Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
On 15/05/2014 17:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote: One thing I would appreciate from Quanta is if someone would be prepared to say a few words about electronic participation in meetings. I am not thinking in terms of the technical details, but more how it has turned out in practice. I have participated in a Quanta committee meeting by speakerphone group call, and the AGM this year by a Skype group call. The speakerphone meeting was less than perfect, because although those of us on phones could hear each other well, we could not hear some of those at the meeting itself. The committee agreed to look into obtaining a purpose made phone, which has more than one microphone to pick up those around the table a bit better, although I don't know if one was purchased or not. The telephone conference call was via an 0845 dial-in. We were told to dial in about 5 minutes before the meeting started, which gave enough time to identify ourselves and make sure we could hear each other. This type of call can become difficult if several people talk across each other, so one person (e.g. Chairman) needs to be in charge and ensure people speak in turn and invite comments from those on a phone, as it is easier to catch Chairman's eye in the room if you want to speak - telephone guests potentially at a disadvantage, although in our case Sarah handled this very well. The disadvantage with this is that it is after all an 0845 number based system, which would be more costly for anyone overseas. For this year's AGM, we used the Skype group call system (audio only). Three of us (Lee Privett, Dave Park and myself) participated - there was no video but I think we were identified by our avatars on screen at the AGM. Like the conference call, we connected about 5 minutes beforehand to set up, identify ourselves, check volumes etc. Keith (webmaster) had provided us with the Quanta Skype name beforehand, which we put in the contacts list and used to originate the call. I don't know if it was the same at the AGM end, but when someone on Skype talked, there was an on-screen highlight which helped identify who was speaking. Call quality was great, and as I was using a headset (rather than telephone handset) it let me operate the computer at the same time, e.g. if I needed to look something up during the discussion. If we couldn't hear someone at the meeting, we were able to ask and have Chairman repeat what was said. We had done a quick test call that morning as it was new to some of us, but it all seemed to work first time, apart from me plugging my earphone and microphone plus the wrong way round on my PC for a few seconds (age, eyesight...) With both methods, the participant dialled in rather than someone at the meeting calling us. With regards to bandwidth - the connections are made at the server end and just the one two-way link to the server, so you _do not_ need a separate bandwidth for each participant, luckily, or it might put a strain on the broadband if you have a fairly slow connection at the venue - the fact it['s all joined together at the server end means it should work even on fairly slow broadband at the venue. Up to 10 participants can take part in a Skype _video_ group call (5 recommended for best quality). Callers can be on Windows, Mac, or Xbox One (if you have Xbox 1 Live Gold membership, whatever that is) (more platforms planned - Skype website says mobiles and tablets etc planned soon too). Skype website says up to 25 people on a group _audio_ call. Hope that helps... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Actually I was hoping to get this information in October, but never mind. This is about the level I was thinking of - more how it works out in practice than technical information - although some technical information would be welcome. I must say it must be quite difficult for the chairman to run the meeting. I know from when I chaired the AGM you rely heavily on visual contact to assess the mood of the meeting and who would like to speak. As Lee added - thanks to Lee also for his reply - there are protocol questions to watch. I get the impression from what you and Lee write that there were teething problems, but no more than you would expect from a first attempt. When we put electronic participation in meetings in the constitution I envisaged it as being a provision for sometime in the future, and I never expected it to be used so soon. No doubt a compliment to Keith's technical abilities, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
I joined the AGM about five minutes beforehand to test everything was working as it should be. I was sitting in my hastily built shed next to the newly adopted chickens which everyone apparently could hear. Technically, I was using an iPad, communication via Skype and about 30 metres away from the wifi in the house through two brick walls. It seem to work fine, clear voices and nice to put a sound to a never seen in person Dave from across the pond. I didn't notice any major delays other than natural tendencies to be polite when the chairman was asking questions. Something to bear in mind for Edinburgh is a protocol when a. Someone wants to say something and b. Announcing who they are. Otherwise I think the the electronic AGM went very well. On 15 May 2014 17:16, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: One thing I would appreciate from Quanta is if someone would be prepared to say a few words about electronic participation in meetings. I am not thinking in terms of the technical details, but more how it has turned out in practice. I have participated in a Quanta committee meeting by speakerphone group call, and the AGM this year by a Skype group call. The speakerphone meeting was less than perfect, because although those of us on phones could hear each other well, we could not hear some of those at the meeting itself. The committee agreed to look into obtaining a purpose made phone, which has more than one microphone to pick up those around the table a bit better, although I don't know if one was purchased or not. The telephone conference call was via an 0845 dial-in. We were told to dial in about 5 minutes before the meeting started, which gave enough time to identify ourselves and make sure we could hear each other. This type of call can become difficult if several people talk across each other, so one person (e.g. Chairman) needs to be in charge and ensure people speak in turn and invite comments from those on a phone, as it is easier to catch Chairman's eye in the room if you want to speak - telephone guests potentially at a disadvantage, although in our case Sarah handled this very well. The disadvantage with this is that it is after all an 0845 number based system, which would be more costly for anyone overseas. For this year's AGM, we used the Skype group call system (audio only). Three of us (Lee Privett, Dave Park and myself) participated - there was no video but I think we were identified by our avatars on screen at the AGM. Like the conference call, we connected about 5 minutes beforehand to set up, identify ourselves, check volumes etc. Keith (webmaster) had provided us with the Quanta Skype name beforehand, which we put in the contacts list and used to originate the call. I don't know if it was the same at the AGM end, but when someone on Skype talked, there was an on-screen highlight which helped identify who was speaking. Call quality was great, and as I was using a headset (rather than telephone handset) it let me operate the computer at the same time, e.g. if I needed to look something up during the discussion. If we couldn't hear someone at the meeting, we were able to ask and have Chairman repeat what was said. We had done a quick test call that morning as it was new to some of us, but it all seemed to work first time, apart from me plugging my earphone and microphone plus the wrong way round on my PC for a few seconds (age, eyesight...) With both methods, the participant dialled in rather than someone at the meeting calling us. With regards to bandwidth - the connections are made at the server end and just the one two-way link to the server, so you _do not_ need a separate bandwidth for each participant, luckily, or it might put a strain on the broadband if you have a fairly slow connection at the venue - the fact it['s all joined together at the server end means it should work even on fairly slow broadband at the venue. Up to 10 participants can take part in a Skype _video_ group call (5 recommended for best quality). Callers can be on Windows, Mac, or Xbox One (if you have Xbox 1 Live Gold membership, whatever that is) (more platforms planned - Skype website says mobiles and tablets etc planned soon too). Skype website says up to 25 people on a group _audio_ call. Hope that helps... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
Hi John, I had more fun personally at the 2013 event, but that was because we were trying to get speed comparisons between different emulators which started out because I was having such problems running the SMSQmulator compared to uQLx on a Raspberry Pi. I hope this works Ok now! Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
On 14/05/2014 20:48, John Gilpin wrote: Geoff, I have been following your ramblings about the QL-is-30 Workshop with more than a little interest (but not much!!) Your comments regarding the help and interest for this event coming only from overseas, leads me to see that you have experienced the same apathetic response that the current QUANTA committee members have, for many years, experienced from the South-UK QLers (and especially QUANTA UK Members). Although the percentage attendance of the UK QUANTA members at QUANTA events during the last decade has been unacceptably low, it is far greater than the attendance of the OS QUANTA Members (which one can count on one had with half the digits removed!). It will be interesting to see what the attendance is like in Edinburgh from both UK and OS. So far of the names I have 9 are overseas and 8 UK. (I believe there are two more overseas but I do not have their names.) All told 6 countries should be represented. Those of you who have spent some time as a QL Trader have the benefit of a wider address book of QLers than QUANTA has (their address book is limited to UK and OS members past and present), which gives you the edge when it comes to filling the void left by the apathetic UK QLers. All the OS QUANTA members, have been invited (like the UK ones) to every event that QUANTA has put on, be it a Workshop (one or two days in length), Show or any other name that you would like to call it (QUANTA has consistently called it a workshop on the grounds that it is the attendees who make it into whatever type of event they want, when (and if) they get there.) In practice I don't think Quanta shows have been workshops for about 10 years, with the exception of QLis21 and possibly 2011 when we had Quanta issues (constitution and subscription). You have also identified that when QUANTA were able to attract UK people with any QL savvy to a QUANTA event, then we used them to give a talk or demonstration (and under the direction of a previous QUANTA Chairman, contributed financially to their out-of-pocket expenses - a move which has been greatly criticised as QUANTA Workshops/Annual General Meetings cost too much to put on). But then, QUANTA has got both money that it is not afraid to spend (since no one else seems interested in using it) and some equipment which you are welcome to use if you need it (Projector Screen for presentations). Very good policy and much appreciated. I was going to make use of it when I did the activities for Solihull in 2007, but I think my speakers all said it was not necessary. As far as I know we don't need to use any of Quanta's equipment, although I was prepared to request the projector. The church are being generous in letting us use their facilities. One thing I would appreciate from Quanta is if someone would be prepared to say a few words about electronic participation in meetings. I am not thinking in terms of the technical details, but more how it has turned out in practice. It is also fair to say that the current QUANTA Committee have been in service for many years unlike some other EX-QUANTA committee members who, when times got tough, backed away from their volunteered responsibilities, or resigned from QUANTA altogether! And finally, you seem to have accepted that one needs local people on the ground to investigate the availability of suitable venues for an event such as QL-is-30 and expecting people to travel hundreds of miles to do this is a complete waste of time, effort and money. So we wish George Gwilt, John Sadler and all the QUANTA SQLUG Subgroup all the best in their efforts to host the QL-is-30 event in 2014. See you all there. :-) Indeed George and John have not yet been given all the credit they have deserved, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
Are geoff. George and John the three that will receive my promised QL-SDs? If I get your Adresses I can already send them to you (or whoever will receive them) . They are supposed to be used by you. They are not supposed to be prices for lottery (or however this should be called) Kind regards Liebe Grüße Paul Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com schrieb: On 14/05/2014 20:48, John Gilpin wrote: Geoff, I have been following your ramblings about the QL-is-30 Workshop with more than a little interest (but not much!!) Your comments regarding the help and interest for this event coming only from overseas, leads me to see that you have experienced the same apathetic response that the current QUANTA committee members have, for many years, experienced from the South-UK QLers (and especially QUANTA UK Members). Although the percentage attendance of the UK QUANTA members at QUANTA events during the last decade has been unacceptably low, it is far greater than the attendance of the OS QUANTA Members (which one can count on one had with half the digits removed!). It will be interesting to see what the attendance is like in Edinburgh from both UK and OS. So far of the names I have 9 are overseas and 8 UK. (I believe there are two more overseas but I do not have their names.) All told 6 countries should be represented. Those of you who have spent some time as a QL Trader have the benefit of a wider address book of QLers than QUANTA has (their address book is limited to UK and OS members past and present), which gives you the edge when it comes to filling the void left by the apathetic UK QLers. All the OS QUANTA members, have been invited (like the UK ones) to every event that QUANTA has put on, be it a Workshop (one or two days in length), Show or any other name that you would like to call it (QUANTA has consistently called it a workshop on the grounds that it is the attendees who make it into whatever type of event they want, when (and if) they get there.) In practice I don't think Quanta shows have been workshops for about 10 years, with the exception of QLis21 and possibly 2011 when we had Quanta issues (constitution and subscription). You have also identified that when QUANTA were able to attract UK people with any QL savvy to a QUANTA event, then we used them to give a talk or demonstration (and under the direction of a previous QUANTA Chairman, contributed financially to their out-of-pocket expenses - a move which has been greatly criticised as QUANTA Workshops/Annual General Meetings cost too much to put on). But then, QUANTA has got both money that it is not afraid to spend (since no one else seems interested in using it) and some equipment which you are welcome to use if you need it (Projector Screen for presentations). Very good policy and much appreciated. I was going to make use of it when I did the activities for Solihull in 2007, but I think my speakers all said it was not necessary. As far as I know we don't need to use any of Quanta's equipment, although I was prepared to request the projector. The church are being generous in letting us use their facilities. One thing I would appreciate from Quanta is if someone would be prepared to say a few words about electronic participation in meetings. I am not thinking in terms of the technical details, but more how it has turned out in practice. It is also fair to say that the current QUANTA Committee have been in service for many years unlike some other EX-QUANTA committee members who, when times got tough, backed away from their volunteered responsibilities, or resigned from QUANTA altogether! And finally, you seem to have accepted that one needs local people on the ground to investigate the availability of suitable venues for an event such as QL-is-30 and expecting people to travel hundreds of miles to do this is a complete waste of time, effort and money. So we wish George Gwilt, John Sadler and all the QUANTA SQLUG Subgroup all the best in their efforts to host the QL-is-30 event in 2014. See you all there. :-) Indeed George and John have not yet been given all the credit they have deserved, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
One thing I would appreciate from Quanta is if someone would be prepared to say a few words about electronic participation in meetings. I am not thinking in terms of the technical details, but more how it has turned out in practice. I have participated in a Quanta committee meeting by speakerphone group call, and the AGM this year by a Skype group call. The speakerphone meeting was less than perfect, because although those of us on phones could hear each other well, we could not hear some of those at the meeting itself. The committee agreed to look into obtaining a purpose made phone, which has more than one microphone to pick up those around the table a bit better, although I don't know if one was purchased or not. The telephone conference call was via an 0845 dial-in. We were told to dial in about 5 minutes before the meeting started, which gave enough time to identify ourselves and make sure we could hear each other. This type of call can become difficult if several people talk across each other, so one person (e.g. Chairman) needs to be in charge and ensure people speak in turn and invite comments from those on a phone, as it is easier to catch Chairman's eye in the room if you want to speak - telephone guests potentially at a disadvantage, although in our case Sarah handled this very well. The disadvantage with this is that it is after all an 0845 number based system, which would be more costly for anyone overseas. For this year's AGM, we used the Skype group call system (audio only). Three of us (Lee Privett, Dave Park and myself) participated - there was no video but I think we were identified by our avatars on screen at the AGM. Like the conference call, we connected about 5 minutes beforehand to set up, identify ourselves, check volumes etc. Keith (webmaster) had provided us with the Quanta Skype name beforehand, which we put in the contacts list and used to originate the call. I don't know if it was the same at the AGM end, but when someone on Skype talked, there was an on-screen highlight which helped identify who was speaking. Call quality was great, and as I was using a headset (rather than telephone handset) it let me operate the computer at the same time, e.g. if I needed to look something up during the discussion. If we couldn't hear someone at the meeting, we were able to ask and have Chairman repeat what was said. We had done a quick test call that morning as it was new to some of us, but it all seemed to work first time, apart from me plugging my earphone and microphone plus the wrong way round on my PC for a few seconds (age, eyesight...) With both methods, the participant dialled in rather than someone at the meeting calling us. With regards to bandwidth - the connections are made at the server end and just the one two-way link to the server, so you _do not_ need a separate bandwidth for each participant, luckily, or it might put a strain on the broadband if you have a fairly slow connection at the venue - the fact it['s all joined together at the server end means it should work even on fairly slow broadband at the venue. Up to 10 participants can take part in a Skype _video_ group call (5 recommended for best quality). Callers can be on Windows, Mac, or Xbox One (if you have Xbox 1 Live Gold membership, whatever that is) (more platforms planned - Skype website says mobiles and tablets etc planned soon too). Skype website says up to 25 people on a group _audio_ call. Hope that helps... Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
On 14/05/2014 19:10, j...@sinoda.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi Geoff, Let me say that the 2012 Quanta AGM was when I decided that I would never go to another Quanta show. It was a two day event with nothing whatsoever planned on the Saturday. I spent most of the time wondering whether I could quickly devise a presentation and not having my original material with me eventually gave up and left the show early. (My QL project at the time was the Just Words! QL mapping page that I had felt was too much of a minority interest for a show presentation.) Then I am that minority. Of the top of my head, I would be interested in how you converted the mapping data, what zero point did you use, had you thought about pulling in data from the openStreetmap project. After that I would be interested in how QWord was written, how to convert other dictionaries, what to look out for when writing for all the different systems, what are the differences, what makes it hard to write are where would you want to see development, what is too far behind and what is way out ahead, To be quite honest I doubt if I could tell you much technically. The mapping data all came from Hugh Rooms and were publically available NASA files. He did not have broadband at the time so I downloaded for him and sent him a CD. The big problem was that they also contained a lot of extraneous material and it was a huge effort to extract this. The only program I found, both QL and PC, that could cope with the file size was Perfection! I converted latitude and longtitude to QL x,y co-ordinates via a short SuperBasic program using Hugh Room's formulae. Any database containing data in the form Lat, Long could be used. I believe one QL has plotted simple maps of airports from publically available data. QWord took several years to write and as new QL possibilities came along they were added. Frankly it is very bulky code and really needs a complete rewrite. The reason you have to have different versions for different languages is that the grids are optimised for maximum word generation, based on the frequency of words in that language. This was information I already had from writing Solvit-Plus. The next day there were two events planned, George Gwilt and Adrian Ives. I was impressed that Quanta managed to get Adrian to the show as his work was the hot topic of the time. Both presentations were badly attended - about half the people present stayed at their tables instead. After his talk Adrian gave a live demonstration at his table. There were just 6 of us interested. I was one! I was really disappointed at the lack of interest in Adrian, given all the effort he had put into the QL. At the end of a show the committee had a post mortem. What was their answer in 2013? A carbon copy of the 2012 event! I had more fun personally at the 2013 event, but that was because we were trying to get speed comparisons between different emulators which started out because I was having such problems running the SMSQmulator compared to uQLx on a Raspberry Pi. Although it is a long way off, what talks/plans have been offered so far? Will there be WiFi and if so what is the bandwidth, especially if you are hoping to have Skype users? Are you going to restrict any WiFi for those Skyping in? Do you want people to set up tethering to MiFis to share out load? Will it be recorded in any way such as film or just written down so the information could be shared with those who cannot attend? A good place to say something about the situation. As far I can see at this stage there are three main areas: HARDWARE will probably dominate and more or less look after itself. Peter will be there together with some other German hardware specialists. We also hope to have a Skype link to Dave in the USA. SOFTWARE is a bigger problem as it is a bit in the doldrums at the moment. I have had an interesting email from one of the Germans with some thoughts about the present state of QL software and I think these would form a good basis for discussion. I also think we should give some attention to software preservation which has been one of the themes of the last five years. Would there be a place for something on QL Games? I have no one in mind at the moment. Finally if anyone has a software project ongoing we would be glad to hear. COMMUNICATIONS. It is one of my hobby horses at the moment, but I think we could make more effective use of the internet. All being well this will be the first UK event with a presentation by Skype. The problem is that none of the QLis30 organisors has any Skype experience. I think it is my job to put my money where my mouth is and to make learning to use Skype my personal QLis30 project. As far as the WiFi is concerned we do have permission to use this, but I don't know if there are conditions or the nature of the church's connection. At the moment no filming of the event is planned. Should anyone
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
On 15/05/2014 17:12, Paul wrote: Are geoff. George and John the three that will receive my promised QL-SDs? If I get your Adresses I can already send them to you (or whoever will receive them) . They are supposed to be used by you. They are not supposed to be prices for lottery (or however this should be called) Kind regards Liebe Grüße Paul Probably not as I no longer have useable native hardware. Nice offer all the same! Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Just to say that I hope to attend, as long as I can fit in the travelling around work commitments that week. Simon si...@carr.me s.j.c...@qmul.ac.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go!
Hi Geoff, All the Quanta Shows are were all called Workshops. Most Quanta Workshops that I attended in the past had sub themes and interested talks going on. When I used to organise QL/Quanta Workshops, I always had programme of events issued in advance and handed to each attendee. I also tried, make a positive view on the event. Do you have a proposed programme of events. Regards, Derek On 13/05/14 16:39, Geoff Wicks wrote: On 13/05/2014 14:44, pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, we had a little conversation about Geoff's recent post on the German QL forum. In conclusion, we are glad if *everybody* who is interested in the QL, is very welcome at the meeting in Edinburgh. Our hope is that nobbody feels discouraged, in case of limited QL skills. The more QLers come, the better. For one personal example, Paul had no QL skills whatsoever, when we first got in touch. Now he made QL-SD possible. All the best Peter Sorry if I caused some confusion here. Of course everyone is welcome. I was mainly concerned about UK QL-ers who have only known Quanta shows and have rigid ideas about how QL shows should be run. (And that includes Quanta's committee.) Edinburgh is not a show but a workshop. I would hate someone to spend a lot of time and money coming to Edinburgh and then finding the event was not what they were expecting. Frankly the last Quanta show I attended was ghastly. A lot of people sitting at their own table doing their own thing with scarcely any mixing. If that happened at Edinburgh it would destroy the event, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 14/05/2014 08:42, Derek Stewart wrote: Hi Geoff, All the Quanta Shows are were all called Workshops. Most Quanta Workshops that I attended in the past had sub themes and interested talks going on. When I used to organise QL/Quanta Workshops, I always had programme of events issued in advance and handed to each attendee. I also tried, make a positive view on the event. Do you have a proposed programme of events. Regards, Derek Very good point, but you have not organised recent Quanta shows which have slowly deteriorated over the years. In fact I believe you have not organised a Quanta event for well over 10 years. Remember QL2004 and QLis21 and how the broad programme of events were announced in advance. Go to the newspage of my website (www.gwicks.net/justwords.html) to see the republished web pages for the two shows. Sadly scarcely a single idea for the programme of QLis30 has come from the UK, but the Germans have made some helpful suggestions and are offering themselves as presenters, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 13/05/14 14:44:20, pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, we had a little conversation about Geoff's recent post on the German QL forum. In conclusion, we are glad if *everybody* who is interested in the QL, is very welcome at the meeting in Edinburgh. Our hope is that nobbody feels discouraged, in case of limited QL skills. The more QLers come, the better. It is too easy to take the wrong meaning and I apologise if I have misunderstood. Many years ago I was on the Quanta committee. My wife is on the Quanta committee (if ANYONE is willing to be on the committee I would be gratefully as I would like my wife back!) I have attended shows in the UK and Europe (personally the best for me was Munich). I have helped on the AE stall I have enjoyed the most recent shows/talks/AGMs/meeting/gathering/workshops (whatever you want to call them) I do not give talks and so I have spent most of my time either sat at a table, talking to others or listening to the talks. I had missed Geoff's email but had been telephoned by two different QLers to tell me about it, so I have assumed that I am the QLer who is not required. Not that I would feel unwelcome. As I can honestly say I have never met a QLer who has not been welcomed by everyone. I had planned to attend Edinburgh, not to give a talk, but to gain information and learn. However, as I seem to fit all the criteria that Geoff has mentioned, I am happy if it is considered that I am not the target audience for QLis30. If the plan is that everyone must give a talk, as I do not have a talk planned I will not attend, but I still think the show will be fascinating and I wish you all the best. Regards John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 14/05/2014 12:31, j...@sinoda.demon.co.uk wrote: I had planned to attend Edinburgh, not to give a talk, but to gain information and learn. However, as I seem to fit all the criteria that Geoff has mentioned, I am happy if it is considered that I am not the target audience for QLis30. If the plan is that everyone must give a talk, as I do not have a talk planned I will not attend, but I still think the show will be fascinating and I wish you all the best. You are the sort of person we want at Edinburgh. You don't have to give a talk, but you have something valuable to contribute. I just don't think there is a role for AE at the event. Let me say that the 2012 Quanta AGM was when I decided that I would never go to another Quanta show. It was a two day event with nothing whatsoever planned on the Saturday. I spent most of the time wondering whether I could quickly devise a presentation and not having my original material with me eventually gave up and left the show early. (My QL project at the time was the Just Words! QL mapping page that I had felt was too much of a minority interest for a show presentation.) The next day there were two events planned, George Gwilt and Adrian Ives. I was impressed that Quanta managed to get Adrian to the show as his work was the hot topic of the time. Both presentations were badly attended - about half the people present stayed at their tables instead. After his talk Adrian gave a live demonstration at his table. There were just 6 of us interested. At the end of a show the committee had a post mortem. What was their answer in 2013? A carbon copy of the 2012 event! Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Anyhow, that said, let's focus on the event before us! We have a freshly organized event by freshly enthused people with a fresh international audience. This requires a fresh approach. :) The AE stall is a non-starter for a couple of reasons: one, most people will be quite capable of repairing their own QLs, and 2: if someone DID bring a sick QL and ask for help, I am sure they would get it - without the formality and wasted space and effort of a formal table. I know several people have offered talks, and I am one of them. I am working on a series of topics, and a small slideshow. I will be showing it in proto form at the Italian get together that is happening this weekend, and I will keep it updated as things develop. I'm sure by the Edinburgh show, I will have quite a lot to show. Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of weeks. I got surprised in a dark alleyway by a bout of pneumonia and it almost had me. I'm getting better now and will be posting more regularly. Dave On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.comwrote: On 14/05/2014 12:31, j...@sinoda.demon.co.uk wrote: I had planned to attend Edinburgh, not to give a talk, but to gain information and learn. However, as I seem to fit all the criteria that Geoff has mentioned, I am happy if it is considered that I am not the target audience for QLis30. If the plan is that everyone must give a talk, as I do not have a talk planned I will not attend, but I still think the show will be fascinating and I wish you all the best. You are the sort of person we want at Edinburgh. You don't have to give a talk, but you have something valuable to contribute. I just don't think there is a role for AE at the event. Let me say that the 2012 Quanta AGM was when I decided that I would never go to another Quanta show. It was a two day event with nothing whatsoever planned on the Saturday. I spent most of the time wondering whether I could quickly devise a presentation and not having my original material with me eventually gave up and left the show early. (My QL project at the time was the Just Words! QL mapping page that I had felt was too much of a minority interest for a show presentation.) The next day there were two events planned, George Gwilt and Adrian Ives. I was impressed that Quanta managed to get Adrian to the show as his work was the hot topic of the time. Both presentations were badly attended - about half the people present stayed at their tables instead. After his talk Adrian gave a live demonstration at his table. There were just 6 of us interested. At the end of a show the committee had a post mortem. What was their answer in 2013? A carbon copy of the 2012 event! Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Geoff, You are the sort of person we want at Edinburgh. In that case I will be there. You don't have to give a talk, but you have something valuable to contribute. I am not sure I have anything to contribute, but I have lots of questions, most of which I am too embarrassed to ask. I just don't think there is a role for AE at the event. I promise not to bring my scope. Let me say that the 2012 Quanta AGM was when I decided that I would never go to another Quanta show. It was a two day event with nothing whatsoever planned on the Saturday. I spent most of the time wondering whether I could quickly devise a presentation and not having my original material with me eventually gave up and left the show early. (My QL project at the time was the Just Words! QL mapping page that I had felt was too much of a minority interest for a show presentation.) Then I am that minority. Of the top of my head, I would be interested in how you converted the mapping data, what zero point did you use, had you thought about pulling in data from the openStreetmap project. After that I would be interested in how QWord was written, how to convert other dictionaries, what to look out for when writing for all the different systems, what are the differences, what makes it hard to write are where would you want to see development, what is too far behind and what is way out ahead, The next day there were two events planned, George Gwilt and Adrian Ives. I was impressed that Quanta managed to get Adrian to the show as his work was the hot topic of the time. Both presentations were badly attended - about half the people present stayed at their tables instead. After his talk Adrian gave a live demonstration at his table. There were just 6 of us interested. I was one! At the end of a show the committee had a post mortem. What was their answer in 2013? A carbon copy of the 2012 event! I had more fun personally at the 2013 event, but that was because we were trying to get speed comparisons between different emulators which started out because I was having such problems running the SMSQmulator compared to uQLx on a Raspberry Pi. Although it is a long way off, what talks/plans have been offered so far? Will there be WiFi and if so what is the bandwidth, especially if you are hoping to have Skype users? Are you going to restrict any WiFi for those Skyping in? Do you want people to set up tethering to MiFis to share out load? Will it be recorded in any way such as film or just written down so the information could be shared with those who cannot attend? Regards John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi, we had a little conversation about Geoff's recent post on the German QL forum. In conclusion, we are glad if *everybody* who is interested in the QL, is very welcome at the meeting in Edinburgh. Our hope is that nobbody feels discouraged, in case of limited QL skills. The more QLers come, the better. For one personal example, Paul had no QL skills whatsoever, when we first got in touch. Now he made QL-SD possible. All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 13/05/2014 14:44, pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, we had a little conversation about Geoff's recent post on the German QL forum. In conclusion, we are glad if *everybody* who is interested in the QL, is very welcome at the meeting in Edinburgh. Our hope is that nobbody feels discouraged, in case of limited QL skills. The more QLers come, the better. For one personal example, Paul had no QL skills whatsoever, when we first got in touch. Now he made QL-SD possible. All the best Peter Sorry if I caused some confusion here. Of course everyone is welcome. I was mainly concerned about UK QL-ers who have only known Quanta shows and have rigid ideas about how QL shows should be run. (And that includes Quanta's committee.) Edinburgh is not a show but a workshop. I would hate someone to spend a lot of time and money coming to Edinburgh and then finding the event was not what they were expecting. Frankly the last Quanta show I attended was ghastly. A lot of people sitting at their own table doing their own thing with scarcely any mixing. If that happened at Edinburgh it would destroy the event, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Geoff Wicks wrote: On 13/05/2014 14:44, pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, we had a little conversation about Geoff's recent post on the German QL forum. In conclusion, we are glad if *everybody* who is interested in the QL, is very welcome at the meeting in Edinburgh. Our hope is that nobbody feels discouraged, in case of limited QL skills. The more QLers come, the better. For one personal example, Paul had no QL skills whatsoever, when we first got in touch. Now he made QL-SD possible. All the best Peter Sorry if I caused some confusion here. Of course everyone is welcome. I was mainly concerned about UK QL-ers who have only known Quanta shows and have rigid ideas about how QL shows should be run. (And that includes Quanta's committee.) Edinburgh is not a show but a workshop. I would hate someone to spend a lot of time and money coming to Edinburgh and then finding the event was not what they were expecting. Frankly the last Quanta show I attended was ghastly. A lot of people sitting at their own table doing their own thing with scarcely any mixing. If that happened at Edinburgh it would destroy the event, Best wishes, Geoff Many thanks for your clarification, Geoff. And for helping to make this event possible! :-) By the way, five German QLers (including myself) have booked flights, and two more have already decided to come ;-) All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I shall canvass the QUANTA people and NEMQLUG members to see how many we can get to support this event. Many thanks to the organisers who accepted the fact that the QUANTA Committee cannot do everything, all the time. Your support of this event should receive grateful thanks from a lot of people. I can guarantee a QUANTA presence at the event - and of course the pledge is earmarked for payment when details are known Kind Regards, John Gilpin. QUANTA Treasurer Membership Secretary. treasu...@quanta.org.uk members...@quanta.org.uk On 07/05/2014 21:42, p...@zx81.de wrote: I also booked flights and Marriott Hotel from Thursday to Sunday for my wife and me. Prices for flights are already rising. Thanks Tobias for your wake up call. Kind regards Paul Am 07.05.2014 um 21:40 schrieb Tobias Fröschle tobias.froesc...@t-online.de: Yes! Great news. Tobias (*Books flight before prices rise* ;) ) Am 07.05.2014 um 21:30 schrieb Peter Graf pg...@q40.de: Great news! :-D Many thanks to you Geoff and all who work for QL is 30! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Excellent. It looks like us QLis30 pledgers are going to have to pay up! :) Dave On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote: The Edinburgh QLis30 event is booked for 11th October 2014. This was the date that most people wanted. The venue is the Gyle Hall of the St. Thomas Episcopal Church, Glasgow Road, EH12 8LJ. The venue is on the main road from Edinburgh city centre to Edinburgh Airport and Glasgow. The bus service too and from the airport has a bus stop outside the church. We shall be posting a dedicated website giving details of accommodation and travel arrangements, but this is unlikely to be online before mid June. I need to go to Edinburgh to do some research and photography for the site. I am in Edinburgh on 31st May and 6th June so it is saves me time and money to wait until then. So far 17 people from 6 lands have expressed an interest so we have achieved our first aim of getting an international group of QL-ers together. There are Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels on the same bus route as the church but we shall publish detailed information of these and other hotels on the website. Also travellers from the continent may like two early details. Any one wishing to come by car may like to consider the overnight DFDS ferry from IJmuiden in the Netherlands to Newcastle. This would save a long drive in the UK. Any one thinking of travelling by Eurostar should note that the London terminal is next door to Kings Cross station with trains to Edinburgh. We hope to have Skype at the event, but none of the organisers has Skype experience. I hope to have this by October, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Peter Graf and me are looking forward to meet actual an future QL-SD users in Edinburgh! Kind regards Paul Am 07.05.2014 um 18:26 schrieb Graeme Gregory gra...@xora.org.uk: Awesome, I will be cycling/training over for the day from Glasgow, although if it pours I shall drive :-) Graeme On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 05:01:37PM +0100, Geoff Wicks wrote: The Edinburgh QLis30 event is booked for 11th October 2014. This was the date that most people wanted. The venue is the Gyle Hall of the St. Thomas Episcopal Church, Glasgow Road, EH12 8LJ. The venue is on the main road from Edinburgh city centre to Edinburgh Airport and Glasgow. The bus service too and from the airport has a bus stop outside the church. We shall be posting a dedicated website giving details of accommodation and travel arrangements, but this is unlikely to be online before mid June. I need to go to Edinburgh to do some research and photography for the site. I am in Edinburgh on 31st May and 6th June so it is saves me time and money to wait until then. So far 17 people from 6 lands have expressed an interest so we have achieved our first aim of getting an international group of QL-ers together. There are Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels on the same bus route as the church but we shall publish detailed information of these and other hotels on the website. Also travellers from the continent may like two early details. Any one wishing to come by car may like to consider the overnight DFDS ferry from IJmuiden in the Netherlands to Newcastle. This would save a long drive in the UK. Any one thinking of travelling by Eurostar should note that the London terminal is next door to Kings Cross station with trains to Edinburgh. We hope to have Skype at the event, but none of the organisers has Skype experience. I hope to have this by October, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-Original Message- From: Petri Pellinen p...@iki.fi Sent: May 7, 2014 2:06 PM To: ql-users ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Edinburgh is go! This is great news! Regarding the pledge, we need to figure out the best way to transfer the funds. I'll be happy to send in my contribution as soon as necessary. Thank you very much to everybody who are putting in the work to make this happen. Looking forward to meeting a lot of QLers! Cheers, Petri On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote: The Edinburgh QLis30 event is booked for 11th October 2014. This was the date that most people wanted. The venue is the Gyle Hall of the St. Thomas Episcopal Church, Glasgow Road, EH12 8LJ. The venue is on the main road from Edinburgh city centre to Edinburgh Airport and Glasgow. The bus service too and from the airport has a bus stop outside the church. We shall be posting a dedicated website giving details of accommodation and travel arrangements, but this is unlikely to be online before mid June. I need to go to Edinburgh to do some research and photography for the site. I am in Edinburgh on 31st May and 6th June so it is saves me time and money to wait until then. So far 17 people from 6 lands have expressed an interest so we have achieved our first aim of getting an international group of QL-ers together. There are Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels on the same bus route as the church but we shall publish detailed information of these and other hotels on the website. Also travellers from the continent may like two early details. Any one wishing to come by car may like to consider the overnight DFDS ferry from IJmuiden in the Netherlands to Newcastle. This would save a long drive in the UK. Any one thinking of travelling by Eurostar should note that the London terminal is next door to Kings Cross station with trains to Edinburgh. We hope to have Skype at the event, but none of the organisers has Skype experience. I hope to have this by October, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm My pledges come in soon as methods are published, I certainly hope. Very good news. Doug 37830 USA ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Great news! :-D Many thanks to you Geoff and all who work for QL is 30! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I also booked flights and Marriott Hotel from Thursday to Sunday for my wife and me. Prices for flights are already rising. Thanks Tobias for your wake up call. Kind regards Paul Am 07.05.2014 um 21:40 schrieb Tobias Fröschle tobias.froesc...@t-online.de: Yes! Great news. Tobias (*Books flight before prices rise* ;) ) Am 07.05.2014 um 21:30 schrieb Peter Graf pg...@q40.de: Great news! :-D Many thanks to you Geoff and all who work for QL is 30! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
