Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 dinner - urgent

2014-08-11 Thread jms1

Dear QLis30 Diners

The problem is that I am not well versed in electronic methods of 
payment.


I believe that PayPal will let you transfer money with a credit card,
but all the information the receiver gets is an email address.
So perhaps a separate email with the details may be the answer.

I believe in the UK if you use internet banking you can transfer the 
money

direct with little or no charge, using SQLUG bank account sort code and
account number.
I can return an email with these details.

Other methods by the banks seem to incur a charge more than the value 
of the

dinner!

I would be pleased if somebody who uses these methods could advise on 
the best

methods.

John Sadler

On 2014-08-10 19:25, Geoff Wicks wrote: transfer mo

The QLis30 workshop dinner will be held on Friday 10th October in the
Holiday Inn, 132 Corstorphine Road, Edinburgh, EH12 6UA.

The Holiday Inn is about 2 km from the QLis30 workshop venue in the
direction of the city centre. It is near the Edinburgh Zoo and is
served by the airport bus.

www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9431159,-3.266964,16z

The room is booked from 19.00 to 23.00 and the final menu is still to
be decided, but it will have a Scottish theme.

SPECIAL DIETARY NEEDS

Please inform us of any special dietary needs, including vegetarian,
when booking as we have to inform the Holiday Inn in advance.

The cost is £25 for a three course meal plus coffee. As the Holiday
Inn requires payment in full a month in advance all bookings must be
in and fully paid by the end of August.

PAYMENT METHODS

For obvious security reasons we are unable to put bank account and
personal contact details online and would ask you to use one of the
following procedures.

1: Payment by cheque for £25 made out to SQLUG and sent to John
Sadler. For John's contact details please use the email link on the
SQLUG website:

www.jms1.supanet.com/SQLUG/intro.htm

2: Payment by PaYPaL. Quanta has kindly agreed to allow payment via
their PayPal account. This may be the cheapest way for non-UK-ers to
pay.

There is a charge for using PayPal and, for foreign currency users,
exchange and transfer costs.

UK users should pay £26 and non UK users £28.

For details of how to pay via the PayPal website please contact
Quanta's treasurer via their website link:

www.quanta.org.uk

If paying by any form of transfer please ensure that QLis30 and your
name are included in the payment details.

Best Wishes,


Geoff


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[Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Davide Santachiara
Dear Rich,

I would like to congratulate for this great job

Regards

Davide

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Inviato: domenica 10 agosto 2014 20:47
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Oggetto: [Ql-Users] SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

Thanks to some sterling work by tcat to further develop the automatic
conversion tool, the first version of the SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference Manual
is now online
at:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html

JOBS to do - volunteers are required, as I will not have time for this -
it is now going to be a community project

If you don't come forward with changes, then they are unlikely to be done!

a) Write a home page to form the main link to the manual
b) Improve CSS and layout
c) Some more work on the conversion tool to handle the non-English
characters - especially needed for Appendix 8 and 9.
d) tcat to add the latest version conversion tool source to the forum for
comments / changes to be suggested and made - you might spot more ways in
which it can be improved to reduce the amount of manual effort needed.
e) Volunteers to take ownership of a specific page and hand edit it to
improve the layout - remove some of the line breaks for example in each
paragraph.

If you download a page to edit the HTML in a WYSIWYG editor, you will need
access to the CSS file:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/css/QLManualSty
le.css

If someone wants to set up some sort of online system where people can edit
pages (eg. a wiki ?) then let me know and I can send a zip with all of the
HTML files.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 dinner - urgent

2014-08-11 Thread p...@zx81.de
I have recently sent money via bank transfer to the uk twice for the cottages I 
used in the holidays. This was free of charge. I needed a IBAN and BIC for 
this. 
Unfortunately the amount transferred isn't very precise as we can only transfer 
euro from here and exchange rate isn't fixed. But this worked ok. 
Kind regards
Paul

> Am 11.08.2014 um 09:38 schrieb jms1 :
> 
> Dear QLis30 Diners
> 
> The problem is that I am not well versed in electronic methods of payment.
> 
> I believe that PayPal will let you transfer money with a credit card,
> but all the information the receiver gets is an email address.
> So perhaps a separate email with the details may be the answer.
> 
> I believe in the UK if you use internet banking you can transfer the money
> direct with little or no charge, using SQLUG bank account sort code and
> account number.
> I can return an email with these details.
> 
> Other methods by the banks seem to incur a charge more than the value of the
> dinner!
> 
> I would be pleased if somebody who uses these methods could advise on the best
> methods.
> 
> John Sadler
> 
> On 2014-08-10 19:25, Geoff Wicks wrote: transfer mo
>> The QLis30 workshop dinner will be held on Friday 10th October in the
>> Holiday Inn, 132 Corstorphine Road, Edinburgh, EH12 6UA.
>> 
>> The Holiday Inn is about 2 km from the QLis30 workshop venue in the
>> direction of the city centre. It is near the Edinburgh Zoo and is
>> served by the airport bus.
>> 
>> www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9431159,-3.266964,16z
>> 
>> The room is booked from 19.00 to 23.00 and the final menu is still to
>> be decided, but it will have a Scottish theme.
>> 
>> SPECIAL DIETARY NEEDS
>> 
>> Please inform us of any special dietary needs, including vegetarian,
>> when booking as we have to inform the Holiday Inn in advance.
>> 
>> The cost is £25 for a three course meal plus coffee. As the Holiday
>> Inn requires payment in full a month in advance all bookings must be
>> in and fully paid by the end of August.
>> 
>> PAYMENT METHODS
>> 
>> For obvious security reasons we are unable to put bank account and
>> personal contact details online and would ask you to use one of the
>> following procedures.
>> 
>> 1: Payment by cheque for £25 made out to SQLUG and sent to John
>> Sadler. For John's contact details please use the email link on the
>> SQLUG website:
>> 
>> www.jms1.supanet.com/SQLUG/intro.htm
>> 
>> 2: Payment by PaYPaL. Quanta has kindly agreed to allow payment via
>> their PayPal account. This may be the cheapest way for non-UK-ers to
>> pay.
>> 
>> There is a charge for using PayPal and, for foreign currency users,
>> exchange and transfer costs.
>> 
>> UK users should pay £26 and non UK users £28.
>> 
>> For details of how to pay via the PayPal website please contact
>> Quanta's treasurer via their website link:
>> 
>> www.quanta.org.uk
>> 
>> If paying by any form of transfer please ensure that QLis30 and your
>> name are included in the payment details.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 dinner - urgent

2014-08-11 Thread Derek Stewart

Hi John,

Can you post a menu for the dinner.

Is there any arranged for Saturday night.

Regards,

Derek

On 11/08/14 08:38, jms1 wrote:

Dear QLis30 Diners

The problem is that I am not well versed in electronic methods of payment.

I believe that PayPal will let you transfer money with a credit card,
but all the information the receiver gets is an email address.
So perhaps a separate email with the details may be the answer.

I believe in the UK if you use internet banking you can transfer the money
direct with little or no charge, using SQLUG bank account sort code and
account number.
I can return an email with these details.

Other methods by the banks seem to incur a charge more than the value of
the
dinner!

I would be pleased if somebody who uses these methods could advise on
the best
methods.

John Sadler

On 2014-08-10 19:25, Geoff Wicks wrote: transfer mo

The QLis30 workshop dinner will be held on Friday 10th October in the
Holiday Inn, 132 Corstorphine Road, Edinburgh, EH12 6UA.

The Holiday Inn is about 2 km from the QLis30 workshop venue in the
direction of the city centre. It is near the Edinburgh Zoo and is
served by the airport bus.

www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9431159,-3.266964,16z

The room is booked from 19.00 to 23.00 and the final menu is still to
be decided, but it will have a Scottish theme.

SPECIAL DIETARY NEEDS

Please inform us of any special dietary needs, including vegetarian,
when booking as we have to inform the Holiday Inn in advance.

The cost is £25 for a three course meal plus coffee. As the Holiday
Inn requires payment in full a month in advance all bookings must be
in and fully paid by the end of August.

PAYMENT METHODS

For obvious security reasons we are unable to put bank account and
personal contact details online and would ask you to use one of the
following procedures.

1: Payment by cheque for £25 made out to SQLUG and sent to John
Sadler. For John's contact details please use the email link on the
SQLUG website:

www.jms1.supanet.com/SQLUG/intro.htm

2: Payment by PaYPaL. Quanta has kindly agreed to allow payment via
their PayPal account. This may be the cheapest way for non-UK-ers to
pay.

There is a charge for using PayPal and, for foreign currency users,
exchange and transfer costs.

UK users should pay £26 and non UK users £28.

For details of how to pay via the PayPal website please contact
Quanta's treasurer via their website link:

www.quanta.org.uk

If paying by any form of transfer please ensure that QLis30 and your
name are included in the payment details.

Best Wishes,


Geoff


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Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Rich Mellor
Thank you Davide - Thomas Kral will soon upload the latest conversion 
tool to the QL Forum.


Someone needs to look at the CSS and why the page edited by Dilwyn does 
not display correctly on Firefox - see


http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/ForewordDJC.html

compared to

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html

Rich


On 11/08/2014 09:10, Davide Santachiara wrote:

Dear Rich,

I would like to congratulate for this great job

Regards

Davide

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di Rich
Mellor (RWAP)
Inviato: domenica 10 agosto 2014 20:47
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Oggetto: [Ql-Users] SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

Thanks to some sterling work by tcat to further develop the automatic
conversion tool, the first version of the SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference Manual
is now online
at:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html

JOBS to do - volunteers are required, as I will not have time for this -
it is now going to be a community project

If you don't come forward with changes, then they are unlikely to be done!

a) Write a home page to form the main link to the manual
b) Improve CSS and layout
c) Some more work on the conversion tool to handle the non-English
characters - especially needed for Appendix 8 and 9.
d) tcat to add the latest version conversion tool source to the forum for
comments / changes to be suggested and made - you might spot more ways in
which it can be improved to reduce the amount of manual effort needed.
e) Volunteers to take ownership of a specific page and hand edit it to
improve the layout - remove some of the line breaks for example in each
paragraph.

If you download a page to edit the HTML in a WYSIWYG editor, you will need
access to the CSS file:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/css/QLManualSty
le.css

If someone wants to set up some sort of online system where people can edit
pages (eg. a wiki ?) then let me know and I can send a zip with all of the
HTML files.

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
www.sellmyretro.com
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Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Derek Stewart

Hi Rich,

I do not much about CSS,WIKI, HTML...

I was coverting the manual to WORD format in LibreOffice, so that it 
could be converted to HTML or maybe EPUB as well.


Do I stop doing this.

Regards,

Derek

On 11/08/14 09:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

Thank you Davide - Thomas Kral will soon upload the latest conversion
tool to the QL Forum.

Someone needs to look at the CSS and why the page edited by Dilwyn does
not display correctly on Firefox - see

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/ForewordDJC.html


compared to

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html

Rich


On 11/08/2014 09:10, Davide Santachiara wrote:

Dear Rich,

I would like to congratulate for this great job

Regards

Davide

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di Rich
Mellor (RWAP)
Inviato: domenica 10 agosto 2014 20:47
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Oggetto: [Ql-Users] SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

Thanks to some sterling work by tcat to further develop the automatic
conversion tool, the first version of the SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference
Manual
is now online
at:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html


JOBS to do - volunteers are required, as I will not have time for
this -
it is now going to be a community project

If you don't come forward with changes, then they are unlikely to be
done!

a) Write a home page to form the main link to the manual
b) Improve CSS and layout
c) Some more work on the conversion tool to handle the non-English
characters - especially needed for Appendix 8 and 9.
d) tcat to add the latest version conversion tool source to the forum for
comments / changes to be suggested and made - you might spot more ways in
which it can be improved to reduce the amount of manual effort needed.
e) Volunteers to take ownership of a specific page and hand edit it to
improve the layout - remove some of the line breaks for example in each
paragraph.

If you download a page to edit the HTML in a WYSIWYG editor, you will
need
access to the CSS file:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/css/QLManualSty

le.css

If someone wants to set up some sort of online system where people can
edit
pages (eg. a wiki ?) then let me know and I can send a zip with all of
the
HTML files.

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
www.sellmyretro.com
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Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Rich Mellor

Derek,

I don't know the best way forward - it might be useful to take the HTML 
pages and convert them to WORD format, but that would make the document 
much bigger - a lot of the automatic reformatting has already been done, 
as you will have seen.


I would not do much else at the moment until there is some sort of 
discussion as to what people want to make this most useful...


Rich


On 11/08/2014 10:04, Derek Stewart wrote:

Hi Rich,

I do not much about CSS,WIKI, HTML...

I was coverting the manual to WORD format in LibreOffice, so that it 
could be converted to HTML or maybe EPUB as well.


Do I stop doing this.

Regards,

Derek

On 11/08/14 09:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

Thank you Davide - Thomas Kral will soon upload the latest conversion
tool to the QL Forum.

Someone needs to look at the CSS and why the page edited by Dilwyn does
not display correctly on Firefox - see

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/ForewordDJC.html 




compared to

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html 



Rich


On 11/08/2014 09:10, Davide Santachiara wrote:

Dear Rich,

I would like to congratulate for this great job

Regards

Davide

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di 
Rich

Mellor (RWAP)
Inviato: domenica 10 agosto 2014 20:47
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Oggetto: [Ql-Users] SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online 
(HTML)


Thanks to some sterling work by tcat to further develop the automatic
conversion tool, the first version of the SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference
Manual
is now online
at:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html 




JOBS to do - volunteers are required, as I will not have time for
this -
it is now going to be a community project

If you don't come forward with changes, then they are unlikely to be
done!

a) Write a home page to form the main link to the manual
b) Improve CSS and layout
c) Some more work on the conversion tool to handle the non-English
characters - especially needed for Appendix 8 and 9.
d) tcat to add the latest version conversion tool source to the 
forum for
comments / changes to be suggested and made - you might spot more 
ways in

which it can be improved to reduce the amount of manual effort needed.
e) Volunteers to take ownership of a specific page and hand edit it to
improve the layout - remove some of the line breaks for example in each
paragraph.

If you download a page to edit the HTML in a WYSIWYG editor, you will
need
access to the CSS file:

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/css/QLManualSty 



le.css

If someone wants to set up some sort of online system where people can
edit
pages (eg. a wiki ?) then let me know and I can send a zip with all of
the
HTML files.

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
www.sellmyretro.com
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Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Rich Mellor

On 11/08/2014 11:45, Robert Newson wrote:

On 11/08/14 09:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

Thank you Davide - Thomas Kral will soon upload the latest conversion
tool to the QL Forum.

Someone needs to look at the CSS and why the page edited by Dilwyn does
not display correctly on Firefox - see

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/ForewordDJC.html


compared to

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online/Foreword.html

Rich

Hi,

It's not just Firefox that has the problem, Opera (on my tablet) shows
the same problem - which is the text jumps to the bottom of the page
instead of being displayed to the right of the sidebar.

The difference is in the mark-up of the text itself:

In the original, each line of the paragraphs of the text is followed by
a break line () whereas in DJC's version the only the last line of
the paragraph has the break line tag.

This actually affects the original as well: if I reduce the width of the
window on Firefox to 798 pixels wide the text jumps to the bottom of the
screen.

A suggested "fix" is to change the ccs #mainText to include:

width:66%;

to give:

#mainText {
float:top;
display:inline-block;
border-left:2px solid #000;
padding-left:15px;
padding-bottom:20px;
width:66%;
}

which allows the window to be reduced to 758 pixels before the jump
occurs; a width of 67% jumps at 779 pixels - the problem of setting a
percentage width is that the sidebar is a fixed width (about 254 px) and
as the window is shrunk it takes a larger percentage of it.

A width of 75% jumps at 1018 px - which may be more reasonable as most
people should be able to do 1024 pixels wide.  Alternatively you could
specify it as a width:

width:472px;

will make the text near enough the same as the original with similar
word breaks (511px is the same width, but the line breaks originally
inserted may have been due to a constant, as opposed to proportionally,
width font and they occur else where).  Alternatively, 490px requires a
minimum 768 pixel window, 746px requires a minimum 1024 pixel window,
before the text jumps.

Also, adding:

text-align:justify;

may make the output look neater.

Hope this helps,

Robert


Thanks for the suggestions - hopefully this should now have fixed the 
CSS issues - I managed to do it without specifying a percentage width...


Works here on Safari...

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[Ql-Users] Config tool

2014-08-11 Thread Michael Grunditz
Hi

I am looking for a config tool , menuconfig or the pointer version. I
can't even find the plain config program.

Michael
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Re: [Ql-Users] Config tool

2014-08-11 Thread gdgqler

On 11 Aug 2014, at 16:03, Michael Grunditz  wrote:

> I am looking for a config tool , menuconfig or the pointer version. I
> can't even find the plain config program.

You could try uconfig from my website gwiltprogs.info. uconfig produces config 
blocks for BASIC, C and assembler.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 dinner - urgent

2014-08-11 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/08/2014 09:30, Derek Stewart wrote:

Hi John,

Can you post a menu for the dinner.

Is there any arranged for Saturday night.

Regards,

Derek

This is a good question but we cannot give a definite answer. However 
these are the sample menus we have had:


 Scottish Menus

£25 per person

 Menu 1

 Scotch Broth Soup

 Chicken Balmoral with creamed potato, roasted vegetables & café au lait

 Cranachan

 Freshly Brewed Coffee with tablet


Menu 2

 Scottish Smoked Salmon with caper vinaigrette, brown bread & butter

 Rump of Lamb with Skirlie mash, honey roasted carrot & beans with red 
wine jus


 Scottish Cheese Platter With biscuits & chutney

 Freshly Brewed Coffee with tablet


Menu 3

Haggis Bon Bon with salad laced with pepper sauce

Scottish Fillet of Salmon with crushed new potato cakes & greens served 
with a white wine sauce


Baked Vanilla Cheesecake with wild berry compote

Freshly Brewed Coffee with tablet


We have no plans for the Saturday evening - we thought improvisation on 
the day would probably be the best with no advance payments necessary.


Booking the Holiday Inn has been quite complicated with a lot of work 
for John. We shall be in their Conference Suite and at first they 
expected us to agree to conference terms including a massive insurance 
payment - they had not thought through that it was just a meal. We have 
also spent a lot of time in the last week working out the costs and 
payment methods for non UK-ers. Almost half of my income comes from the 
Netherlands and I know all the tricks the banks try. When my Dutch state 
pension was paid directly into my UK account I was charged £7.50 a 
month. It now comes to my bank account via the Bank of Ireland and no 
charges are involved,



Best Wishes,



Geoff
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Re: [Ql-Users] Config tool

2014-08-11 Thread Michael Grunditz
On 11 August 2014 18:49, gdgqler  wrote:
>
> On 11 Aug 2014, at 16:03, Michael Grunditz  wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a config tool , menuconfig or the pointer version. I
>> can't even find the plain config program.
>
> You could try uconfig from my website gwiltprogs.info. uconfig produces 
> config blocks for BASIC, C and assembler.


Thank you , the "config" program included works.
I am fighting Atari SMSQ/E again , and thought that I might configure
the binary.
It is a PRG file so I think it shouldn't work and it doesn't.

I have also tried to lrespr in a new ptr_gen in order to load a 2.x
wman. No luck , it seems like I cannot load a new ptr_gen over the
existing one in SMSQ.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Config tool

2014-08-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones

I have also tried to lrespr in a new ptr_gen in order to load a 2.x
wman. No luck , it seems like I cannot load a new ptr_gen over the
existing one in SMSQ.

That's correct.

Dilwyn
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Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Norman Dunbar

Evening all,

I've had a quick look on Opera and Firefox - both on Linux, and both 
pages are identical except for the DJC version which has an extra blank 
line after the heading. This is at any screen size by the way.


Opera is version 12.16 for Linux while
Firefox is version 31.0 for Linux.

Looking at the source HTML, I don't see any  tags - in either page. 
The text appears to be a solid block of text with a pair of  tags 
between each "paragraph".


Having seen this line:



I wonder exactly what tool was used to build the HTML page? If it was 
Word, or similar, then all bets on standard HTML are off! ;-)


I may be wrong, but surely this is not valid HTML, it's certainly not 
strict HTML at the very least.


STOP PRESS - ok, who changed the pages when I was in mid rant??? It 
seems that most, but not all of the  pairs have now been 
converted to proper  tags. There are still a couple left though in 
the headings at the top of the page!




Using Opera, and the latest version of the two pages, passing them 
through the W3C html validator gives each page the following 4 errors:


 Line 2, Column 15: there is no attribute "XMLNS:V"


 You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the 
document type you are using does not support that attribute for this 
element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict" 
document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must use the 
"Transitional" document type to get the "target" attribute), or by using 
vendor proprietary extensions such as "marginheight" (this is usually 
fixed by using CSS to achieve the desired effect instead).


 This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in 
the document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no 
supported attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error 
message for further information.


 How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute, 
(Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check that they are both 
allowed in the chosen document type, and/or use CSS instead of this 
attribute. If you received this error when using the  element to 
incorporate flash media in a Web page, see the FAQ item on valid flash.



Line 6, Column 85: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
…nk rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/QLManualStyle.css" 
media="all" />


For the current document, the validator interprets strings like  
according to legacy rules that break the expectations of most authors 
and thus cause confusing warnings and error messages from the validator. 
This interpretation is triggered by HTML 4 documents or other SGML-based 
HTML documents. To avoid the messages, simply remove the "/" character 
in such contexts. NB: If you expect  to be interpreted as an 
XML-compatible "self-closing" tag, then you need to use XHTML or HTML5.


 This warning and related errors may also be caused by an unquoted 
attribute value containing one or more "/". Example: href=http://w3c.org>W3C. In such cases, the solution is to put 
quotation marks around the value.



Line 6, Column 86: character data is not allowed here
…nk rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/QLManualStyle.css" 
media="all" />


You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear. 
Mistakes that can cause this error include:
putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in 
a container element (such as a aragraph), or
forgetting to quote an attribute value (where characters such as "%" and 
"/" are common, but cannot appear without surrounding quotes), or
using XHTML-style self-closing tags (such as ) in HTML 4.01 
or earlier. To fix, remove the extra slash ('/') character. For more 
information about the reasons for this, see Empty elements in SGML, 
HTML, XML, and XHTML.



Line 12, Column 7: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
  

For the current document, the validator interprets strings like  
according to legacy rules that break the expectations of most authors 
and thus cause confusing warnings and error messages from the validator. 
This interpretation is triggered by HTML 4 documents or other SGML-based 
HTML documents. To avoid the messages, simply remove the "/" character 
in such contexts. NB: If you expect  to be interpreted as an 
XML-compatible "self-closing" tag, then you need to use XHTML or HTML5.


 This warning and related errors may also be caused by an unquoted 
attribute value containing one or more "/". Example: href=http://w3c.org>W3C. In such cases, the solution is to put 
quotation marks around the value.



... and the following 2 warnings:

Line 22, Column 12: document type does not allow element "HR" here; 
assuming missing "LI" start-tag



Line 50, Column 12: document type does not allow element "HR" here; 
assuming missing "LI" start-tag





HTH

Cheers,
Norm.


--
Norman Dunbar
Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
Pudsey
West Yor

Re: [Ql-Users] R: SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual - Online (HTML)

2014-08-11 Thread Rich Mellor (RWAP)
> On August 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM Norman Dunbar  wrote:
>
>
> Evening all,
>
> I've had a quick look on Opera and Firefox - both on Linux, and both
> pages are identical except for the DJC version which has an extra blank
> line after the heading. This is at any screen size by the way.
>
> Opera is version 12.16 for Linux while
> Firefox is version 31.0 for Linux.
>
> Looking at the source HTML, I don't see any  tags - in either page.
> The text appears to be a solid block of text with a pair of  tags
> between each "paragraph".
>
> Having seen this line:
>
> 
>
> I wonder exactly what tool was used to build the HTML page? If it was
> Word, or similar, then all bets on standard HTML are off! ;-)
>
> I may be wrong, but surely this is not valid HTML, it's certainly not
> strict HTML at the very least.
>
> STOP PRESS - ok, who changed the pages when I was in mid rant??? It
> seems that most, but not all of the  pairs have now been
> converted to proper  tags. There are still a couple left though in
> the headings at the top of the page!
>
>
>
> Using Opera, and the latest version of the two pages, passing them
> through the W3C html validator gives each page the following 4 errors:
>
> Line 2, Column 15: there is no attribute "XMLNS:V"
> 
>
> You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the
> document type you are using does not support that attribute for this
> element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict"
> document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must use the
> "Transitional" document type to get the "target" attribute), or by using
> vendor proprietary extensions such as "marginheight" (this is usually
> fixed by using CSS to achieve the desired effect instead).
>
> This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in
> the document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no
> supported attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error
> message for further information.
>
> How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute,
> (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check that they are both
> allowed in the chosen document type, and/or use CSS instead of this
> attribute. If you received this error when using the  element to
> incorporate flash media in a Web page, see the FAQ item on valid flash.
>
>
> Line 6, Column 85: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
> …nk rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/QLManualStyle.css"
> media="all" />
>
> For the current document, the validator interprets strings like 
> according to legacy rules that break the expectations of most authors
> and thus cause confusing warnings and error messages from the validator.
> This interpretation is triggered by HTML 4 documents or other SGML-based
> HTML documents. To avoid the messages, simply remove the "/" character
> in such contexts. NB: If you expect  to be interpreted as an
> XML-compatible "self-closing" tag, then you need to use XHTML or HTML5.
>
> This warning and related errors may also be caused by an unquoted
> attribute value containing one or more "/". Example:  href=http://w3c.org>W3C. In such cases, the solution is to put
> quotation marks around the value.
>
>
> Line 6, Column 86: character data is not allowed here
> …nk rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/QLManualStyle.css"
> media="all" />
>
> You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear.
> Mistakes that can cause this error include:
> putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in
> a container element (such as a aragraph), or
> forgetting to quote an attribute value (where characters such as "%" and
> "/" are common, but cannot appear without surrounding quotes), or
> using XHTML-style self-closing tags (such as ) in HTML 4.01
> or earlier. To fix, remove the extra slash ('/') character. For more
> information about the reasons for this, see Empty elements in SGML,
> HTML, XML, and XHTML.
>
>
> Line 12, Column 7: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
> 
>
> For the current document, the validator interprets strings like 
> according to legacy rules that break the expectations of most authors
> and thus cause confusing warnings and error messages from the validator.
> This interpretation is triggered by HTML 4 documents or other SGML-based
> HTML documents. To avoid the messages, simply remove the "/" character
> in such contexts. NB: If you expect  to be interpreted as an
> XML-compatible "self-closing" tag, then you need to use XHTML or HTML5.
>
> This warning and related errors may also be caused by an unquoted
> attribute value containing one or more "/". Example:  href=http://w3c.org>W3C. In such cases, the solution is to put
> quotation marks around the value.
>
>
> ... and the following 2 warnings:
>
> Line 22, Column 12: document type does not allow element "HR" here;
> assuming missing "LI" start-tag
> 
>
> Line 50, Column 12: document type does not allow element "