Re: [PythonCE] Python CE on a Intel XScale industrial device.
Success! After manually copying the ...\ppygui-0.7\ppygui\*.py to a newly created $PYTHONHOME\Lib\site-packages\ppygui the demo application started (pretty damn fast!) and displayed correctly (as far as I know). Glad to here that works :) Now... Do I need the Tkinter pack to use ppygui? I did not find any reference to that, and I am eager to trim down the Python distribution. No, ppygui has no external dependence besides PythonCE and the system dlls that comes out of the box on wince devices. A byte-code only distribution of ppygui is around 250 kB. I'll be having problems creating a distribution pack for installing on the devices we'll be using. These days I've been working on a script that helps producing easily .cab for pythonce applications and libraries. Hopefully I'll polish and publish it in the week. Hmm... I wonder if I could be converted into a Python Head. You mean a python egg ? Also, I remember from the time I played with evc++ that PythonCE is targeted for armv4 processors. From what I read XScale is armv5 but is supposed to be backward compatible with armv4. Maybe the .cab installer check the processor type id without taking into account backward-compatibility stuff ? I think you don't have to hurry on recompilation yet if you're able to make work what you need for your project. Also I'm afraid only Visual Studio 2005 allow to compile for armv5, in case you really want to recompile something optimized for your architecture. Alexandre ___ PythonCE mailing list PythonCE@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
Re: [PythonCE] Python CE on a Intel XScale industrial device.
Update follows... People on this list were quite helpful in referencing a couple of tools for Pocket PC CAB file mangling. 1. I was able to extract the Python CE CAB file an uploaded the extracted files to my device. The python executable had an icon, and I was able to run it. It seemed to work. I was able to execute a few minor tests my way: a few dir()-s, a few imports, a few Base64 encoding and decoding operations, and it seemed to work fine. Until I tried to import Tkinter: import sys import Tkinter Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\devl\release\PythonCE-2.5-20061219\Python-2.5-wince\Lib\lib-tk\Tkinter.py, line 38, in module RuntimeError: Could not find CeLib DLL Which led me to believe something is not right. Has anyone seen that? Does anyone know how to fix that? A similar error occurs when I try to install the PocketPyGui (ppygui-0.7) which I thought I would use for the GUI part. However the exception then has a bit longer stack trace (about 10 frames). 2. Reading the documentation on the pocketpc-cab and lcab utilities I found something that rang a bell: Appendix A: a list of processor architectures ... 1824 - ARM 720 2080 - ARM 820 2336 - ARM 920 2577 - StrongARM ... My device says in the System Properties: 'Intel, ARM920T-PXA27x' Could this be the culprit of my problems? Is ARM920 compatible with Strong ARM? Should I give-up on trying to install the current version and try to compile a version for my device personally? I also noted that the CAB files state, that the allowed OS version is 4.00 up to 5.00, shouldn't it be up to 5.99 or something? Not that my device has Windows 5.1 or anything, but I saw a the Smart Phone version note a MAX OS Version of 5.99... I hope I get more feed-back on the subject. I feel I am getting closer, but I am neither a Mobile-Device expert, nor a Python expert. I am fairly new to this stuff. ___ PythonCE mailing list PythonCE@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
Re: [PythonCE] Python CE on a Intel XScale industrial device.
Firstly, the Active Sync method merely automates the copy .CAB/install process--you're not missing out in anything. The only problem I can thing of is that of your processor: your device runs XSale, while I believe the .CABs are compiled for ARM On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Lachezar Dobrev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Apologies for the resending, the first message did not go through. * Hello list members. Recently our project (Java based) grew into the mobile devices range. However the devices had a serious flaw (for us): the Windows CE operating system. For some time we were able to develop based in the Pocket IE available on the device and use an AJAX+Server-Side approach to do our work. Recently we hit some use cases where this approach would not work, or would need serious development in order to provide the needed interaction requirements. We could not find a Java VM to suit our needs, and development using Microsoft's development frame is a No-No for us. That is why I undertook the challenge to evaluate Python based development. Here I took my first blow... The files on the SourceForge site did not install on the device. The device is: http://www.mobilecompia.co.kr/en/sub01/sub01_1.php It features Windows CE 5.0 on an Intel XScale PXA processor with a number of crucial features for our application (WLAN, WWAN, Barcode scanner). Since we are working with Linux/BSD workstations I was unable to try the Active Sync method, and was forced to download the CAB files, however when trying to install the application I get a 'Setup Failed' message: The application cannot run on this device type. Please install the application specific to this device type. This is with both CAB files: PythonCE-25-20061219.PPC2003_ARM.CAB and PythonCE.WM.CAB I tried also the 'Pocket PC Python' from http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PocketPCPython/Overview That WORKS! But since it's Python 2.2 the GUI toolkits refuse to work (no annotations?). Can you please advise further? ___ PythonCE mailing list PythonCE@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce ___ PythonCE mailing list PythonCE@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
Re: [PythonCE] Python CE on a Intel XScale industrial device.
The confusion about activesync is that if the program had been compiled for multiple architectures then the processor specific cabs would all be inside the exe installer and activesync would select the appropriate one for the particular device. It sounds like you're going to need to figure out a way to compile for the Xscale without the use of Visual Studio. As Jared suggested in another thread, try http://cegcc.sourceforge.net/ or maybe http://www.ronetix.at/software.html I'm not sure on the difference between ARM and XScale but maybe VS left out something your specific devices need that isn't on other devices. Alex Lachezar Dobrev wrote: Well... First thanks for the Active Sync explanation. Reading the mailing list archives I was left with the impression, that Active Sync was actually translating the application for the architecture of the connected device. So I found a friend, tricked him into installing Active Sync, and trying to install the .EXE distribution files. Both the ARM and the SmartPhone versions failed to install with a similar message. Another thing I am not grasping is the difference between ARM, StrongARM and XScale. Probably wrong, but I thought XScale was backwards compatible with the ARM processors, however a quick tour around the Wikipedia hints otherwise... Pardon my bluntness, but until recently I had Java on every platform I had in mind... Can someone compile a Python version for an XScale processor? How does this work? Do I need a Windows host? Is the Python CE compilable with a GNU toolkit set? Like I've said Windows based development is a No-No for us. 2008/7/28, Jared Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Firstly, the Active Sync method merely automates the copy .CAB/install process--you're not missing out in anything. The only problem I can thing of is that of your processor: your device runs XSale, while I believe the .CABs are compiled for ARM ___ PythonCE mailing list PythonCE@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
