RE: [qmailadmin] Re: End of RedHat Linux Support
At 07:59 PM 11/3/2003, Trell wrote: Well since most of the Linux versions are mentioned, I will say that I have this running on HPUX 11.11 with qmail/vpopmail/qmailadmin with no problems other than the install of qmailadmin requiring modification of the qmailadmin.c file from seteuid/setegid to setuid/setgid. It works well and currently handles about 1 million emails a month. likewise, my entire current business ( http://www.smileglobal.com ) is built around vpopmail/qmailadmin/vqadmin, and of course qmail/djbdns et al, and i run the entire thing on a tiny* farm of Sun SPARCs running solaris 9. i'm happy as a clam. oh yeah, running clamav and spamassassin too of course. ;^) *Farm consists of: 1 sun Sparc 20 - dual 75Mhz CPUs - primary NS, primary MX 1 sun Sparc 20 - dual 75Mhz CPUs - secondary NS, secondary MX 1 sun Netra T1 - 360Mhz CPU - spamassassin/clamav proxy, tertiary NS 1 Ultra 2 - 200Mhz CPU - the vpopmail/qmailadmin/vqadmin multi-webmail IMAP POP kitchen-sink (soon to be replaced with another Netra T1 440Mhz with D130 disk array) (webserver for our customer facing website is a RAQ XTR) I don't know what my mail volume is, actually. I don't keep the logs around for more than a few days. my primary MX shows 74K messages inbound to my customers from 2:30pm 31oct03 to now (8:20pm 03nov03), if that gives you a rough idea of inbound volume. I love sun sparcs and solaris. been running them for a decade now. ridiculously reliable and easy to administer. i know lotsa folks dislike solaris. frankly, i don't get it. it's an extremely powerful OS. Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com
RE: [qmailadmin] Re: End of RedHat Linux Support
Well since most of the Linux versions are mentioned, I will say that I have this running on HPUX 11.11 with qmail/vpopmail/qmailadmin with no problems other than the install of qmailadmin requiring modification of the qmailadmin.c file from seteuid/setegid to setuid/setgid. It works well and currently handles about 1 million emails a month. Trell -Original Message- From: Jeremy Kitchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] Re: End of RedHat Linux Support On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:30, Paul L. Allen wrote: > John Johnson writes: > > > Mandrake works very nice for me. I have been using it for about 4 years > > now. > > We tried Mandrake once, a couple of years ago. Their "we will hold > your hand every step of the way" was great, except where it conflicted > with our established practises and what we actually wanted to do. It's > probably a great desktop solution but sucks as a server solution unless > you are prepared to change everything you do to match what Mandrake thinks > you should do. It caused us nothing but pain (much like Solaris). yea, there was just a discussion on the qmail list about mandrake's 'security' stuff changing permissions on qmail programs, therefore breaking it. Lovely eh? :) > > Now that RedHat is dropping support for their consumer linux product in > > favor of their enterprise product > > They are? I hadn't seen that (but there are more important things to > read about in my spare time). www.slashdot.org :) > > what are most of us going to do? > > Find a better distro. RH 9 destroyed a lot of RH's credibility for me. yup, I posted several with my last post > > So much of the qmail/vpopmail/qmailadmin/SA/scanner and all else seemed > > fined-tuned for RedHat. > > Are you sure about that? This stuff works on most non-proprietary > flavours of *nix without problems. Solaris and HP-UX seem to have > some problems (I hate Solaris with a passion) but the free flavours > seem to be OK. I don't see how it was 'geared for redhat' either.. there are rpms and such, but that's a given, people will always want to make an 'easy' way to install something, even if it's already braindead easy if you follow a good tutorial (www.lifewithqmail.org anyone?) I did recommend gentoo in my last post, but I don't recommend gentoo's 'qmail' installation ebuild at all. Bunch of stupid patches nobody really needs, although some of it I can see some use for. Also, it's not documented, so nobody knows where to change things. Daemontools also bad gentoo ebuild... why not let inittab handle svscan, just like it was designed to do :) Lucky for gentoo (unlike mandrake/redhat) if I want to 'fake' something is installed, I just 'emerge -i category/package-version-revision' and i'm done, gentoo doesn't touch it anymore. Redhat has always been a good distro for enterprise setups, because it's easy to maintain if you are good with rpms and such. People who can roll their own rpms can kick ass with redhat. I personally like to just roll my tarball and call it good. I guess learning linux on slackware does that to you :) -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. www.inter7.com 866.528.3530 toll free 847.492.0470 int'l 847.492.0632 fax GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE
Re: [qmailadmin] Re: End of RedHat Linux Support
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:30, Paul L. Allen wrote: > John Johnson writes: > > > Mandrake works very nice for me. I have been using it for about 4 years > > now. > > We tried Mandrake once, a couple of years ago. Their "we will hold > your hand every step of the way" was great, except where it conflicted > with our established practises and what we actually wanted to do. It's > probably a great desktop solution but sucks as a server solution unless > you are prepared to change everything you do to match what Mandrake thinks > you should do. It caused us nothing but pain (much like Solaris). yea, there was just a discussion on the qmail list about mandrake's 'security' stuff changing permissions on qmail programs, therefore breaking it. Lovely eh? :) > > Now that RedHat is dropping support for their consumer linux product in > > favor of their enterprise product > > They are? I hadn't seen that (but there are more important things to > read about in my spare time). www.slashdot.org :) > > what are most of us going to do? > > Find a better distro. RH 9 destroyed a lot of RH's credibility for me. yup, I posted several with my last post > > So much of the qmail/vpopmail/qmailadmin/SA/scanner and all else seemed > > fined-tuned for RedHat. > > Are you sure about that? This stuff works on most non-proprietary > flavours of *nix without problems. Solaris and HP-UX seem to have > some problems (I hate Solaris with a passion) but the free flavours > seem to be OK. I don't see how it was 'geared for redhat' either.. there are rpms and such, but that's a given, people will always want to make an 'easy' way to install something, even if it's already braindead easy if you follow a good tutorial (www.lifewithqmail.org anyone?) I did recommend gentoo in my last post, but I don't recommend gentoo's 'qmail' installation ebuild at all. Bunch of stupid patches nobody really needs, although some of it I can see some use for. Also, it's not documented, so nobody knows where to change things. Daemontools also bad gentoo ebuild... why not let inittab handle svscan, just like it was designed to do :) Lucky for gentoo (unlike mandrake/redhat) if I want to 'fake' something is installed, I just 'emerge -i category/package-version-revision' and i'm done, gentoo doesn't touch it anymore. Redhat has always been a good distro for enterprise setups, because it's easy to maintain if you are good with rpms and such. People who can roll their own rpms can kick ass with redhat. I personally like to just roll my tarball and call it good. I guess learning linux on slackware does that to you :) -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. www.inter7.com 866.528.3530 toll free 847.492.0470 int'l 847.492.0632 fax GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE
[qmailadmin] Re: End of RedHat Linux Support
John Johnson writes: > Mandrake works very nice for me. I have been using it for about 4 years > now. We tried Mandrake once, a couple of years ago. Their "we will hold your hand every step of the way" was great, except where it conflicted with our established practises and what we actually wanted to do. It's probably a great desktop solution but sucks as a server solution unless you are prepared to change everything you do to match what Mandrake thinks you should do. It caused us nothing but pain (much like Solaris). > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Koch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [qmailadmin] End of RedHat Linux Support > > > Now that RedHat is dropping support for their consumer linux product in > favor of their enterprise product They are? I hadn't seen that (but there are more important things to read about in my spare time). > what are most of us going to do? Find a better distro. RH 9 destroyed a lot of RH's credibility for me. > So much of the qmail/vpopmail/qmailadmin/SA/scanner and all else seemed > fined-tuned for RedHat. Are you sure about that? This stuff works on most non-proprietary flavours of *nix without problems. Solaris and HP-UX seem to have some problems (I hate Solaris with a passion) but the free flavours seem to be OK. -- Paul Allen Softflare Support
