Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Thanks Gerald, and Vincent!
Cheers.

Il 26/04/20 22:05, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
> Thanks Vincent for the document donation.
> 
> I just submitted a pull request with the systemd approach (#5356). It's
> mainly taken from the mentioned tutorial from oslandia. Feel free to
> make the adaptations you consider appropriate.
> 
> thanks
> Gerald
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/4/20 18:11, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>> Merci Vincent!
>>
>> Il 21/04/20 18:05, Vincent Picavet (ml) ha scritto:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On 21/04/2020 18:03, Paolo Cavallini wrote:


 Il 21/04/20 17:41, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
> © 2020 Oslandia.
>
> Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
> better to make a short resume and link to their post?

 I think the first option is preferable
>>>
>>> Thanks you for pointing out potential IP rights.
>>>
>>> I hereby give you the right to freely to use the content of this blog 
>>> article
>>> for any documentation. Consider the article under CC-0 licence, so that it 
>>> will
>>> fit any doc licence.
>>>
>>> You can credit us somewhere, it will be welcome, but not mandatory.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your documentation efforts !
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Gerald Kogler]

Thanks Vincent for the document donation.

I just submitted a pull request with the systemd approach (#5356). It's
mainly taken from the mentioned tutorial from oslandia. Feel free to
make the adaptations you consider appropriate.

thanks
Gerald




On 21/4/20 18:11, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Merci Vincent!
> 
> Il 21/04/20 18:05, Vincent Picavet (ml) ha scritto:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On 21/04/2020 18:03, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 21/04/20 17:41, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
 © 2020 Oslandia.

 Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
 better to make a short resume and link to their post?
>>>
>>> I think the first option is preferable
>>
>> Thanks you for pointing out potential IP rights.
>>
>> I hereby give you the right to freely to use the content of this blog article
>> for any documentation. Consider the article under CC-0 licence, so that it 
>> will
>> fit any doc licence.
>>
>> You can credit us somewhere, it will be welcome, but not mandatory.
>>
>> Thank you for your documentation efforts !
>>
>> Best regards,
>> vincent
>>
>>
>>
> 

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Vincent Picavet (ml)]

Hi all,

On 21/04/2020 18:03, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>
>
> Il 21/04/20 17:41, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
>> © 2020 Oslandia.
>>
>> Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
>> better to make a short resume and link to their post?
>
> I think the first option is preferable

Thanks you for pointing out potential IP rights.

I hereby give you the right to freely to use the content of this blog article
for any documentation. Consider the article under CC-0 licence, so that it will
fit any doc licence.

You can credit us somewhere, it will be welcome, but not mandatory.

Thank you for your documentation efforts !

Best regards,
vincent



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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Merci Vincent!

Il 21/04/20 18:05, Vincent Picavet (ml) ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 21/04/2020 18:03, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>>
>>
>> Il 21/04/20 17:41, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
>>> © 2020 Oslandia.
>>>
>>> Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
>>> better to make a short resume and link to their post?
>>
>> I think the first option is preferable
> 
> Thanks you for pointing out potential IP rights.
> 
> I hereby give you the right to freely to use the content of this blog article
> for any documentation. Consider the article under CC-0 licence, so that it 
> will
> fit any doc licence.
> 
> You can credit us somewhere, it will be welcome, but not mandatory.
> 
> Thank you for your documentation efforts !
> 
> Best regards,
> vincent
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 21/04/20 17:41, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
> © 2020 Oslandia.
> 
> Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
> better to make a short resume and link to their post?

I think the first option is preferable
cheers
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Gerald Kogler]

© 2020 Oslandia.

Maybe I should ask them to donate this post to QGIS Documentation? Or
better to make a short resume and link to their post?


On 21/4/20 17:25, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> 
> 
> Il 21/04/20 17:14, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
>> Great Paolo, I'll add a pull request with the systemd approach in the
>> next days.
> 
> thanks!
> 
>> I have a doubt about copyright issues so: My setup is heavily inspired
>> by the Oslandia tutorial, and they have copyright on it. Should I make a
>> short description and link to their tutorial for further information so?
>> I don't see any hints about the common approach in the Documentation
>> Guidelines.
> 
> which licence do they use?
> 
> Cheers.
> 

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 21/04/20 17:14, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
> Great Paolo, I'll add a pull request with the systemd approach in the
> next days.

thanks!

> I have a doubt about copyright issues so: My setup is heavily inspired
> by the Oslandia tutorial, and they have copyright on it. Should I make a
> short description and link to their tutorial for further information so?
> I don't see any hints about the common approach in the Documentation
> Guidelines.

which licence do they use?

Cheers.
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Gerald Kogler]

Great Paolo, I'll add a pull request with the systemd approach in the
next days.

I have a doubt about copyright issues so: My setup is heavily inspired
by the Oslandia tutorial, and they have copyright on it. Should I make a
short description and link to their tutorial for further information so?
I don't see any hints about the common approach in the Documentation
Guidelines.

Thanks



On 21/4/20 13:45, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Hi Gerald,
> I also thought about this, I think it would be useful.
> Would you  mind adding a pull request for it?
> Cheers.
> 
> Il 21/04/20 13:14, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
>> Would it be worth to also mention systemd as described here?
>> https://oslandia.com/en/2018/11/23/deploying-qgis-server-with-systemd/
>>
>> I use this approach in production and it works nice.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/4/20 8:14, Etienne Trimaille wrote:
>>> Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 21:43, Régis Haubourg >> > a écrit :
>>>
>>> From the benchmark E have been doing in production, NGINX seems to
>>> be better in most situations. 
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI, his video from the FOSS4G about QGIS Server in production:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchkYqJam3Y
>>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Gerald,
I also thought about this, I think it would be useful.
Would you  mind adding a pull request for it?
Cheers.

Il 21/04/20 13:14, Gerald Kogler ha scritto:
> Would it be worth to also mention systemd as described here?
> https://oslandia.com/en/2018/11/23/deploying-qgis-server-with-systemd/
> 
> I use this approach in production and it works nice.
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/4/20 8:14, Etienne Trimaille wrote:
>> Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 21:43, Régis Haubourg > > a écrit :
>>
>> From the benchmark E have been doing in production, NGINX seems to
>> be better in most situations. 
>>
>>
>> FYI, his video from the FOSS4G about QGIS Server in production:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchkYqJam3Y
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Gerald Kogler]

Would it be worth to also mention systemd as described here?
https://oslandia.com/en/2018/11/23/deploying-qgis-server-with-systemd/

I use this approach in production and it works nice.



On 21/4/20 8:14, Etienne Trimaille wrote:
> Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 21:43, Régis Haubourg  > a écrit :
> 
> From the benchmark E have been doing in production, NGINX seems to
> be better in most situations. 
> 
> 
> FYI, his video from the FOSS4G about QGIS Server in production:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchkYqJam3Y
> 
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Etienne Trimaille]

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 21:43, Régis Haubourg  a
écrit :

> From the benchmark E have been doing in production, NGINX seems to be
> better in most situations.
>

FYI, his video from the FOSS4G about QGIS Server in production:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchkYqJam3Y
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Régis Haubourg]

Well,
Hard question depending a lot on your connection use cases. From the
benchmark E have been doing in production, NGINX seems to be better in most
situations.
I never tested caddy though.
Best
Régis

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 20:49, Werner Macho  a
écrit :

> Hi Marco,
>
> Thanks for the hint with qgisserver-caddy I am going to take a look at
> it ASAP.
>
> And of course mod-fcgi in apache is available.
> The question is: which way is the fastest and uses the least
> ressources. So I wanted to try different webserver with different ways
> of starting qgisserver.
> There must be a reason why fastcgi and spawn-cgi and some others exist
> ;)
>
> regards
> Werner
>
> On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 12:44 +0200, Marco Bernasocchi wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > On 17.04.20 14:49, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> > > Hi Werner,
> > >
> > > Il 17/04/20 14:45, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > > > Hi Paolo,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part,
> > >
> > > so you confirm the current situation _is_confusing ;)
> >
> > I agree it is :)
> >
> > and honestly I think setting up a qgis server is not something many
> > people do. and the one who do, are probably ok with the language in
> > the user manual.
> >
> > > > but as far as I see it
> > > > covers "only" nginx.
> > >
> > > do you need spawn-fcgi for apache?
> >
> > no you don't. apache has it's own mod_fcgi
> >
> >
> >
> > werner, my last deployment was done using caddy server, super neat
> >
> > https://github.com/opengisch/qgisserver-caddy/
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers Marco
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Werner Macho]

Hi Marco,

Thanks for the hint with qgisserver-caddy I am going to take a look at
it ASAP.

And of course mod-fcgi in apache is available.
The question is: which way is the fastest and uses the least
ressources. So I wanted to try different webserver with different ways
of starting qgisserver.
There must be a reason why fastcgi and spawn-cgi and some others exist
;)

regards
Werner

On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 12:44 +0200, Marco Bernasocchi wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> On 17.04.20 14:49, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> > Hi Werner,
> > 
> > Il 17/04/20 14:45, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > > Hi Paolo,
> > > 
> > > Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part,
> > 
> > so you confirm the current situation _is_confusing ;)
> 
> I agree it is :)
> 
> and honestly I think setting up a qgis server is not something many
> people do. and the one who do, are probably ok with the language in
> the user manual.
> 
> > > but as far as I see it
> > > covers "only" nginx. 
> > 
> > do you need spawn-fcgi for apache?
> 
> no you don't. apache has it's own mod_fcgi
> 
> 
> 
> werner, my last deployment was done using caddy server, super neat
> 
> https://github.com/opengisch/qgisserver-caddy/
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers Marco
> 
> > cheers
> > 
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Tim Sutton]

Hi

> On 20 Apr 2020, at 11:44, Marco Bernasocchi  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> On 17.04.20 14:49, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>> Hi Werner,
>> 
>> Il 17/04/20 14:45, werner.ma...@gmail.com  ha 
>> scritto:
>>> Hi Paolo,
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part,
>> so you confirm the current situation _is_confusing ;)
> I agree it is :)
> 
> and honestly I think setting up a qgis server is not something many people 
> do. and the one who do, are probably ok with the language in the user manual.
> 

Yeah it is why docker was invented, so nobody has to deal with this low level 
stuff :-P

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Marco Bernasocchi]

Hi all

On 17.04.20 14:49, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Hi Werner,
>
> Il 17/04/20 14:45, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> Hi Paolo,
>>
>> Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part,
> so you confirm the current situation _is_confusing ;)

I agree it is :)

and honestly I think setting up a qgis server is not something many
people do. and the one who do, are probably ok with the language in the
user manual.

>
>> but as far as I see it
>> covers "only" nginx. 
> do you need spawn-fcgi for apache?

no you don't. apache has it's own mod_fcgi


werner, my last deployment was done using caddy server, super neat

https://github.com/opengisch/qgisserver-caddy/


Cheers Marco

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi again
sorry for the flood. I also revised other qgis server sections for
consistence, using uniform paths and commands. To me it looks more
usable. Tests and comments welcome. I'm available for further fixes if
noticed.
Cheers.

Il 18/04/20 12:51, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> I have reviewed
> docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.rst
> I could not test all the combination, so an independent test, better if
> on a fresh machine, will be appreciated.
> Also help on the best way to configure a `qgis-server.service`` and
> ``spawn-fcgi.service`` will be useful.
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers.
> 
> Il 17/04/20 14:59, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>> AFAICT, it seems better to incorporate content from the Training Manual
>> into the User Manual, rather than the reverse. In this case, however,
>> the TM section would become useless.
>> I'm waiting for an authoritative response before proceeding.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Il 17/04/20 14:45, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I noticed that there is anple overlap and duplication between the user
>>> manual:
>>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/
>>> and the training manual:
>>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/training_manual/qgis_server/index.html#training-qgis-server
>>> I think this should be cleaned up, as is confusing: those who are more
>>> familiar with the layout of manuals can please direct me?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Il 17/04/20 14:25, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
 Thanks everybody for the feedback.
 I could then:
 * create a new file (let's call it server_new.rst)
 * migrate and reorganize the content
 * when ready, with all your contributes, we can replace the existing
 ones, splitting as appropriate.
 How does it sound?
 (Ale: yes, I agree, the new standalone should be added).
 Cheers.

 Il 17/04/20 14:11, David Marteau ha scritto:
>
> Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :
>> Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?
>
> IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi,
> development, python...
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
>>> recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
>>> So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.
>>>
>>> I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to 
>>> incorporate them.
>>>
>>> Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit 
>>> :
 Hi Paolo

 No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.

 David

 Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :

 Hi all,
 I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
 https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
 and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
 generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
 first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
 configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
 found this approach very effective in our training.
 Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all,
I have reviewed
docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.rst
I could not test all the combination, so an independent test, better if
on a fresh machine, will be appreciated.
Also help on the best way to configure a `qgis-server.service`` and
``spawn-fcgi.service`` will be useful.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.

Il 17/04/20 14:59, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> AFAICT, it seems better to incorporate content from the Training Manual
> into the User Manual, rather than the reverse. In this case, however,
> the TM section would become useless.
> I'm waiting for an authoritative response before proceeding.
> Cheers.
> 
> Il 17/04/20 14:45, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>> Hi all,
>> I noticed that there is anple overlap and duplication between the user
>> manual:
>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/
>> and the training manual:
>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/training_manual/qgis_server/index.html#training-qgis-server
>> I think this should be cleaned up, as is confusing: those who are more
>> familiar with the layout of manuals can please direct me?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Il 17/04/20 14:25, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>>> Thanks everybody for the feedback.
>>> I could then:
>>> * create a new file (let's call it server_new.rst)
>>> * migrate and reorganize the content
>>> * when ready, with all your contributes, we can replace the existing
>>> ones, splitting as appropriate.
>>> How does it sound?
>>> (Ale: yes, I agree, the new standalone should be added).
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Il 17/04/20 14:11, David Marteau ha scritto:

 Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :
> Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?

 IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi,
 development, python...


>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
>> recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
>> So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.
>>
>> I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to 
>> incorporate them.
>>
>> Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :
>>> Hi Paolo
>>>
>>> No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
>>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
>>> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
>>> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
>>> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
>>> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
>>> found this approach very effective in our training.
>>> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> All the best.
>>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Tudor,
thanks for your reply. I agree styles are different, but the information
are essentially the same. Currently some info present in TM are missing
from UM. I'm going to add them so that the UM will be complete, then
I'll leave the decision about the TM to you. I'm not in favour of
duplicating info, as it is very easy to get out of sync, but I don't
want to step on your feet.
Cheers.

Il 17/04/20 17:04, Tudor barascu ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> 
> I don’t see how the training manual server part could go into the user
> manual as they have different styles. One is for teaching and one for
> presenting most of/all the options.
> I could be wrong though.
> All the best,
> 
> Tudor
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:41 PM +0300, "matteo"  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> for me +1 to remove it from the training manual and move it only to the
> user manual. If the content is duplicated and the information in the
> training manual fits in the user one, let's keep doc clean
> 
> Objections?
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Tudor barascu]

Hi all,
I don’t see how the training manual server part could go into the user manual 
as they have different styles. One is for teaching and one for presenting most 
of/all the options.I could be wrong though.All the best,   
Tudor  



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Hi,

for me +1 to remove it from the training manual and move it only to the
user manual. If the content is duplicated and the information in the
training manual fits in the user one, let's keep doc clean

Objections?

Cheers

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[matteo]

Hi,

for me +1 to remove it from the training manual and move it only to the
user manual. If the content is duplicated and the information in the
training manual fits in the user one, let's keep doc clean

Objections?

Cheers

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Richard,

Il 17/04/20 15:18, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:

> I agree that there is overlap, but that is with all info in the Training
> Manual?

I assume the approach is different: description of functionality vs
howto. In the case of the server they are almost the same.

> But I think setting up server is probably not the same group of users as
> the average Training Manual user?

Exactly, unless the training manual is conceived as as assemblage of
HowTo's.
I'd be in favour of putting everything in the User Manual, but I'd
appreciate if documentation gurus would give their advice.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 4/17/20 2:59 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> AFAICT, it seems better to incorporate content from the Training Manual
> into the User Manual, rather than the reverse. In this case, however,
> the TM section would become useless.
> I'm waiting for an authoritative response before proceeding.

I'm not your authorative response :-)

I agree that there is overlap, but that is with all info in the Training
Manual?
But I think setting up server is probably not the same group of users as
the average Training Manual user?
Also to just make it easier to decide...

Regards,

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

AFAICT, it seems better to incorporate content from the Training Manual
into the User Manual, rather than the reverse. In this case, however,
the TM section would become useless.
I'm waiting for an authoritative response before proceeding.
Cheers.

Il 17/04/20 14:45, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> I noticed that there is anple overlap and duplication between the user
> manual:
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/
> and the training manual:
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/training_manual/qgis_server/index.html#training-qgis-server
> I think this should be cleaned up, as is confusing: those who are more
> familiar with the layout of manuals can please direct me?
> Thanks.
> 
> Il 17/04/20 14:25, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>> Thanks everybody for the feedback.
>> I could then:
>> * create a new file (let's call it server_new.rst)
>> * migrate and reorganize the content
>> * when ready, with all your contributes, we can replace the existing
>> ones, splitting as appropriate.
>> How does it sound?
>> (Ale: yes, I agree, the new standalone should be added).
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Il 17/04/20 14:11, David Marteau ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :
 Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?
>>>
>>> IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi,
>>> development, python...
>>>
>>>

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
> recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
> So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.
>
> I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to 
> incorporate them.
>
> Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :
>> Hi Paolo
>>
>> No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
>> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
>> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
>> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
>> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
>> found this approach very effective in our training.
>> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> All the best.
>>
>> --
>>
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>> www.3liz.com
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Werner,

Il 17/04/20 14:45, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Hi Paolo,
> 
> Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part,

so you confirm the current situation _is_confusing ;)

> but as far as I see it
> covers "only" nginx. 

do you need spawn-fcgi for apache?
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[werner . macho]

Hi Paolo,

Thanks a lot, I overlooked that small part, but as far as I see it
covers "only" nginx. 

regards
Werner

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 14:41 +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Hi Werner,
> 
> Il 17/04/20 13:43, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > As I am about to test and setup QGIS Server I will follow the
> > changes
> > too and look what I can contribute.
> > As far as I can see there is few to no documentation about setting
> > up
> > spawn-fcgi. Maybe I can contribute to that (once I figured it out
> > ;) )
> 
> this is covered:
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html#nginx
> and it worked smoothly for me.
> Cheers.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all,
I noticed that there is anple overlap and duplication between the user
manual:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/
and the training manual:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/training_manual/qgis_server/index.html#training-qgis-server
I think this should be cleaned up, as is confusing: those who are more
familiar with the layout of manuals can please direct me?
Thanks.

Il 17/04/20 14:25, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> Thanks everybody for the feedback.
> I could then:
> * create a new file (let's call it server_new.rst)
> * migrate and reorganize the content
> * when ready, with all your contributes, we can replace the existing
> ones, splitting as appropriate.
> How does it sound?
> (Ale: yes, I agree, the new standalone should be added).
> Cheers.
> 
> Il 17/04/20 14:11, David Marteau ha scritto:
>>
>> Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :
>>> Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?
>>
>> IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi,
>> development, python...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
>>>  wrote:
 Hi,

 Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
 recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
 So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.

 I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to 
 incorporate them.

 Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :
> Hi Paolo
>
> No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.
>
> David
>
> Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
> I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
> found this approach very effective in our training.
> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
> Thanks in advance.
> All the best.
>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi Werner,

Il 17/04/20 13:43, werner.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Hi!
> 
> As I am about to test and setup QGIS Server I will follow the changes
> too and look what I can contribute.
> As far as I can see there is few to no documentation about setting up
> spawn-fcgi. Maybe I can contribute to that (once I figured it out ;) )

this is covered:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html#nginx
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Thanks everybody for the feedback.
I could then:
* create a new file (let's call it server_new.rst)
* migrate and reorganize the content
* when ready, with all your contributes, we can replace the existing
ones, splitting as appropriate.
How does it sound?
(Ale: yes, I agree, the new standalone should be added).
Cheers.

Il 17/04/20 14:11, David Marteau ha scritto:
> 
> Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :
>> Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?
> 
> IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi,
> development, python...
> 
> 
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
>>> recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
>>> So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.
>>>
>>> I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to 
>>> incorporate them.
>>>
>>> Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :
 Hi Paolo

 No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.

 David

 Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :

 Hi all,
 I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
 https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
 and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
 generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
 first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
 configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
 found this approach very effective in our training.
 Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
 Thanks in advance.
 All the best.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

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Le 17/04/2020 à 13:44, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit :

Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?


IMHO we should document the various ways to setup a server: fcgi, 
development, python...






On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
 wrote:

Hi,

Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.

I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to incorporate 
them.

Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :

Hi Paolo

No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.

David

Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :

Hi all,
I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
found this approach very effective in our training.
Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
Thanks in advance.
All the best.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Alessandro Pasotti]

Should we also add the new standalone development server to the manual?


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM Etienne Trimaille
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly 
> recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
> So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.
>
> I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to incorporate 
> them.
>
> Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Paolo
>>
>> No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
>> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
>> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
>> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
>> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
>> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
>> found this approach very effective in our training.
>> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> All the best.
>>
>> --
>>
>> David Marteau
>> Responsable Infrastructure
>> www.3liz.com
>>
>> Tel. 06 63 02 89 83
>> Bureau
>> 31, rue de l'Argenterie
>> 34000 Montpellier
>> Siège social
>> 73, allée Kleber
>> Boulevard de Strasbourg
>> 34000 Montpellier
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[werner . macho]

Hi!

As I am about to test and setup QGIS Server I will follow the changes
too and look what I can contribute.
As far as I can see there is few to no documentation about setting up
spawn-fcgi. Maybe I can contribute to that (once I figured it out ;) )

regards
Werner

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 11:17 +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it
> by
> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
> found this approach very effective in our training.
> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
> Thanks in advance.
> All the best.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Etienne Trimaille]

Hi,

Yes it's not easy, between what is the minimum to do, what is highly
recommended, between Apache/NGinx etc.
So I think you can go ahead, we will follow your PR.

I'm also keeping some notes, I will try to make a PR next week to
incorporate them.

Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 13:17, David Marteau  a écrit :

> Hi Paolo
>
> No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.
>
> David
> Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
> I'm working ont he server section of the 
> manual:https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
> and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
> generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
> first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
> configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
> found this approach very effective in our training.
> Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
> Thanks in advance.
> All the best.
>
> --
>
> David Marteau
> Responsable Infrastructure
> www.3liz.com
>
> *Tel*. 06 63 02 89 83
> *Bureau*
> 31, rue de l'Argenterie
> 34000 Montpellier
> *Siège social*
> 73, allée Kleber
> Boulevard de Strasbourg
> 34000 Montpellier
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[David Marteau]

Hi Paolo

No problem for helping you on this task, take the lead.

David

Le 17/04/2020 à 11:17, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :

Hi all,
I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
found this approach very effective in our training.
Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
Thanks in advance.
All the best.

--

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Responsable Infrastructure
www.3liz.com 

*Tel*. 06 63 02 89 83
*Bureau*
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[QGIS-Developer] Server manual

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all,
I'm working ont he server section of the manual:
https://docs.qgis.org/3.10/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_ogc/server/getting_started.html
and I'm finding a number of inconsistencies which I'm fixing. More
generally, I find it rather confusing. I'd suggest to reorganize it by
first showing the very basic setup, with a minimal set of
configurations, and adding more sophisticated configs after that. I
found this approach very effective in our training.
Is there an agreement on that? Anyone interested in cooperating?
Thanks in advance.
All the best.
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[Qgis-developer] Server manual (was: The LAYERTITLE don't seem work)

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 09/06/2014 10:52, Anita Graser ha scritto:

> Is there any material about server in the docs yet? On first sight, I
> couldn*t find anything.

yes, that was my point: why not having QGIS server docs on general docs?
I realize the scope and target are different, so it may be better to compile as 
a
different standalone manual, but I think keeping it on the wiki is not a good 
option.
All the best.

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