Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
updated the wiki with webmail clients list http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Webmail_Client but still underdevelopment, later I'll add another info and some comments by milist members PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Eric Shubert wrote: I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
I always use horde groupware webmail edition. It is easy to install, configure and use. The next time I have to install it I will create a step-by-step guide to include in the wiki. And I remember to use some sort of hack to enable user password-change inside horde. Natalio. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:13 AM, PakOgah pako...@pala.bo-tak.info wrote: updated the wiki with webmail clients list http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Webmail_Client but still underdevelopment, later I'll add another info and some comments by milist members PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Eric Shubert wrote: I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
Nice list. It would be more useful to me to have a list of perceived pros and cons in regard to qmail setup and over all usage. I wouldn't have time to check them all out, but I bet someone has :) Thanks, Nigel --- On Thu, 12/3/09, PakOgah pako...@pala.bo-tak.info wrote: From: PakOgah pako...@pala.bo-tak.info Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:13 AM updated the wiki with webmail clients list http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Webmail_Client but still underdevelopment, later I'll add another info and some comments by milist members PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Eric Shubert wrote: I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
that's why I called it underdevelopment, :-) I can't write pros and cons about them as I have tried them all, but what I can is summarize all comments about them, from our discussion Nigel Reed wrote: Nice list. It would be more useful to me to have a list of perceived pros and cons in regard to qmail setup and over all usage. I wouldn't have time to check them all out, but I bet someone has :) Thanks, Nigel --- On Thu, 12/3/09, PakOgah pako...@pala.bo-tak.info wrote: From: PakOgah pako...@pala.bo-tak.info Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:13 AM updated the wiki with webmail clients list http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Webmail_Client but still underdevelopment, later I'll add another info and some comments by milist members - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
the only problem I had with AfterLogic-lite is that it creates a message nueveo and paste a picture on the same 2009/11/30 Jake Vickers j...@qmailtoaster.com Eric Shubert wrote: I think that users can log in to qmailadmin using their account name/pw, and change a few of their account settings, including password. PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Correct Eric, users can log into qmailadmin with their username, domain, and password and change their password there. That's essentially what the plugin for Squirrelmail does, it dump the user (pre-authenticated) into the qmailadmin page. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group ( www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Eric Shubert wrote: I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 | fax 510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
I think that users can log in to qmailadmin using their account name/pw, and change a few of their account settings, including password. PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Eric Shubert wrote: I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 | fax 510.864.7300 http://yother.com - -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
Eric Shubert wrote: I think that users can log in to qmailadmin using their account name/pw, and change a few of their account settings, including password. PakOgah wrote: Right then.. I'll update the wiki.. please wait one thing that make me still hesitant to use other webmail than squirrel is the option to change user password within webmail. once there is small utility (php) to change user email password outside the webmail for user itself I wont mind replacing squirrelmail Correct Eric, users can log into qmailadmin with their username, domain, and password and change their password there. That's essentially what the plugin for Squirrelmail does, it dump the user (pre-authenticated) into the qmailadmin page. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
I believe that Nutsmail has a bit of a problem with their licensing. I'd suggest googling for the details before using it. Maxwell Smart wrote: I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 | fax 510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
Nice list, and good idea Jake. Would someone like to put it on the wiki? ;) Ariel wrote: www.hastymail.org http://www.hastymail.org http://atmail.org/ http://www.afterlogic.com/products/webmail-lite http://www.afterlogic.com/products/webmail-lite 2009/11/27 Maxwell Smart c...@yother.com mailto:c...@yother.com I installed the outlook theme as described by Andreas, but it doesn't quite look like the screenshot in Sourceforge. I also have 34 themes in the them folder by default, so I had to make it [35]. Nutsmail looks like the cleanest, most modern looking option to me, but that's just my .02 Jake Vickers wrote: Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Roundcube has had several major security flaws in the past that allowed persistent crackers to obtain shell access on a server. I do not recommend it anymore as I have lost trust in the code base at this point. Mine is not the only opinion, but if you do go with it I would recommend trolling their forums every other day to keep up on vulnerabilities. There are some skins for Squirrelmail that others have suggested. I've personally used Nutsmail (nustmail.com http://nustmail.com) with it and it worked well. Horde is a little bit of setup, and I think it's interface is kludgy, but it does provide a little more functionality. eGroupware is a little cleaner and provides a lot of extra functionality, but I have not set it up for Qmail yet myself. Someone else sent me a link a while back for another one that was perl based that looked different, but I did not test it out much. How about we keep this thread going and add links to the reply, so we have one lone list of webmail apps to try out. I'll start it: http://roundcube.net http://nutsmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/squirreloutlook/ http://www.egroupware.org/ http://www.horde.org/ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 | fax 510.864.7300 http://yother.com - -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Webmail Interface
Roundcube is more secure than it once was, but I'm not sure of it's present state. I've also heard the same about Horde as what Max said. eGroupware fits in the same category as Horde, although it's much more than simply webmail. I'll be looking into eGroupware in depth in the near future. If anyone else has experience with eGroupware, please let me know. And there are SM skins. That's the extent of what I'm aware of. -- -Eric 'shubes' Maxwell Smart wrote: Roundcube is insecure. Horde is good from what I've heard, but can be difficult to setup. Check out some of the Squirrelmail http://www.nutsmail.com skins. They are very clean and modern looking. Sales wrote: What other webmail interfaces are people using? I have had squirrelmail running for several years on a toaster, but am building a new toaster and want a new interface. I think the final straw was my 65 year old mother telling me it looked dated and that she didn’t like using it. Roundcube looks promising, but am wondering just how far along it is, Horde looks like a pain, and then there are a myriad of others. I wish SM would change the look, because it works well - something a little more Outlookish would be great, but I don’t think they ever plan that. Just need some hints, and something that is easy to install and maintain. Jack Martin MagicWISP -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 1.510.865.2787 | fax 1.510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com