Re: Hot to add POP3 users to qmail? (newbie)

2001-08-13 Thread Anton Pirnat

yes, you for sure are right this questions are answered in a FAQ or lWQ
i guess ;)

qmail serves all unix users on your local system as .. umm local users
even :) 
They have to have a home dir and a Maildir (depending on your setup
using LWQ) as regular unix have, thats how it works. 

But, not just for the comfort, i recommend you using vpopmail
(www.inter7.com/vpopmail), because it supports so called virtual
domains. And also the main domain can be a virtual.

Whats the most advantage part of it, also on small systems? IMHO its
because, regular users do have its own UID and GID (user id group id),
virtual users (using vpopmail) only takes one UID/GID to manage them
all. 
Another advantage, there are good tools to administer them all with your
webbrowser. Just have a try at www.inter7.com/qmailadim. YOu can
add/del/ set their passwords etc etc.. 

hth
Anton Pirnat




Jean-Christian Imbeault wrote:
 
 I've gone throuhg lwq and have just finished installing qmail-pop3d and
 checkpassword for qmail. They seem to be working.
 
 However lwq is a little short on how to actually add POP3 user accounts. Can
 anyone point me to some documentation on how to add POP3 users? (If this is
 a FAQ or in lwq sorry for asking but I did look and couldn't find it).
 
 Also there aren't any local users, so I don't want to do anything like
 setting up a seperate $HOME/username directory for every user ... if
 avoidable.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jc
 
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Re: Converted

2001-07-27 Thread Anton Pirnat

Welcome Jon :)

Anton P.

Am Freitag, 27. Juli 2001 11:24 schrieben Sie:
 Hello list, my name is Jon and I am a new convert to qmail and just wanted
 to introduce myself. I hope to get up to speed and be able to contribute to
 this list soon.

 Jon Reynolds



Re: Qmail ADMIN!!! Please Help

2001-06-16 Thread Anton Pirnat

or even..it is the wrong version of vpopmail. I got the same message then. 
But all went well after upgrading vpopmail :)

hth
Anton Pirnat


On Friday 15 June 2001 07:44, Santosh Pasi wrote:
 Hi,

 gcc -I.   -g -O2 -c qmailadmin.c
 qmailadmin.c:30: vpopmail.h: No such file or directory

   ^

 qmailadmin.c:31: vauth.h: No such file or directory

   

 make[2]: *** [qmailadmin.o] Error 1

 On your system, there is no vpopmail.h and vauth.h file.
 try to get these files first(you may find in vpopmail src) and include
 it in proper path, may be /usr/include
 Regards,
 Santosh Pasi



 ---Original Message--
 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm

 Precedence: bulk
 From: Mike Jimenez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Qmail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Qmail ADMIN!!! Please Help
 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:18:42 -0700
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Importance: Normal
 
 Using the new vpopmail vpopmail-4.9.10.tar and the Qmail Admin
 qmailadmin-0.45.tar . I cannot get Qmail admin to compile?
 Here is the error message I recieve.
 What in the heck is going on ? I can compile qmailadmin-0.26.tar with no
 errors but I dont want to use that.
 Thanks
 Mike
 
 qmailadmin-0.45]#
 ./configure --enable-vpopuser=vpopmail

 --enable-cgibindir=/apache/cgi-bin --enable-htmldir=/usr/local/share
 --enable-vpopmaildir=/home/vpopmail/

 creating cache ./config.cache
 checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
 checking whether build environment is sane... yes
 checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
 checking for working aclocal... found
 checking for working autoconf... found
 checking for working automake... found
 checking for working autoheader... found
 checking for working makeinfo... found
 checking host system type... i686-unknown-linux
 checking for gcc... gcc
 checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
 checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
 checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
 checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
 checking for ranlib... ranlib
 checking for POSIXized ISC... no
 checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
 checking for AIX... no
 checking for crypt in -lcrypt... yes
 checking for crypt in -lshadow... no
 checking for floor in -lm... yes
 checking for gethostbyaddr in -lnsl... yes
 checking for getsockname in -lsocket... no
 cat: /home/vpopmail//etc/inc_deps: No such file or directory
 cat: /home/vpopmail//etc/lib_deps: No such file or directory
 checking for ezmlm-idx... no
 checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes
 checking for opendir in -ldir... no
 checking for ANSI C header files... yes
 checking for unistd.h... yes
 checking for working const... yes
 checking for size_t... yes
 checking whether struct tm is in sys/time.h or time.h... time.h
 checking for getcwd... yes
 checking for mkdir... yes
 checking for strdup... yes
 checking for strstr... yes
 updating cache ./config.cache
 creating ./config.status
 creating Makefile
 creating config.h
 qmailadmin-0.45]# make
 make  all-recursive
 make[1]: Entering directory `/installers/qmailadmin-0.45'
 make[2]: Entering directory `/installers/qmailadmin-0.45'
 gcc -I.   -g -O2 -c qmailadmin.c
 qmailadmin.c:30: vpopmail.h: No such file or directory
 qmailadmin.c:31: vauth.h: No such file or directory
 make[2]: *** [qmailadmin.o] Error 1
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/installers/qmailadmin-0.45'
 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/installers/qmailadmin-0.45'
 make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
 
 ==
 Mike Jimenez
 System Administrator
 Visual Perspectives Internet, Inc. (VPI.Net)
 Tel: (949) 595-8622 -- Fax: (949) 595-8629
 http://www.vpi.net
 ==



Re: reboot

2001-05-11 Thread Anton Pirnat

It is not the default init your system started up, depening from your 
distribution this maybe be a different one. Have a look at 
http://www.lifewithqmail.org and read the Life with Qmail doc there. You 
will get the needed ln -s´s and many other helpful information on how to 
start your qmail experience.

hope this helps
Anton Pirnat

btw.. next time it would be helpful you also are telling us what kind of OS 
(... Linux?, ...BSD?) and Version you are working with.  It is often 
important, because (in example) file paths are different sometimes. :)


On Friday 11 May 2001 10:09, colette tostivint wrote:
 Hi

 Qmail doesn't run when i reboot my system.

 I make a link : ln -s ../init.d/qmail /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail

 I must start manually /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail .

 What is the problem?

 Thank you

 Colette Tostivint



strange behaviour at (some) virtual domains..

2001-05-03 Thread Anton Pirnat

we are using a qmail, vpopmail server (default install, no locals only 
virtual domains and roaming users enabled) and some of our customers do have 
more than one domain. In this cases our last sysadmin made a symlink instead 
of using the virtualdomains control file. He just added the domain using 
vadddomain, then deleted the domain dir and made a ln -s .. This way it was 
working well.
rcpthosts did contain some like..
--
domain1.tld
domain2.tld
--

and virtualdomains did contain..
--
domain1.tld:domain1.tld
domain2.tld:domain2.tld
---

Now i wanted to remove this links and add the domains in my virtualdomains 
file instead, but it only works for some of the domains!!!
so i did remove the ln and did change the virtualdomaisn file it now shows 
some like..
--
domain1.tld:domain1.tld
domain2.tld:domain1.tld
---

This is made for umm..4-5 main domains, and in near all cases it works. Even 
not in all of them!!!

In two cases it does not work, and i have no clue why it doesn´t work!
I also did check our NS, and a lookup works well for all domains. I all cases 
it point to the main domain IP. However qmail wont accept mails and bounces 
them back..

..a part of the failure message i get back..
---
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.pop-stuttgart.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
lange:blueflame.com:blueflame.de

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
---

in this case i had blueflame.de and blueflame.com in my rcpthosts.. and 
blueflame.com:blueflame.com and blueflame.de:blueflame.com in my 
virtualdomains file.

The strange part is, it works for other domains, even not for this and a 2.nd 
one.  Maybe there is someout out i am missing? Any hints/tips out there?


regards from South Germany

Anton Pirnat








Re: Where is Dave Sill??

2000-12-05 Thread Anton Pirnat

Am Mon, 04 Dez 2000 schrieb Ould:
 I'm asking if anyone using  "Live with qmail" find the
 following error:
 
 "supervise:fatal:unable to start qmail-smptd/run:
  exec format error". 

check the permissions of the supervise files 
(must be under /var/qmail/supervise/... if you were using LWQ install) 


regards 
Anton Pirnat



Re: Deleting outgoing message from queue

2000-12-05 Thread Anton Pirnat

the whole queue.. or just one single message?

--
stop qmail
remove queue dir
run "make setup" und qmail source dir  (this rebuild the queue structure)
start qmail
--

regards

anton

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Am Die, 05 Dez 2000 schrieb Jan Knepper:
 Hi!
 
 Does any of you know if there is a way to delete an outgoing
 message from the queue?
 I have been checking the man pages, but a qmail-delete would be
 great
 
 Thanks!
 Jan



Re: Thank you very much

2000-12-01 Thread Anton Pirnat

Am Don, 30 Nov 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
 Louis Mushandu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ...cerebrally...sphincter...petulant...commensurate...intelligentsia...
 
 Wow, Louis, you sure do use some purdy fancy words for a newbie.
 
 -Dave


they really are fancy ones, i only knew one of them ;)

Anton Pirnat




Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) end of thread

2000-12-01 Thread Anton Pirnat

Just a recommendation..

Book Title: "Pragmatics of Human Communication"
Author: Paul Watzlawik a.o.
ISBN:   0393010090

and now back to work..


Anton Pirnat



Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

2000-12-01 Thread Anton Pirnat

you didn´ t tell what services you need besides qmail, but i guess a minimal
install (that includes the compilers) should be enough. I am not used with RH
distribution, but at FBSD, SuSE and others it did work this way for me ..

regards

Anton Pirnat

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Re: Bye

2000-12-01 Thread Anton Pirnat

sorry to hear that, and i complete do understand and agree with you. It is a
childish behaviour and should stop asap. We are no kids, and should respect
others as they are. All of us started as a newbie this way or another.

I hope the wave is gone soon and we all can go back helping others.

hope to hear you soon again..

best regards

Anton Pirnat

btw.. now, if i don´ t watch my englisch non-native grammar and i don´ t
watch the quoting laws and i have a way-to-long footer as i am of course
off topic now ;) You ever heard about someone who tried to translate your LWQ
to german? If not, so maybe i´ ll get some time off to do so til (oops a
slangy typo) the end of the year. Just let me know..



Am Fre, 01 Dez 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
 I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
 tolerance improves dramatically.
 
 Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
 
 -Dave
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Re: qmail 1.04

2000-11-09 Thread Anton Pirnat

sounds to be a great idea. First time i tried installing qmail i got confused
because i didn´ t know what patches/add-ons are worth a look at or even not
needed in a default install. Putting all (most needde parts) into a well
documented one would be a great thing.. imho :)

Anton Pirnat



Am Don, 09 Nov 2000 schrieb Russell Nelson:
 We need a qmail 1.04.  The instructions in INSTALL are out of date.
 People should be told to use ucspi-tcp and daemontools.  The software
 is fine.  It's just the documentation that needs to change.  As
 always, I'm happy to do the work, if Dan is too busy.
 
 Why am I so adament that qmail-1.04 MUST be released?  To reduce
 support costs and help people more quickly.  A potential customer sent
 me the following question:
 
Is there any way or any command by which i can mannually push all
the mails to required destination which r there in the queue.
 
 Of course it's a FAQ, but I would really *really* like to tell him
 ``Just do this: svc -a /service/qmail''.  I can't do that, though,
 because not everyone installs qmail that way.  Instead, I have to tell 
 him "You have to send an alarm signal to qmail-send."  And he has to
 figure out how to do that on his system.
 
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Re: Moving the qmail directory

2000-11-07 Thread Anton Pirnat

it is no problem moving qmail, with the exception of the queue dir. 
So just..
stop qmail
move qmail
set symlinks
start qmail
should work ..

hth
Anton



 Am Die, 07 Nov 2000 schrieb Michael Maier:
 Filip Salomonsson wrote:
 
  If I move /var/qmail to /export/qmail, and replace it with a symbolic
  link pointing to the new location, is there anything that might cause
  things to explode into my face?
 
 Hmm, if you place symlink and then move nothing should happen.
 But to be sure I would wait until the queue is empty and then move so it's
 sure there will be no lost data!
 CU,
  Michael..
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Re: Re: Users all of a sudden have to download all email from server???

2000-09-21 Thread Anton Pirnat


had one customer with a smiliar thing.. no matter what mail servers were
using, it seems to be a Outlook related problem. As far we could see this
behaviour only causes if someone tries not to delete the mails after
reading them through Outlook. So sometimes Outlook gets only the new one..
or even all again in one bunch. This never happened with other mail
clients. 

Anton
 



On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Dave Sill wrote:
 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Users all of a sudden have to download all email from
 server???
 
 Dan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have salesmen that connect to my server via dialup.  They are using
 MS Outlook 97.  Yes, I know its not very good, but does what we need it
 to do.
 
 I have their accounts setup to not delete their email from the
 server.
 
 How?
 
 Now all of a sudden, they are downloading all of their e-mail, as if
 this was the first time they ever accessed their accounts from their
 boxes.  I can't find anything fishy in log files other than their
 messages listed as New.  Anyone have any ideas as to what might be
 happening?
 
 Insufficient data. What server are they accessing to retrieve their
 mail?  qmail-pop3d? Some other POP3 daemon? An IMAP daemon?
 
 -Dave
 



oops.. i am sorry...

2000-09-21 Thread Anton Pirnat

i am sorry..
my email client crashed and i had to set up a new one asap. 
But did copy the "outgoing" folder into the "output" one  by mistake..

i am sorry for this ..  :((

Anton Pirnat



Re: Re: Users all of a sudden have to download all email from server???

2000-07-13 Thread Anton Pirnat


had one customer with a smiliar thing.. no matter what mail servers were
using, it seems to be a Outlook related problem. As far we could see this
behaviour only causes if someone tries not to delete the mails after
reading them through Outlook. So sometimes Outlook gets only the new one..
or even all again in one bunch. This never happened with other mail
clients. 

Anton
 



On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Dave Sill wrote:
 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Users all of a sudden have to download all email from
 server???
 
 Dan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have salesmen that connect to my server via dialup.  They are using
 MS Outlook 97.  Yes, I know its not very good, but does what we need it
 to do.
 
 I have their accounts setup to not delete their email from the
 server.
 
 How?
 
 Now all of a sudden, they are downloading all of their e-mail, as if
 this was the first time they ever accessed their accounts from their
 boxes.  I can't find anything fishy in log files other than their
 messages listed as New.  Anyone have any ideas as to what might be
 happening?
 
 Insufficient data. What server are they accessing to retrieve their
 mail?  qmail-pop3d? Some other POP3 daemon? An IMAP daemon?
 
 -Dave
 



q: vacation message.. qmail-vacation..

2000-06-02 Thread Anton PIrnat

hi there,

anyone who tried out qmail-vacation script (Peter Samuel) together with vpopmail? As 
far i can see it wont use virtual
domains as vpopmail is used to do...

i got the mail.. but no vacation message, nor any failure in my logs
(var/log/messages, var/log/mail). 

I tried several changes and also several .qmail-user files..

current one contains a..

--".qmail-u_name"--
| /usr/local/bin/vacation -j username
/var/qmail/vpopmail/domains/domain/


and i´d also put a ".vacation.msg " into 
/var/qmail/vpopmail/domains/domain/u_name
and .. (just to make sure its not my old brain)
/var/qmail/vpopmail/domains/d_name/u_name/Maildir/

At the vacation makefile i´d set up qmail mailbox file at .. $$home/Maildir (i
guess its one of the probs i have..).

I assume i only have to change less at the vacation perl script, but dunno
where to serach for and what to put in, i guess i am getting older.
Maybe there is a list with all valid qmail ENV variables that helps?

I can.. cook homemade noodles and jelly (not together), repair cars and build
computers, build up networks, support our customers and lots others.. but have
less scripting perl knowledge (yet, but i am hardly working on...)


What i forgot to ask for now? Isn´t it time to leave work now? it seems to be..


regards 

Anton Pirnat


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Re: How I can send messages to my ISP - NEW PROBLEM

2000-05-27 Thread Anton PIrnat

dunno about serialmail.. but
  " unable to connect to  194.247.192.52 on port 25: host unreachable"

this is a typical network related error message. Caused by a broken network or
service. 

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Re: Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread Anton Pirnat

Hello,

i guess there are (at least) two answers with both same result, but 
one is funnier..

1.) Netscape Communicator and MS Outlok boes do support Maildir 
format..

2.) It (should) does no matter what client (MUA, mail user agent) 
your´e using, they all are »knocking« on the mail-servers door to ask 
for its mail if there is any. As far i know, if a mail client accesses 
this directories directly (like some unix clients do if youre on the 
same network) so this may cause problems.


a.) am i under 10 typos per line (including this one) now?
b.) am i right?
c.) is there any life before breakfast?


Regards from Stuttgart, Germany (not Arkansas nor Kansas)

Anton Pirnat



 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 

Am 24.05.00, 14:43:40, schrieb "Próspero, Esteban" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] zum Thema Mail clients and Maildir format:


 Does anybody know if mail clients like Netscape Communicator or MS 
Outlook
 support the Maildir format? I haven't found out how...

 Thanks in advance!
 Esteban Javier Próspero






Re: ip address scheme

2000-05-18 Thread Anton Pirnat

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 

Am 19.05.00, 01:54:23, schrieb kapil sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
zum Thema ip address scheme:


 Hi,
 I am implementing a fresh Intranet for our organization. i am 
assigning
 the following IP scheme:
 IP address range: 192.168.254.1- 192.168.254.254
 netmask : 254.254.254.0
 Is there any mistake in this scheme. Please help!!

yep.. the netmsak (as most other things at computers do) start its 
counting at 0 til 255 (256 possible values) . So it must be an 
255.255.255.0 in your case. 


hth

Anton Pirnat


Does it belong to qmail? (is there a given trademark for that 
sentence, Dave?)






Re: ETRN

2000-05-08 Thread Anton Pirnat

Have a look for »serialmail« at the qmail pages (www.qmail.org) or 
even at http://cr.yp.to/serialmail.html 

hth

Anton Pirnat


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 

Am 07.05.00, 16:21:27, schrieb Tomasz Antczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] zum 
Thema ETRN:


 Hello. Is any way to add ETRN support for my qmail ? any patches or 
ideas
 ?

 Thx, thom






Re: how to stop subscription

2000-05-08 Thread Anton Pirnat


To unsubsribe just send an empty message to
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Am 07.05.00, 14:35:09, schrieb Anthony Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] zum Thema 
how to stop subscription:


 hi,

 i want to unsubscribe to this service, whom should i
 email to?

 thanks.


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Re: AntiVirus packages.

2000-04-27 Thread Anton Pirnat

There are different ways to do so.. have a look at
http://satan.oih.rwth-aachen.de/AMaViS/amavis.html

hth 

Anton Pirnat

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 

Am 27.04.00, 14:24:14, schrieb "Steve Peace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
zum Thema AntiVirus packages.:


 Does anybody know of a good antivirus package I can put on my RedHat 
6.1,
 Qmail 1.03 server that may possibly be able to scan incoming messages 
for
 viruses?  If not I guess I will have to trust my users to not download 
and
 execute any questionable attachments and actually trust them to scan 
there
 own PCs for viruses every so often.

 Thanks,
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Q: ETRN + Qmail

2000-04-26 Thread Anton Pirnat

Hi there,

someone of our customers was asking for ETRN support but i haven´ t
seen anything about it on qmail docs nor other sources. It seems there
are different views about ETRN and its possible dis-/advantages. As
most/lots providers are paid by a time based fee so maybe they have no
reason so save time to their customer. However, the main pro for ETRN
would be for dial-up connections that host its own mail servers on
their side.

I only found a (seems to be) outdated website for »ETRN for qmail
0.1f, 1998« but nothing else.

Anyone who can tell me more or hint me some more URLs/Sources about
ETRN and/or ETRN and qmail? Or there are some reasons not to use ETRN?
Any hints are welcome!



Regards

Anton Pirnat


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Geesh.. am i under 10 typos per line now?