Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
On 30 Sep 2009, at 17:05, John Gilpin wrote: I don't confess to fully understand what you are suggesting might be the cause of my problem but I am prepared to add an extra window over the whole screen (borderless, I presume) to see if it provides a solution. I will report back later. I think the answer to the problem is better, or perhaps only, solved by using a second channel for the redefinitions of #4. With the code sent to me, and trying it out with QPC2 and Q60 screen sizes 512x256, I found that substituting #5 for #4 after the first definition of #4 allowed the top border to remain. Leaving the redefinitions of #4 unchanged caused the top border to disappear on both QPC2 and Q60. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:54, John Gilpin wrote: Many years ago, I wrote some BASIC code to assist me in putting together a ONE NAME study as part of our genealogical activity. Recently, my trusty Aurora/SGC/QuBide set-ups have been letting me down and I have been advised (as a precaution) to transfer all the programs and data across to QPC2 on my PC. For various reasons, the original BASIC programs are returning various error reports (most of which are the results of not thoroughly thinking the job through whilst writing the code) so I am revisiting the programs from scratch - Thank goodness for all the REM Statements!! :-) The BOOT not only loads various toolkits and sets up some hotkeys etc and then goes on to layout what I have called a GENERAL MENU SCREEN which offers various choices for the rest of the program. This screen, I use over and over again at various stages in the program and consists of various WINDOW statements with BORDER, PAPER, INK, CSIZE parameters being set. I finish up with the whole of the 512x256 available screen being split up by 2 pixel wide BORDERS. This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS - JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3, I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just have various horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I can post the listing if anyone wants to try it out. I use virtually the same boot on Aurora/SGC, Q40/60, SGC and QPC2 v3.34 beta 3 with Windows 98 and Windows XP. Any borders I have work in the same way in all machines. I would have to see the actual code to comment further. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
George, Will send copy of code off list. Thanks for your interest. John G. gdgqler wrote: On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:54, John Gilpin wrote: Many years ago, I wrote some BASIC code to assist me in putting together a ONE NAME study as part of our genealogical activity. Recently, my trusty Aurora/SGC/QuBide set-ups have been letting me down and I have been advised (as a precaution) to transfer all the programs and data across to QPC2 on my PC. For various reasons, the original BASIC programs are returning various error reports (most of which are the results of not thoroughly thinking the job through whilst writing the code) so I am revisiting the programs from scratch - Thank goodness for all the REM Statements!! :-) The BOOT not only loads various toolkits and sets up some hotkeys etc and then goes on to layout what I have called a GENERAL MENU SCREEN which offers various choices for the rest of the program. This screen, I use over and over again at various stages in the program and consists of various WINDOW statements with BORDER, PAPER, INK, CSIZE parameters being set. I finish up with the whole of the 512x256 available screen being split up by 2 pixel wide BORDERS. This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS - JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3, I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just have various horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I can post the listing if anyone wants to try it out. I use virtually the same boot on Aurora/SGC, Q40/60, SGC and QPC2 v3.34 beta 3 with Windows 98 and Windows XP. Any borders I have work in the same way in all machines. I would have to see the actual code to comment further. George___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
Op Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:54:01 +0200 schreef John Gilpin thegilp...@btinternet.com: This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS -JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3,I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just havevarious horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. One reason for this to happen might be found outside the SBasic. If the Resolution and Window Mode as configured in the SMSQ/E startup menu are not equal, then lines of pixels may be lost or doubled because the Resolution is stretched or shrunk to fit the Window Mode. This can also happen if you start up with equal values in windowed mode but switch to full screen with C/S/F12 or QPC_MAXIMIZE. Especially on LCD/laptops this may look ugly. Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
Hi Bob, I have checked the settings in the config screen and both the Resolution and Window Mode are the same - 512 X 384 and it doesn't seem to make any difference whether I run with Window Mode ticked or not, I get the same result. Similarly, when QPC2 opens up it is a small window in the middle of the screen. If I leave this alone, I can still see that the top border is missing OR if I maximise this window using the icon at the top right of the window, then the image fills the screen but still with the top border missing. One thought is that as I have utilised the whole screen 512 X 256 with bordered windows, it may be that the cursor is trying to get to the bottom of the screen and is causing the whole screen to scroll by one line thus pushing the top border off the screen. If this is the case, how would I correct this? Would I have to reduce the bottom window by 1 pixel or by 10 pixels (one character height)? or just play with it and see? Thanks for your suggestions - I'm getting to the stage of making some suggestions for myself but they are not printable!! :-( Regards, John G. (Frustrated!) Bob Spelten wrote: Op Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:54:01 +0200 schreef John Gilpin thegilp...@btinternet.com: This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS -JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3,I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just havevarious horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. One reason for this to happen might be found outside the SBasic. If the Resolution and Window Mode as configured in the SMSQ/E startup menu are not equal, then lines of pixels may be lost or doubled because the Resolution is stretched or shrunk to fit the Window Mode. This can also happen if you start up with equal values in windowed mode but switch to full screen with C/S/F12 or QPC_MAXIMIZE. Especially on LCD/laptops this may look ugly. Bob ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
Op Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:28:46 +0200 schreef John Gilpin thegilp...@btinternet.com: I have checked the settings in the config screen and both the Resolution and Window Mode are the same - 512 X 384 and it doesn't seem to make any difference whether I run with Window Mode ticked or not, I get the same result. Similarly, when QPC2 opens up it is a small window in the middle of the screen. If I leave this alone, I can still see that the top border is missing OR if I maximise this window using the icon at the top right of the window, then the image fills the screen but still with the top border missing. One thought is that as I have utilised the whole screen 512 X 256 with bordered windows, it may be that the cursor is trying to get to the bottom of the screen and is causing the whole screen to scroll by one line thus pushing the top border off the screen. If this is the case, how would I correct this? Would I have to reduce the bottom window by 1 pixel or by 10 pixels (one character height)? or just play with it and see? Thanks for your suggestions - I'm getting to the stage of making some suggestions for myself but they are not printable!! :-( What happens if you increase the SMSQ/E resolution to say 600x480. Then the 512x256 boot windows fall well within the outline. Does the problem still exist then? Unwanted scrolls should not push borders of the window unless the scolling is done in an unseen but overlapping window. John G. (Frustrated!) Don't get frustrated, see it as a chalenge. ;-) Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:54, John Gilpin wrote: Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I am pretty certain that the answer to the problem lies with the way the Pointer Environment works. One of its nicest features is the way it deals with non PE programs. Each PE program has an outline so that, amongst other things, what was underneath it can be redisplayed when it is moved. Each non PE program is given an outline which is effectively the smallest rectangle containing all its windows. If one of these windows is altered then a new outline is defined for it by the PE software. In the BOOT program there is a GENERAL MENU SCREEN which is used over and over again. At each redefinition the outline may change. This will explain why the borders disappear. I am surprised that so much seems to remain! I remember a long time ago looking at one of Simon Goodwin's programs in the Turbo range. In one of these a window was redefined in such a way that, under PE, half the necessary information printed in the earlier definition of the window disappeared. Under the original non PE QL everything put on the screen remained until overwritten. Hence the need for the F4 key to refresh the screen of a programs accessed by CTRL/C (provided, of course, that they had an active cursor otherwise they were lost). The advice for a cure might be to open a second window, which need not be used, over the whole screen. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
Many years ago, I wrote some BASIC code to assist me in putting together a ONE NAME study as part of our genealogical activity. Recently, my trusty Aurora/SGC/QuBide set-ups have been letting me down and I have been advised (as a precaution) to transfer all the programs and data across to QPC2 on my PC. For various reasons, the original BASIC programs are returning various error reports (most of which are the results of not thoroughly thinking the job through whilst writing the code) so I am revisiting the programs from scratch - Thank goodness for all the REM Statements!! :-) The BOOT not only loads various toolkits and sets up some hotkeys etc and then goes on to layout what I have called a GENERAL MENU SCREEN which offers various choices for the rest of the program. This screen, I use over and over again at various stages in the program and consists of various WINDOW statements with BORDER, PAPER, INK, CSIZE parameters being set. I finish up with the whole of the 512x256 available screen being split up by 2 pixel wide BORDERS. This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS - JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3, I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just have various horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I can post the listing if anyone wants to try it out. cheers, John Gilpin. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
A bit of a code would be helpful...;-). Have you investigated any statement, which makes your window looking so different? Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: John Gilpin This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS - JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3, I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just have various horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I can post the listing if anyone wants to try it out. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help with BASIC/SBASIC WINDOWS
Hi Ralf, I will send you the boot file privately - no attachments on the list and it's a bit big to put into an email. Please feel free to put any part of it on the list if you think that others may help. Regards, John Gilpin. Ralf Reköndt wrote: A bit of a code would be helpful...;-). Have you investigated any statement, which makes your window looking so different? Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: John Gilpin This routine runs perfectly on my Aurora/SGC set-ups in either QDOS - JS Roms - or SMSQ but when I run the same boot in QPC2 v3.34 beta 3, I tend to lose the top and both side borders completely and just have various horizontal lines across the screen. My PC is running WINDOWS VISTA home premium with service pack 2. Can anyone suggest what may be happening and offer any advice on how to cure this problem? I can post the listing if anyone wants to try it out. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
