Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 at 01:48:01, P Witte wrote: (ref: <002b01c2685c$4b5692c0$0100a8c0@gamma>) >View my reply in plaintext (if you can find it)! Per I did (two clicks) and, as I thought I said, it looks the same. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
Tony Firshman writes: > >While were having this little chat let me point out to Tony that I often > >find your replies very hard to find. See the example below. > > > > > > > >>Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - > >> > >>'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' > >Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. <--- Tony's reply > I agree you sent this to me as quoted text, but it is up to _your_ > mailer to add the quoted text mark, not me. > I fail to see what I can do. > I have to send items starting at column one, and looking at the sent > item in my filed mail (I do have the option to view the raw text, it > looks fine. > ie exactly what I am seeing on screen. > All I get in TP is quoted text in red. > >> > >>See example below > > > > > > > >Perhaps, because your email program does "intelligent" things to the text to > >emphasise the thread logic in some way, you may not realise the problem even > >now. Try viewing it in a text-only application to see what I mean; your > >reply gets completely lost in the ambient verbiage! > ... but this is the text received from you, and looks exactly the same > as I see in Turnpike. > >This has been the case > >as long as Ive been on this list, so in the early days, when I believed all > >email clients were the same, I made sure to leave a blank line above and > >below my own inserted responses (I wonder how that comes across on some > >people's screens!) If Im the only person with this "problem" I apologise for > >taking up your time - otherwise, perhaps you might consider adapting your > >style for the benefit of your reading public? > > You are using Outlook Express - the same mailer as Bill's. > > I know I usually get msgs from Outlook with the whole original message > appended to the bottom. > How did you get threaded - did you cut and paste? > Maybe that is defeating Outlook. View my reply in plaintext (if you can find it)! Per > > > -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 > tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk >Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 > TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce] > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 at 13:32:12, P Witte wrote: > (ref: <000601c266fb$dcc49390$0100a8c0@gamma>) > > > > >Tony Firshman writes: > > > >While were having this little chat let me point out to Tony that I often > >find your replies very hard to find. See the example below. > > > > > > > >>Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - > >> > >>'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' > >Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. <--- Tony's reply > I agree you sent this to me as quoted text, but it is up to _your_ > mailer to add the quoted text mark, not me. > I fail to see what I can do. > I have to send items starting at column one, and looking at the sent > item in my filed mail (I do have the option to view the raw text, it > looks fine. > ie exactly what I am seeing on screen. > All I get in TP is quoted text in red. > >> > >>See example below > > > > > > > >Perhaps, because your email program does "intelligent" things to the text to > >emphasise the thread logic in some way, you may not realise the problem even > >now. Try viewing it in a text-only application to see what I mean; your > >reply gets completely lost in the ambient verbiage! > ... but this is the text received from you, and looks exactly the same > as I see in Turnpike. > >This has been the case > >as long as Ive been on this list, so in the early days, when I believed all > >email clients were the same, I made sure to leave a blank line above and > >below my own inserted responses (I wonder how that comes across on some > >people's screens!) If Im the only person with this "problem" I apologise for > >taking up your time - otherwise, perhaps you might consider adapting your > >style for the benefit of your reading public? > > You are using Outlook Express - the same mailer as Bill's. > > I know I usually get msgs from Outlook with the whole original message > appended to the bottom. > How did you get threaded - did you cut and paste? > Maybe that is defeating Outlook. > > > -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 > tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk >Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 > TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG Hi Tony The '>' problem seems to be with LOOKOUT Explode!, I have found an email that looses all the reply quotes when it is replied to. The other 4 million emails quote properly with '>' as above. So LOOKOUT Explode! strips its own quotes off in certain circumstances. Yes, I've had a look but cannot see the difference between emails & config (I've spent 5 mins on it, that's enough), the one difference I can tell you is that the problem surrounds replying to formatted text. LOOKOUT Explode! must put the '>' on to a reply then strip out the garbage and take its own quotes with it when converting to plain text. I can reproduce this condition. To bring this back on topic as most of you should know various new emailing programs are being tested for our group, first is to get the programs working with plain text, this list is a good test for the new programs, lets all use plain text - as we should in public - and this helps during testing. The 'plain text plea' has been mentioned before. On LOOK Exp don't forget to look in the address book - properties - name - send as plain text (tick) I know it's obvious but some do slip through. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 at 13:32:12, P Witte wrote: (ref: <000601c266fb$dcc49390$0100a8c0@gamma>) > >Tony Firshman writes: > >While were having this little chat let me point out to Tony that I often >find your replies very hard to find. See the example below. > > > >>Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - >> >>'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' >Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. <--- Tony's reply I agree you sent this to me as quoted text, but it is up to _your_ mailer to add the quoted text mark, not me. I fail to see what I can do. I have to send items starting at column one, and looking at the sent item in my filed mail (I do have the option to view the raw text, it looks fine. ie exactly what I am seeing on screen. All I get in TP is quoted text in red. >> >>See example below > > > >Perhaps, because your email program does "intelligent" things to the text to >emphasise the thread logic in some way, you may not realise the problem even >now. Try viewing it in a text-only application to see what I mean; your >reply gets completely lost in the ambient verbiage! ... but this is the text received from you, and looks exactly the same as I see in Turnpike. >This has been the case >as long as Ive been on this list, so in the early days, when I believed all >email clients were the same, I made sure to leave a blank line above and >below my own inserted responses (I wonder how that comes across on some >people's screens!) If Im the only person with this "problem" I apologise for >taking up your time - otherwise, perhaps you might consider adapting your >style for the benefit of your reading public? You are using Outlook Express - the same mailer as Bill's. I know I usually get msgs from Outlook with the whole original message appended to the bottom. How did you get threaded - did you cut and paste? Maybe that is defeating Outlook. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
In article <001001c266eb$fbfced80$a44b01d5@famwaugh>, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:54 AM >Subject: Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce] > >> to messagesin the format they were sent >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 22:46:34, John G Hitchcock wrote: >> (ref: <007001c2666f$7c0fabc0$dc169fd4@johns>) >> >> >In I/E v 6.00 >> > >> >tools >> >options >> >send tab >> >select: include message in reply >> >- >> >Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - >> > >> >'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' >> Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. > >As I stated in a reply '>' ':' and '|' are available. > >I noted that I also had the 'reply to messages in the fromat they were >sent ' ticked, this overrides any plain text settings if replying to >html mails, I'm not sure this could have any bearings on my mail to Tony >and Norman as I assume they replied in plain text. >the URL that I pasted in to the original reply to Tony would not >constitute a html mail on return surely. > >Could someone tell me if my mails are ok now please (:-) Yes, they seem OK now, Bill. Although I would suggest that you 'untick' the 'reply to messages in the format they were sent' in Outlook, and just stick to plain text. You can always make an individual choice later for a particular email if you wish. Although M$ have this as the 'default' setting in Outlook it encourages a lot of bouncing around of extra bandwidth ... -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
Tony Firshman writes: While were having this little chat let me point out to Tony that I often find your replies very hard to find. See the example below. >Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - > >'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. <--- Tony's reply > >See example below Perhaps, because your email program does "intelligent" things to the text to emphasise the thread logic in some way, you may not realise the problem even now. Try viewing it in a text-only application to see what I mean; your reply gets completely lost in the ambient verbiage! This has been the case as long as Ive been on this list, so in the early days, when I believed all email clients were the same, I made sure to leave a blank line above and below my own inserted responses (I wonder how that comes across on some people's screens!) If Im the only person with this "problem" I apologise for taking up your time - otherwise, perhaps you might consider adapting your style for the benefit of your reading public? Pained of Painswick
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce] > to messagesin the format they were sent > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 22:46:34, John G Hitchcock wrote: > (ref: <007001c2666f$7c0fabc0$dc169fd4@johns>) > > > >In I/E v 6.00 > > > >tools > >options > >send tab > >select: include message in reply > >- > >Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - > > > >'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' > Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. As I stated in a reply '>' ':' and '|' are available. I noted that I also had the 'reply to messages in the fromat they were sent ' ticked, this overrides any plain text settings if replying to html mails, I'm not sure this could have any bearings on my mail to Tony and Norman as I assume they replied in plain text. the URL that I pasted in to the original reply to Tony would not constitute a html mail on return surely. Could someone tell me if my mails are ok now please (:-) All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 at 22:46:34, John G Hitchcock wrote: (ref: <007001c2666f$7c0fabc0$dc169fd4@johns>) >In I/E v 6.00 > >tools >options >send tab >select: include message in reply >- >Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - > >'>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' Interesting - I have _never_ seen ':' until now. > >See example below > > >reply to original > >- Original Message - >From: " A N other .. >To: "AN A N Other >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:25 PM >Subject: Test for ' include message in reply' - original > > >: Test for ' include message in reply' - original >: > >$$ -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
[ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - '>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' Sorry Bill, my mistake. The selection *is* offered via 'plain text settings' John in Wales
[ql-users] e-mail plain protocols [was Parcelfarce]
Re Tony's: Bill is still pretty unsure as to what is happening. I am pretty sure he must be sending it without indents (>) but I don't think he is convinced. I cannot see how _any_ mailer can strip off '>' - it just doesn't seem logical. = In I/E v 6.00 tools options send tab select: include message in reply - Note: In I/E 6: There does not *seem* to be the offer of the - '>' etc as a prefix but a standardisation on ':' See example below reply to original - Original Message - From: " A N other .. To: "AN A N Other Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Test for ' include message in reply' - original : Test for ' include message in reply' - original : $$ However, I/E 6.0 'help' has - --- To watch a conversation In both e-mail and newsgroups, you can watch a conversation that is of particular interest you. A conversation is an original message and all its replies. In your Inbox or newsgroup message list, select the conversation you want to watch, and on the Message menu, click Watch Conversation. If your message list's Watch/Ignore column is turned on, the watch icon will appear next to all the messages of a watched conversation. Note You can customize the color of your watched messages to make them stand out. On the Tools menu, click Options. On the Read tab, at the end of the Highlight watched messages with the color line, select the color you want, and then click OK. -- hth! John in Wales
