Re: [qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[Eric Shubert]

I'm not sure how that's going to play out. My impression at this point is
that MM6.44+ is not backwards compatible with the sa-toaster.spec file. I
expect that at some point the sa-toaster.spec file will need to check the
version of MM in order to know which way it needs to do the build. That way
the MM version will be transparent to sa-toaster.

James Palmer wrote:
> Will future versions of QMT have a dependancy on MM 6.44+?
> 
> I seem to recall you mentioning that also!
> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> On 14 Aug 2008, at 17:30, Eric Shubert wrote:
> 
>> James Palmer wrote:
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> A few months ago you said the best way to upgrade to MakeMaker v6.44
>>> was:
>>>
>>> /The bad news is that MakeMaker is part of the main perl package.
>>> COS4 has
>>> perl-5.8.5-36.el4_5.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.17. COS5 has
>>> perl-5.8.8-10.el5_0.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.30. The only way I can
>>> find to install MakeMaker 6.44 is to upgrade CPAN. Note, not upgrade
>>> *using*
>>> CPAN, upgrade CPAN itself, as in "perl -e 'use CPAN; install
>>> Bundle::CPAN'".
>>> The newer MakeMaker will be updated as a dependency of CPAN./
>>>
>>> Am I correct in assuming that we no longer need to update to MM v6.44
>>> and that upgrading CPAN itself is not needed?  Or am I getting confused?
>>
>> Yes, and no. ;)
>>
>> We'll have to keep our eyes on MakeMaker. Hopefully there will be a
>> post-6.44 version that is fixed better than the 6.44 version by the time
>> that it's rolled into the base package.
>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On 14 Aug 2008, at 04:41, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>>
 Hey list,

 I just upgraded a few toasters (test and production, i386 only), and
 thought
 I'd share a few observations:

 .) It appears that updating the perl package via yum reverted
 MakeMaker.pm
 from v6.44 to v6.30 on CentOS5/perl5.8.8, and from v6.44 to v6.17 on
 CentOS4/perl5.8.5. As a result, I had no problem with installing
 spamassassin-toaster-3.2.5-1.3.14.

 .) I had no perl dependency issues on either CentOS release.

 .) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially DON"T
 UPDATE
 Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to problems.

 The packages that were updated were clamav, spamassassin, and
 squirrelmail.

 BL, I belive it's a good idea to following these steps when updating
 toaster
 packages:
 .) install the qmailtoaster-plus repo, and install qmailtoaster-plus
 package
 (if you haven't done so already)
 .) yum update (the entire system)
 .) reboot if kernel was updated
 .) qtp-newmodel

 In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster
 packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[James Palmer]

Will future versions of QMT have a dependancy on MM 6.44+?

I seem to recall you mentioning that also!


James


On 14 Aug 2008, at 17:30, Eric Shubert wrote:


James Palmer wrote:

Eric,

A few months ago you said the best way to upgrade to MakeMaker  
v6.44 was:


/The bad news is that MakeMaker is part of the main perl package.  
COS4 has

perl-5.8.5-36.el4_5.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.17. COS5 has
perl-5.8.8-10.el5_0.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.30. The only way  
I can
find to install MakeMaker 6.44 is to upgrade CPAN. Note, not  
upgrade *using*
CPAN, upgrade CPAN itself, as in "perl -e 'use CPAN; install  
Bundle::CPAN'".

The newer MakeMaker will be updated as a dependency of CPAN./

Am I correct in assuming that we no longer need to update to MM v6.44
and that upgrading CPAN itself is not needed?  Or am I getting  
confused?


Yes, and no. ;)

We'll have to keep our eyes on MakeMaker. Hopefully there will be a
post-6.44 version that is fixed better than the 6.44 version by the  
time

that it's rolled into the base package.


Best Regards,

James

On 14 Aug 2008, at 04:41, Eric Shubert wrote:


Hey list,

I just upgraded a few toasters (test and production, i386 only), and
thought
I'd share a few observations:

.) It appears that updating the perl package via yum reverted  
MakeMaker.pm

from v6.44 to v6.30 on CentOS5/perl5.8.8, and from v6.44 to v6.17 on
CentOS4/perl5.8.5. As a result, I had no problem with installing
spamassassin-toaster-3.2.5-1.3.14.

.) I had no perl dependency issues on either CentOS release.

.) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially  
DON"T UPDATE
Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to  
problems.


The packages that were updated were clamav, spamassassin, and
squirrelmail.

BL, I belive it's a good idea to following these steps when updating
toaster
packages:
.) install the qmailtoaster-plus repo, and install qmailtoaster-plus
package
(if you haven't done so already)
.) yum update (the entire system)
.) reboot if kernel was updated
.) qtp-newmodel

In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster
packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[Eric Shubert]

James Palmer wrote:
> Eric,
> 
> A few months ago you said the best way to upgrade to MakeMaker v6.44 was:
> 
> /The bad news is that MakeMaker is part of the main perl package. COS4 has
> perl-5.8.5-36.el4_5.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.17. COS5 has
> perl-5.8.8-10.el5_0.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.30. The only way I can
> find to install MakeMaker 6.44 is to upgrade CPAN. Note, not upgrade *using*
> CPAN, upgrade CPAN itself, as in "perl -e 'use CPAN; install Bundle::CPAN'".
> The newer MakeMaker will be updated as a dependency of CPAN./
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that we no longer need to update to MM v6.44
> and that upgrading CPAN itself is not needed?  Or am I getting confused?

Yes, and no. ;)

We'll have to keep our eyes on MakeMaker. Hopefully there will be a
post-6.44 version that is fixed better than the 6.44 version by the time
that it's rolled into the base package.

> Best Regards,
> 
> James
> 
> On 14 Aug 2008, at 04:41, Eric Shubert wrote:
> 
>> Hey list,
>>
>> I just upgraded a few toasters (test and production, i386 only), and
>> thought
>> I'd share a few observations:
>>
>> .) It appears that updating the perl package via yum reverted MakeMaker.pm
>> from v6.44 to v6.30 on CentOS5/perl5.8.8, and from v6.44 to v6.17 on
>> CentOS4/perl5.8.5. As a result, I had no problem with installing
>> spamassassin-toaster-3.2.5-1.3.14.
>>
>> .) I had no perl dependency issues on either CentOS release.
>>
>> .) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially DON"T UPDATE
>> Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to problems.
>>
>> The packages that were updated were clamav, spamassassin, and
>> squirrelmail.
>>
>> BL, I belive it's a good idea to following these steps when updating
>> toaster
>> packages:
>> .) install the qmailtoaster-plus repo, and install qmailtoaster-plus
>> package
>> (if you haven't done so already)
>> .) yum update (the entire system)
>> .) reboot if kernel was updated
>> .) qtp-newmodel
>>
>> In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster
>> packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.
>>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[James Palmer]

Eric,

A few months ago you said the best way to upgrade to MakeMaker v6.44  
was:


The bad news is that MakeMaker is part of the main perl package. COS4  
has

perl-5.8.5-36.el4_5.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.17. COS5 has
perl-5.8.8-10.el5_0.2, which contains MakeMaker 6.30. The only way I can
find to install MakeMaker 6.44 is to upgrade CPAN. Note, not upgrade  
*using*
CPAN, upgrade CPAN itself, as in "perl -e 'use CPAN; install  
Bundle::CPAN'".

The newer MakeMaker will be updated as a dependency of CPAN.

Am I correct in assuming that we no longer need to update to MM v6.44  
and that upgrading CPAN itself is not needed?  Or am I getting confused?




Best Regards,

James

On 14 Aug 2008, at 04:41, Eric Shubert wrote:


Hey list,

I just upgraded a few toasters (test and production, i386 only), and  
thought

I'd share a few observations:

.) It appears that updating the perl package via yum reverted  
MakeMaker.pm

from v6.44 to v6.30 on CentOS5/perl5.8.8, and from v6.44 to v6.17 on
CentOS4/perl5.8.5. As a result, I had no problem with installing
spamassassin-toaster-3.2.5-1.3.14.

.) I had no perl dependency issues on either CentOS release.

.) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially DON"T  
UPDATE

Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to problems.

The packages that were updated were clamav, spamassassin, and  
squirrelmail.


BL, I belive it's a good idea to following these steps when updating  
toaster

packages:
.) install the qmailtoaster-plus repo, and install qmailtoaster-plus  
package

(if you haven't done so already)
.) yum update (the entire system)
.) reboot if kernel was updated
.) qtp-newmodel

In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster
packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[Harry Zink]

On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Eric Shubert wrote:

.) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially DON"T  
UPDATE

Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to problems.


You know what - that's probably what my problem was, then -- I do  
recall that, at one point, I did the CPAN update via CPAN. Yeah, bad  
Harry, bad.



In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster


Always do.



packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.


Won't happen again :-(

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[qmailtoaster] Upgrading notes

[Eric Shubert]

Hey list,

I just upgraded a few toasters (test and production, i386 only), and thought
I'd share a few observations:

.) It appears that updating the perl package via yum reverted MakeMaker.pm
from v6.44 to v6.30 on CentOS5/perl5.8.8, and from v6.44 to v6.17 on
CentOS4/perl5.8.5. As a result, I had no problem with installing
spamassassin-toaster-3.2.5-1.3.14.

.) I had no perl dependency issues on either CentOS release.

.) NEVER use CPAN to update your perl modules, and especially DON"T UPDATE
Module::CPAN ITSELF! It's not necessary, and it can lead to problems.

The packages that were updated were clamav, spamassassin, and squirrelmail.

BL, I belive it's a good idea to following these steps when updating toaster
packages:
.) install the qmailtoaster-plus repo, and install qmailtoaster-plus package
(if you haven't done so already)
.) yum update (the entire system)
.) reboot if kernel was updated
.) qtp-newmodel

In general, always "yum update" your system before upgrading toaster
packages, and don't use CPAN for managing perl packages.

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