Re: Fwd: Re: More trouble
Aaron, I am very sorry it won't happen again. I was really quite upset by Mr. McKenna's attitude. I questioned as aspect of his HOWTO and he became very personal and insulting. I have had a great deal of help from this list and wouldn't have got my system running without it. His attitude was quite shocking to me, I hope though that it is not typical. Cheers "Howie" "Aaron L. Meehan" wrote: > Quoting Howard Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > >Oh and I posted this to the mailing list as well. I am sure everybody > > >will be interested! in your behaviour!! > > Excuse me, Howie, but STOP posting private messages to the list > just to spite people. We have some real work to do here. Goodness. > > Aaron
Fwd: Re: More trouble
>Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:59:04 -0800 >To: Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: More trouble >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yes, well it's remarkably easy to talk big when you on the other side of >the Atlantic isn't it? I haven't at any stage been rude to anybody. > >I may be no expert, but that does not in any way shape or form give you >the right to talk to me in that manner. You might like to think about the >impression you are giving to somebody new to the Unix world - a great start! > >Grow up, and get a grip on yourself. You are obviously a professional >person. I am disgusted! > >Oh and I posted this to the mailing list as well. I am sure everybody >will be interested! in your behaviour!! > >At 11:30 03/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >>On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:16:55PM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: >> > Well, we all had to start somewhere didn't we? Did you know everything >> > about MTAs the first time you installed one? I am almost completely >> new to >> > Unix systems but have had many years experience on various other >> platforms. >> > I am the first to admit that I am used to commercial, expensively >> > documented and supported software and am finding the Open Source ideas >> > quite a culture shock. I did in fact read everything I could find about >> > qmail and its peripheral programs, but it isn't so easy when everything I >> > read told me to install it in a different way. What else was I suppose >> to do? >> > >> > I have got qmail working now. I have a few little bugs to sort out but >> I'm >> > sure that I will. This would not have been possible without the kind help >> > of a number of people on the mailing list who solved my problems. They >> > didn't have to help me at all of course! If you are sure your script >> works >> > then great, it most certainly is something I have done wrong but nobody >> > came up with a better explanation than chopping out all the delivery >> rules >> > except the ./Maildir/ bit (which I do understand BTW) >> > >> > Anyway, just you wait until I'm a Unix expert You might need to >> give me >> > a few years though at this rate. >> >>Maybe by then you'll realize how rude it is to take a private e-mail and post >>it to a mailing list. >> >>Fucking asshole. >> >>--Adam >> >>-- >>Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "No matter how much it changes, >>http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires >>GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." >> 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ >> 11:28am up 146 days, 9:44, 9 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00
Re: More trouble
Well, we all had to start somewhere didn't we? Did you know everything about MTAs the first time you installed one? I am almost completely new to Unix systems but have had many years experience on various other platforms. I am the first to admit that I am used to commercial, expensively documented and supported software and am finding the Open Source ideas quite a culture shock. I did in fact read everything I could find about qmail and its peripheral programs, but it isn't so easy when everything I read told me to install it in a different way. What else was I suppose to do? I have got qmail working now. I have a few little bugs to sort out but I'm sure that I will. This would not have been possible without the kind help of a number of people on the mailing list who solved my problems. They didn't have to help me at all of course! If you are sure your script works then great, it most certainly is something I have done wrong but nobody came up with a better explanation than chopping out all the delivery rules except the ./Maildir/ bit (which I do understand BTW) Anyway, just you wait until I'm a Unix expert You might need to give me a few years though at this rate. Howard Miller (Long suffering NT - yes NT - sysadmin/developer) At 10:47 03/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 09:16:24AM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: > > Not a clue, but it still didn't work for me, my system was trying to send > > to " __./Maildir/" (the underscores are for real). It was help from > guys on > > the qmail mailing list that suggested that the rc script didn't look > > correct. Getting rid of all the do-forward stuff got it working. To be > > honest (and excuse my ignorance, I am an MTA newbie) I don't see what > > dot-forward does anyway, my system seems to do what I need without it. > I am > > not upgrading from sendmail however. > >I've seen your posts on the qmail mailing list, and it's obvious that you >don't know what you're doing. If you don't know what a program does, then >you certainly shouldn't be installing it on your system, regardless of what >some HOWTO says. > > > Howard > > > > PS I have got lots and lots of real work to do. If I send you an email > > amout your HOWTO its because I am trying to help. I followed your > otherwise > > excellent howto to the letter - it is quite clear and easy to follow, but > > it didn't work. I am sure other people will have similar problems. > >Funny, you're the only person who's had this particular problem. I've set up >almost all of my customers with that exact same /var/qmail/rc and I've never >had a problem. > >--Adam
Me yet again - qmailadmin this time
I may be posting this in the wrong place - sorry if so. I am trying to install qmailadmin, I run the ./configure script and it complains that it can't find my autoresponder binary. Err... what is it going on about. What does an autoresponder binary look like, am I likely to have one, and if not where do I get one. Thank you once again.
Re: Sorry, me again still confused
Sorry, forget the bit about password veriification, I got the right bit in the INSTALL for vpopmail!! I really just need to know what the best thing to do with the pop3 startup script is. Ta At 13:49 02/11/00 -0800, you wrote: >Sorry guys, need a bit of advice. > >I have (at last) the basic system working properly, and now I need to add >POP3. If you don't mind I will ask about a few things I don't get before I >go off and screw it all up again. > >I need... > >POP3/SMTP access for virtual users, no local users at all >Web access to mail boxes >Web user administration would be nice > >I have looked at the vpopmail package and its addons qmailadmin and >sqwebmail, which seem ideal - any comments here. > >Bearing this in mind I am not sure how to set up qmail-pop3d. I have read >the section in the FAQ but I am not sure. It advises add the line > > tcpserver 0 110 blah blah blah... > >to my startup scripts. Wouldn't normally stop me, but I am using this >daemontools thing to start the rest of qmail. So what should I do here. > >Will the default setup i.e. using /bin/checkpassword work with the >vpopmail package. I am really confused about user/password authorisation - >there seems to be very little info about it. Can you help me with the >minimum working config to get me started. > >Thanks again > >Howard >
Sorry, me again still confused
Sorry guys, need a bit of advice. I have (at last) the basic system working properly, and now I need to add POP3. If you don't mind I will ask about a few things I don't get before I go off and screw it all up again. I need... POP3/SMTP access for virtual users, no local users at all Web access to mail boxes Web user administration would be nice I have looked at the vpopmail package and its addons qmailadmin and sqwebmail, which seem ideal - any comments here. Bearing this in mind I am not sure how to set up qmail-pop3d. I have read the section in the FAQ but I am not sure. It advises add the line tcpserver 0 110 blah blah blah... to my startup scripts. Wouldn't normally stop me, but I am using this daemontools thing to start the rest of qmail. So what should I do here. Will the default setup i.e. using /bin/checkpassword work with the vpopmail package. I am really confused about user/password authorisation - there seems to be very little info about it. Can you help me with the minimum working config to get me started. Thanks again Howard
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
Dh! Did you ever have one of those days?? Well spotted that man... thanks. HM At 23:35 02/11/00 +1100, you wrote: >On Thu, 02 Nov 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > OK!!! Progress > > > > with the new stripped down /var/qmail/rc file it works providing the > > message is sent through SMTP. > > > > qmail-inject still doesn't work. If I echo to it the message just > > vanishes. If I use mail (via the sendmail wrapper I presume) I get > > an error. > >That's because you overwrote it, fool! Remember when you tried to echo >something > /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject? Well, you overwrote the file >with that (I was hoping it was a typo). Reinstall that file. In the >future, use | instead of >. > >Brett. >-- >"Microsoft Works." > >- Oxymoron
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
OK!!! Progress with the new stripped down /var/qmail/rc file it works providing the message is sent through SMTP. qmail-inject still doesn't work. If I echo to it the message just vanishes. If I use mail (via the sendmail wrapper I presume) I get an error. Anyway... root@sql:/var/qmail/bin > ls -lsa qmail-inject 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root qmail 31 Nov 2 11:58 qmail-inject ..any bright ideas. I am off now to try and implement POP3 and virtual users. I have of course only a vague idea of what I am doing so you will all no doubt be hearing from me! Thanks for all the help so far, its appreciated! Howard PS. I sooo wish I can spelt problem correctly in the subject line >On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:31:16AM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: > > Mmmmr > > The extra dot in the rc file was a typing error, but I have changed the > > layout to your suggestion. > >Give us the rc file again. > > > dot-forward:_fatal:_unable_to_re > > ad_./Maildir/:_is_a_directory/ > > > > It strikes me that dot-forward is complaining that Maildir is a directory, > > which is odd as it should be! > >It means that dot-forward (the program) is trying to read Maildir (the >dir) as .forward (the file). I guess your command-line aruments to >dot-forward are jumbled. > > > What is dot-forward? If it is something to do with local delivery is it > > perhaps ignorant of Maildir directories? Should I have a different > setup here? > >Replace the entire quoted string that contains dot-qmail with ./Maildir/ > > > The only explanation I can find is that it enables support for Sendmail > > .forward files. Which is fine, but I have no clue what a sendmail .forward > > file is. I am new to Unix MTAs completely. > >Good! No sendmail-isms to confuse you. > > > sendmail: fatal: unable to run qmail-inject > >ls -lsa qmail-inject, please. > >-Johan >-- >Johan Almqvist
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
I did it like this because it is in the HOWTO, I don't understand what those parameters do! I am off to try your version, wish me luck! Thanks, Howard At 22:41 02/11/00 +1100, you wrote: >On Thu, 02 Nov 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What is dot-forward? If it is something to do with local delivery is > > it perhaps ignorant of Maildir directories? Should I have a > > different setup here? > >Yes...what are you using the dot-forward line for? > >exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ >qmail-start ./Maildir/ > >is all you should need (if you are using tcpserver, supervise, etc). >-- >"Give no sleep to your eyes, >Nor slumber to your eyelids." > >- Proverbs 6:4, NKJV
Re: maildir2mbox doesn't work
Yes,yes,yes, I have been made to look stupid with this one quite enough thank you. It does work, I agree! In my haste, the exports when clean out of my head. Stoopid!!! Unix - too much to remember! Howard At 12:13 02/11/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ > > >MAIL=$HOME/mbox > > >MAILTMP=$HOME/.mailtemp > > >maildir2mbox > > Error. MAILTMP not set (or something like that) > >Did you ever hear about the difference between environment variables and >shell variables? > >You need to do > >export MAILDIR >export MAIL >export MAILTMP > >Regards; Frank
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
Mmmmr The extra dot in the rc file was a typing error, but I have changed the layout to your suggestion. I did echo to: howard >/var/qmail/qmail-inject again The log file for this looks like... @40003a014cd1031b95ec status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a014d5616ba61dc starting delivery 1: msg 828300 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] rketingms.com @40003a014d5616bca3fc status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a014d561c0681d4 delivery 1: deferral: dot-forward:_fatal:_unable_to_re ad_./Maildir/:_is_a_directory/ @40003a014d561c088d44 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 It strikes me that dot-forward is complaining that Maildir is a directory, which is odd as it should be! What is dot-forward? If it is something to do with local delivery is it perhaps ignorant of Maildir directories? Should I have a different setup here? The only explanation I can find is that it enables support for Sendmail .forward files. Which is fine, but I have no clue what a sendmail .forward file is. I am new to Unix MTAs completely. Getting very miserable... can anybody please help!?!?! Thanks... Howard PS. If I run mail user@domain, to send to our other mail server (which worked yesterdat), I now get a message sendmail: fatal: unable to run qmail-inject so things seem to be getting worse not better! At 11:57 02/11/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Howard, > >Howard Miller wrote: > >>my system is set up as >> >cat /var/qmail/alias/.qmail* >>howard >>howard >>howard > >change this to >&howard > > >> >cat /var/qmail/rc >>#!/bin/sh >>exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ >>qmail-start '|dot-forward .forward >>../Maildir/' > >i'd say it should read: > >exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ >qmail-start '|dot-forward .forward ./Maildir/' >^^^ >Note that there is only one dot before the slash. > >Ciao, > >Cyril >
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
OK, my system is set up as >cat /var/qmail/alias/.qmail* howard howard howard >cat /var/qmail/rc #!/bin/sh exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ qmail-start '|dot-forward .forward ./Maildir/' I do NOT have a .qmail file in my home directory. the rc script is copied as is from the HOWTO. I must confess that the parameters of the qmail-start are completely beyond me, so I have no way myself of verifying their correctness. I have read the man page for qmail-start, but it doesn't help me at all. Hope somebody can work out what the problem is from this. Thanks. At 17:37 01/11/00 +, you wrote: >On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 05:16:39PM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: > > > > @40003a0045093331184c status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 > > @40003a0045e80101975c new msg 828393 > > @40003a0045e80101d9c4 info msg 828393: bytes 223 from > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 9697 uid 0 > > @40003a0045e803ac6054 starting delivery 1: msg 828393 to local > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > @40003a0045e803ac8f34 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 > > @40003a0045e807f3c634 new msg 828395 > > @40003a0045e807f400cc info msg 828395: bytes 333 from > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 9701 uid 500 > > @40003a0045e809f0b744 starting delivery 2: msg 828395 to local > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Can you post your /var/qmail/rc file (or however you start qmail) here? This >line is totally wrong. No surprise you are not getting any mail... > >-- >Timo Geusch > >Empower Interactive Group Ltd >5/7 St. Helen's Place >London EC3A 6AU
Re: Prolem (carefully) explained
I forgot to mention that all of the /var/qmail/alias files point to 'Howard' so if it can't deliver to me then it will bounce like mad (as it is doing). I don't have a .qmail file. I thought that I wouldn't need one, as Maildir delivery is supposed to be the default. I will have a close look at the /var/qmail/rc file tomorrow when I get to work, if I don't spot anything I will post it and see if anybody can spot the problem. Thanks so far for everybody's input Howard Charles Cazabon wrote: > Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have a user id 'howard' home directory /home/howard/. I have used > > makemaildir (logged on as howard) to create /home/howard/Maildir (same > > capitilisation as in the rc script - yes?) > > maildirmake, I think you mean. > > > If I type >mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (existing sendmail server) the > > message promptly gets there. > > > > If I try the test line in TEST.deliver, i.e. >echo to: howard | > > /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject the message vanishes. > [...] > > @40003a0045e809f0b744 starting delivery 2: msg 828395 to local > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [...] > > @40003a0045e80a6cc12c delivery 2: failure: > > Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/ > > This looks suspicious, as if the .qmail file contained spaces before what > you intend to be a Maildir delivery -- qmail sees a character which is not > a path and tries to forward the message. > > Remove the spaces in the appropriate .qmail file for howard. > > Charles > -- > --- > Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ > Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. > ---
Prolem (carefully) explained
OK I need your help, and I will be polite this time. I have installed qmail as per Adam McKenna's howto. I have checked my work, and unless I have severely not understood something it is correct. I have used maildirs as I wish to use qmail-pop3d, but I haven't done anything about that at the moment. My /var/qmail/rc script is as described in the howto. I have run the daemontools stuff, qmail is running with lots of nice looking processes. I have a user id 'howard' home directory /home/howard/. I have used makemaildir (logged on as howard) to create /home/howard/Maildir (same capitilisation as in the rc script - yes?) If I type >mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (existing sendmail server) the message promptly gets there. If I try the test line in TEST.deliver, i.e. >echo to: howard | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject the message vanishes. I have checked the log which is a bit big but I will add to the end of the message. The crux seems to be that it can't find a delivery mailbox anywhere and the message bounces around until it deletes it. My Maildir directory permissions are read and write for me only. I tried making then read/write for everybody but it made no difference... what should the permissions be? Anyway here are the logs, and thank you in advance for any ideas. I think myself that I have not quite got the idea of setting up Maildirs, an idiots explanation might not go far wrong! (PS This is just a bit of the log but you should get the idea, most of this is for ONE message, even though it looks like there is more than one - odd!. note that it is trying to deliver to something called __/.Maildir/ what is that?) @40003a0045093331184c status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e80101975c new msg 828393 @40003a0045e80101d9c4 info msg 828393: bytes 223 from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 9697 uid 0 @40003a0045e803ac6054 starting delivery 1: msg 828393 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e803ac8f34 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e807f3c634 new msg 828395 @40003a0045e807f400cc info msg 828395: bytes 333 from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 9701 uid 500 @40003a0045e809f0b744 starting delivery 2: msg 828395 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e809f0ea0c status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e809f1017c delivery 1: success: did_0+1+1/qp_9701/ @40003a0045e809f118ec status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e809f1305c end msg 828393 @40003a0045e80a6cc12c delivery 2: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/ @40003a0045e80a6d1334 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e80ce39d2c bounce msg 828395 qp 9704 @40003a0045e80ce5c3f4 end msg 828395 @40003a0045e80cecb164 new msg 828393 @40003a0045e80cef3204 info msg 828393: bytes 907 from <> qp 9704 uid 508 @40003a0045e80f90c39c starting delivery 3: msg 828393 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e80f925dc4 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e813d8a67c new msg 828395 @40003a0045e813dba804 info msg 828395: bytes 1017 from <> qp 9708 uid 500 @40003a0045e815d3844c starting delivery 4: msg 828395 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e815d52644 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e815d7935c delivery 3: success: did_0+1+1/qp_9708/ @40003a0045e815da8544 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e815de4e04 end msg 828393 @40003a0045e81646d3d4 delivery 4: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/ @40003a0045e8164ca804 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e818cd57a4 bounce msg 828395 qp 9711 @40003a0045e818cf66fc end msg 828395 @40003a0045e818d66bdc new msg 828393 @40003a0045e818d8e894 info msg 828393: bytes 1499 from <#@[]> qp 9711 uid 508 @40003a0045e81b7a5ed4 starting delivery 5: msg 828393 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e81b7bf514 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e81ec3f80c new msg 828395 @40003a0045e81ec6c2e4 info msg 828395: bytes 1611 from <#@[]> qp 9714 uid 502 @40003a0045e8213e1fcc starting delivery 6: msg 828395 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e8213fb60c status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e821427914 delivery 5: success: did_0+1+0/qp_9714/ @40003a0045e82145632c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e82149241c end msg 828393 @40003a0045e8253830cc new msg 828393 @40003a0045e8253b269c info msg 828393: bytes 1721 from <#@[]> qp 9718 uid 500 @40003a0045e827e3dc54 starting delivery 7: msg 828393 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a0045e827e58234 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e827e7ef4c delivery 6: success: did_0+1+1/qp_9718/ @40003a0045e827eadd4c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e827eea60c end msg 828395 @40003a0045e82856b6ac delivery 7: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/ @40003a0045e8285c7b3c status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a0045e82860151c triple bounce: discarding bounce/828393 @40003a0045e8286193ec end msg 82
Re: Don't understand
Point is taken. I am currently going through the install again making sure I exactly understand everything that is done. (This may take some time!) I am hopefull that it will mysteriously work after that. If it doesn't I will hit you with the gory details and see what you think. Thanks again. PS It took me about 10 minutes to get sendmail/pop3/smtp working and then I started reading about setting up virtual users... ok, I see!! At 07:35 01/11/00 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:24:51PM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: > > Sorry, sorry, sorry. > > > > I am not really a newbie as such, but I am to MTAs. I can usually get > >In which case you will have understood why an earlier poster asked that >you send the logs so we can see what's happening. In spite of that and >you "not really (being) a newbie", you still haven't supplied them. > >Without logs we can offer no opinion at all. > > > things going but I have been at this for nearly two weeks and I simply > > can't get it to work. It is at best confusing that the INSTALL > > documentation in the tarball suggests a different installation from the > > Howto, and is different again from "Living with qmail" (which DOES have > > some mistakes that even I spotted). > >In which case, please send your observations to the author of that document, >he wants to hear feedback that improves his work. > > > I have by now tried all of them, reloading Linux on my test machine each > > time. In each case something doesn't work and I am frustrated that > > documentation seems (to me anyway) to be lacking. I don't think that my > > requirements are in anyway strange (I need an ISP style setup - all local > > lan users though - with smtp and pop3). > >Your requirements are absolutely normal and many thousands of people >have installed qmail without a glitch in such environments. The experience >of this list is that most people who come to it saying "it doesn't work", >usually end up finding they have not follow instructions to the letter. And, >be warned - if you claim that you have you'll need to support that claim >with proof. > > > I am using SuSE V7 linux, if anybody out there has got a simillar > > arangement on a similar platform to work correctly I would be most > > interested to hear from them how they did it. > > > > Sorry to everybody again, for getting stroppy - you know what its like > when > > you foolishly promise something in a few days.. oh well. > > > > Might I be better just using sendmail, which is built in to SuSE and seems > >Whatever floats your boat. You're the one who lives with your choice, >not us. But if you want to persist with qmail, then you will need to >give details. Like logs files, config settings, what is and isn't working, >that sort of thing. > > >Regards.
Re: Don't understand
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I am not really a newbie as such, but I am to MTAs. I can usually get things going but I have been at this for nearly two weeks and I simply can't get it to work. It is at best confusing that the INSTALL documentation in the tarball suggests a different installation from the Howto, and is different again from "Living with qmail" (which DOES have some mistakes that even I spotted). I have by now tried all of them, reloading Linux on my test machine each time. In each case something doesn't work and I am frustrated that documentation seems (to me anyway) to be lacking. I don't think that my requirements are in anyway strange (I need an ISP style setup - all local lan users though - with smtp and pop3). I am using SuSE V7 linux, if anybody out there has got a simillar arangement on a similar platform to work correctly I would be most interested to hear from them how they did it. Sorry to everybody again, for getting stroppy - you know what its like when you foolishly promise something in a few days.. oh well. Might I be better just using sendmail, which is built in to SuSE and seems to work out of the box. There does not seem to be a POP3 as standard but there may be something on the disks (I haven't looked yet). Its just that everything I have read claims that qmail is MUCH better. If only I could get it to work. Howard At 09:05 01/11/00 -0500, you wrote: > > if qmail is no good can anybody recommend something that actually > > works properly. > >That attitude will get you a long way on this list. > >qmail works properly. If you follow the completely straightforward >installation documents that come with the tarball, or follow Dave Sill's >excellent "Life with qmail," you too can have a working qmail installation, >just like thousands of others have before you. If your attitude is that any >failure on your part to understand qmail right off the bat is a shortcoming >of qmail, rather than a shortcoming of Howard Miller, then you might as well >look elsewhere for an MTA. > >You may want to look at http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html#trigger . If >that's not your problem, you might consider looking at the log files, which >hold the answers to many of these mysteries. > >Chris
Don't understand
If I install qmail as per basic instructions (I am using uspci and daemontools package) I have set the default delivery to be a ./Maildir/. I can created (using maildircreate) the directory /home/fred/Maildir. Can I (a) use mail to send a messsage like this. >mail fred Subject? and so on ... it doesn't object, but nothing appears in my maildir. I set up Eudora on a pc and sent a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent OK but dissapeared. Checked the queue and the messages are sat there and are marked as not prepocessed. hmmm. Check the processes. Processing running.. svsscan supervise qmail-send supervise log supervise qmail-smtpd supervise log qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ what is (or is not going on). I had it running yesterday using xinetd and it worked, but nothing I could do would persuade authorisation for POP3 to work. I really need some help. qmail is going in the bin after today. I have heard loads of good things about it but I just can't make it work. Every time I follow somebody elses installation advise (and there seems to be no agreement on how to do it at all) something else doesn't work! I need a mail server up and running, if qmail is no good can anybody recommend something that actually works properly. HM
maildir2mbox doesn't work
When running maildir2mbox it complains the MAILTMP is not set. It is! Seems like a bug. e.g. >MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ >MAIL=$HOME/mbox >MAILTMP=$HOME/.mailtemp >maildir2mbox Error. MAILTMP not set (or something like that) HM
Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
I started again and installed as per Life with Qmail... things are now MUCH worse. I selected Maildirs as the default delivery BTW. Now when I do the qmail-inject test the message just sits in the queue but saying it is for root, not the user I sent it to! smtp works, I can send to any user but those messages just sit on the queue as well. It claims that none are "preprocessed" if that makes any difference. What is going on now? Howard (getting most unimpressed with qmail) At 11:46 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >Wow..Ok, have you looked at Life with Qmail? > >http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html > >It's good. And long. > >Ok, if fred is also a regular user on your system, this might be giving you >trouble. userdel fred or vadduser some_other_fred > >So you are using vpopmail and its passwd checking program vchkpw? > >Could be your inetd.conf screwing you. Here's mine: > >pop3 stream tcp nowait root/var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env >/var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup your.realhostname.com /home/bin/vchkpw >/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir > >yeah, that's all one line. >Notice you must tell it to use vchkpw and not checkpassword or some other. > >I agree, the docs are suckful, but let's be fair, qmail and vpopmail are >totally separate programs that do a lot of complicated things. Once you get >this running you will love how easy it is to admin. > >-Original Message- >From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:16 AM >Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > > >I'm sorry... I'm losing the plot here completely. > > > >I got vpopmail. Installed it no problems, and off we go... > > > >added a user 'fred' with password 'pass' using vadduser.. worked/ > > > >tried POP3 access from a PC on the networkmade no difference > >whatsoever, password/username incorrect still. > > > >What might I be doing wrong? > > > >I frankly don't understand this virtual domain thing, and I have been > >reading about it for days. If you can indulge me... > > > >We currently have a mailserver called (names changed to protect the > >innocent) mail.somedomain.com. This machine has (a) problems and (b) no > >documentation and needs to go. So I set up a machine at > >test.somedomain.com. I installed qmail and can send mail from the new > >machine to the old and back again, using an ordinary user on the new > >machine to an arbitrary user on the old. I do this using the ordinary mail > >program, it doesn't work with these "Maildir" things, something else that > >isn't explained very well. > > > >I won't be using local users on test.somedomain.com, users will connect > >using SMTP and POP3 and don't need to have IDs on the linux box. I will > >want their usernames to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >What is the easiest way to do this? I have been at this for a week, and am > >no further forward. I am ceasing to be impressed with qmail as it is FAR > >too hard to set up. Win2000 and Exchange will have to be the answer if I > >can't get this working very soon. > > > >Cheers... Howard > >PS Sorry if I sound grumpy... I just need to get this working and its like > >hitting my head of a brick wall. Is there no decent documentation for this > >stuff? > > > > > >At 11:00 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>Oh...you need to get the vpopmail package to do virtuals. Really, it's > >>great. > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:30 AM > >>Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > >> > >> > >> >Errr... thanks, > >> > > >> >BUT I don't have any executables call "vadduser" or "vadddomain"!!! > >> > > >> >Where do I find these? Does this work with the password checking program > >> >that comes with the standard download of wmail? > >> > > >> >Thanks again. > >> > > >> >At 09:25 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>If you've run > >> >>vadduser some_user > >> >>then it asked you for a password and that's how you will authenticate. > >> >>user: user > >> >>pass: pass > >> >> > >> >>If you've run > >> >>vad
RE: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
Yes, I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], neither worked. Can anybody explain to me what is supposed to be happening. Should I use checkpassword or vcheckpw (or whatever it is), and if so where do these programs actually get the authorisation information from. AND what do all these files in qmail/control DO? PLEASE, PLEASE don't tell me to stick this in there or that in the other, how does it work and I will figure it out for myself. If I want' to use POP3 do I use Mailbox or Maildir? Does it matter? Can I use either? HOW DOES IT WORK? It can't be hard, surely? Yours, very frustrated Howard At 10:27 31/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >Just to try the simple stuff first did you type in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then >the password ? > > > >Rick Harris >UNIX Administrator >Internet Global/Telares >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >"In a time of insanity, let a madman lead the way" > > > >-Original Message- >From: Howard Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:15 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > >I'm sorry... I'm losing the plot here completely. > >I got vpopmail. Installed it no problems, and off we go... > >added a user 'fred' with password 'pass' using vadduser.. worked/ > >tried POP3 access from a PC on the networkmade no difference >whatsoever, password/username incorrect still. > >What might I be doing wrong? > >I frankly don't understand this virtual domain thing, and I have been >reading about it for days. If you can indulge me... > >We currently have a mailserver called (names changed to protect the >innocent) mail.somedomain.com. This machine has (a) problems and (b) no >documentation and needs to go. So I set up a machine at >test.somedomain.com. I installed qmail and can send mail from the new >machine to the old and back again, using an ordinary user on the new >machine to an arbitrary user on the old. I do this using the ordinary mail >program, it doesn't work with these "Maildir" things, something else that >isn't explained very well. > >I won't be using local users on test.somedomain.com, users will connect >using SMTP and POP3 and don't need to have IDs on the linux box. I will >want their usernames to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >What is the easiest way to do this? I have been at this for a week, and am >no further forward. I am ceasing to be impressed with qmail as it is FAR >too hard to set up. Win2000 and Exchange will have to be the answer if I >can't get this working very soon. > >Cheers... Howard >PS Sorry if I sound grumpy... I just need to get this working and its like >hitting my head of a brick wall. Is there no decent documentation for this >stuff? > > >At 11:00 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Oh...you need to get the vpopmail package to do virtuals. Really, it's > >great. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:30 AM > >Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > > > > > >Errr... thanks, > > > > > >BUT I don't have any executables call "vadduser" or "vadddomain"!!! > > > > > >Where do I find these? Does this work with the password checking program > > >that comes with the standard download of wmail? > > > > > >Thanks again. > > > > > >At 09:25 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >>If you've run > > >>vadduser some_user > > >>then it asked you for a password and that's how you will authenticate. > > >>user: user > > >>pass: pass > > >> > > >>If you've run > > >>vadddomain some_domain > > >>vadduser some_user@some_domain > > >> > > >>then you authenticate as follows: > > >>user: some_user%some_domain > > >>pass: pass > > >> > > >>Make sense? > > >> > > >>-Original Messag > > >>e- > > >>From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:28 AM > > >>Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > >> > > >> > > >> >Sorry, I'm very new to setting mail servers and I'm not sure what you > >mean! > > >> > > > >> >
Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
I'm sorry... I'm losing the plot here completely. I got vpopmail. Installed it no problems, and off we go... added a user 'fred' with password 'pass' using vadduser.. worked/ tried POP3 access from a PC on the networkmade no difference whatsoever, password/username incorrect still. What might I be doing wrong? I frankly don't understand this virtual domain thing, and I have been reading about it for days. If you can indulge me... We currently have a mailserver called (names changed to protect the innocent) mail.somedomain.com. This machine has (a) problems and (b) no documentation and needs to go. So I set up a machine at test.somedomain.com. I installed qmail and can send mail from the new machine to the old and back again, using an ordinary user on the new machine to an arbitrary user on the old. I do this using the ordinary mail program, it doesn't work with these "Maildir" things, something else that isn't explained very well. I won't be using local users on test.somedomain.com, users will connect using SMTP and POP3 and don't need to have IDs on the linux box. I will want their usernames to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the easiest way to do this? I have been at this for a week, and am no further forward. I am ceasing to be impressed with qmail as it is FAR too hard to set up. Win2000 and Exchange will have to be the answer if I can't get this working very soon. Cheers... Howard PS Sorry if I sound grumpy... I just need to get this working and its like hitting my head of a brick wall. Is there no decent documentation for this stuff? At 11:00 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >Oh...you need to get the vpopmail package to do virtuals. Really, it's >great. > >-Original Message- >From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > > >Errr... thanks, > > > >BUT I don't have any executables call "vadduser" or "vadddomain"!!! > > > >Where do I find these? Does this work with the password checking program > >that comes with the standard download of wmail? > > > >Thanks again. > > > >At 09:25 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>If you've run > >>vadduser some_user > >>then it asked you for a password and that's how you will authenticate. > >>user: user > >>pass: pass > >> > >>If you've run > >>vadddomain some_domain > >>vadduser some_user@some_domain > >> > >>then you authenticate as follows: > >>user: some_user%some_domain > >>pass: pass > >> > >>Make sense? > >> > >>-Original Messag > >>e- > >>From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:28 AM > >>Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > >> > >> > >> >Sorry, I'm very new to setting mail servers and I'm not sure what you >mean! > >> > > >> >Where do I put these settings? I don't really understand what is meant >by a > >> >virtual domain in this context. > >> > > >> >My goal is to pruduce a mail server for a windows 98 network. All my >users > >> >will access by SMTP and POP3 and will not have IDs on the unix box. I > >> >assume this makes them virtual users (yes?). I am having a lot of >trouble > >> >understanding how to do this. Any help at all will be appreciated. > >> > > >> >Howard > >> > > >> >At 11:13 31/10/00 +0100, you wrote: > >> >>Hello Howard, > >> >> > >> >>Tuesday, October 31, 2000, 6:27:30 PM, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I have installed qmail and it seems to more or less work. > >> >> > >> >> > I can connect to POP3 but my usernames/passwords are never >authorised. > >> >> I am > >> >> > using the setup as described in the FAQ. > >> >> > >> >>If you run a virtuell domain you probably have to set the user login > >> >>format like user%domain.com > >> >> > >> >>Hans-Juergen > >> > > >
Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
Errr... thanks, BUT I don't have any executables call "vadduser" or "vadddomain"!!! Where do I find these? Does this work with the password checking program that comes with the standard download of wmail? Thanks again. At 09:25 31/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >If you've run >vadduser some_user >then it asked you for a password and that's how you will authenticate. >user: user >pass: pass > >If you've run >vadddomain some_domain >vadduser some_user@some_domain > >then you authenticate as follows: >user: some_user%some_domain >pass: pass > >Make sense? > >-Original Messag >e- >From: Howard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:28 AM >Subject: Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work > > > >Sorry, I'm very new to setting mail servers and I'm not sure what you mean! > > > >Where do I put these settings? I don't really understand what is meant by a > >virtual domain in this context. > > > >My goal is to pruduce a mail server for a windows 98 network. All my users > >will access by SMTP and POP3 and will not have IDs on the unix box. I > >assume this makes them virtual users (yes?). I am having a lot of trouble > >understanding how to do this. Any help at all will be appreciated. > > > >Howard > > > >At 11:13 31/10/00 +0100, you wrote: > >>Hello Howard, > >> > >>Tuesday, October 31, 2000, 6:27:30 PM, you wrote: > >> > >> > I have installed qmail and it seems to more or less work. > >> > >> > I can connect to POP3 but my usernames/passwords are never authorised. > >> I am > >> > using the setup as described in the FAQ. > >> > >>If you run a virtuell domain you probably have to set the user login > >>format like user%domain.com > >> > >>Hans-Juergen > >
Re: Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
Sorry, I'm very new to setting mail servers and I'm not sure what you mean! Where do I put these settings? I don't really understand what is meant by a virtual domain in this context. My goal is to pruduce a mail server for a windows 98 network. All my users will access by SMTP and POP3 and will not have IDs on the unix box. I assume this makes them virtual users (yes?). I am having a lot of trouble understanding how to do this. Any help at all will be appreciated. Howard At 11:13 31/10/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hello Howard, > >Tuesday, October 31, 2000, 6:27:30 PM, you wrote: > > > I have installed qmail and it seems to more or less work. > > > I can connect to POP3 but my usernames/passwords are never authorised. > I am > > using the setup as described in the FAQ. > >If you run a virtuell domain you probably have to set the user login >format like user%domain.com > >Hans-Juergen
Can't get POP3 Authorisation to work
I have installed qmail and it seems to more or less work. I can connect to POP3 but my usernames/passwords are never authorised. I am using the setup as described in the FAQ. I am using SuSE Linux. Any help appreciated.
