Re: Installation guide are asked to review and update when fix bug 124599

2014-04-16 Thread Yuzhen Fan
Hi All,

An US editor gives feedback and tweaks wording as below, I am going to
update installation instructions [1] with these words:

*Upgrading OpenOffice for Windows*

If the current version is 3.x, you can remove it before you upgrade to
version 4.x, or keep it and install 4.x as an additional version.

1. In the Installation Wizard, do one of the following:

- To remove 3.x and install 4.x, select *Remove all older product versions*.
The startup group item, desktop icon, and entry in the Add/Remove Programs
list will all refer to 4.x.
- To have both 3.x and 4.x on your computer, deselect *Remove all older
product versions*.  Each version will have its own startup group item,
desktop icon, and entry in the Add/Remove Programs list.

2. If the current version is 4.x, but is older than the point version that
you want to install (for example, you have 4.0.0 but want to install
4.0.1), the older version will be removed and the later one will be
installed. The startup group item, desktop icon, and entry in the
Add/Remove Programs list will all refer to the later version.

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html#winoverview



On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 Thank you all for valuable comments, I am contacting the native speaker
 for tweaking the wording.
 (Added d...@openoffice.apache.org in this mail thread)


 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Pedro

 Per Juergen, we won't release msp's because of some issues that we have
 to solve first.

 So I think, we will not mention MSP in Installation guide although the
 fix in situation 2) is
 also included in the MSP. How do you think?


 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds perfect. Adding options (instead of assuming and deciding for the
 user) is always positive ;)

 Please make sure that the fix in situation 2) is also included in the MSP


 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  Bug 124599 [2] is verified fixed in AOO 4.1.0 RC2, from current
 behaviors
  and comments provided in this bug, the expected behaviors for
 upgrade on
  Windows could be:
 
  1. If the former version is 3.x, there will be a check box in
 Installation
  Wizard providing the option to keep or remove the former version
  - If select Remove all older product versions, then 3.x will be
 removed
  and 4.x will be installed with 1 startup group, 1 desktop icon and 1
 entry
  in the Add/Remove Programs list. This artifact is for 4.x
  - If de-select Remove all older product versions, then 4.x will be
  installed with keeping 3.x, there will be 2 startup groups, 2 desktop
 icons
  and 2 entries in the Add/Remove Programs list. These artifacts are one
  suite for 3.x and the other suite for 4.x
 
  2. If the former version is also 4.x, but older than current installing
  one(e.g. install 4.1.0 over 4.0.0), then the older one will be removed
 and
  the newer one will be installed with 1 startup group, 1 desktop icon
 and 1
  entry in the Add/Remove Programs list. This artifact is for the newer
 one.
 
  I think above behaviors are acceptable, I propose to update the
  installation instructions [1] according those. Any comments, or any
  objections?
 
  [1]
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html#winoverview
  [2] Issue 124599 - Windows 4.1.0 installer does not recognize former
  versions correctly
 
 
  On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
The current installation instructions [1] (last updated on
 2014-03-26)
   does
not differentiate the clean installation and upgrade installation
 for
Windows, thus it does not state the option to keep or delete the
 old
version for an upgrade installation.
   
I propose development update the installation instructions [1] when
   submit
the fix to bug 124599 [2], to provide what is expected to see with
   details
as below:
   
1. Upgrade from old version to relative new version (e.g. from 3.3
 to
3.4.1, from 3.4.1 to 4.1.0, from 4.0.0 to 4.1.0, etc)
2. Specify the different behavior/experience on all platforms
 (Windows,
Linux and Mac) - I do not see problems in the current instructions
 on
   Linux
and Mac, but need confirmation
   
That is essential, because for testers we need this as criteria for
testing, and for end users we need this as instructions for
 guiding.
   
  
   You are right. We need to have our installations instructions
 accurate!
   Commmitters can directly edit this page and commit. Others can submit
   patches which we can review.  We could use help from all folks using
 our
   installation binaries on this.
  
  
   
[1]
   
 
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html#winoverview
[2] Issue 124599 - 

Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC

2014-04-16 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/15/14 10:20 AM, Edwin Sharp wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 17:45, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

 I hope that nobody have a problem with the revision number ...666 and
 the build date April 1th ;-) I find it funny and you can expect a very
 hot version ...

 With a fourth release candidate on the way, I don't find it funny.
 Please no more problematic numbers and dates for our releases.
 

well it was not planned and I just noticed it when preparing the RC. It
is indeed not funny and the question is why we got some showstoppers so
late where the code is in the snapshots since last year. We make a beta
and received no critical feedback and when we start RC builds we receive
one showstopper one after another. We shave to think how we can improve
this in the future.

Juergen



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Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC

2014-04-16 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/16/14 9:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 4/15/14 10:20 AM, Edwin Sharp wrote:


 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 17:45, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

 I hope that nobody have a problem with the revision number ...666 and
 the build date April 1th ;-) I find it funny and you can expect a very
 hot version ...

 With a fourth release candidate on the way, I don't find it funny.
 Please no more problematic numbers and dates for our releases.

 
 well it was not planned and I just noticed it when preparing the RC. It
 is indeed not funny and the question is why we got some showstoppers so
 late where the code is in the snapshots since last year. We make a beta
 and received no critical feedback and when we start RC builds we receive
 one showstopper one after another. We shave to think how we can improve
 this in the future.

We should ... ;-)

 
 Juergen
 
 


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Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC

2014-04-16 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:


well it was not planned and I just noticed it when preparing the RC. It
is indeed not funny and the question is why we got some showstoppers so
late where the code is in the snapshots since last year.


Hi,

one possible reason is that we have no reliable regressions information, 
see my posting Re: 4.1. Regressions 2014-03-30 20:00 on QA list.


Without reliable information I will not risk to replace my stable 
version by an RC, and there might be (regression) bugs what can not be 
observed with server installations, only with real installations - and 
intensive real life work with RC.


CU

Rainer

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Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC

2014-04-16 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Jürgen, all

the question is why we got some showstoppers so

 late where the code is in the snapshots since last year. We make a beta
 and received no critical feedback and when we start RC builds we receive
 one showstopper one after another. We shave to think how we can  in the
 future.



I think you already answered your own question... The problem is that the
Beta installs to

 a different path... Actually for real testing it's worse than a
 daily/nigthly build.

 Sorry for the odd message. Gmail and tablet...



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