...
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Steve Holden]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Kluyver  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 01:20 PM, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
> > propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
>
> I don't think anybody expected that!
>
> Me least of all. Had I been consulted I would have said that I am not a
suitable person to be enforcing CoCs and (in case you didn't get the
message earlier) I agree with Andy that the Python CoC will suffice. But I
know full well from my experience that to go too far down this road
inevitably invites a schism between the "freewheelers" (my category for
those whose happy life circumstances allow them to regard being offended as
part and parcel of a fully-lived life) and the "enforcers" (those who would
like specific punishments for specific offences. And I want no part of a
battle between these two poles. I don't really enjoy being a member of
polarised groups much at all.

So, seriously, honoured and all that but you will have to look for an
Enforcer elsewhere. I'm nobody's good example.

> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
> > Suggestions welcome on this thread
>
> Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
> features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
> be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
> using while instead.


You are optimistic about the powers of enforcement. I believe the CoC does
allow list managers to ban people after suitable warnings. But I'm not a
list manager and have no pretensions to being one.

definitely-not-your-enforcer-ly yr's -  Steve

Steve Holden
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Andy Robinson]

On 7 December 2016 at 13:36, Thomas Kluyver  wrote:
> Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
> features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
> be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
> using while instead.

Hmm.  Methinks we could implement a list filter, requiring strict
pep-8 compliance of the any future message from offending senders.
They would have to post in code.  Maybe even with python 3 print
syntax.  The possibilities are endless...
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Thomas Kluyver]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 01:20 PM, Andy Robinson wrote:
> To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
> propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.

I don't think anybody expected that!

> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
> Suggestions welcome on this thread

Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
using while instead.

Thomas
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