Why messages not in maildir of users???

2000-06-07 Thread Sinisa Malesevic




I use qmail with serialmail and fetchmail. I conect 
to my ISP with dial up.All messages for out are stored in 
"/var/qmail/alias/pppdir/" and that is OK.All mesages witch I receive (with 
fetchmail) are in "/var/qmail/qlias/pppdir/" too.
And that is 
problem. Why this mesages not in maildir of my users??? Howqmail can 
dislocate this messages in maildir of my usersI use 
vpopmail.


Re: pop3 / tcpserver problems

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 Photocon:

 avail. Can someone tell me what to do about a "tcpserver: fatal: unable to 
 figure out port number for pop-3" error on a redhat 6.2 system?

add

pop3110/tcp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
pop3110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
pop-3   110/tcp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 for qmail :)
pop-3   110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 for qmail :)

to /etc/services, if they are not there.

clemens



Re: Why not inetd?

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 Peter van Dijk:

 Research shows that FreeBSD 4.0's inetd actually doesn't have these
 misfeatures anymore - it has a concurrency limit (yes, really!) and a
 max-connections-per-minute-per-remote-IP.

starting with at most 2.8.8, it has.  freebsd 2.8.8 is my religion.

clemens



Re: pop3 / tcpserver problems

2000-06-07 Thread Petr Novotny

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 add
 
 pop3  110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
 pop-3 110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 for qmail :)

Ouch! Since when can pop3 run over udp? 110/tcp lines are just 
enough.

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Re: thousands of qmail-queue processes hanging...

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 bjv:

 What has started to happen today is that receiving mail is slow, between
 the '.' and 'ok' from qmail (got that from telnet to port 25). Even slower
 is its sending, which is about a message every 5 or 10 seconds. The other
 noticable problem is that there are thousands of qmail-queue processes
 running concurrently in the process table. Most of the processes are

did you concurrency-limit outgoing/incoming connections via
control/concurrency{remote,local} and tcpserver -c and -b or the
appropriate inetd.conf settings?

did you check:

z0:57:55:600:/queue/lock/:sendmutex:
z1024:56:55:644:/queue/lock/:tcpto:
p:57:55:622:/queue/lock/:trigger:

which is, ls-itarary speaking, or ls-wise, or simply wise:
(ls -l /var/qmail/queue/lock/)

total 1
-rw---  1 qmails  qmail 0 May 13 13:59 sendmutex
-rw-r--r--  1 qmailr  qmail  1024 Jun  7 04:16 tcpto
prw--w--w-  1 qmails  qmail 0 Jun  7 08:53 trigger

qmail depends on these.

clemens



server load problem

2000-06-07 Thread kapil sharma


Hi,
I am running redhat linux6.1, qmail. My server conf are as follows:
Intel PIII 550 MHz, 1 GB RAM, 48GB SCSI HDD
We are using a web based software developed by our company for proving
web based email service. Now there are about 24000 users on our server.
It is giving problems:
1: server gets hanged up.
2: CPU utilization id very high
3: RAM is being used too much.
I need a help to do memory management as well as to configure qmail
for very heavy loads.
Thank you
kapil

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Multiple domains

2000-06-07 Thread Andrés

Hello.

I've configured in my machine a few domains:

example.com
test.com

What can I do if I want to have 2 different e-mail address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have the user "me", but those two different e-mail addresses goes to the
same user, is there a way to make them go to different users?

As the alias files don't make any difference (as far as I know) for users
between domains...

Thanks.




Re: Multiple domains

2000-06-07 Thread Michael Hufnagl

hi,

At 10:35 07.06.00 +0200, Andrés wrote:
I've configured in my machine a few domains:

example.com
test.com

What can I do if I want to have 2 different e-mail address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have the user "me", but those two different e-mail addresses goes to the
same user, is there a way to make them go to different users?

you need virtual domains - you need vpopmail (www.inter7.com) ;-)


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Re: Relaying to different hosts

2000-06-07 Thread Jules Desforges

Chris Johnson wrote:
 
 
  I can use the .qmail files to forward e-mail to another address,
  but how do you relay a messages onto another server without changing
  the envelope.
 
 I don't think you'll be able to. You can use smtproutes to override DNS and
 send a whole domain's mail somewhere else without changing the envelope, but I
 don't know of a way to do it with different addresses in the same domain.
 
 Why do you care if the envelope is changed? What you propose is trivial with
 .qmail files if you use forwarding, but the envelope recipient will change.
 
 Chris

OK. Even if the envelope isn't changed I can't find a solution to this
problem using .qmail files. If anyone can shed any light on this, it
would be appreciated.

Joolsie



Re: Does someone knows what is this about?

2000-06-07 Thread Jenny Holmberg

"Petr Novotny" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 5 Jun 00, at 19:12, Peter van Dijk wrote:
 
  The only correct choice is 1. If your customer has an open relay, block
  them on your own smarthost until they fix their problem.
 
 Oh thanks. In other words, you're giving me the following 
 possibilities:
 1. Get used to being listed in ORBS.
 2. Losing customers by denying them service (something that 
 noone else does, at least around here).

Actually, if there's spam coming through a customer's server, we
require that they take steps to stop it - whether they are using our
mailserver as a smarthost or not. And if they refuse to take action,
we *will* cut their service. In fact, we have gone so far as to block
all port 25 traffic to a non-responsive customer. That got their
attention fairly quickly...

And we still get listed by ORBS at times, and I simply couldn't care
less. I have seen nothing to disprove that they list sites out of
spite, and that they do not follow their own stated guidelines on
their web page. Now, if I were listed by RBL or RSS - *that* would
make me worry. 

We've got a clause in our AUP stating that customers may not "engage
in behaviour that is detrimental to our systems, other customers, or
the Internet as a whole". Anyone running an open relay after being
warned that spammers are using it definitely falls foul of that
clause.

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qmail Digest 7 Jun 2000 10:00:00 -0000 Issue 1025

2000-06-07 Thread qmail-digest-help


qmail Digest 7 Jun 2000 10:00:00 - Issue 1025

Topics (messages 42761 through 42823):

Re: Does someone knows what is this about?
42761 by: Petr Novotny
42774 by: OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg
42776 by: Bruno Wolff III
42781 by: Mate Wierdl
42786 by: Aaron L. Meehan
42796 by: Peter van Dijk
42823 by: Jenny Holmberg

Re: Qmail problems - mail won't send
42762 by: slvrchair.monmouth.com

Help on smtp and rcpthosts !!
42763 by: Xionghui Chen
42764 by: Vince Vielhaber
42766 by: Len Budney
42813 by: clemensF

Re: Why not inetd?
42765 by: Peter van Dijk
42785 by: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin
42801 by: clemensF
42803 by: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin
42816 by: clemensF

Web Tool for qmail
42767 by: Nguyen Hong Son
42768 by: Uelinton Braulio dos Santos
42769 by: Olivier M.

PROBLEM with messages
42770 by: Sinisa Malesevic

Help Please!
42771 by: yavuz
42784 by: net admin

qmail + filter + autorespond
42772 by: Gologan, Andrei
42773 by: Russell P. Sutherland

Re: programming with vpopmail - add account from web
42775 by: "Próspero, Esteban"
42777 by: kingram
42778 by: Bruno Negrão

List all users
42779 by: Ari Arantes Filho
42791 by: David L. Nicol

Opinions on filtering
42780 by: Derek Watson
42792 by: Derek Watson
42812 by: clemensF

Virtual domains problems
42782 by: Patricio Escobar Pineda

Re: Can it be done?
42783 by: Guillermo Villasana Cardoza

rejecting emails
42787 by: Jens Georg
42799 by: Greg Hinton
42802 by: clemensF

Re: tcpserver: unable to bind
42788 by: clemensF

Relaying to different hosts
42789 by: Jules Desforges
42790 by: Chris Johnson
42822 by: Jules Desforges

Checkpoppasswd
42793 by: Michael Hornby

Setting default domain for outgoing mail on a per user basis
42794 by: scarrera.Telenisus.com

"Get Me Off This List!" Dissenting Opinion
42795 by: Kai MacTane

thousands of qmail-queue processes hanging...
42797 by: bjv
42818 by: clemensF

pop3 / tcpserver problems
42798 by: Photocon
42800 by: Ben Beuchler
42815 by: clemensF
42817 by: Petr Novotny

Suggestion for mailing list manager?
42804 by: John R Levine
42805 by: Murat Guven Mural
42806 by: Ben Beuchler
42807 by: Peter Green
42808 by: Russ Allbery

Re: DRAFT RFD - comp.mail.qmail - Comments Sought (Was: qmail advocacy questions)
42809 by: Darren Wyn Rees
42811 by: Brad Johnson

Anybody got the RPM for Qmail, pease send me eom
42810 by: Tushar.Shah.snstech.com

Why messages not in maildir of  users???
42814 by: Sinisa Malesevic

server load problem
42819 by: kapil sharma

Multiple domains
42820 by: Andrés
42821 by: Michael Hufnagl

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On 6 Jun 00, at 11:56, OK 2 NET - Andr Paulsberg wrote:

 This seems like a weak excuse, all your interfaces should have
 matching RDNS to their main A records and it's sufficient to set this
 up once!

Who shall fill in control/locals, should the reverse (outside my
control) change?

  I still fail to see "domain must be any RDNS for your computer you
  can think of".

 If your mailservers hostname is mail.antek.cz then mail.antek.cz is
 also an domain, then [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an required RFC 822
 postmaster address.

Yes; but the machine has also an interface antek.vol.cz (outside
my control). This interface is never shown in DNS as MX, but still
it's an _outgoing_ interface for world-bound mail. Should I have this
interface in control/locals? Not at all - anyone using it is just doing
that by mistake.

  There are surely more ways to get mail to these admins /
  postmasters, but telnet to port 25 and manually dropping a "rcpt
  to: postmaster" is far to much to ask from a normal person trying
  to contact a postmaster.
 
  ORBS tester (notifier) is far from being "normal person". After all,
  a normal person wouldn't know how to set up and run such a service.
  Or doesn't ORBS know either?

 They postmaster described in RFC822 is for all user, not ORBS only.

 ORBS only have the IP address of the mailserver,
 as per RFC822 postmaster@RDNS/IP should be enough.

Perhaps this shows the beef some people have with ORBS. "Four
legs goos, two legs bad."

It would be trivial for you to change the way you notify the
postmaster. It would actually 

Re: Suggestion for mailing list manager?

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

  * GNU Mailman: looks superswell, but I'd rather not have to learn python
 
 WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON

yeah!  i hate it, too!

clemens



Re: Suggestion for mailing list manager?

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 Russ Allbery:

  WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON
 
 It's annoying?  :)

and dots-in-names dont make oo!

clemens



dot-qmail extensions ...

2000-06-07 Thread mwangu


Dear all,

I have been trawling through all the docs I can find
trying to find the
answer to the question:

When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process
mail through a
script, is there any way to view the output produced
by the scripts 
when
they process an e-mail?

I desperately need to find the answer to this question
so I can 
complete
an upgrade for a system which has recently come into
my care.

Appreciatively,

M

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Re: dot-qmail extensions ...

2000-06-07 Thread Ondrej Sury

mwangu wrote:
 
 Dear all,
 
 I have been trawling through all the docs I can find
 trying to find the
 answer to the question:
 
 When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process
 mail through a
 script, is there any way to view the output produced
 by the scripts
 when
 they process an e-mail?
 
 I desperately need to find the answer to this question
 so I can
 complete
 an upgrade for a system which has recently come into
 my care.
 
 Appreciatively,

.qmail-anything
|program tmp/qmail-anything.log 21

is not sufficient?

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Re: thousands of qmail-queue processes hanging...

2000-06-07 Thread TAG

Hi,

I had the same problem - it is Solaris 7 - it has a OS bug that keeps
the qmail-smtpd and qmail-queue processes hanging around indefinatly -
(well almost ) and this eats up memory and slows everything down - A
major pain :))

TO FIX - you cannot just upgrade to solaris 8 - you need to re-install
from scratch - I have tried the recommended patches and it does not work
- I have tried the upgrade and still does not work.

Trust me - from scratch is the only way - major pain - :)))

If you have more questions  - please mail me - I have experience with
solaris and qmail 9limited I must admit - but some none the less).

Regards
Tonino


bjv wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am running qmail1.03 on SunOS5.7 single processor, single disk
 machine. This is an incoming qmail box that processes around 75,000
 messages a day. It does no local delivery, it simply relays all mail to a
 certain host with a line like the following in smtproutes:
 
 :host.domain
 
 What has started to happen today is that receiving mail is slow, between
 the '.' and 'ok' from qmail (got that from telnet to port 25). Even slower
 is its sending, which is about a message every 5 or 10 seconds. The other
 noticable problem is that there are thousands of qmail-queue processes
 running concurrently in the process table. Most of the processes are
 fairly recent (started within the last couple of minutes), but some are
 several hours old. Here is a sample of ps -ef:
 
   qmailq 20471 1  0 15:51:29 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
   qmailq 19623 1  0 15:51:10 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
   qmailq 20899 1  0 15:51:40 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
   qmailq 21515 1  0 15:51:54 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
   qmailq 17269 1  0 15:50:17 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
   qmailq 19408 19385  0 15:51:06 ?0:00 bin/qmail-queue
 
 There a thousands of these processes, and as you can see, some of them
 have init as a parent, and some have an actual qmail-smtpd.
 
 The queue is growing on this incoming mail server because it is sending
 mail so infrequently/slowly.
 
 Can somebody please give me some advice on where to start.
 
 Oh, iostat looks like this:
 
   extended device statistics
   r/s  w/s   kr/s   kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t  %w  %b device
   0.0  0.00.00.0  0.0  0.00.00.0   0   0 c0t0d0s0
   0.0  0.20.01.3  0.0  0.10.0  311.2   0   5 c0t0d0s1
   0.0  0.00.00.0  0.0  0.00.00.0   0   0 c0t0d0s2
   0.0  0.00.00.0  0.0  0.00.00.0   0   0 c0t0d0s3
   1.3 209.8   12.5 1281.9  0.0  6.30.0   29.6   0  99 c0t0d0s4
   0.0  0.00.00.0  0.0  0.00.00.0   0   0 c0t0d0s6
   0.0  0.10.00.4  0.0  0.10.0  628.6   0   5 c0t0d0s7
   0.0  0.00.00.0  0.0  0.00.00.0   0   0
 cobalt:vold(pid207)
 
 s4 is mounted as /var/qmail. Obviously pretty busy 99%! I think this 99%
 busy is a result of these qmail-queue porcess, however I am hesitant to
 believe that this problem is as simple as the disk is maxing out and thus
 the hanging qmail-queue porcesses. Especially because this box has been
 able to handle the load thus far, and I do not detect any new extremely
 large influx of mail.
 
 I would be tremendously grateful for any advice tackling this problem.
 
 Brandon



Re: pop3 / tcpserver problems

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 Petr Novotny:

  pop3110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
  pop-3   110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 for qmail :)
 
 Ouch! Since when can pop3 run over udp? 110/tcp lines are just 
 enough.

about as ouch than all the other entries.  iana used to allocate numbers for
udp and tcp, stop, ende, no discussion.  please don't blame me, i was so
tiny back then...

clemens



Re: tcpserver: unable to bind

2000-06-07 Thread Luca Zancan

What should I verify???
I've also removed sendmail with "rpm --nodep -e sendmail".
Thank you again,
Luca

clemensF wrote:

  Luca Zancan:

  "tcpserver: fatal error: unable to bind: port already in use", or

 usually it's one  too many.  at least two servers in the field.

 clemens

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Re: Does someone knows what is this about?

2000-06-07 Thread Russell Nelson

Peter van Dijk writes:
  ORBS does not list a machine until it has received a relayed test
  message.

Then why does Alan suggest that qmail is an open relay by default
simply because its smtp server accepts more mail than it will deliver?
Why would he care?

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another set of q's

2000-06-07 Thread Judy Simon

Hello all,

Now that I have restored some order to my qmail system with the 
SIGHUP command (again THANKs to all who helped on that one...) I 
would like to know if it is possible to recover/deliver all the 
messages that are sitting in the bounced directory. Is there anyway 
of retrieving who tried to send to whom so I could do some sort of 
nice forwarded of those bounced emails to their intended recipients?

also, in what directory will i find this mail-log file for the error 
messages that have accumulated - i'm sure that there are many during 
that 2 day period...

finally, is anyone familiar with this error message -BTW is there a 
listing of all qmail error messages and their causes somewhere?

Failed to deliver to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
SMTP module(domain tap.co.il) reports:
  DNS Loop: MX-record mail.brainlink.com points back to us

thanks to all!
judy
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Re: dot-qmail extensions ...

2000-06-07 Thread Russell Nelson

mwangu writes:
  When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process mail through a
  script, is there any way to view the output produced by the scripts
  when they process an e-mail?

Anything sent by a program delivery to stdout or stderr ends up in the
log file.

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Script Required

2000-06-07 Thread System Administrator

Hi

can anyone mailme the script to be injected for blocking iloveyou virus ?
 i need it very urgently.

Parag Mehta[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Support is now available thru our Web Based Support System.
http://support.puretech.co.in







Re: Setting default domain for outgoing mail on a per user basis

2000-06-07 Thread Russell Nelson

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I am running qmail on a Linux box with a default domain of "default.com" and
  a virtual domain of "virtual.com".  I have set up the users in
  "control/virtualhosts" and they receive mail correctly for the virtual
  domain.  My question is, when a user that exists on the virtual domain
  "virtual.com" and they ssh into my box, is there a way for qmail to tag the
  outgoing email for that user to say it came from "virtual.com" and not the
  default domain "default.com"?  Basically this is a question of outgoing
  email originating from the box itself, because I know this is configurable
  in a POP3/IMAP client.  I don't want to use a .pinerc or .muttrc file if I
  don't have to.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You might be able to set environment variables to convince
qmail-inject to default or rewrite the From: address.

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Re: server load problem

2000-06-07 Thread kapil sharma


I found out from top that mysqld is taking most of the cpu utilization.
Now how to customize it?
Server is hanging up and it won't respond to ctrl-alt-del

kapil
Greg Owen wrote:
> We are using a web based software developed by
our
> company for proving web based email service. Now
> there are about 24000 users on our server. It is
> giving problems:
> 1: server gets hanged up.
 Define "hanged up."
You get a kernel oops? System doesn't oops but
stops responding to network and keyboard input? System won't
respond to
control-alt-delete?
> 2: CPU utilization id very high
 Great. Who's using
it? Use 'top', 'ps', or whatever your favorite
tool is to track heavy processor users.
> 3: RAM is being used too much.
 Great. Who's using
it? Use 'top', 'ps', or whatever your favorite
tool is to track memory hogs.
 I think you will find that,
unless it is misconfigured (e.g. the
startup script is starting qmail over and over again) that qmail isn't
responsible for high CPU or high RAM.
> I need a help to do memory management as well as to
> configure qmail for very heavy loads.
 You need to find out who
is using all that memory and CPU, and
either fix it or decide you need to add processor and memory.
Once you've
got spare capacity on the machine, you should modify your concurrencyremote
setting and your allowed concurrent incoming connections (tcpserver
-cN
where N is the max incoming concurrent connections) so that they can
use the
capacity. But I recommend fixing your CPU/RAM problems first.
--
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RE: qmail-ldap error message!!

2000-06-07 Thread Patrick Ohiomoba

What's the famous #204 bug in qmail-pop3d.c

Patrick




Re: Script Required

2000-06-07 Thread Erwin Hoffmann

Hi 

I picked up the small skript "checkattach" from Noel G. Mistula and
modified to do "Subject:" type filtering.

Do the following:

1. Install the script in /usr/local/bin.
2. chmod +x checksubj
3. Add this skript into your user's .qmail files and - if applicable - into 
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-default (first line:)

|/usr/local/bin/checksubj
~/Maildir/

etc.

4. Modify the subject text fields in "checksubj" to your needs, eg. add
"|*insurance*". The script evaluates the string case sensitive! It allows
wildcards, but be carefull!

5. The sender becomes the E-Mail bounced.
6. You can watch the results (and test the script) viewing your Maillog.

cheers.
eh.


#!/bin/sh
#
# qmail -- checksubj
# Author: Dr. Erwin Hoffmann - FEHCom
# Date: 2000-06-02
# Version: 0.1
#

# I use this in a user's .qmail file
# by adding the line
# |/usr/local/bin/checksubj
# before the ./Maildir/
#
printsubj () {
 echo "Your E-Mail was rejected is because it contained a Subject like: $SUBJECTLINE."
 echo "Sorry, we don't accept those E-Mails."
}

checksubject () {
 case $SUBJECTLINE in
  I-LOVE-YOU|ASSURANCE) 
   printsubj $SUBJECTLINE
   exit 100;;
  *)
   ;;
  esac
}

SUBJECT=`(grep "Subject: " | awk -F: '{print $2}')`
for SUBJECTLINE in $SUBJECT
do 
 checksubject $SUBJECTLINE
done

exit 0



+---+
|  fffhh http://www.fehcom.deDr. Erwin Hoffmann |
| ff  hh|
| ffeee     ccc   ooomm mm  mm   Wiener Weg 8   |
| fff  ee ee  hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mmm  mm  mm 50858 Koeln|
| ff  ee eee  hh  hh  cc   oo oo mm   mm  mm|
| ff  eee hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mm   mm  mm Tel 0221 484 4923  |
| ff      hh  hhccc   ooomm   mm  mm Fax 0221 484 4924  |
+---+


Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis

2000-06-07 Thread Rainer Link

Nuno Ferreira wrote:

[cut]

 Also I can't seem to get any info on getting amavis working with Qmail. All
 the their document says it's ''... integrated due to contribution ...
 remains untested"

Sorry for late reply - I was out of the office for some days and busy
with other stuff than reading eMails. 

Please see http://dev.amavis.org/ or checkout the latest sources from
our CVS server at sourceforge.net

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me/us
directly.

HTH

best regards,
Rainer Link
-- 
Rainer Link  | Member of Virus Help Munich (www.vhm.haitec.de)   
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Member of AMaViS Development Team (dev.amavis.org)
rainer.w3.to | Maintainer FAQ "antivirus for Linux" (av-linux.w3.to)




Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis

2000-06-07 Thread Nuno Ferreira

Thanks,

Meanwhile I was able to get it working.

However, I still am unable to make maildrop work with QMail.
I have installed maildrop-0.76b, I have

the following in ~/.qmail
./Maildir/
| /var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/maildrop

and the folowing in ~/.mailfilter
DEFAULT="./Maildir/"
if ( /^(To|Cc|From|Reply-To): *@hotmail.com*/ )
{
   to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
}

I think maildrop is being called correctly, because I had a permission
problem that appeared in the logs and now it stopped appearing.
However, with this configuration, I [EMAIL PROTECTED] never gets any
message coming to me from hotmail.com.
Maybe there's something wrong with the "if", but I can't see it. Furthermore
I think that with this configuration some mails (the ones from hotmail.com)
get thrown back into the queue and come back to me several times.

Is there anybody able to shed some light.

TIA


Nuno Ferreira
Departamento de Informática da APCMC
 Tel: 22 5074212
 Fax: 22 5074219
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
- Original Message -
From: "Rainer Link" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Nuno Ferreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis


 Nuno Ferreira wrote:

 [cut]

  Also I can't seem to get any info on getting amavis working with Qmail.
All
  the their document says it's ''... integrated due to contribution ...
  remains untested"

 Sorry for late reply - I was out of the office for some days and busy
 with other stuff than reading eMails.

 Please see http://dev.amavis.org/ or checkout the latest sources from
 our CVS server at sourceforge.net

 If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me/us
 directly.

 HTH

 best regards,
 Rainer Link
 --
 Rainer Link  | Member of Virus Help Munich (www.vhm.haitec.de)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Member of AMaViS Development Team (dev.amavis.org)
 rainer.w3.to | Maintainer FAQ "antivirus for Linux" (av-linux.w3.to)






Can it be done 2 ...

2000-06-07 Thread Guillermo Villasana Cardoza

I have some more question about this...

So, the email gets to the internal servers but can the internal servers
be sendmail servers or they must also be qmail servers and will the
users be able to read their messages from the internet???
Thanks again

Guillermo Villasana Cardoza wrote:
 
 Thanks a lot for all the help...
 I will try and see how it works :)
 
 Dave Sill wrote:
 
  Guillermo Villasana Cardoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have one Internet IP address .. which I use for my firewall behind
the
  firewall I have several internal servers... The problem is that each
  server will be a different web and mail server...
  
  eg.
  mailserver1.domain.com
  mailserver2.domain.com
  ...
  etc
  
  Each mail server with it's own users...
  
  Can this be done?
 
  Sure. You'll need to:
 
1) list mailserver1.domain.com, mailserver2.domain.com, etc in
   control/rcpthosts,
 
2) add entries like:
   mailserver1.domain.com:[IP of mailserver1]
   to control/smtproutes, and
 
3) set up MX records for mailserver1, mailserver2, ... pointing to
   the firewall.
 
  -Dave



Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis

2000-06-07 Thread Paul Schinder

At 4:54 PM +0100 6/7/00, Nuno Ferreira wrote:
Thanks,

Meanwhile I was able to get it working.

However, I still am unable to make maildrop work with QMail.
I have installed maildrop-0.76b, I have

the following in ~/.qmail
./Maildir/
| /var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/maildrop

and the folowing in ~/.mailfilter
DEFAULT="./Maildir/"
if ( /^(To|Cc|From|Reply-To): *@hotmail.com*/ )
{
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
}

I think maildrop is being called correctly, because I had a permission
problem that appeared in the logs and now it stopped appearing.
However, with this configuration, I [EMAIL PROTECTED] never gets any
message coming to me from hotmail.com.

The pattern above doesn't match any valid address from hotmail.com.
"man maildropfilter" and read again what kind of regular expressions
maildrop supports.

Maybe there's something wrong with the "if", but I can't see it. Furthermore
I think that with this configuration some mails (the ones from hotmail.com)
get thrown back into the queue and come back to me several times.

Looks to me that they'll be delivered twice, once by the ./Maildir/
in .qmail, and once by maildrop's default.


Is there anybody able to shed some light.

TIA


Nuno Ferreira
Departamento de Informática da APCMC
  Tel: 22 5074212
  Fax: 22 5074219
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
--
--
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Code 693
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: server load problem

2000-06-07 Thread Greg Owen

 I found out from top that mysqld is taking most of the
 cpu utilization. Now how to customize it? 

That's a better question for a MySQL list.  The problem can fall
into one of three categories:

1) MySQL itself has a bug which is being exercised and which needs fixing
2) Your company's code is inefficiently using MySQL and should be optimized
3) MySQL is fine, your code is fine, you just need more server for 24000
users

You'll need to find a MySQL resource that can help you with those
questions.  This list isn't it.

 Server is hanging up and it won't respond to ctrl-alt-del 

I would definitely raise that on a MySQL list.  I have never seen a
server with MySQL hit that failure mode, but my MySQL server experience was
with much smaller installations.  There are probably MySQL diagnostics and
logs which can help you figure out why things are getting that bad.

--
  gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]



take II: another set of q's

2000-06-07 Thread Judy Simon

Hello all,

did this note go out earlier today? if so, I apologize for the repeat...

Now that I have restored some order to my qmail system with the 
SIGHUP command (again THANKs to all who helped on that one...) I 
would like to know if it is possible to recover/deliver all the 
messages that are sitting in the bounced directory. Is there anyway 
of retrieving who tried to send to whom so I could do some sort of 
nice forwarded of those bounced emails to their intended recipients?

also, in what directory will i find this mail-log file for the error 
messages that have accumulated - i'm sure that there are many during 
that 2 day period...

finally, is anyone familiar with this error message -BTW is there a 
listing of all qmail error messages and their causes somewhere?

Failed to deliver to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
SMTP module(domain tap.co.il) reports:
  DNS Loop: MX-record mail.brainlink.com points back to us

thanks to all!
judy
-- 
Judy Simon
=
J-Town Productionsm, LTD
Jerusalem, Israel
-- 
Judy Simon
=
J-Town Productionsm, LTD
Jerusalem, Israel



FW: Ok, I'm an idiot...

2000-06-07 Thread VANTASSLE, GEORDON M. (AIT)

I must have missed something when setting up my installation...
 
I seem to have looped my "sendmail" around.  Can someone help me un-fsck
myself?
 
castle:/var/qmail/bin# ls -la /var/qmail/bin
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root9 Jun  1 12:41 /var/qmail/bin -
/usr/sbin

 
castle:/var/qmail/bin# ls -la sendmail
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   23 Jun  1 13:58 sendmail -
/var/qmail/bin/sendmail
 
I've spent half of today trying to find where in the docs to tell me what it
SHOULD be. :/
 
Sigh.  
 
Would appreciate assistance (even just "RTFM appropriate document")
 
Regards,
Geordon


Geordon VanTassle, MCP
Ameritech IVRU Support 

Phone: 847-248-2590


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qmailanalog and multilog

2000-06-07 Thread Ken Jones


Does anyone have a patch to qmailanalog to read
the new multilog time format?

Ken Jones
inter7



Re: qmailanalog and multilog

2000-06-07 Thread Ronny Haryanto

On 07-Jun-2000, Ken Jones wrote:
 Does anyone have a patch to qmailanalog to read
 the new multilog time format?

It's not a patch like you want, but in case you want to know how to
make it work:

I use a C program called tai64nfrac found on qmail.org to filter the
log before feeding to qmailanalog's matchup.

Ronny



Duplicates

2000-06-07 Thread Flemming Funch

Many subscribers have been reporting duplicate messages in the last few 
days from a couple of qmail servers I manage that send out a daily 
newsletter with a few hundred thousand subscribers.

Yet the logs only show one message delivered to any of those people. But 
usually several deferrals.

I figure my timeoutremote was set too low (60), so that it got delivered 
even though qmail-remote thought it timed out. So I now put it up to 600.

Does that make sense, or could there be other reasons for duplicates that 
don't show in the logs?

The servers are generally rather busy, with 2-500 remote processes and a 
system load of 4-6, and I think the ISP was having some bandwidth problems 
in the last few days.

- Flemming




Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis

2000-06-07 Thread Chris Johnson

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:54:18PM +0100, Nuno Ferreira wrote:
 and the folowing in ~/.mailfilter
 DEFAULT="./Maildir/"
 if ( /^(To|Cc|From|Reply-To): *@hotmail.com*/ )
 {
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 }

The regular expression isn't right. It'll match only addresses that start with
zero or more spaces, followed by @hotmail.co followed by zero or more m's.
That's not what you want.

Chris



group email information

2000-06-07 Thread Bill Parker

Hi All,

Here is something I would like to know how to do:

I have qmail 1.03, qmail-admin, vpopmail, and tcpserver installed
in my system.

I want to use a "group" email address so that when someone in my
office sends a mail to say "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", all the techs receive
this message, but not any other groups (my groups I would imagine would
be techguys, management, sports, etc)...can this be done with qmail?

-Bill




Re: group email information

2000-06-07 Thread Chris Johnson

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:06:03PM -0700, Bill Parker wrote:
   I want to use a "group" email address so that when someone in my
 office sends a mail to say "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", all the techs receive
 this message, but not any other groups (my groups I would imagine would
 be techguys, management, sports, etc)...can this be done with qmail?

Stick a whole bunch of e-mail addresses, one per line, in
~alias/.qmail-techguys. man dot-qmail for more.

Chris



Re: Anybody got the RPM for Qmail, pease send me eom

2000-06-07 Thread Kapil Nanda



Tushar

you can download from
ftp://ftp.u-aizu.ac.jp

the directory is 
/pub/net/qmail/msci-memphis.edu/var-qmail
file name is 
qmail-1.03-102memphis.src.rpm

Kapil

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:58 PM
Subject: Anybody got the RPM for Qmail, pease send 
me eom
 


Re: Script Required

2000-06-07 Thread Noel Mistula

Hi qmailers,

Attached is the modified version of my checkattach script.
This time it will check filenames like THIS.IS.A.VBS.VIRUS.txt.vbs
If you have comments please let me know.

cheers

Noel Mistula

-Original Message-
From: Erwin Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, 8 June 2000 5:32
Subject: Re: Script Required


Hi

I picked up the small skript "checkattach" from Noel G. Mistula and
modified to do "Subject:" type filtering.

Do the following:

1. Install the script in /usr/local/bin.
2. chmod +x checksubj
3. Add this skript into your user's .qmail files and - if applicable - into
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-default (first line:)

|/usr/local/bin/checksubj
~/Maildir/

etc.

4. Modify the subject text fields in "checksubj" to your needs, eg. add
"|*insurance*". The script evaluates the string case sensitive! It allows
wildcards, but be carefull!

5. The sender becomes the E-Mail bounced.
6. You can watch the results (and test the script) viewing your Maillog.

cheers.
eh.



#!/bin/bash
#
# qmail -- checkattach
# Author: Noel G. Mistula [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Date: 28 June 1999 Version: 0.1
# I appreciate any comment to this quick and dirty way of filtering attachment. 
#
# Modified: 7 July 1999 Version: 0.3
# Modified: 7 May 2000 Version: 0.4

# This is release under the GNU/GPL.
# This is a very crude program. Use at your own risk.
# This will bounce incoming email with executable,
# video and other attachments. Just remove/add 
# whichever filetype (e.g. EXE, AVI, COM) is required.
#
# I use this in a user's .qmail file
# by adding the line
# |/usr/local/bin/checkattach
# before the ./Maildir/
#
# Make sure to chmod 555 /usr/local/bin/checkattach
# so that qmail users can execute it.

# Start program here.
### This part is the new version (ver. 0.3)
printmsg () {
echo "The reason your email was rejected is you sent an attachment that can 
cause problems."
echo "Sorry, the attachment you sent is in violation of our company's policy 
because it can cause problems like virus, or increase traffic load, or delete file(s) 
and/or among others."
echo "Please disable HTML formatting when sending email because Visual Basic 
Script Worms/Virus normally exploits this."
echo "--- Attachment filetype you sent is $ATTYPE"
}

#
# Check for NOT allowed attachment.
# Here you can include more filetype you want.
#
checktype () {
case $ATTYPE in
VBS | VBE | JSE | CSS | WSH | SCT | HTA | VXD | EXE | HTM | DOT | HLP 
| PAK | DAT | PCX | PPS | COM | BAT | CMD | AVI | MOV | RAM | OCX | CAB | SHS | CLA | 
RA | BMP | MPE | MPG | MP3 | MP4 | WAV | AUD | AU | DLL)
printmsg $ATTYPE
exit 100;;
*)
;;
esac
}

#ATTACHTYPE=`grep "filename=" - | gawk '{split($NF, results, "."); 
r=toupper(results[2]); print r}' | cut -c -3`
Below doesn't work if more than 2 fields in name=
#ATTACHTYPE=`grep "name=" - | gawk '{split($NF, results, "."); r=toupper(results[3]); 
print r}' | cut -c -3`
 End of ver. 0.3

Below works OK
## This part is recently modified (7may2000) because I noticed that the gawk part in 
the
## ATTACHTYPE above, doesn't properly check when you have a filename like
## THIS.IS.A.VBS.VIRUS.txt.vbs
## The ATTACHTYPE below resolves this problem ;).
ATTACHTYPE=`grep "name=" - | gawk 'BEGIN {FS="."}; {print toupper($NF)}' | cut -c -3`
for ATTYPE in $ATTACHTYPE
do
checktype $ATTYPE
done
 End of ver. 0.4

exit 0



Re: Why not inetd?

2000-06-07 Thread Peter Samuel

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, John Gonzalez/netMDC admin wrote:

 On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Peter Samuel wrote:
 
 I've never seen this. How? What operating system? What version of
 inetd? You've got me curious now.
 
 Regards
 Peter
 --
 
 man inetd
 
 pop3 stream tcp nowait.120 root /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env..

Thanks for partially answering my question :) This works for linux, and
others have reported a similar mechanism for FreeBSD, however it
doesn't work for Solaris, and I'd be pretty sure it won't work for
HP/UX, OSF (or whatever Compaq are calling Digital Unix these days) and
any other commercial Unix.

Regards
Peter
--
Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical Consultantor at present:
eServ. Pty Ltd  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: +61 2 9206 3410  Fax: +61 2 9281 1301

"If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"




Re: tcpserver: unable to bind

2000-06-07 Thread clemensF

 Luca Zancan:

 What should I verify???

you have set up qmail somehow, so there is a line w.r.t. qmail in your
start up files.  you must have started two server processes, usually due to
a commandline ending in '' where it shouldn't.

clemens



Re: Web Tool for qmail

2000-06-07 Thread List

You can try SQWebmail at http://www.inter7.com/sqwebmail . 


This is what Nguyen Hong Son said:

 Dear all
 Thank you for helping me with the SMTP Auth patch, But if you know where to 
 get a tool (or package) for making a web-mail site for qmail, please tell me 
 .
 Thanks a lot
 
 
 Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
 



Re: Relaying to different hosts

2000-06-07 Thread Chris Johnson

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 09:43:16AM +0100, Jules Desforges wrote:
 Chris Johnson wrote:
  
  
   I can use the .qmail files to forward e-mail to another address,
   but how do you relay a messages onto another server without changing
   the envelope.
  
  I don't think you'll be able to. You can use smtproutes to override DNS and
  send a whole domain's mail somewhere else without changing the envelope, but I
  don't know of a way to do it with different addresses in the same domain.
  
  Why do you care if the envelope is changed? What you propose is trivial with
  .qmail files if you use forwarding, but the envelope recipient will change.
  
  Chris
 
 OK. Even if the envelope isn't changed I can't find a solution to this
 problem using .qmail files. If anyone can shed any light on this, it
 would be appreciated.

I assume you mean "even if the envelope is changed."

The example in your initial post was:

 I would like to send :-

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to server [x.y.z]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to server [p.q.r]

 .

 and finally any aliases that do not
 match are forwarded onto another server [d.e.f]

You might try this:

# echo '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  ~alias/.qmail-bill
# echo '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  ~alias/.qmail-ted
# echo '| forward "$DEFAULT"@example3.dom'  ~alias/.qmail-default

This assumes that blah.com is a local domain. You'll need to make the
appropriate adjustments if it's virtual (maybe use .qmail-blah-bill,
.qmail-blah-ted, and .qmail-blah-default).

This does use forwarding and the envelope recipient will change, but who cares?

Chris



Virtual Domains and MX Records

2000-06-07 Thread Andy Coates

Hi,

I'm totally stuck trying to get qmail working the way I want it to, and the more I try 
to change configurations the more I get mixed up.

The idea is that I have user.domain.co.uk as the virtual domain, so that 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is sent to a local mailbox. What I've done so far is:

made an MX record pointing to the domain.co.uk machine
in qmail/control/virtualdomain entered user.domain.co.uk:username
put user.domain.co.uk into rcpthosts
and sent a HUP to both named and qmail-send

Now reading the FAQ's and howto's etc I was led to believe that this would basically 
take the following steps:
1) mail arrives at domain.co.uk mail server
2) mail server has domain in its rcpthosts, good
3) is the domain in locals? no..
4) is the domain a virtualdomain? yes... deliver to username

And then username goes and checks his mail and there's the message.

At the moment I'm getting a:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong please? I hope its not something stupid 
I've forgot, apologies if it is.

TIA,
Andy.




Re: Virtual Domains and MX Records

2000-06-07 Thread Chris Johnson

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:46:22AM +0100, Andy Coates wrote:
 Now reading the FAQ's and howto's etc I was led to believe that this would
 basically take the following steps:
 1) mail arrives at domain.co.uk mail server
 2) mail server has domain in its rcpthosts, good
 3) is the domain in locals? no..
 4) is the domain a virtualdomain? yes... deliver to username
 
 And then username goes and checks his mail and there's the message.
 
 At the moment I'm getting a:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

There needs to be a .qmail-default file in ~username with delivery
instructions. If you want the default delivery instruction (which is probably
to deliver mail to ./Mailbox or ./Maildir/), just create an empty
.qmail-default file.

Chris



Re: Virtual Domains and MX Records

2000-06-07 Thread Andy Coates

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Andy Coates" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Virtual Domains and MX Records


 On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:46:22AM +0100, Andy Coates wrote:
  Now reading the FAQ's and howto's etc I was led to believe that this
would
  basically take the following steps:
  1) mail arrives at domain.co.uk mail server
  2) mail server has domain in its rcpthosts, good
  3) is the domain in locals? no..
  4) is the domain a virtualdomain? yes... deliver to username
 
  And then username goes and checks his mail and there's the message.
 
  At the moment I'm getting a:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

 There needs to be a .qmail-default file in ~username with delivery
 instructions. If you want the default delivery instruction (which is
probably
 to deliver mail to ./Mailbox or ./Maildir/), just create an empty
 ..qmail-default file.

Aargh thats it!! S close, I thought with the username in the
virtualdomain bit would just send it locally to username.

Thanks, I did just make an empty one and it works perfectly. Wow thats a
relief :-)

Later,
Andy.




sqwebmail with local accounts

2000-06-07 Thread John Stile

How do I use the web interface for accessing my real domain's user
accounts?
Virtual domains have no problems accessing mail, but this is so cool I
want to do it for my real accounts too.
Do I create a virtual domain, and add links to the home dir's of each
real unix account?
I tried to find it my self, and failed.  Just point me to the right doc.

The environment:
dns, qmail, checkpassword, deamontolls, vpopmail, sqwebmail, ezmlm,
autorespond, qmailadmin
using maildir, qmail-pop3d, qmail-smtpd

Thank you.




Re: qmailanalog and multilog

2000-06-07 Thread Russell Nelson

Ken Jones writes:
  
  Does anyone have a patch to qmailanalog to read
  the new multilog time format?

There's two (2) patches to create a program which accepts multilog
time format (tai64n) and rewrites it into fractional seconds (taifrac)
format.  They're listed on www.qmail.org.

-- 
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521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to
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