Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hi, - if the issues are subprojects of qgis, donors may feel more comfortable knowing that it is the core team who acts as an umbrella - if an unreliable dev jumps out and suggests weird things, this would make things much more confused for potential donors - in case users change their mind, and is proves impossible to find replacements, the project could use some of its internal resources to keep the dev happy. Yes, I agree with this approach and it's how BidforFix is envisioned to work. qgis should be an umbrella, guaranteeing the quality of the work and declaring the issues fixed and released (or not). The target should have substantial margin (25%) so that even if a couple of people decide to withdraw their bids in the last moment, or are unreachable the rest should keep the dev happy. In general, this is new territory so the participants should be comfortable with some degree of uncertainty. However, our experience shows that the atmosphere around the campain is quite positive and boths sides usually try to do their best. Best regards, Tibor BidforFix author I think we can ask BfF people or some of other projects (e.g. OSMAnd) for advice. Thanks. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 22/11/2012 08:03, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: * SIP Bindings revision * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency * Plugins migration Hi all. I'm ready to start the BidforFix. If anyone is interested in fixing one of the issues, please provide me: - a short description of the task (a few lines) - an URL with more detailed explanation of the job to be done, and the expected results for the project - a target in $ (actually in € it would be more appropriate, since most of our donors are European, but apparently this is a limitation of BfF). If nobody replies, this initiative will be stopped. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hi Paolo, On Fri, 23. Nov 2012 at 11:32:35 +0100, Paolo Cavallini wrote: * SIP Bindings revision What's this about? Isn't that done already? Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de committ(ed|ing) to Quantum GIS IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hey Paolo, I'll write up something over the next couple of days. Regards, Nathan On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.itwrote: Il 22/11/2012 08:03, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: * SIP Bindings revision * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency * Plugins migration Hi all. I'm ready to start the BidforFix. If anyone is interested in fixing one of the issues, please provide me: - a short description of the task (a few lines) - an URL with more detailed explanation of the job to be done, and the expected results for the project - a target in $ (actually in € it would be more appropriate, since most of our donors are European, but apparently this is a limitation of BfF). If nobody replies, this initiative will be stopped. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 23/11/2012 11:32, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency * Plugins migration I'm ready to start the BidforFix. If anyone is interested in fixing one of the issues, please provide me: - a short description of the task (a few lines) - an URL with more detailed explanation of the job to be done, and the expected results for the project - a target in $ Hi all. An example issue, to help understand how the system works: http://www.bidforfix.com/p/qgis.org/ http://www.bidforfix.com/p/qgis.org/1/ All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 23/11/2012 14:26, Martin Dobias ha scritto: Please try to be more specific about each point, otherwise there will be a lot of confusion what should be the result of each point. Is symbology/labeling overhaul just about removing old symbology/labeling? Isn't sextante integrated already? Hi Marin, this mine was meant as a reminder: we have discussed about these points rather extensively in Essen. I have my ideas on several of these points, but I think there are people better suited than me to explain in detail what has to be done. In my opinion this is the way how these crowdsourcing campaigns should work: I am a developer motivated to implement particular project, so I will create a campaign and hope that enough money will be raised. Other people from QGIS community (if interested) will help to spread the word about this campaign. If sufficient amount of money is raised, I will implement the feature and I get the money. If I fail to deliver the project, it is my failure. Doing it other way round (QGIS project owns the campaigns) has some disadvantages: - there is a question who is eligible to get money from such campaign - anyone or just a particular group of people? - it is a responsibility of a developer to accomplish the project, so for a failed project QGIS community may be blamed - the philosophy of bidforfix is that users evaulate and then pay the developer. If a campaign is driven by QGIS project, who decides when the project is finished? When the money should be sent to developer? What about the risk that some users change their mind and do not pay? Yes, your approach also makes sense. I have been asked for feedback for that. I have no special preferences, I just note a few issues with your approach: - if the issues are subprojects of qgis, donors may feel more comfortable knowing that it is the core team who acts as an umbrella - if an unreliable dev jumps out and suggests weird things, this would make things much more confused for potential donors - in case users change their mind, and is proves impossible to find replacements, the project could use some of its internal resources to keep the dev happy. I think we can ask BfF people or some of other projects (e.g. OSMAnd) for advice. Thanks. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 22/11/2012 08:58, Alessandro Pasotti ha scritto: Is there any URL for this? no URL, I think we can do all in BfF, to avoid duplications. I'll add tasks there as soon as I have the confirmation and estimate. I would like to work on the website part, this would definitely help to have the same look feel in the plugins app. Thanks. This task should include also the migration of the content of current site to the new structure, etc. Help in writing the specs for each task is more than welcome. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hi Paolo, On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: Il 18/11/2012 07:22, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: - list in detail our needs for a prompt and smooth release of 2.0; my blockers are: * SIP Bindings revision * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul I can help with labeling, since I am already working on it. An 'overhaul' is a bit vague, but I assume you mean (at least) better performance from the new engine. I can put together a concise listing of what's needed to get current labeling changes/performance to a good release-ready stage. * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency I can help with the initial assessment and organization of what needs cleaned up and made consistent (as I started here [0]). However, not sure how much coding I can do, as I would prefer to focus on labeling for this release. [0] http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/GUI_roadmap_for_version_20 * Plugins migration Missing anything? There was talk a while ago about funds for crowd-sourcing the design of a new QGIS logo. While not a fix per se, maybe the process should be started ASAP? Would be good to have a new logo for 2.0 release. Similarly, it would be good to have only one icon set (Robert's GIS theme?). If so, there will need to be some work done on achieving that. A more complete/consistent icon look across the entire app would be a nice addition to a major release like 2.0. Regards, Larry - see if there is any of these who is likely to cause a serious delay (too much work, few resources) - get an estimate to fix it - if we can't get enough money from the campaign to cover all the needs, decide how to best allocate our sponsors and donors resources. Unfortunately, this does not seem to elicit much interest. I think we risk delaying the 2.0 release if we do not deal with these issues effectively. So, now: - I have started our BfF account, we just have to add issues - which of the blockers listed above should be added? - for each, we need an estimate of the cost, and a person responsible for it. Any taker? All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
If I'm not wrong, Tim created poll few month ago and most answers were about promoting gis theme as default one Ah, found it [0] [0] http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4ffb5dfae4b08ad9dfac3f70 On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:10:20 -0700 Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Similarly, it would be good to have only one icon set (Robert's GIS theme?). If so, there will need to be some work done on achieving that. A more complete/consistent icon look across the entire app would be a nice addition to a major release like 2.0. -- Alexander Bruy ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hi! I'm also in favour of using the new GIS Theme! Having Roberts Icons spread for the same functions across open source GIS programs would help users to easily recognise functions again. But to be honest I am not sure about letting the option to choose another theme .. Personaly I like the idea of having more options. But thats just my own opinion. kind regards Werner On 11/22/2012 11:20 AM, Alexander Bruy wrote: If I'm not wrong, Tim created poll few month ago and most answers were about promoting gis theme as default one Ah, found it [0] [0] http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4ffb5dfae4b08ad9dfac3f70 On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:10:20 -0700 Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Similarly, it would be good to have only one icon set (Robert's GIS theme?). If so, there will need to be some work done on achieving that. A more complete/consistent icon look across the entire app would be a nice addition to a major release like 2.0. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
I would like to keep old style in options, even if Robert's theme is now the default one. Régis -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/Main-website-design-tp5017076p5018125.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 18/11/2012 07:22, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: - list in detail our needs for a prompt and smooth release of 2.0; my blockers are: * SIP Bindings revision * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency * Plugins migration Missing anything? - see if there is any of these who is likely to cause a serious delay (too much work, few resources) - get an estimate to fix it - if we can't get enough money from the campaign to cover all the needs, decide how to best allocate our sponsors and donors resources. Unfortunately, this does not seem to elicit much interest. I think we risk delaying the 2.0 release if we do not deal with these issues effectively. So, now: - I have started our BfF account, we just have to add issues - which of the blockers listed above should be added? - for each, we need an estimate of the cost, and a person responsible for it. Any taker? All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 18/11/2012 08:58, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: Il 18/11/2012 08:41, Tim Sutton ha scritto: Sounds good to me. PS Paolo have you seen the funding campaign app they use on http://openlayers,org? http://www.indiegogo.com gosh, yet another one! seems a flourishing market. I hoped we already selected bidforfix - anyone knows pros and cons? indegogo takes 4% from donations, or 9% if we do not reach the goal (plus 3% from donors). unclear to me what are the costs involved for bidforfix. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
That sounds a bit harsh to me. I don't think bidforfix takes anything from us or users Sent from some fancy phone looking thingo From: Paolo Cavallini Sent: 18/11/2012 6:07 PM To: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation Il 18/11/2012 08:58, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: Il 18/11/2012 08:41, Tim Sutton ha scritto: Sounds good to me. PS Paolo have you seen the funding campaign app they use on http://openlayers,org? http://www.indiegogo.com gosh, yet another one! seems a flourishing market. I hoped we already selected bidforfix - anyone knows pros and cons? indegogo takes 4% from donations, or 9% if we do not reach the goal (plus 3% from donors). unclear to me what are the costs involved for bidforfix. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 18/11/2012 09:30, Nathan Woodrow ha scritto: That sounds a bit harsh to me. I don't think bidforfix takes anything from us or users In fact, we had indiegogo already on the list, and discarded it for this reason, and because it is not targeted towards software. So I'm going for BfF, unless somebody objects very soon. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Hi No objection from me - I just thought it interesting that OL had chosen something. I like the idea of having a massive funding drive like they do - though their service offerings etc provided as incentive must complicate the hell out of things... Regards Tim On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.itwrote: Il 18/11/2012 09:30, Nathan Woodrow ha scritto: That sounds a bit harsh to me. I don't think bidforfix takes anything from us or users In fact, we had indiegogo already on the list, and discarded it for this reason, and because it is not targeted towards software. So I'm going for BfF, unless somebody objects very soon. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 18/11/2012 10:07, Tim Sutton ha scritto: Hi No objection from me - I just thought it interesting that OL had chosen something. I like the idea of having a massive funding drive like they do - though their service offerings etc provided as incentive must complicate the hell out of things... Yes, it looks more like a million dollar campaign. I think we aim at the 10k range, at least for a first test of the response. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation (was: Main website design)
Hi On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.itwrote: Il 17/11/2012 21:17, Tim Sutton ha scritto: My opinion is that if we start using any project cash it should be to pay e.g. young Hi all. In general, I think we should: - list in detail our needs for a prompt and smooth release of 2.0; my blockers are: * SIP Bindings revision * Symbology overhaul * Labelling overhaul * New web site and docs * SEXTANTE integration * Interface cleanup and consistency * Plugins migration Missing anything? - see if there is any of these who is likely to cause a serious delay (too much work, few resources) - get an estimate to fix it - start a bidforfix campaign about it (sorry, I'm late on this) - if we can't get enough money from the campaign to cover all the needs, decide how to best allocate our sponsors and donors resources. Sounds good to me. PS Paolo have you seen the funding campaign app they use on http://openlayers,org? Regards Tim Opinions? All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Budget allocation
Il 18/11/2012 08:41, Tim Sutton ha scritto: Sounds good to me. PS Paolo have you seen the funding campaign app they use on http://openlayers,org? http://www.indiegogo.com gosh, yet another one! seems a flourishing market. I hoped we already selected bidforfix - anyone knows pros and cons? All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
