Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
Louis Pecora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Michael Hudson wrote: > >>Well, I think this is a subjective judgement -- a matter of >>familiarity. I "play" with Python all the time. A good start is to >>enhance your interactive experience somewhat. Three options spring to >>mind: >> >> 1) Get readline support working. If you're still using Apple's [...] >> 2) Install IPython (http://ipython.scipy.org/). This is a massive [...] >> 3) Install (my) PyRepl package (http://codespeak.net/pyrpl/), which >>is a different implementation of the same kind of thing. >> >>There are less terminal oriented interactive environments too -- I >>think wxPython includes one and PyObjC has a 'PyInterpreter' example. >>But to me they don't hold much advantage over the in-Terminal.app >>solutions. >> > > Well, I can just see Troy sitting at his computer reading the above > and saying, "I rest my case." :-) It's all a bit unixy, yes. OTOH, it's not exactly hard and you only have to do it once... > You did somewhat admit that in (1) above and in the remainder of your > message so you are honest about the state of affairs. And I thank you > for all the information. Now, where to start? Where to start? I don't know. If I did know, I'd probably have done it. It would help if Apple shipped Python with readline support enabled, for starters. Cheers, mwh -- I think my standards have lowered enough that now I think ``good design'' is when the page doesn't irritate the living fuck out of me.-- http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/design.html ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
"Chris Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That would be nice, but I have even less of an idea how to get money > for hat than I do getting venture capital to start a > business. However, perhaps this is just what one poster proposed: the > PSF could fund a good cross-platform IDE. I don't think the PSF has the resources to do this currently. Also, it doesn't intuitively strike me as the sort of thing the PSF is currently looking to fund. But I could be wrong! Gather some people and make a proposal for the next round of grants, if you want to show me up. Cheers, mwh -- INEFFICIENT CAPITALIST YOUR OPULENT TOILET WILL BE YOUR UNDOING -- from Twisted.Quotes ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:48, Michael Hudson wrote: Louis Pecora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael Hudson wrote: Well, I think this is a subjective judgement -- a matter of familiarity. I "play" with Python all the time. A good start is to enhance your interactive experience somewhat. Three options spring to mind: 1) Get readline support working. If you're still using Apple's [...] 2) Install IPython (http://ipython.scipy.org/). This is a massive [...] 3) Install (my) PyRepl package (http://codespeak.net/pyrpl/), which is a different implementation of the same kind of thing. There are less terminal oriented interactive environments too -- I think wxPython includes one and PyObjC has a 'PyInterpreter' example. But to me they don't hold much advantage over the in-Terminal.app solutions. Well, I can just see Troy sitting at his computer reading the above and saying, "I rest my case." :-) It's all a bit unixy, yes. OTOH, it's not exactly hard and you only have to do it once... You did somewhat admit that in (1) above and in the remainder of your message so you are honest about the state of affairs. And I thank you for all the information. Now, where to start? Where to start? I don't know. If I did know, I'd probably have done it. It would help if Apple shipped Python with readline support enabled, for starters. I think it's a licensing issue, Apple is probably trying to save people (themselves?) from linking against GPL stuff without realizing the implications. If Python could use BSD libedit instead of GNU readline, of if it just included PyRepl, it would not be a problem. -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:48, Michael Hudson wrote: > >> I don't know. If I did know, I'd probably have done it. It would >> help if Apple shipped Python with readline support enabled, for >> starters. > > I think it's a licensing issue, Apple is probably trying to save > people (themselves?) from linking against GPL stuff without realizing > the implications. Probably yes. But they ship bash with readline enabled... oh well, I'm not masochistic enough to flog that particular horse. > If Python could use BSD libedit instead of GNU readline, I *think* there was a patch to do this, back in the mists of time. > of if it just included PyRepl, it would not be a problem. If PyRepl was fit for inclusion (sigh) that would indeed be nice :) Cheers, mwh -- Just point your web browser at http://www.python.org/search/ and look for "program", "doesn't", "work", or "my". Whenever you find someone else whose program didn't work, don't do what they did. Repeat as needed.-- Tim Peters, on python-help, 16 Jun 1998 ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:00, Michael Hudson wrote: Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:48, Michael Hudson wrote: I don't know. If I did know, I'd probably have done it. It would help if Apple shipped Python with readline support enabled, for starters. I think it's a licensing issue, Apple is probably trying to save people (themselves?) from linking against GPL stuff without realizing the implications. Probably yes. But they ship bash with readline enabled... oh well, I'm not masochistic enough to flog that particular horse. It would be pretty hard to unintentionally violate the GPL by accident with a readline-enabled bash executable considering that you can't link to an MH_EXECUTABLE -- and even if you could, it's stripped so the symbols aren't there anymore anyway. -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python Newbies
Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 14, 2005, at 12:09 PM, has wrote: My preferred IDE architecture would be built on a completely component-oriented architecture. That way it can ship with the minimal components required to get started, and users can add, upgrade and remove components as and when they need them. For example, a new user needs everything visible so they can see what's available; an experience one may prefer everything driven by memorised keyboard combinations so they can devote screen estate to more important things like their code instead of floating palettes, on-screen help, etc. I think Eclipse is intended to be like this -- though I can't say I have real experience using it. Yes indeed. Since I just arrived back on planet python from javaland a couple of months back, I used Eclipse quite extensively. Eclipse has a tiny core and everything else is a plugin. IBM's WebSphere Application Developer package, I've gathered, consists of more than 500 plugins. Of course, the drawback to Eclipse is that it's Java. Whenever I would do some of my development on my Mac, I always found it to be a bit sluggish. I don't know if it's sluggish because of the plugins, or if it's sluggish because of the SWT gui toolkit. Lately, I've been using JEdit (which is also Java, but I haven't found it to be sluggish). Kevin ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Can I use tktable with MacPython?
Hi, can anyone give me advice about how to import and use tktable in Python? I've used it successfully in tcl but when I tried "import tktable" in Python I got "ImportError: No module named tktable" (and likewise for other combinations of upper and lowercase). A small working example would be ace! (BTW I'm not really competent enough to start recompiling the source or anything like that) Thanks, Thomas Green 27 Allerton Park, Leeds LS7 4ND +44-(0)-113-226-6687 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Can I use tktable with MacPython?
On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:35, Thomas Green wrote: Hi, can anyone give me advice about how to import and use tktable in Python? I've used it successfully in tcl but when I tried "import tktable" in Python I got "ImportError: No module named tktable" (and likewise for other combinations of upper and lowercase). A small working example would be ace! (BTW I'm not really competent enough to start recompiling the source or anything like that) Googling for "tktable tkinter" I found this: http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/wiki/TkTable Apparently TkTable comes with a Tkinter wrapper. -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
