Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Security

2010-02-09 Thread Jake Vickers

Phil Leinhauser wrote:

I think you might be talking about vmware in general?  This was mainly
talking about doing snapshots in VM.

  



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[qmailtoaster] Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Phil Leinhauser


So let's change the thread and explore yours a bit...

I'd be
interested in where virtual QMTs choke.  Is it IO, proc, mem? 
Maybe too many other guests?

While I only have about 1/2 of
your 500 user choke point, I get very good performance from my VM server
based QMT.  I did have issues before I found some of the tuning
points that I'm documenting in the wiki.  I've been running some sort
of VM in my small business since the days of GSX and in work I have a very
large install of ESX / vSphere.  I do know things like heavily used
databases and the like don't run too well virtualized.  I'd be
interested to see if the QMT limit is something that can be overcome?

I saw your discussion a few days ago with Eric about slow virtual
performance but you said that was with something other than VM?

Phil

 Phil Leinhauser wrote:
 I think you
might be talking about vmware in general?  This was mainly

talking about doing snapshots in VM.




 
 Yes, I was. That's what you get from a
thread-hijacker! ;)
 



[qmailtoaster] question about simscan, clamd and qmail

2010-02-09 Thread Michiel van Es

Hi,

Today I received a suspicious report.zip file with a report.exe attachement.
At first I thought that clamav is not up to date: checked it: works and 
is up to date:

[r...@pcintelw01 clamd]# freshclam
ClamAV update process started at Tue Feb  9 15:09:10 2010
main.cvd is up to date (version: 51, sigs: 545035, f-level: 42, builder: 
sven)
daily.cld is up to date (version: 10371, sigs: 163572, f-level: 44, 
builder: ccordes)



When I scan the report.zip with Xclamav (clamav gui for os x) it finds a 
nasty trojan:


Starting scan…

--- SCAN SUMMARY ---
Known viruses: 707886
Engine version: 0.95.3
Scanned directories: 0
Scanned files: 1
Infected files: 1
Data scanned: 0.02 MB
Data read: 0.01 MB (ratio 3.00:1)
Time: 2.640 sec (0 m 2 s)

One or more infected files were found, but were left where they are. 
You can either deal with them yourself, or scan again with the 
preferences set to move them into a different folder.


Trojan.Bredolab-573

But the same open source clamav on my mailserver does not find it when I 
send the message with the report.zip ?

Then I tried to send the zipped eicar test message: found by my mailserver..

Does anyone know why the report.zip is found by my CLamXav on OSX using 
the same engine as the clamd version I use by qmail-toaster and my 
mailserver isn't?


Simscan/clamd is seeing it as ok:

@40004b716917146d7ff4 
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723661.274561.31634/eicarcom2.zip: 
Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND
@40004b71693e2c0f617c 
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723700.530689.31662/report.zip: OK


Any help is much appreciated as I don't want any virusses slipping 
through :)


Kind regards,

Michiel


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Re: [qmailtoaster] question about simscan, clamd and qmail

2010-02-09 Thread Aleksander Podsiadły
Dnia 2010-02-09, o godz. 15:13:29
Michiel van Es m...@pcintelligence.nl napisał(a):

 @40004b71693e2c0f617c 
 /var/qmail/simscan/1265723700.530689.31662/report.zip: OK
 
 Any help is much appreciated as I don't want any virusses slipping 
 through :)

Maybe zip archive is not scanned. Check config
option ScanArchive,should be set yes.

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[qmailtoaster] Re: Security

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Jake Vickers wrote:

Phil Leinhauser wrote:

I think you might be talking about vmware in general?  This was mainly
talking about doing snapshots in VM.

  



Yes, I was. That's what you get from a thread-hijacker! ;)


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Hehehe. Yeah, I wasn't very clear on that. My bad.

I wasn't sold on snapshots, but Phil has clarified things for me. They 
are very nice, but you want to leave them off during normal operations.


I do not have a problem with running VMs in production. They do require 
a bit of tuning however. Running them on older cpus that do not contain 
specific virtualization features can result in additional overhead that 
will affect performance.


Jake, I'm guessing here, but virtual guests can/will run with near 
bare-iron performance as long as the workload is primarily in user 
space. When privileged (system) instructions are required, either Binary 
Translation or hardware paravirtualization is required to perform these 
operations for the guest. This would include creating new processes in 
the guest, which I'm guessing is where QMT is taking a performance hit. 
In order to get over that apparent 500 user threshold, I would be sure 
that the host system has a cpu which supports paravirtualization (VT-x 
or AMD-V), that's it's turned on in the bios (not on by default in many 
systems), and that the QMT guest is actually using it (check the guest 
vmware log).


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Re: [qmailtoaster] question about simscan, clamd and qmail

2010-02-09 Thread Michiel van Es

Hi
Is set to scan Archive.

Regards

Michiel van Es

Op 9 feb 2010 om 16:17 heeft Aleksander Podsiadły a...@westside.kielce.p 
l het volgende geschreven:\



Dnia 2010-02-09, o godz. 15:13:29
Michiel van Es m...@pcintelligence.nl napisał(a):


@40004b71693e2c0f617c
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723700.530689.31662/report.zip: OK

Any help is much appreciated as I don't want any virusses slipping
through :)


Maybe zip archive is not scanned. Check config
option ScanArchive,should be set yes.

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[qmailtoaster] Re: Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Sorry, Phil. I posted reply to Jake before I read this.

BTW, when you change a thread, please create a new message (copy/paste 
content as appropriate) instead of replying and changing the subject. 
When you look at messages in threaded view (nice feature btw), this 
isn't a new thread, only a changed subject. :( Common mistake.


Phil Leinhauser wrote:

So let's change the thread and explore yours a bit...

I'd be interested in where virtual QMTs choke.  Is it IO, proc, mem?  
Maybe too many other guests?


While I only have about 1/2 of your 500 user choke point, I get very 
good performance from my VM server based QMT.  I did have issues before 
I found some of the tuning points that I'm documenting in the wiki.  
I've been running some sort of VM in my small business since the days of 
GSX and in work I have a very large install of ESX / vSphere.  I do know 
things like heavily used databases and the like don't run too well 
virtualized.  I'd be interested to see if the QMT limit is something 
that can be overcome?


Me too. I think/feel/hope there's a way to improve on that.

FWIW, I talked with a company a year or so ago that was running Oracle 
in virtual guests, and they had managed to obtain satisfactory 
performance. They didn't go into specifics, so I don't know how they did 
it. Can be done though I believe.


I saw your discussion a few days ago with Eric about slow virtual 
performance but you said that was with something other than VM?


That was one Xen server. I don't know about the others he was working on 
though.


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[qmailtoaster] Re: question about simscan, clamd and qmail

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Good guess Aleksander.

I think I'd ask the clamav community about this.

Please keep us apprised of what you find.

Michiel van Es wrote:

Hi,

Today I received a suspicious report.zip file with a report.exe 
attachement.
At first I thought that clamav is not up to date: checked it: works and 
is up to date:

[r...@pcintelw01 clamd]# freshclam
ClamAV update process started at Tue Feb  9 15:09:10 2010
main.cvd is up to date (version: 51, sigs: 545035, f-level: 42, builder: 
sven)
daily.cld is up to date (version: 10371, sigs: 163572, f-level: 44, 
builder: ccordes)



When I scan the report.zip with Xclamav (clamav gui for os x) it finds a 
nasty trojan:


Starting scan…

--- SCAN SUMMARY ---
Known viruses: 707886
Engine version: 0.95.3
Scanned directories: 0
Scanned files: 1
Infected files: 1
Data scanned: 0.02 MB
Data read: 0.01 MB (ratio 3.00:1)
Time: 2.640 sec (0 m 2 s)

One or more infected files were found, but were left where they are. You 
can either deal with them yourself, or scan again with the preferences 
set to move them into a different folder.


Trojan.Bredolab-573

But the same open source clamav on my mailserver does not find it when I 
send the message with the report.zip ?
Then I tried to send the zipped eicar test message: found by my 
mailserver..


Does anyone know why the report.zip is found by my CLamXav on OSX using 
the same engine as the clamd version I use by qmail-toaster and my 
mailserver isn't?


Simscan/clamd is seeing it as ok:

@40004b716917146d7ff4 
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723661.274561.31634/eicarcom2.zip: 
Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND
@40004b71693e2c0f617c 
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723700.530689.31662/report.zip: OK


Any help is much appreciated as I don't want any virusses slipping 
through :)


Kind regards,

Michiel


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[qmailtoaster] Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Phil Leinhauser


Sorry 'bout that.  Never used threaded view...

So, I
restarted this one and added below...

Sorry, Phil. I posted reply to Jake before I read this.

BTW, when you change a thread, please create a new message (copy/paste

content as appropriate) instead of replying and changing the
subject. 
When you look at messages in threaded view (nice feature
btw), this 
isn't a new thread, only a changed subject. :( Common
mistake.

Phil Leinhauser wrote:

So let's change the thread and explore yours a bit...
 
 I'd be
interested in where virtual QMTs choke.  Is it IO, proc, mem?  
 Maybe too many other guests?
 
 While
I only have about 1/2 of your 500 user choke point, I get very 
 good performance from my VM server based QMT.
 I did have issues before 
 I found
some of the tuning points that I'm documenting in the wiki.  
 I've been running some sort of VM in my small
business since the days of 
 GSX and
in work I have a very large install of ESX / vSphere.  I do know

 things like heavily used databases
and the like don't run too well 

virtualized.  I'd be interested to see if the QMT limit is something

 that can be overcome?

Me too. I think/feel/hope there's a way to improve on that.

FWIW, I talked with a company a year or so ago that was running
Oracle 
in virtual guests, and they had managed to obtain
satisfactory 
performance. They didn't go into specifics, so I don't
know how they did 
it. Can be done though I believe.

 I saw your discussion a few days ago with Eric about
slow virtual 
 performance but you
said that was with something other than VM?

 That
was one Xen server. I don't know about the others he was working on 
 though.

We did have a couple Oracle databases on our ESX
3.5 but they seemed to choke. 
I was in the middle of building the
infrastructure so I couldn't help him (Not that I would have been much
help with Oracle).

Is there anything like a load tester for QMT
to mimic the 500 user limit?




[qmailtoaster] Re: Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Phil Leinhauser wrote:


Is there anything like a load tester for QMT
to mimic the 500 user limit?



I don't know of one. (Doesn't mean there isn't one)

It'd be nice to have a testing harness of some sort for QMT. Anyone up 
for writing one?


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[qmailtoaster] Logs

2010-02-09 Thread Ariel
 hola lista,, necesito algun script para la consola o via web, donde
pueda de forma simple ver los log de qmail, ya que veo que hay un
monton de archivos en la carpeta de log, la idea es que me lea todos
los archivos juntos


 hello list, I need some script to the console or via web, where you
can see it simply log of qmail, and I see that there are lots of files
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[qmailtoaster] Re: Logs

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Ariel wrote:

 hola lista,, necesito algun script para la consola o via web, donde
pueda de forma simple ver los log de qmail, ya que veo que hay un
monton de archivos en la carpeta de log, la idea es que me lea todos
los archivos juntos


 hello list, I need some script to the console or via web, where you
can see it simply log of qmail, and I see that there are lots of files
in the log, the idea is that I read all the files together

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Jake Vickers

Eric Shubert wrote:

Phil Leinhauser wrote:


Is there anything like a load tester for QMT
to mimic the 500 user limit?



I don't know of one. (Doesn't mean there isn't one)

It'd be nice to have a testing harness of some sort for QMT. Anyone up 
for writing one?




One of the setups I was working on was Xen, but there is one running 
ESX. They have 500 users, all using IMAP, and some users experience 8-10 
minute lags in accessing their imap stores (or webmail).
IMAP processes have been increased, and the softlimit has also been 
increased.
I do agree we could use some testing tools (this should be on the devel 
list, and can easily be added to the tools section of the subversion 
repo).
I used to have a script around here somewhere that dumped 10K emails to 
load test, but haven't used it in a long time and would have to really 
dig to find it.
I just wonder if the imap load isn't hitting a limitation in the VMware 
storage structure. The system has enough horse power and lots of RAM. 
'sar' shows the cpu is not working very hard. When running a 'du -sh *' 
on the /home/vpopmail/domains takes as long as 7 minutes on a couple 
domains, which is what points me towards a VMware filesystem suspicion, 
since that test is not even using imap but straight file access.


As a side thought - anyone ever looked at freshmeat on some pop/imap 
testing tools?



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[qmailtoaster] Re: Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Shubert

Jake Vickers wrote:

Eric Shubert wrote:

Phil Leinhauser wrote:


Is there anything like a load tester for QMT
to mimic the 500 user limit?



I don't know of one. (Doesn't mean there isn't one)

It'd be nice to have a testing harness of some sort for QMT. Anyone up 
for writing one?




One of the setups I was working on was Xen, but there is one running 
ESX. They have 500 users, all using IMAP, and some users experience 8-10 
minute lags in accessing their imap stores (or webmail).
IMAP processes have been increased, and the softlimit has also been 
increased.
I do agree we could use some testing tools (this should be on the devel 
list, and can easily be added to the tools section of the subversion 
repo).
I used to have a script around here somewhere that dumped 10K emails to 
load test, but haven't used it in a long time and would have to really 
dig to find it.
I just wonder if the imap load isn't hitting a limitation in the VMware 
storage structure. The system has enough horse power and lots of RAM. 
'sar' shows the cpu is not working very hard. When running a 'du -sh *' 
on the /home/vpopmail/domains takes as long as 7 minutes on a couple 
domains, which is what points me towards a VMware filesystem suspicion, 
since that test is not even using imap but straight file access.


That's a good guess. I'll think about it a bit.

Courier or Dovecot? (Not that it matters a whole lot if filesystem 
access is slow)


Which elevator type is running on the guest? (noop appears to be best)
Any idea which elevator ESX is configured to use?
Which ESX version?

As a side thought - anyone ever looked at freshmeat on some pop/imap 
testing tools?


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Memory dan Email stats

2010-02-09 Thread PakOgah

Eric Shubert wrote:

Have you applied Jake's change for the simscan working directory?

No I haven't. But will look into


You don't need more ram. Your swap file is virtually unused, and there 
is 1.2G cached i/o. As your processes require more ram, linux will 
reduce the i/o cache to accommodate it. You have plenty of ram IMO.


As a side note, 4G of swap is overkill as you can see. Making swap 2x 
the amount of ram used to be the rule of thumb, but that's not as 
applicable these days with so much ram. In your system, I think I 
would use 1G of swap. If your system actually uses that much, 
performance will be suffering, and at that point you'll be wanting to 
add more ram.

OMG, I am an outdated sysadmin :(


So back to your performance issue. Your Cpu is not strained (96.4% 
idle), and not waiting a lot either (2.6%). That's good.


Your load is fairly high though, 1.0+ over the previous 15 minutes and 
trending upwards. This is puzzling to me. I've seen this sort of thing 
before, but only in a VM environment. This isn't a VM guest is it?

So CPU is not an issue here. Great. the QMT is on Dedicated Server


Do you have zombie processes running? Your cpu load is low, yet there 
are 3 spamd processes running.
I thought spamd has 2 standby child-processes and the other one is the 
master process


Anyone else have any thoughts about this (slightly) high load?



Thanks Eric for your detailed review regarding my system. The reason why 
I am asking this question because some users complaining sometimes they 
had double emails which sent to their email address not from milist. 
From reading the archive and previous question I ask to this milist, it 
was lack of memory problem. that's why I submit my memory usage along 
with qmt statistic.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Security

2010-02-09 Thread PakOgah

Eric Shubert wrote:
As you're aware, there is some tuning involved with VMs. Please visit 
the wiki vmware page (http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/VMware) 
and let us know what you think. It's presently under construction, but 
I think Phil and I have a good start on it.



it's great, I'll look at it.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Logs

2010-02-09 Thread PakOgah

Ariel wrote:

 hola lista,, necesito algun script para la consola o via web, donde
pueda de forma simple ver los log de qmail, ya que veo que hay un
monton de archivos en la carpeta de log, la idea es que me lea todos
los archivos juntos


 hello list, I need some script to the console or via web, where you
can see it simply log of qmail, and I see that there are lots of files
in the log, the idea is that I read all the files together
  
... I think you can use webmin, add custom menu to do what it take 
(like: tail -n 100 /var/log/qmail/smtp/current)

sorry oneliner

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: question about simscan, clamd and qmail

2010-02-09 Thread Aleksander Podsiadły
Dnia 2010-02-09, o godz. 09:06:06
Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net napisał(a):

 Good guess Aleksander.
 
 I think I'd ask the clamav community about this.
 
 Please keep us apprised of what you find.
The answer is simpler, this virus was added to clamav database
2010-02-09 14:34 +0100
http://lurker.clamav.net/message/20100209.133435.ffd1e240.en.html

The letter was scanned:
2010-02-09 14:55:00.739205500 
/var/qmail/simscan/1265723700.530689.31662/report.zip: OK
probably before freshclam updated the virus database. :)


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Virtual QMT

2010-02-09 Thread Bharath Chari

On 2/10/2010 7:50 AM, Jake Vickers wrote:


One of the setups I was working on was Xen, but there is one running 
ESX. They have 500 users, all using IMAP, and some users experience 
8-10 minute lags in accessing their imap stores (or webmail).
This isn't directly related to the topic on hand, but  I found that  
without VMWare tools installed and using kernel options, there are 
serious clock drifts especially in CentOS/RHEL using the 2.6 kernel.


http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=displayKCexternalId=1006427

Bharath

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