Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 11:00:11AM +0200, Tim Sutton wrote:

> @Paolo et al. regarding  RC releases, lets hold on this idea for now.
> We need to give Werner time to get used to the maintenance release
> process before we add further complications. We can certainly do it
> for the upcoming 1.8 release.

I also think it wouldn't really make sense to make RCs for bugfix
releases. Theoretically those releases should have very controlled
changes in them, all of which very well tested.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Werner Macho]

And as always .. I should also give the URL ;))

http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/BackportingBugs
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Werner Macho]

On 12/02/2011 10:19 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Il 02/12/2011 10:00, Tim Sutton ha scritto:
>> @Werner I would suggest to follow the concensus of waiting for a week
>> or so so that any further fixes can be applied, and then making a
>> 1.7.3 release.
>>
>> @Paolo et al. regarding  RC releases, lets hold on this idea for now.
>> We need to give Werner time to get used to the maintenance release
>> process before we add further complications. We can certainly do it
>> for the upcoming 1.8 release.
> ok - where should one note down the fixes to be backported? I wrote mine on 
> the list,
> but I guess it will be easy to miss them.
> BTW, to me the sooner the better: doing courses every week, having a broken 
> scale is
> very embarrasing, and not well received by the trainees. I still think a quick
> bugfixed "emergency" release would be better.
> All the best.
Hi!

I started a Page here to collect all possible backportable bugs
Please help me as good as possible by providing the bugnumber and
probably the commit number of the fix too (and possible do the backport
yourself and mark it a done in the wiki afterwards)

I hope that will give us a good overview about what has to be done..

If everything works well I am willing to release a new version 1.7.3 in
mid of December (Which shoud than be a Christmas present to all our
Users ;) )

Regards
werner
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 02/12/2011 10:00, Tim Sutton ha scritto:
> @Werner I would suggest to follow the concensus of waiting for a week
> or so so that any further fixes can be applied, and then making a
> 1.7.3 release.
> 
> @Paolo et al. regarding  RC releases, lets hold on this idea for now.
> We need to give Werner time to get used to the maintenance release
> process before we add further complications. We can certainly do it
> for the upcoming 1.8 release.

ok - where should one note down the fixes to be backported? I wrote mine on the 
list,
but I guess it will be easy to miss them.
BTW, to me the sooner the better: doing courses every week, having a broken 
scale is
very embarrasing, and not well received by the trainees. I still think a quick
bugfixed "emergency" release would be better.
All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Tim Sutton]

Hi



> But I have no idea the best moment QGIS dev should release the 1.7.3, anyway.

@Werner I would suggest to follow the concensus of waiting for a week
or so so that any further fixes can be applied, and then making a
1.7.3 release.

@Paolo et al. regarding  RC releases, lets hold on this idea for now.
We need to give Werner time to get used to the maintenance release
process before we add further complications. We can certainly do it
for the upcoming 1.8 release.

Regards

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Yves Jacolin]

Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 13:09:08, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
> >> What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
> > 
> > I didn't mean a specific event.
> > It's just impossible to make a release for every bug that has been
> > fixed. Therefore my proposition to wait a bit until other critical
> > bugs have shown up.
> 
> I understand, but I still think having a 1.7.2 out in the current state
> brings no good to the project, and this should be fixed ASAP.
> All the best.
Hello,

I agree with Paolo. Doing a lot of training on QGIS for the last 2 weeks and 
the next 3 weeks, user are really disapointed about this bug (wrong scale) 
because this is really usefull.

But I have no idea the best moment QGIS dev should release the 1.7.3, anyway.

Y.
PS: not sure if my email help or not to take the best decision. :)
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[Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Sorry for jumping in the discussion here without all the background. Maybe 
this has been discussed before by the qgis dev team (if that's the case, 
disregard what follows), but why not considering beta and RC stages, before 
declaring an official release ? Lots of projects do that, manily in the hope of 
avoiding that a last minute bug doesn't go into the release. I'm well aware 
that this doesn't address all the issues, and also requires additional 
ressource and delay.

I can give you some feedback on how GDAL manages the release process. For 
"major" releases (any change of X or Y in a X.Y.Z numbering scheme), we 
generally do 2 betas and as many RC as needed. For micro releases (change in 
Z), the beta stage is skeeped to go directly to RC. For GDAL, it does not 
involve too much effort (*) as we only release source code. For QGIS that also 
delivers binary packages, that would require significant effort, so perhaps 
only 
the official release could come with the binary packages. For betas and RCs, 
power users would have to use latest nighty builds or compile by themselves.

Just my 2 cents,

Best regards,

Even

(*) FrankW who manages most of the releases could legitimately object to that 
statement ;-)
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Werner Macho]

I'm out until Saturday but i agree in both views..
1. We should stabilize and bugclean 1.7.2 and release a new 1.7.3 (1.8.0?)
soon..
2. We should wait a bit to catch as many bugs as possible

Alexander is so kind and offered his help in applying patches.. so if
anyone else would help a bit I'd suggest to release a new version soon (mid
of dezember?)
But I'd also wait for Tim s comment on this..
Regards
Werner
Am 30.11.2011 13:09 schrieb "Paolo Cavallini" :

> What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
>>>
>>
>> I didn't mean a specific event.
>> It's just impossible to make a release for every bug that has been fixed.
>> Therefore my proposition to wait a bit until other critical bugs have shown
>> up.
>>
> I understand, but I still think having a 1.7.2 out in the current state
> brings no good to the project, and this should be fixed ASAP.
> All the best.
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Paolo Cavallini]

What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?


I didn't mean a specific event.
It's just impossible to make a release for every bug that has been 
fixed. Therefore my proposition to wait a bit until other critical 
bugs have shown up.
I understand, but I still think having a 1.7.2 out in the current state 
brings no good to the project, and this should be fixed ASAP.

All the best.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Marco Hugentobler]

What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?


I didn't mean a specific event.
It's just impossible to make a release for every bug that has been fixed. 
Therefore my proposition to wait a bit until other critical bugs have shown up.


Regards,
Marco


On 29.11.2011 23:08, Sandro Santilli wrote:

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:53:16PM +0100, Marco Hugentobler wrote:

And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?

Shouldn't we wait another week or maybe even a bit longer? I'm just
afraid that we are going to find other critical bugs in this time
and maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.

What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 09:38:12AM +0100, Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:
> 
> On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01:40AM +0100, Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> >>> What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
> >> 
> >> Is QGis reputation enough? ;)
> > 
> > I don't see how releasing early and often may degrade QGis reputation.
> 
> I don't meant reputation is related to realeasing early itself, but if early 
> means bugged...

We're talking about a stable branch here, so _theoretically_ in NO event
should a "dangerous" patch be applied there. Only bug fixes should.
This is the whole point of stable branches.
You force yourself to carefully consider any modification as for its safety.
Every single patch could trigger a new bugfix release (if it was so cheap).

> I agree with releasing early for releases from the master branch only because 
> that one is continuously tested.

How so ? By developers, you mean ?
Those testers don't even need a release, they just get the code from repository,
and anyone can get a daily snapshot from github or wherever it is.

It'll be _very_ important to have real "continuos testing" performed by
machines over all branches, and particularly over the _stable_ branches.

> Users don't like to upgrade often and sometimes they want it but cannot.

Let them wait until 1.7.10 ... it'll be their choice.
But for the rest of us, why waiting ?

I don't like to upgrade either, when it is a major upgrade (things can break).
But bugfix upgrades could be painless, if done carefully.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Pedro Venâncio]

Hi,


I agree with this approach. And I am available to participate as an RC tester.


Best regards,
Pedro Venâncio





- Original Message -
From: Giovanni Manghi 

>  A team of
> committed users (not developers so that the tests are independent)
> would be very useful,
> has this ever done or is it maybe routinely done already? 

As I said in previous e-mail, I agree that it woild be better to have a
RC approach together with a "team" of users/testers.

cheers

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Giovanni Manghi]

>  A team of
> committed users (not developers so that the tests are independent)
> would be very useful,
> has this ever done or is it maybe routinely done already? 

As I said in previous e-mail, I agree that it woild be better to have a
RC approach together with a "team" of users/testers.

cheers

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Giovanni Manghi]

> I think we should use the RC approach from now on.

I agree on the RC approach, there are many people of there (intense
gis/gqis users) that I know would be able to serve as testers during the
"RC" phase.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Giuseppe Sucameli]

On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01:40AM +0100, Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
>>> What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
>> 
>> Is QGis reputation enough? ;)
> 
> I don't see how releasing early and often may degrade QGis reputation.

I don't meant reputation is related to realeasing early itself, but if early 
means bugged...

I agree with releasing early for releases from the master branch only because 
that one is continuously tested.

> As a user I would actually be very happy to know the version I'm using
> is constantly being made more robust.

You are not a normal user, dear strk.

Users don't like to upgrade often and sometimes they want it but cannot.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Agustin Lobo]

I'm still not positive the error in the georeferencer that I reported
to the lists is actually an error
or my fault (I provided the layer and points and wait for feedback)
but in case it is an error, releasing with
such an error in the core (both in terms of code and in terms of
essential functionality) is
certainly detrimental for QGIS reputation.
Is there an standard  testbed that is run before releasing? I could
help by running
some of the standard tests before the new versions are actually
released. A team of
committed users (not developers so that the tests are independent)
would be very useful,
has this ever done or is it maybe routinely done already? For example,
was the georeferencer
tested by users prior releasing 1.7.2 ? I can imagine that as the code
becomes more complex, some changes
made in one part of QGIS could eventually affect other parts in ways
that were not foreseen by
developers (i.e., the georeferencer worked but a change on the
onthefly reprojection could have affected
the results of georeferencer).
Excuses if this is just too naive a comment.
Agus

2011/11/30 Sandro Santilli :
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01:40AM +0100, Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:53:16PM +0100, Marco Hugentobler wrote:
>> >> > And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
>> >>
>> >> maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.
>> >
>> > What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
>>
>> Is QGis reputation enough? ;)
>
> I don't see how releasing early and often may degrade QGis reputation.
> As a user I would actually be very happy to know the version I'm using
> is constantly being made more robust.
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01:40AM +0100, Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:53:16PM +0100, Marco Hugentobler wrote:
> >> > And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
> >>
> >> maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.
> >
> > What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?
> 
> Is QGis reputation enough? ;)

I don't see how releasing early and often may degrade QGis reputation.
As a user I would actually be very happy to know the version I'm using
is constantly being made more robust.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 30/11/2011 00:01, Giuseppe Sucameli ha scritto:

Is QGis reputation enough? ;)

I agree with try to release it ASAP, but
+1 to wait another week instead of release another broken version.

And would be good doing 2-3 days of _further_ tests before
the call for packaging as well.

IMHO we should:
- release 1.7.3RC1 ASAP, possibly today
- announce it and call for testing
- release it after 10 days, if no blocker arise.
I think we should use the RC approach from now on.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Giuseppe Sucameli]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:53:16PM +0100, Marco Hugentobler wrote:
>> > And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
>>
>> maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.
>
> What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?

Is QGis reputation enough? ;)

I agree with try to release it ASAP, but
+1 to wait another week instead of release another broken version.

And would be good doing 2-3 days of _further_ tests before
the call for packaging as well.

Regards.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:53:16PM +0100, Marco Hugentobler wrote:
> > And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
> 
> Shouldn't we wait another week or maybe even a bit longer? I'm just
> afraid that we are going to find other critical bugs in this time
> and maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.

What event could make it impossible to release 1.7.whatever ?

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Re: [Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Marco Hugentobler]

> And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?

Shouldn't we wait another week or maybe even a bit longer? I'm just 
afraid that we are going to find other critical bugs in this time and 
maybe there will not be the possibility to release 1.7.4 then.


Regards,
Marco


On 29.11.2011 14:40, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Hi all.
Road graph plugin gives wrong results if the OTF reprojection is 
enabled. This is correct in Master: could the fix be backported in 1.7.3?

And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
Thanks.




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[Qgis-developer] backports for 1.7.3

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all.
Road graph plugin gives wrong results if the OTF reprojection is 
enabled. This is correct in Master: could the fix be backported in 1.7.3?

And, could the 1.7.3 be released ASAP?
Thanks.

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