Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

Ok, thanks Nicolas, appreciate all the advice . . .

Cheers . . . . . Spring .


On 13-Jun-2018 03:46, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:

Hi,
Simply because the express desktop will usually install most of what I 
need.   As I also need special packages and libraries for programming 
in python, I usually add those after.  I just got used to do it like 
and as I often do the install on multiple computers, I find it a 
little bit faster.

Nicolas

Le 13 juin 2018 à 02:21, Springfield Harrison > a écrit :



Hello Nicolas,

Thanks for those instructions, likely will save me considerable 
time.  Your instructions seem quite straightforward but just curious 
why you would not skip the express desktop install and go straight to 
the advanced install directly?


Thanks again…

Cheers . . . . . Spring .



On 12-Jun-2018 08:25, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:


Sorry,

Attached images were too big.  Resending without the screen shots.

Nicolas


On 2018-06-11 7:16 PM, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:


Hi,

As usual, answer below.

Nicolas


On 2018-06-11 1:10 PM, Springfield Harrison wrote:

Greetings again,

Thanks for the comments again.

 1. Regarding the versions, things are not actually as I imagine. 
My assumption that higher numbers indicate a newer version

appears to be incorrect. I presume this is documented
somewhere and will try to sort through all that when I get
time. This is a good example of why I am reluctant to wade
into the upgrade end of the pool.  Workload well out of
proportion to the presumed benefits.


The Osgeo4w installer makes this easy for you.


 1. Where is the logic here - "so actually it would not be a "step
backwards" to go from 2.8  to 2.18."?  Sorry to be difficult
but why does QGIS versioning need to be studied, when it could
easily be intuitive?

They are not numbers.  Logic is found here: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html


1.


 2. Will osgeo4w install an LTR?

I believe the express install will only install the latest stable 
3.x version (select Express Desktop Install.  The Express Web-GIS 
install option is for a web server).  The Advance Osgeo will add 
options.

a) Select "Advanced Install"
b) Select  "Install from the Internet"
c) Select the Root Directory (C:\OSGeo4W64 is suggested. I would 
not change it.  If you do, make sure you have no space " "or funny 
character like in "c:\José Qgis installation").  This is where the 
program file will be placed.
d) Select Install for "All Users" and "Create icon on Desktop" and 
"Start Menu".
e) Local Package Directory will be offered. 
"C:\Users\Admin\AppData\Local\Temp" .  Don't need to change it.  
That is where the installation files will be downloaded.

f) Select the Internet Connection. Default is "Direct Connection".
g)Choose a Download site.  Default is http:/download.osgeo.org.
h) Look at the final screen shot I sent you.  I you select 
"desktop", you will see current version  number (if installed) and 
the new version number.  Select "qgis: QGIS Desktop" for 3x or 
"qgis: qgis-ltr-full." for 2.x.  Or both.  Other packages will be 
selected for you (like Saga, Grass.) Do not deselect them.  You 
will also need to accept all licences  during the install and you 
will probably be asked to add extra packages along the way. Accept 
them.


For me, the normal procedure on a new computer is to start with an 
Express Desktop Install.  Then, I do an "advance Install" to add 
extra packages or different versions of QGIS.


Nicolas



 
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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Nicolas Cadieux]

Hi,
Simply because the express desktop will usually install most of what I need.   
As I also need special packages and libraries for programming in python, I 
usually add those after.  I just got used to do it like and as I often do the 
install on multiple computers, I find it a little bit faster.
Nicolas

> Le 13 juin 2018 à 02:21, Springfield Harrison  a écrit :
> 
> Hello Nicolas,
> 
> Thanks for those instructions, likely will save me considerable time.  Your 
> instructions seem quite straightforward but just curious why you would not 
> skip the express desktop install and go straight to the advanced install 
> directly?
> 
> Thanks again…
> 
> Cheers . . . . . Spring .
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12-Jun-2018 08:25, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
>> Sorry, 
>> Attached images were too big.  Resending without the screen shots.
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>>> On 2018-06-11 7:16 PM, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As usual, answer below.
>>> 
>>> Nicolas
>>> 
 On 2018-06-11 1:10 PM, Springfield Harrison wrote:
 Greetings again,
 
 Thanks for the comments again.
 Regarding the versions, things are not actually as I imagine.  My 
 assumption that higher numbers indicate a newer version appears to be 
 incorrect.  I presume this is documented somewhere and will try to sort 
 through all that when I get time.  This is a good example of why I am 
 reluctant to wade into the upgrade end of the pool.  Workload well out of 
 proportion to the presumed benefits.
>>> The Osgeo4w installer makes this easy for you.
 Where is the logic here - "so actually it would not be a "step backwards" 
 to go from 2.8  to 2.18."?  Sorry to be difficult but why does QGIS 
 versioning need to be studied, when it could easily be intuitive?  
>>> They are not numbers.  Logic is found here: 
>>> https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html
 
 Will osgeo4w install an LTR?
>>> I believe the express install will only install the latest stable 3.x 
>>> version (select Express Desktop Install.  The Express Web-GIS install 
>>> option is for a web server).  The Advance Osgeo will add options.
>>> a) Select "Advanced Install"
>>> b) Select  "Install from the Internet"
>>> c) Select the Root Directory (C:\OSGeo4W64 is suggested.  I would not 
>>> change it.  If you do, make sure you have no space " "or funny character 
>>> like in "c:\José Qgis installation").  This is where the program file will 
>>> be placed.
>>> d) Select Install for "All Users" and "Create icon on Desktop" and "Start 
>>> Menu".
>>> e) Local Package Directory will be offered.   
>>> "C:\Users\Admin\AppData\Local\Temp" .  Don't need to change it.  That is 
>>> where the installation files will be downloaded.
>>> f) Select the Internet Connection. Default is "Direct Connection".
>>> g)Choose a Download site.  Default is http:/download.osgeo.org.
>>> h) Look at the final screen shot I sent you.  I you select "desktop", you 
>>> will see current version  number (if installed) and the new version number. 
>>>  Select "qgis: QGIS Desktop" for 3x or "qgis: qgis-ltr-full." for 2.x.  Or 
>>> both.  Other packages will be selected for you (like Saga, Grass.) Do not 
>>> deselect them.  You will also need to accept all licences  during the 
>>> install and you will probably be asked to add extra packages along the way. 
>>> Accept them. 
>>> 
>>> For me, the normal procedure on a new computer is to start with an Express 
>>> Desktop Install.  Then, I do an "advance Install" to add extra packages or 
>>> different versions of QGIS.
>>> 
>>> Nicolas
>>>   
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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Nicolas,

Thanks for those instructions, likely will save me considerable time.  
Your instructions seem quite straightforward but just curious why you 
would not skip the express desktop install and go straight to the 
advanced install directly?


Thanks again…

Cheers . . . . . Spring .



On 12-Jun-2018 08:25, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:


Sorry,

Attached images were too big.  Resending without the screen shots.

Nicolas


On 2018-06-11 7:16 PM, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:


Hi,

As usual, answer below.

Nicolas


On 2018-06-11 1:10 PM, Springfield Harrison wrote:

Greetings again,

Thanks for the comments again.

 1. Regarding the versions, things are not actually as I imagine. 
My assumption that higher numbers indicate a newer version

appears to be incorrect.  I presume this is documented somewhere
and will try to sort through all that when I get time.  This is
a good example of why I am reluctant to wade into the upgrade
end of the pool. Workload well out of proportion to the presumed
benefits.


The Osgeo4w installer makes this easy for you.


 1. Where is the logic here - "so actually it would not be a "step
backwards" to go from 2.8  to 2.18."?  Sorry to be difficult but
why does QGIS versioning need to be studied, when it could
easily be intuitive?

They are not numbers.  Logic is found here: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html


1.


 2. Will osgeo4w install an LTR?

I believe the express install will only install the latest stable 3.x 
version (select Express Desktop Install.  The Express Web-GIS install 
option is for a web server).  The Advance Osgeo will add options.

a) Select "Advanced Install"
b) Select  "Install from the Internet"
c) Select the Root Directory (C:\OSGeo4W64 is suggested.  I would not 
change it.  If you do, make sure you have no space " "or funny 
character like in "c:\José Qgis installation").  This is where the 
program file will be placed.
d) Select Install for "All Users" and "Create icon on Desktop" and 
"Start Menu".
e) Local Package Directory will be offered. 
"C:\Users\Admin\AppData\Local\Temp" .  Don't need to change it. That 
is where the installation files will be downloaded.

f) Select the Internet Connection. Default is "Direct Connection".
g)Choose a Download site.  Default is http:/download.osgeo.org.
h) Look at the final screen shot I sent you.  I you select "desktop", 
you will see current version  number (if installed) and the new 
version number.  Select "qgis: QGIS Desktop" for 3x or "qgis: 
qgis-ltr-full." for 2.x.  Or both.  Other packages will be selected 
for you (like Saga, Grass.) Do not deselect them.  You will also need 
to accept all licences  during the install and you will probably be 
asked to add extra packages along the way. Accept them.


For me, the normal procedure on a new computer is to start with an 
Express Desktop Install.  Then, I do an "advance Install" to add 
extra packages or different versions of QGIS.


Nicolas

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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Nicolas Cadieux]

; Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current 
>>>> thinking on the upgrading process.
>>> 
>>> Well we see that this is not easy for you.  I sometimes feel the same 
>>> sitting in front of a Mac where my reflexes are not as sharp as with 
>>> windows.  Again, do it if when you have the time, consider this as a 
>>> learning experience and not an obstacle.  Backup your data when doing 
>>> something you are not sure of and use community support.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you all again for your assistance…
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with three 
>>>>> concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and sometimes 
>>>>> ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this situation.
>>>>> And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just about 
>>>>> click click click process and all got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 
>>>>> folder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just wanted to share my experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Harrissou
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow 
>>>>> :
>>>>>> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts 
>>>>>> the application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. 
>>>>>> You may encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the 
>>>>>> osgeo4w installer if you aren’t careful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Patrick Dunford
>>>>>> Sent: 08 June 2018 11:01
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: qgis-user ML
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the 
>>>>>> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new 
>>>>>> installation is carried out and cause older software versions to stop 
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by 
>>>>>> side on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in 
>>>>>> different locations so there are no conflicts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Patrick Dunford
>>>>>> Sent: 08 June 2018 05:02
>>>>>> To: qgis-user ML
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your 
>>>>>> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for 
>>>>>> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 
>>>>>> alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in 
>>>>>> virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have 
>>>>>> access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out 
>>>>>> in a Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without 
>>>>>> disturbing your current installation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older 
>>>>>> project files but has problems w

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[DelazJ]

two or three simultaneous
> installations?  Does this mean that the latest version is not adequate for
> some tasks?
>
>
> Some  installs are  for stable long term support (LTS).  Some are under
> development (DEV). Qgis3,0 is what they call early adopters (so it is more
> likely to have bug but they have all the latest bling).  The nightly builds
> are version containing the most resent fixes.  Generally speaking, I go
> with the LTS at work and other versions at home.
>
>
> All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading in to
> something that may have a lengthy learning curve and an unpredictable
> outcome.  In this case, the devil you know definitely seems to be a worthy
> rule of thumb.  At least, until it fails utterly.
>
>
> Fix problems when you have time.  Plan for extra time.   Backup you data
> regularly so if shit hits the fan... you have a copy of all your files.
> This is just common good sense computer user practice. Consider the
> problems you create and solve as a learning experience and not an
> obstacle.  Things get much less stressful if you know that you can only
> loose time and not your important data.
>
>
> In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had installed 2.8.1 and,
> remarkably, it would load my ostensibly corrupt configuration file.  I
> appear to be back in business.
>
>
> Therefore your Qgis 2.10 is probably at fault and a update will more
> likely give you a more stable environment with better and newer features.
> Remember that opening a Qgis project from a higher version to a Lower
> version can lead to problems so make sure you add the Qgis version in the
> name of the file.
>
>
> However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers but
> does not fail after the delay.  There are about 100 layers, mostly vector.
>
>
> Things have probably improved since...  that is why and upgrade is
> justified.
>
>
> Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current
> thinking on the upgrading process.
>
>
> Well we see that this is not easy for you.  I sometimes feel the same
> sitting in front of a Mac where my reflexes are not as sharp as with
> windows.  Again, do it if when you have the time, consider this as a
> learning experience and not an obstacle.  Backup your data when doing
> something you are not sure of and use community support.
>
>
> Thank you all again for your assistance…
>
> Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison
>
>
>
> On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with three
> concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and sometimes
> ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this situation.
> And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just about
> click click click process and all got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 folder.
>
> Just wanted to share my experience.
>
> Regards,
> Harrissou
>
>
> 2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow  org.uk>:
>
>> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts
>> the application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You
>> may encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w
>> installer if you aren’t careful.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Patrick Dunford
>> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 11:01
>>
>> *To:* qgis-user ML
>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>
>>
>>
>> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the
>> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation
>> is carried out and cause older software versions to stop working.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
>>
>> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side
>> on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in
>> different locations so there are no conflicts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Dunford
>> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
>> *To:* qgis-user ML
>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>
>>
>>
>> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your
>> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for
>> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0
>> alongside your current 

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

  I appear to be back in business.


Therefore your Qgis 2.10 is probably at fault and a update will more 
likely give you a more stable environment with better and newer 
features. Remember that opening a Qgis project from a higher version 
to a Lower version can lead to problems so make sure you add the Qgis 
version in the name of the file.


However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers 
but does not fail after the delay.  There are about 100 layers, 
mostly vector.


Things have probably improved since...  that is why and upgrade is 
justified.




Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current 
thinking on the upgrading process.


Well we see that this is not easy for you.  I sometimes feel the same 
sitting in front of a Mac where my reflexes are not as sharp as with 
windows.  Again, do it if when you have the time, consider this as a 
learning experience and not an obstacle.  Backup your data when doing 
something you are not sure of and use community support.


Thank you all again for your assistance…

Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison



On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:

Hi,

Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with 
three concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and 
sometimes ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this 
situation.
And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just 
about click click click process and all got installed in the 
c:\osgeo4w64 folder.


Just wanted to share my experience.

Regards,
Harrissou


2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow 
<mailto:phil...@pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk>>:


AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that
just puts the application and everything it needs into a folder
in program files. You may encounter issues if you installed
multiple versions with the osgeo4w installer if you aren’t careful.

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Patrick Dunford
*Sent:* 08 June 2018 11:01


    *To:* qgis-user ML
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

That may be the case for the application. However, depending on
the installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new
installation is carried out and cause older software versions to
stop working.

On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:

I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds)
side by side on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user
settings and plugins in different locations so there are no
conflicts.

Phil

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Patrick Dunford
*Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
        *To:* qgis-user ML
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple
versions on your computer side by side. I personally haven't
used the Windows version for several years so I can't be
sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 alongside your
current version. I run many of the editions I have in
virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or
if you have access to another computer that can run Linux,
then you can try it out in a Linux virtual machine or
physical computer environment without disturbing your
current installation.

On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no
plugins option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will
run older project files but has problems with newer ones
for the same project.

I can load an older project file and then add newer
layers to it and reconfigure them, Etc. This is very
tedious but will amount to a recovery. It is better than
starting from scratch for sure. But will the same
problem reoccur?

I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm
always leery of upgrades of anything as they often bring
problems with them. In this list I notice many
references to installation issues and things not
running. 2.10 is a devil I know.

can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford"
mailto:enzedrailm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove
all installed plugins or test 

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Nicolas Cadieux]

gt;> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts the 
>>> application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You may 
>>> encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w 
>>> installer if you aren’t careful.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Patrick Dunford
>>> Sent: 08 June 2018 11:01
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To: qgis-user ML
>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>>  
>>> 
>>> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the 
>>> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation 
>>> is carried out and cause older software versions to stop working.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side 
>>> on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in 
>>> different locations so there are no conflicts.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Patrick Dunford
>>> Sent: 08 June 2018 05:02
>>> To: qgis-user ML
>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your 
>>> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for 
>>> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 
>>> alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in 
>>> virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have 
>>> access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a 
>>> Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without disturbing 
>>> your current installation.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.
>>> 
>>> The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project 
>>> files but has problems with newer ones for the same project.
>>> 
>>> I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and 
>>> reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery. 
>>> It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem 
>>> reoccur?
>>> 
>>> I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of upgrades 
>>> of anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I notice 
>>> many references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10 is a 
>>> devil I know.
>>> 
>>> can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?
>>> 
>>> Cheers . . . . .   Spring
>>> Samsung Tab 4
>>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out
>>> 
>>> 1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed 
>>> plugins or test removing one at a time.
>>> 
>>> 2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.
>>> 
>>> Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate to 
>>> 3.0?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello Phil,
>>> 
>>> I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances 
>>> referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing 
>>> obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe 
>>> there is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.
>>> 
>>> I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on 
>>> the startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with 
>>> a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the 
>>> properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be 
>>> saved.
>>> 
>>> For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a 
>>> while and then would resume to complet

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[DelazJ]

les saved. But all
this paragraph requires you to be confident on the upgrade beforehand... ;)

Hope that I'd helped to clarify some of your concerns and brought you back
on the zen and optimistic road,

Regards,
Harrissou

All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading in to
> something that may have a lengthy learning curve and an unpredictable
> outcome.  In this case, the devil you know definitely seems to be a worthy
> rule of thumb.  At least, until it fails utterly.
>
> In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had installed 2.8.1 and,
> remarkably, it would load my ostensibly corrupt configuration file.  I
> appear to be back in business.
>
> However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers but
> does not fail after the delay.  There are about 100 layers, mostly vector.
>
> Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current
> thinking on the upgrading process.
>
> Thank you all again for your assistance…
>
> Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison
>
>
>
> On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with three
> concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and sometimes
> ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this situation.
> And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just about
> click click click process and all got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 folder.
>
> Just wanted to share my experience.
>
> Regards,
> Harrissou
>
>
> 2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow  org.uk>:
>
>> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts
>> the application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You
>> may encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w
>> installer if you aren’t careful.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Patrick Dunford
>> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 11:01
>>
>> *To:* qgis-user ML
>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>
>>
>>
>> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the
>> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation
>> is carried out and cause older software versions to stop working.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
>>
>> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side
>> on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in
>> different locations so there are no conflicts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Dunford
>> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
>> *To:* qgis-user ML
>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>>
>>
>>
>> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your
>> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for
>> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0
>> alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in
>> virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have
>> access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a
>> Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without disturbing
>> your current installation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>>
>> hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.
>>
>> The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project
>> files but has problems with newer ones for the same project.
>>
>> I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and
>> reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery.
>> It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem
>> reoccur?
>>
>> I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of
>> upgrades of anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I
>> notice many references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10
>> is a devil I know.
>>
>> can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?
>>
>> Cheers . . . . .   Spring
>> Samsung Tab 4
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out
>>
>> 1. Start up 

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Patrick Dunford]

I can't answer all your questions but it is informative to point out 
that the software is constantly under development.


The most common reason to run multiple versions is to run a development 
version alongside a stable version. I used to run development masters 
alongside the stable version on Windows.


The fact is of running a later version is that not only is it supported, 
but many issues are fixed and improved.


Version 2.18 is still supported and very likely you would not notice any 
issues changing from an older 2.x version. However it will be dropped 
shortly because 3.2 is due to be released in a week or two. This is why 
it is imperative you should actually migrate to 3.0 as soon as possible.


Whether we like it or not the progression of software and operating 
system development is a fact and as the version of Windows you are now 
running is unsupported by Microsoft it would be highly advisable to look 
at some sort of migration path to a currently supported operating system 
as well as software since eventually Qgis support for Windows 7 will be 
dropped. Apart from that the older versions of Windows are vulnerable to 
security hacks since MS will stop producing security updates for them.


If a new computer running Windows is a bit too much to buy, a new PC 
running Linux is quite capable, or even an older computer running the 
latest 18.04 release of Xubuntu is quite capable of running Qgis well. 
The Linux community unlike MS actively develops versions of the platform 
for low resource environments unlike MS and you are not locked into the 
Windows hardware upgrade cycle as new versions of Windows all demand 
higher hardware specs. By comparison, most major distros of Linux have 
just transitioned to 64 bit only, which in practice means computers not 
more than 12 years old.



On 09/06/18 18:06, Springfield Harrison wrote:

Hello Responders,

Thanks very much for your suggestions and comments.  Very helpful.

I must say though that the last few comments have again underscored my 
nervousness about changing anything that isn't completely broken.


Firstly, why are there two installation processes and what is the 
purpose of each?  This implies making a choice after learning about 
the benefits and disadvantages of each.  What are the criteria for 
choosing one over the other?  How long is the process of understanding 
the options?


Secondly, there seems to be no great consensus over the possibility 
(or not) of conflicts between simultaneous installations.  Again, this 
makes me nervous.


Thirdly, why are some operators running two or three simultaneous 
installations?  Does this mean that the latest version is not adequate 
for some tasks?


All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading in to 
something that may have a lengthy learning curve and an unpredictable 
outcome.  In this case, the devil you know definitely seems to be a 
worthy rule of thumb.  At least, until it fails utterly.


In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had installed 2.8.1 
and, remarkably, it would load my ostensibly corrupt configuration 
file.  I appear to be back in business.


However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers 
but does not fail after the delay.  There are about 100 layers, mostly 
vector.


Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current 
thinking on the upgrading process.


Thank you all again for your assistance…

Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison



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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Responders,

Thanks very much for your suggestions and comments.  Very helpful.

I must say though that the last few comments have again underscored my 
nervousness about changing anything that isn't completely broken.


Firstly, why are there two installation processes and what is the 
purpose of each?  This implies making a choice after learning about the 
benefits and disadvantages of each.  What are the criteria for choosing 
one over the other?  How long is the process of understanding the options?


Secondly, there seems to be no great consensus over the possibility (or 
not) of conflicts between simultaneous installations.  Again, this makes 
me nervous.


Thirdly, why are some operators running two or three simultaneous 
installations?  Does this mean that the latest version is not adequate 
for some tasks?


All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading in to 
something that may have a lengthy learning curve and an unpredictable 
outcome.  In this case, the devil you know definitely seems to be a 
worthy rule of thumb.  At least, until it fails utterly.


In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had installed 2.8.1 
and, remarkably, it would load my ostensibly corrupt configuration 
file.  I appear to be back in business.


However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers 
but does not fail after the delay.  There are about 100 layers, mostly 
vector.


Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current 
thinking on the upgrading process.


Thank you all again for your assistance…

Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison



On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:

Hi,

Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with 
three concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and 
sometimes ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this 
situation.
And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just 
about click click click process and all got installed in the 
c:\osgeo4w64 folder.


Just wanted to share my experience.

Regards,
Harrissou


2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow 
<mailto:phil...@pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk>>:


AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just
puts the application and everything it needs into a folder in
program files. You may encounter issues if you installed multiple
versions with the osgeo4w installer if you aren’t careful.

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
Dunford
*Sent:* 08 June 2018 11:01


    *To:* qgis-user ML
    *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

That may be the case for the application. However, depending on
the installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new
installation is carried out and cause older software versions to
stop working.

On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:

I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds)
side by side on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user
settings and plugins in different locations so there are no
conflicts.

Phil

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Patrick Dunford
*Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
    *To:* qgis-user ML
    *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple
versions on your computer side by side. I personally haven't
used the Windows version for several years so I can't be sure
if you will have any issues running 3.0 alongside your current
version. I run many of the editions I have in virtual
machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you
have access to another computer that can run Linux, then you
can try it out in a Linux virtual machine or physical computer
environment without disturbing your current installation.

On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no
plugins option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will
run older project files but has problems with newer ones
for the same project.

I can load an older project file and then add newer layers
to it and reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but
will amount to a recovery. It is better than starting from
scratch for sure. But will the same problem reoccur?

I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always
leery of upgrades of anything as they often bring problems
with them. In this list I notice many references to
installation

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[DelazJ]

Hi,

Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with three
concurrent releases  minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and sometimes
ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this situation.
And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just about
click click click process and all got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 folder.

Just wanted to share my experience.

Regards,
Harrissou


2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow 
:

> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts the
> application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You may
> encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w
> installer if you aren’t careful.
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patrick Dunford
> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 11:01
>
> *To:* qgis-user ML
> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>
>
>
> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the
> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation
> is carried out and cause older software versions to stop working.
>
>
>
> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
>
> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side
> on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in
> different locations so there are no conflicts.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Dunford
> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
> *To:* qgis-user ML
> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>
>
>
> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your
> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for
> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0
> alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in
> virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have
> access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a
> Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without disturbing
> your current installation.
>
>
>
> On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>
> hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.
>
> The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project
> files but has problems with newer ones for the same project.
>
> I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and
> reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery.
> It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem
> reoccur?
>
> I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of
> upgrades of anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I
> notice many references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10
> is a devil I know.
>
> can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?
>
> Cheers . . . . .   Spring
> Samsung Tab 4
>
> On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford"  wrote:
>
> Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out
>
> 1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed
> plugins or test removing one at a time.
>
> 2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.
>
> Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate to
> 3.0?
>
>
>
> On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:
>
> hello Phil,
>
> I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances
> referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing
> obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe
> there is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.
>
> I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on
> the startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with
> a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the
> properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be
> saved.
>
> For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a
> while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up.
> The key message seems to be unknown exception.
>
> Some older project files do load successfully however...
>
> Cheers . . . . .   Spring
> Samsung Tab 4
>
> On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt"  wrote:
>
> Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad
> and see if anything obvious can be fixed

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Philip Barlow]

AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts the 
application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You may 
encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w installer 
if you aren’t careful.

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Dunford
Sent: 08 June 2018 11:01
To: qgis-user ML
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project


That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the 
installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation is 
carried out and cause older software versions to stop working.

On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:
I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side on 
Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in different 
locations so there are no conflicts.

Phil

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Dunford
Sent: 08 June 2018 05:02
To: qgis-user ML
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project


The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your 
computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for 
several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 
alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in virtual 
machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have access to 
another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a Linux virtual 
machine or physical computer environment without disturbing your current 
installation.

On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project files 
but has problems with newer ones for the same project.

I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and 
reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery. It 
is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem 
reoccur?

I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of upgrades of 
anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I notice many 
references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10 is a devil I 
know.

can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" 
mailto:enzedrailm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed plugins or 
test removing one at a time.

2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.

Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate to 3.0?

On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances 
referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing 
obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe there 
is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on the 
startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with a 
spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the properties 
of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a while 
and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up. The key 
message seems to be unknown exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad and 
see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the DXF 
layer?

From: Qgis-user 
[mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>]
 On Behalf Of Springfield Harrison
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List
Subject: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no problems:

  1.  QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
  2.  Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
  3.  halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
  4.  the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
  5.  this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete, cursor 
spinner on constantly
  6.  exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
  7.  the project file is trashed to 0kb
  8.  Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
  9.  Restoring previous project file ver

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Patrick Dunford]

That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the 
installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new 
installation is carried out and cause older software versions to stop 
working.



On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:


I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by 
side on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins 
in different locations so there are no conflicts.


Phil

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf 
Of *Patrick Dunford

*Sent:* 08 June 2018 05:02
*To:* qgis-user ML
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on 
your computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows 
version for several years so I can't be sure if you will have any 
issues running 3.0 alongside your current version. I run many of the 
editions I have in virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of 
memory, or if you have access to another computer that can run Linux, 
then you can try it out in a Linux virtual machine or physical 
computer environment without disturbing your current installation.


On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins
option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older
project files but has problems with newer ones for the same project.

I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it
and reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to
a recovery. It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But
will the same problem reoccur?

I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of
upgrades of anything as they often bring problems with them. In
this list I notice many references to installation issues and
things not running. 2.10 is a devil I know.

can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" mailto:enzedrailm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all
installed plugins or test removing one at a time.

2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.

Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't
migrate to 3.0?

On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13
instances referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything
was wrong there, nothing obvious. At least to me. Some other
research I did indicates that maybe there is an authentication
problem, not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and
bypassed it on the startup routine which the program accepted
but it still seized up with a spinning cursor. Some things
still function, such as modifying the properties of a layer ,
Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs
down for a while and then would resume to completion. Now it
bogs down and blows up. The key message seems to be unknown
exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:

Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something
like notepad and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or
removed in relation to the DXF layer?

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Springfield Harrison
*Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
*To:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
    <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List
*Subject:* [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works
with no problems:

 1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
 2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
 3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
 4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers
service
 5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to
complete, cursor spinner on constantly
 6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
 7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
 8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
 9. Restoring previous project file versions yield

Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Philip Barlow]

I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side on 
Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in different 
locations so there are no conflicts.

Phil

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Dunford
Sent: 08 June 2018 05:02
To: qgis-user ML
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project


The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your 
computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for 
several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 
alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in virtual 
machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have access to 
another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a Linux virtual 
machine or physical computer environment without disturbing your current 
installation.

On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project files 
but has problems with newer ones for the same project.

I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and 
reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery. It 
is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem 
reoccur?

I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of upgrades of 
anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I notice many 
references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10 is a devil I 
know.

can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" 
mailto:enzedrailm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed plugins or 
test removing one at a time.

2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.

Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate to 3.0?

On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:

hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances 
referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing 
obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe there 
is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on the 
startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with a 
spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the properties 
of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a while 
and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up. The key 
message seems to be unknown exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" 
mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad and 
see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the DXF 
layer?

From: Qgis-user 
[mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>]
 On Behalf Of Springfield Harrison
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List
Subject: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no problems:

  1.  QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
  2.  Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
  3.  halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
  4.  the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
  5.  this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete, cursor 
spinner on constantly
  6.  exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
  7.  the project file is trashed to 0kb
  8.  Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
  9.  Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
  10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .

Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison





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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Patrick Dunford]

The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your 
computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for 
several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 
alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in 
virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have 
access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out 
in a Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without 
disturbing your current installation.



On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote:


hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option.

The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older 
project files but has problems with newer ones for the same project.


I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and 
reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a 
recovery. It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will 
the same problem reoccur?


I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of 
upgrades of anything as they often bring problems with them. In this 
list I notice many references to installation issues and things not 
running. 2.10 is a devil I know.


can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" <mailto:enzedrailm...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all
installed plugins or test removing one at a time.

2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.

Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't
migrate to 3.0?


On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:


hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13
instances referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was
wrong there, nothing obvious. At least to me. Some other research
I did indicates that maybe there is an authentication problem,
not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and
bypassed it on the startup routine which the program accepted but
it still seized up with a spinning cursor. Some things still
function, such as modifying the properties of a layer , Etc. But
the screen is blank and nothing can be saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs
down for a while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs
down and blows up. The key message seems to be unknown exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:

Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something
like notepad and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or
removed in relation to the DXF layer?

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Springfield Harrison
*Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
*To:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
    <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List
*Subject:* [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works
with no problems:

 1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
 2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
 3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
 4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers
service
 5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to
complete, cursor spinner on constantly
 6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
 7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
 8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
 9. Restoring previous project file versions yields the same
results
10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .

Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison



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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Patrick Dunford]

Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out

1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed 
plugins or test removing one at a time.


2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config.

Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate 
to 3.0?



On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:


hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 
instances referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong 
there, nothing obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did 
indicates that maybe there is an authentication problem, not sure just 
what that boils down to.


I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed 
it on the startup routine which the program accepted but it still 
seized up with a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as 
modifying the properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and 
nothing can be saved.


For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for 
a while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and 
blows up. The key message seems to be unknown exception.


Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:


Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like
notepad and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in
relation to the DXF layer?

*From:*Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of
*Springfield Harrison
*Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
*To:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
    List
    *Subject:* [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with
no problems:

 1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
 2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
 3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
 4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
 5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete,
cursor spinner on constantly
 6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
 7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
 8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
 9. Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .

Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison



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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Phil,

I would say less than 50 layers mostly shapefiles. I was hoping to be able
to tweak the project file but that appears to be out of the question except
possibly by a programmer.

Not sure what can be done next, waiting for expert ideas...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 7, 2018 12:29 AM, "Phil Wyatt"  wrote:

> When you say “loads many layers”…how many are we talking about – 20, 50,
> 250? Shape files, WMS, Raster, Vector? Unknown Exception I suspect is hard
> to diagnose, especially now on QGIS 2.10 and Windows 7 which are both
> pretty old.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Springfield Harrison [mailto:stellar...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 4:28 PM
> *To:* Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
> *Cc:* qgis-user
> *Subject:* RE: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>
>
>
> hello Phil,
>
> I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances
> referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing
> obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe
> there is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.
>
> I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on
> the startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with
> a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the
> properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be
> saved.
>
> For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a
> while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up.
> The key message seems to be unknown exception.
>
> Some older project files do load successfully however...
>
> Cheers . . . . .   Spring
> Samsung Tab 4
>
> On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt"  wrote:
>
> Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad
> and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the
> DXF layer?
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Springfield Harrison
> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
> *To:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List
> *Subject:* [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no
> problems:
>
>1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
>2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
>3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
>4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
>5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete,
>cursor spinner on constantly
>6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
>7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
>8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
>9. Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
>10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner
>
> Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.
>
> Thanks very much . . . .
>
>
>
> Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Phil Wyatt]

When you say “loads many layers”…how many are we talking about – 20, 50, 250? 
Shape files, WMS, Raster, Vector? Unknown Exception I suspect is hard to 
diagnose, especially now on QGIS 2.10 and Windows 7 which are both pretty old.

 

 

From: Springfield Harrison [mailto:stellar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 4:28 PM
To: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
Cc: qgis-user
Subject: RE: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

 

hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances 
referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing 
obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe there 
is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on the 
startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with a 
spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the properties 
of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a while 
and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up. The key 
message seems to be unknown exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4

On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt"  wrote:

Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad and 
see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the DXF 
layer?

 

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
Springfield Harrison
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List
Subject: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

 

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no problems:

1.  QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
2.  Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
3.  halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
4.  the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
5.  this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete, cursor 
spinner on constantly
6.  exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
7.  the project file is trashed to 0kb
8.  Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
9.  Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .

 

Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison

 

 

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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Phil Wyatt]

Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad
and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the
DXF layer?

 

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Springfield Harrison
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List
Subject: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

 

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no
problems:

1.  QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
2.  Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
3.  halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
4.  the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
5.  this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete,
cursor spinner on constantly
6.  exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
7.  the project file is trashed to 0kb
8.  Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
9.  Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .

 

Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison

 

 

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Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

hello Phil,

I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances
referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing
obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe
there is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to.

I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on
the startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with
a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the
properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be
saved.

For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a
while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up.
The key message seems to be unknown exception.

Some older project files do load successfully however...

Cheers . . . . .   Spring
Samsung Tab 4
On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt"  wrote:

> Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad
> and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the
> DXF layer?
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Springfield Harrison
> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM
> *To:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List
> *Subject:* [Qgis-user] Unable to load project
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no
> problems:
>
>1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
>2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
>3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
>4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
>5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete,
>cursor spinner on constantly
>6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
>7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
>8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
>9. Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
>10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner
>
> Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.
>
> Thanks very much . . . .
>
>
>
> Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison
>
>
>
>
>
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[Qgis-user] Unable to load project

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello All,

Bad News.  I am unable to load a project that normally works with no 
problems:


1. QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.
2. Project starts to load, loads many layers . . .
3. halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file
4. the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service
5. this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete,
   cursor spinner on constantly
6. exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception"
7. the project file is trashed to 0kb
8. Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded
9. Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results
10. Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner

Any ideas what is going on here?  I have rebooted the computer.

Thanks very much . . . .


Cheers . . . . . Springfield Harrison


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