Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Discussion of Python IDE's: strengths andweaknesses (long)
Thank you very much for this overview! I tried several IDEs about a month ago to find the suiting one for my little projects and made partly the same, partly different experiences. Several apps showed the same problem on my german Tiger: The text in interpreter windows is not readable (only top part of characters is shown); if I had an option to enable antialiasing, it showed up, but not every app provided that. (Perhaps an issue with some system preference?) Another common problem is non-working (or even crashing) drag-and-drop of files to the IDE's windows or dock icon. Several IDE's I didn't get to use Python 2.4.1 (and the new wxPython), AFAIR it was Boa and PyOxide. And I don't like how most Python editors (even if they use Scintilla) handle (or mostly not-handle) non-Python files - be it config, HTML, text or other-language files. 2. Spe, which also includes wxGlade and other tools. I like SPE on WinXP, even if it tends to run into exceptions after that you seem to be able to work, but you can't save anymore - very dangerous! Other non-options like printing behave the same. On OSX I don't like how SPE's windows are split (notebook tabs, but separate windows, focus change doesn't really work). There were a lot of development for a while, but lately Stani stays quiet - perhaps he choked on his debugger-integration plans. 3. Eric3 Again I didn't manage to let it use Python 2.4.1 Strangely the app starts only every second time. Some more: 7. Eclipse is a mighty Java IDE, or more an application framework that ships with a Java IDE, but there are also two or three Python modules (PyDev, TruStudio). Eclipse's interface has nothing to do with any OS's standards, but I think one will get used to it. But at least on my G4/400 it's just too slow (esp. startup), and I can't wrap my mind around it's concepts. Perhaps that's why I got lost in the preferences and didn't find source browser, code completion etc. 8. DrPython a rather nice little light-weight (wx)Python IDE, extensible with plugins (i.e. a lot of important features are outsourced to plugins), but most plugins are outdated, have bugs or don't work for other reasons. I think it would be suited to replace IDLE more than most other candidates, but needs a bit of work for all the nice features to actually work. There's no Mac bundle yet, you must run it from Terminal. Best regards, Henning Hraban Ramm Südkurier Medienhaus / MediaPro Support/Admin/Development Dept. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Discussion of Python IDE's: strengths andweaknesses (long)
I'll add my 2 centsEclipse and PyDev is the ONLY solution I've found that I can work with. I can edit my files and debug them without crashing anything. It is robust and I have yet to find any stability problems. I have tried all the other IDEs that have been mentioned in this thread and they fall into 2 categories: - Disorganized: They are a mess with regards to how windows and displays are organized or just look just horrible. Maybe this is my bias in coming from a Windows background - Unstable: Several would constantly crash, some more than others, but to me, if I get just one crash a day, that's unacceptable. Who know what I can potentially lose. The most common complaint I hear about Eclipse is the size and complexity, but I guess I have an advantage there as I've been doing Java development with Eclipse and IBM's WSAD which is based on Eclipse for a number of years, so I'm VERY comfortable in the Eclipse environment. It does take a while to start, but I'm accustomed to the wait and once it's started, it runs fine. I do agree though that it takes a bit of effort to understand the conceptsworkspaces, perspectives, etc 7. Eclipse is a mighty Java IDE, or more an application framework that ships with a Java IDE, but there are also two or three Python modules (PyDev, TruStudio). Eclipse's interface has nothing to do with any OS's standards, but I think one will get used to it. But at least on my G4/400 it's just too slow (esp. startup), and I can't wrap my mind around it's concepts. Perhaps that's why I got lost in the preferences and didn't find source browser, code completion etc. -- --- Derek M. A. Lee-Wo ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Stability of (I)DEs, particularly WingIDE? (Re: [Boa Constr] Re: ANN: Boa Constructor for OS X available)
Hi Wolfgang, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Hello, I have yet to encounter a Python editor on the Mac that does this gracefully. Eric3, Spe, PyOxide,and now Boa--they all crash at times, and sometimes all the time, when trying to eval/debug scripts. To be perfectly honest, when it comes to the eval/debug cycle, Emacs + terminal is about the only thing that works for me. Any opinions on how WingIDE compares to the others concerning this issue? Kevin's comments here relate to an incorrect way in which subprocesses were launced under OS X for those IDEs. That problem has been addressed and the comment no longer applies. Cheers, Riaan. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Did anyone play with TransformProcessType yet?
No, I've not come out of hiding just yet (still far too busy with Ambulant to do any Python work), but I came across TransformProcessType just tonight, so I did a quick experiment and it seems to work. What it does is turn any process into a full-fledged windowing application, with a dock icon, the possibility of a menu bar, etc. So this may be the way to get rid of pythonw. I quickly added a method MacOS.SetWMAvailable(), and it seems good enough for running the IDE with python in stead of pythonw. The icon is ugly (a terminal- style script), and the application menu title is python in stead of whatever script you're running, but that can all be fixed. Did anyone else have a look at this call? Is it worth it to invest some time into it? If it is I'll check it in and people who build Python from CVS can play around with it. Please reply also to me personally, I still have 847 pythonmac-sig mails waiting for me so if you reply only to the list it'll be a long time before I see it... -- Jack Jansen, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.cwi.nl/~jack If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting July 13: PyObjC presentation
Won't normally bother the PythonMac SIG with these announcements, but the main event this time is a PyObjC presentation... :-) -- Please join us July 13, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the second meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Zac Bir, Zope Corporation Senior Software Engineer, will present on PyObjC. Further meetings are planned for the second Wednesday of every month. Location will be at the Zope Corporation offices. More information http://www.zope.org/Members/poster/ fxbgzpug_announce_2 and below. Hope to see you there! Gary General ZPUG information When: second Wednesday of every month, 7:30-9:00. Where: Zope Corporation offices. 513 Prince Edward Street; Fredericksburg, VA 22408 (tinyurl for map is http://tinyurl.com/duoab). Parking: Zope Corporation parking lot; entrance on Prince Edward Street. Topics: As desired (and offered) by participants, within the constraints of having to do with Python. Contact: Gary Poster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Second meeting information -- When: July 13, 7:30. Speaker: Zac Bir, Zope Corporation Senior Software Engineer. Topic: Python applications on Mac OS X with PyObjC (http:// pyobjc.sourceforge.net/) Lightning talk: Benji York, Zope Corporation Senior Software Engineer will present a lightning talk on reading parallel ports in Python, using a Super Nintendo game controller as an example. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] another tableview question
On 7-Jul-05, at 7:29 PM, Phil Christensen wrote: # # class defined in MainMenu.nib class ContentsTreeViewDelegate(NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass): # the actual base class is NSObject # The following outlets are added to the class: # controller # tableView def init(self): self.contents = [] return self You should call your superclass init() here. Bob Ippolito wrote about proper use of super on this list a few days ago, so I'm paraphrasing from him: def init(self): self = super(ontentsTreeViewDelegate, self).init() self.contents = [] return self def awakeFromNib(self): self.tableView.documentView().setDataSource_(self) You can (and perhaps should) set the data source in your nib using InterfaceBuilder. def numberOfRowsInTableView_(self, sender): return (len(self.contents)) numberOfRowsInTableView_ = objc.selector(numberOfRowsInTableView_, argumentTypes='O', returnType='i') I have never needed to use objc.selector. I think this method should be OK without it. def tableView_objectValueForTableColumn_row_(self, sender, tableColumn, row): if (len(self.contents) row): self.contents[row] tableView_objectValueForTableColumn_row_ = objc.selector (tableView_objectValueForTableColumn_row_, argumentTypes='OOi', returnType='O') I think this may be the problem, you're not returning a value from this method. Also, the value you return should inherit from NSObject, and you should keep a reference to it, because the tableView doesn't, IIRC. # but when I run the application I get: 2005-07-07 22:19:30.911 controller[7740] *** Illegal NSTableView data source (ContentsTreeViewDelegate: 0x11ac760). Must implement numberOfRowsInTableView: and tableView:objectValueForTableColumn:row: I think this is due to you not returning a value from the method above. Try it and see. Which I thought I had! Incidentally, I've also tried defining the selector with and without the 'selector' argument, and I've also tried using the 'signature' argument instead of the argumentTypes/ returnType keywords. You shouldn't need these, the PyObjC does a great job of hiding these details. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, -phil christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Dethe Windows has detected the mouse has moved. Please restart your system for changes to take effect. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] another tableview question
On Jul 7, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Dethe Elza wrote: On 7-Jul-05, at 7:29 PM, Phil Christensen wrote: def numberOfRowsInTableView_(self, sender): return (len(self.contents)) numberOfRowsInTableView_ = objc.selector (numberOfRowsInTableView_, argumentTypes='O', returnType='i') I have never needed to use objc.selector. I think this method should be OK without it. Since the types are specified by an existing class in the runtime, you definitely don't need or want to specify something else. The objc.selector(...) is actually breaking things, because you can't just pull type codes out of your ass and expect it to do the right thing. 'O' doesn't mean object, '@' does. # but when I run the application I get: 2005-07-07 22:19:30.911 controller[7740] *** Illegal NSTableView data source (ContentsTreeViewDelegate: 0x11ac760). Must implement numberOfRowsInTableView: and tableView:objectValueForTableColumn:row: I think this is because you're using bogus type codes. Don't use objc.selector unless you need to AND know what you're doing ;) -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] another tableview question
One thing I'm not sure about is making the class a dataSource in InterfaceBuilder. I made the connection (and obviously defined the methods in the source), but I couldn't define the appropriate actions on the class I created in IB. When I tried to create an action for 'tableView:objectValueForTableColumn:row:', IB told me it was not a valid action name. I guess that would make sense anyways, since these aren't actions at all. You don't have to tell IB about actions unless you want to bind them. In this case, all you need to do is tell it you have this custom class, and an instance of your class is the dataSource for your table. The rest should happen at runtime. --Dethe Thought is an infection. In certain cases it becomes an epidemic. -- Wallace Stevens ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
