Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Thanks Dilwyn/Dilwynne for "The 'platform' in this context means the computer hardware on which the operating system being used is based. Thus if you are running QPC2 on Windows, the platform would probably be a PC, the operating system Windows running emulated SMSQ/E" ... [Leaving out 'emulations' which I (think I :-) understand] So, is it as I first thought? i.e. SMSQ/E is an operating system? What am I to make of Bill's "Q40,Q60, QPC2, Aurora and SGC" ? and George's "Atari Aurora Gold Card Q40/60 QXL" as "'5 operating systems for SMSQE v 3.12'"? If so, what *platforms* do *they* run on? Still "can't get me 'ead 'round it". :( My thanks to all who have contributed. John in Wales -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 18/09/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
On 20 Sep 2006, at 21:49, hitchies wrote: > > What am I to make of Bill's "Q40,Q60, QPC2, Aurora and SGC" ? > and > George's "Atari Aurora Gold Card Q40/60 QXL" Bill's five are in fact only four. The new arrival to this set of Operating Systems is Aurora which is almost identical with the Gold Card. There is only one operating system for the Q40 and Q60. The Q40/ Q60 operating system is for the Q40 machine and for the Q60 machine. In fact my Q40 and Q60 stand on top of my Super Gold Card machine which has aurora inside and, if it worked, would probably take the aurora operating system. Here the Super Gold Card machine is the platform for the Q40 and Q60. Clear? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
George Gwilt wrote: > Bill's five are in fact only four. The new arrival to this set of > Operating Systems is Aurora which is almost identical with the Gold > Card. Just my few EuroCents here, but I think the Aurora version is really just an added graphics driver, not a new operating system platform. > In fact my Q40 and Q60 stand on top of my Super Gold Card machine > which has aurora inside and, if it worked, would probably take the > aurora operating system. Here the Super Gold Card machine is the > platform for the Q40 and Q60. :-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
> George Gwilt wrote: >> Bill's five are in fact only four. The new arrival to this set of >> Operating Systems is Aurora which is almost identical with the Gold >> Card. > > Just my few EuroCents here, but I think the Aurora version is really > just an added graphics driver, not a new operating system platform. Exactly what are the Aurora version requirements? Does the Aurora SMSQ/E graphics driver work with Gold Card AND Super Gold Card (my MinisQL Aurora has SGC), or is Super Gold Card the only one which would allow the new colour modes to work on Aurora? In terms of platform, the (Super) Gold Card is common to the QL and Aurora, which blurs the lines a little. In terms of obtaining a version of SMSQ/E for your system, you can buy two separate versions though (well, OK, I know you have been giving away copies of the Aurora driver version). Do you consider the QPC2 SMSQ/E to be a separate version in its own right, or in terms of code is it a standard 680x0 implementation interpreted by the 68K emulation? Speaking purely in terms of how many different SMSQ/E's you may need ot consider for your various systems (leaving aside the original discussion about platforms), am I correct in summarising as follows: SMSQ/E for QL + (Super) Gold Cards SMSQ/E for Aurora + (Super) Gold Cards (same as above apart from graphics driver) SMSQ/E for Atari ST-QL systems SMSQ/E for QXL cards SMSQ/E for Q40/Q60 (same or different versions for both machines?) SMSQ/E as in QPC2 Oo-er...the more I think about this the more I relaise what a job people like Marcel and Wolfgang have in keeping all this in good order! -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
>> What am I to make of Bill's "Q40,Q60, QPC2, Aurora and SGC" ? >> and >> George's "Atari Aurora Gold Card Q40/60 QXL" > > Bill's five are in fact only four. The new arrival to this set of > Operating Systems is Aurora which is almost identical with the Gold > Card. There is only one operating system for the Q40 and Q60. The > Q40/ > Q60 operating system is for the Q40 machine and for the Q60 machine. > In fact my Q40 and Q60 stand on top of my Super Gold Card machine > which has aurora inside and, if it worked, would probably take the > aurora operating system. Here the Super Gold Card machine is the > platform for the Q40 and Q60. > > Clear? > > George If Quanta editors are listening, there's probably scope for a little bit of an article here. Seems to be the kind of thing most of us on this list would take for granted, but Quanta's survey experience with finding the number of 128K QLs out there exceeded expectations and their surprise at how quickly their second hand microdrive cartridges went suggests we do need to reinforce the "basics" a bit every now and then. I guess a short article on the variants of SMSQ/E and a bit about their differences might make a good follow up to an article I sent John Gilpin recently. An article about the various SMSQ?E variations might be best coming from those closest to it (programmers and retailers and registrar) but I'm willing to give it a go if nobody else does. Might need someone to check it before publication, that's the only thing. Of interest, John? -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
> > Speaking purely in terms of how many different SMSQ/E's you may need > ot consider for your various systems (leaving aside the original > discussion about platforms), am I correct in summarising as follows: > > SMSQ/E for QL + (Super) Gold Cards > > SMSQ/E for Aurora + (Super) Gold Cards (same as above apart from > graphics driver) > > SMSQ/E for Atari ST-QL systems > > SMSQ/E for QXL cards > > SMSQ/E for Q40/Q60 (same or different versions for both machines?) > > SMSQ/E as in QPC2 > Just to muddy the waters further, you can of course run SMSQ/e for the (Super) Gold Cards on Q-emuLator or QPC2 on a MAC (using WINE I think its called). So that gives us the following hardware platforms: QL QL + Super Gold Card / Gold Card Aurora + Super Gold Card / Gold Card QPC2 + PC QPC2 + MAC (and Windows emulator) Q-emuLator + PC Q-emuLator + MAC Q-emuLator + MAC (and Windows emulator) Q40 Q60 uQLx for Linux QLem for the Atari QLAY for DOS QLAY for Windows QLAY + MAC (and Windows emulator) QLAY for Linux QLAY 2 Atari ST with the hardware QL emulator? Any other platforms I have missed on which we can run QL software ??? We have the following operating systems: QDOS (various versions) Minerva SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card + Aurora SMSQ/e for Q40 / Q60 SMSQ/e for QPC2 Now a SMSQ/e can run on Q-emuLator - the Gold Card version. Has anyone tried the Gold Card + Aurora version? Q-emuLator can now emulate the Q40/Q60 screen modes, however a specially adapted version of SMSQ/e for Q40/Q60 would be needed to overcome the hardware dependent features. By my reckoning, that comes to: 18 platforms 6 operating systems (possibly 7) -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Sorry - I missed off the QXL card (another platform) and SMSQ/e for QXL (another operating system). On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:44:35 +0100, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Speaking purely in terms of how many different SMSQ/E's you may need >> ot consider for your various systems (leaving aside the original >> discussion about platforms), am I correct in summarising as follows: >> >> SMSQ/E for QL + (Super) Gold Cards >> >> SMSQ/E for Aurora + (Super) Gold Cards (same as above apart from >> graphics driver) >> >> SMSQ/E for Atari ST-QL systems >> >> SMSQ/E for QXL cards >> >> SMSQ/E for Q40/Q60 (same or different versions for both machines?) >> >> SMSQ/E as in QPC2 >> > > Just to muddy the waters further, you can of course run SMSQ/e for the > (Super) Gold Cards on Q-emuLator or QPC2 on a MAC (using WINE I think its > called). > > So that gives us the following hardware platforms: > QL > QL + Super Gold Card / Gold Card > Aurora + Super Gold Card / Gold Card > QPC2 + PC > QPC2 + MAC (and Windows emulator) > Q-emuLator + PC > Q-emuLator + MAC > Q-emuLator + MAC (and Windows emulator) > Q40 > Q60 > uQLx for Linux > QLem for the Atari > QLAY for DOS > QLAY for Windows > QLAY + MAC (and Windows emulator) > QLAY for Linux > QLAY 2 > Atari ST with the hardware QL emulator? > > Any other platforms I have missed on which we can run QL software ??? > > We have the following operating systems: > QDOS (various versions) > Minerva > SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card > SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card + Aurora > SMSQ/e for Q40 / Q60 > SMSQ/e for QPC2 > Now a SMSQ/e can run on Q-emuLator - the Gold Card version. Has anyone > tried the Gold Card + Aurora version? > Q-emuLator can now emulate the Q40/Q60 screen modes, however a specially > adapted version of SMSQ/e for Q40/Q60 would be needed to overcome the > hardware dependent features. > > By my reckoning, that comes to: > 18 platforms > 6 operating systems (possibly 7) -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number) > George Gwilt wrote: >> Bill's five are in fact only four. The new arrival to this set of >> Operating Systems is Aurora which is almost identical with the Gold >> Card. > > Just my few EuroCents here, but I think the Aurora version is really > just an added graphics driver, not a new operating system platform. Yep I knew the Aurora was graphically different ( still have one somewhere ) Unfortunately I have little time for computers of any description at present apart from email and Ebay ( buying dubious parts for present old motor bike project ). But retirement looms in a couple of years, so I'm hoping you all continue until the time I can get back to tinkering, meanwhile all my stuff needs upgrading, might get around to that this winter. All the best - Bill ( passive lurker ) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Rich Mellor wites: <> > So that gives us the following hardware platforms: > QL > QL + Super Gold Card / Gold Card > Aurora + Super Gold Card / Gold Card > QPC2 + PC > QPC2 + MAC (and Windows emulator) > Q-emuLator + PC > Q-emuLator + MAC > Q-emuLator + MAC (and Windows emulator) > Q40 > Q60 > uQLx for Linux > QLem for the Atari > QLAY for DOS > QLAY for Windows > QLAY + MAC (and Windows emulator) > QLAY for Linux > QLAY 2 > Atari ST with the hardware QL emulator? > > Any other platforms I have missed on which we can run QL software ??? Atari Mono (IIRC this runs without the hardware modification) Atari hardware emulator 1 (built by that Norwegian computer shop) Atari hardware emulator 2 (Improved version by JMS) QVME, the ultimate hardware "emulator" (actually a graphics card,I seem to recall) for Atari ST, STe, Mega, and possibly others (Ive had all of them, but have now sadly forgotten the details..) QXL I & II Amiga Milan Thor16 etc Futura? OPD ?? > We have the following operating systems: > QDOS (various versions) > Minerva > SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card > SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card + Aurora > SMSQ/e for Q40 / Q60 > SMSQ/e for QPC2 > Now a SMSQ/e can run on Q-emuLator - the Gold Card version. Has anyone > tried the Gold Card + Aurora version? > Q-emuLator can now emulate the Q40/Q60 screen modes, however a specially > adapted version of SMSQ/e for Q40/Q60 would be needed to overcome the > hardware dependent features. QDOS Classic for Amiga and Qx0 freeQDOS or was that PhreeDOKOS ;o) SMSQ/E for Milan > By my reckoning, that comes to: > 18 platforms > 6 operating systems (possibly 7) Too early to start counting! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:32:55 +0100, P Witte wrote: > Rich Mellor wites: > > <> >> So that gives us the following hardware platforms: >> QL >> QL + Super Gold Card / Gold Card >> Aurora + Super Gold Card / Gold Card >> QPC2 + PC >> QPC2 + MAC (and Windows emulator) >> Q-emuLator + PC >> Q-emuLator + MAC >> Q-emuLator + MAC (and Windows emulator) >> Q40 >> Q60 >> uQLx for Linux >> QLem for the Atari >> QLAY for DOS >> QLAY for Windows >> QLAY + MAC (and Windows emulator) >> QLAY for Linux >> QLAY 2 >> Atari ST with the hardware QL emulator? >> >> Any other platforms I have missed on which we can run QL software ??? > > Atari Mono (IIRC this runs without the hardware modification) > Atari hardware emulator 1 (built by that Norwegian computer shop) > Atari hardware emulator 2 (Improved version by JMS) > QVME, the ultimate hardware "emulator" (actually a graphics card,I seem > to recall) for Atari ST, STe, Mega, and possibly others > (Ive had all of them, but have now sadly forgotten the details..) Great yes I had forgotten that there were 2 Atari emulators even before QVME. I never saw Atari Mono version. > QXL I & II > Amiga > Milan > Thor16 etc > Futura? > OPD OPD was not capable of running QL software as far as I know although it was based on the QL's hardware its operating system was incompatible. Alas there are so few OPDs still around. I know nothing of the Milan. THOR and THOR XVI Futura was never produced. >> We have the following operating systems: >> QDOS (various versions) >> Minerva >> SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card >> SMSQ/e for (Super) Gold Card + Aurora >> SMSQ/e for Q40 / Q60 >> SMSQ/e for QPC2 >> Now a SMSQ/e can run on Q-emuLator - the Gold Card version. Has anyone >> tried the Gold Card + Aurora version? >> Q-emuLator can now emulate the Q40/Q60 screen modes, however a specially >> adapted version of SMSQ/e for Q40/Q60 would be needed to overcome the >> hardware dependent features. > > QDOS Classic for Amiga and Qx0 > freeQDOS or was that PhreeDOKOS ;o) > SMSQ/E for Milan > Ah - I never thought about QDOS Classic (sorry Simon). I don't think freeQDOS ever saw the light. As I say I know nothing about the Milan - is there an SMSQ/e version for it? Do we count SMS for QXL as a separate operating system. If so we should also probably differentiate between the SMSQ/e with colour drivers and SMSQ/e without. What about SMS2 - was that ever released ?? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Dilwyn Jones wrote: > Exactly what are the Aurora version requirements? Does the Aurora > SMSQ/E graphics driver work with Gold Card AND Super Gold Card (my > MinisQL Aurora has SGC), or is Super Gold Card the only one which > would allow the new colour modes to work on Aurora? No idea whether there are any hardware limitations with plain GC. > In terms of platform, the (Super) Gold Card is common to the QL and > Aurora, which blurs the lines a little. In terms of obtaining a > version of SMSQ/E for your system, you can buy two separate versions > though (well, OK, I know you have been giving away copies of the > Aurora driver version). Not only copies, the sources for the Aurora driver are freely available now. > Do you consider the QPC2 SMSQ/E to be a separate version in its own > right, or in terms of code is it a standard 680x0 implementation > interpreted by the 68K emulation? Not sure what you exactly mean here. But QPC2's SMSQ/E is definitely a separate version in its own, as most device drivers are QPC specific. > Speaking purely in terms of how many different SMSQ/E's you may need > ot consider for your various systems (leaving aside the original > discussion about platforms), am I correct in summarising as follows: All in all that looks correct. Though there were some other more minor versions, the ByteBox for example. But only a handful of people have probably ever seen that one. > SMSQ/E for Q40/Q60 (same or different versions for both machines?) Same. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Op Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:23:14 +0200 schreef Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In terms of platform, the (Super) Gold Card is common to the QL and > Aurora, which blurs the lines a little. In terms of obtaining a > version of SMSQ/E for your system, When the Aurora came out there was a patch program to link the graphics driver into the then current version of SMSQ/E but very soon the new versions of SMSQ_GOLD included this driver. So only one version is needed for QL and Aurora with GC or SGC. But only Aurora & SGC will exploit the higher resolutions. According to the Aurora manual the GC can only be used in the standard resolutions. This will bring down the number of OS's a bit. Now A Question. When running SMSQ/E on a QXL in high colour mode, this takes up a lot of extra memory and is very slow in screen operations. The Aurora suffers less from this compared to running in mode 4. Would a QXL mode 256 option give back some memory and speed? Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Bob Spelten scripsit:: > Now A Question. > When running SMSQ/E on a QXL in high colour mode, this takes up a lot of > extra memory and is very slow in screen operations. The Aurora suffers > less from this compared to running in mode 4. > Would a QXL mode 256 option give back some memory and speed? If the screen I/O are compressed to be aware of mode 256, I would say yes (passing 1 byte instead of 2 is still a good bandwith's gain, as well as needing less memory for the screen map) But you need the PC-program to be aware of that mode. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
Bob Spelten wrote: > When running SMSQ/E on a QXL in high colour mode, this takes up a lot of > extra memory and is very slow in screen operations. The Aurora suffers > less from this compared to running in mode 4. > Would a QXL mode 256 option give back some memory and speed? Probably. Actually I thought about that, too, but after a brief look at the protocol and the PC side of things I decided that I won't touch that code with a long stick. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
On 24 Sep 2006, at 12:07, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > > Just my few EuroCents here, but I think the Aurora version is really > just an added graphics driver, not a new operating system platform. Quite true. But it IS an operating system is it not? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, P Witte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Rich Mellor wites: > ><> >> So that gives us the following hardware platforms: Thanks Rich and Per. This would make an excellent article for either QL Today ( "Toady"), and Quanta magazine. Are you able to write this up, Rich ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:14:09 +0100, Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, P Witte > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> Rich Mellor wites: >> >> <> >>> So that gives us the following hardware platforms: > > Thanks Rich and Per. > > This would make an excellent article for either QL Today ( "Toady"), and > Quanta magazine. > > Are you able to write this up, Rich ? > I thought Dilwyn was writing this article?? We have still not come up with the absolute list have we - certainly we need some more information on the more obscure platforms. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Platforms & OSs (was month number)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:14:09 +0100, Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, P Witte >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >>> Rich Mellor wites: >>> >>> <> So that gives us the following hardware platforms: >> >> Thanks Rich and Per. >> >> This would make an excellent article for either QL Today ( "Toady"), and >> Quanta magazine. >> >> Are you able to write this up, Rich ? >> > >I thought Dilwyn was writing this article?? > >We have still not come up with the absolute list have we - certainly we >need some more information on the more obscure platforms. OK. Did he offer earlier ... ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
