Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-10 Thread Jake Vickers 

PakOgah wrote:




I think some Debian sysadmins might take issue with that. While what 
you've

said is true for Ubuntu, I believe that Debian is considered to be more
stable than RHEL, and only receives security updates. I suppose it 
depends

on which release of Debian you talk about. Debian 'stable' is quite so,
nearly to the fault of being partially obsolete.

  
I am never Ubuntu as Desktop or as Server but I am looking forward to 
use it as both
I am always wonder why Ubuntu is the #1 distro in distrowatch.com for 
the last 2 - 3 years...






It's #1 because it pretty much just works with everything.  Install it 
and if all your hardware doesn't just work I'd be surprised.  You don't 
have to fiddle with it like Fedora or some of the other distros.
And you're right - I was speaking of Debian distros in general, not any 
specific.  Some do get more updates than others, but they all seem to 
use newer versions of software and as such receive more updates because 
the software isn't as tried and true as the versions other distros like 
RHEL/Cent use. I was mainly speaking from my experience - the RHEL/Cent 
servers get a couple updates once a month or so, and the Debian machines 
I have get updates pretty much weekly. They may be cosmetic for the most 
part, but updates none-the-less.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread PakOgah 

Eric Shubert wrote:

Jake Vickers wrote:
  

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:


I always used Fedora/CentOs, but since I never head anyone here
speaking of
Ubuntu, just asked to see if someone has done any experience with it.
  
  

I use it as a desktop and on my laptop. I have 3 or 4 servers that are
Ubuntu, and they're the same management wise as Debian machines. 
CentOS/RHEL is a considered more stable, but they also don't use the

latest package releases.  Your Ubuntu/Debian machines will use newer
packages, so you get newer versions of apache and bind and such.  You
just get more updates with your Debian/Ubuntu servers than the Cent/RHEL
ones.





I think some Debian sysadmins might take issue with that. While what you've
said is true for Ubuntu, I believe that Debian is considered to be more
stable than RHEL, and only receives security updates. I suppose it depends
on which release of Debian you talk about. Debian 'stable' is quite so,
nearly to the fault of being partially obsolete.

  
I am never Ubuntu as Desktop or as Server but I am looking forward to 
use it as both
I am always wonder why Ubuntu is the #1 distro in distrowatch.com for 
the last 2 - 3 years...




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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Eric Shubert 
Jake Vickers wrote:
> Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:
>> I always used Fedora/CentOs, but since I never head anyone here
>> speaking of
>> Ubuntu, just asked to see if someone has done any experience with it.
>>   
> 
> I use it as a desktop and on my laptop. I have 3 or 4 servers that are
> Ubuntu, and they're the same management wise as Debian machines. 
> CentOS/RHEL is a considered more stable, but they also don't use the
> latest package releases.  Your Ubuntu/Debian machines will use newer
> packages, so you get newer versions of apache and bind and such.  You
> just get more updates with your Debian/Ubuntu servers than the Cent/RHEL
> ones.
> 
> 

I think some Debian sysadmins might take issue with that. While what you've
said is true for Ubuntu, I believe that Debian is considered to be more
stable than RHEL, and only receives security updates. I suppose it depends
on which release of Debian you talk about. Debian 'stable' is quite so,
nearly to the fault of being partially obsolete.

-- 
-Eric 'shubes'

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Jake Vickers 

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:

I always used Fedora/CentOs, but since I never head anyone here speaking of
Ubuntu, just asked to see if someone has done any experience with it.
  


I use it as a desktop and on my laptop. I have 3 or 4 servers that are 
Ubuntu, and they're the same management wise as Debian machines.  
CentOS/RHEL is a considered more stable, but they also don't use the 
latest package releases.  Your Ubuntu/Debian machines will use newer 
packages, so you get newer versions of apache and bind and such.  You 
just get more updates with your Debian/Ubuntu servers than the Cent/RHEL 
ones.



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RE: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Sergio Minini {NETKEY} 
I always used Fedora/CentOs, but since I never head anyone here speaking of
Ubuntu, just asked to see if someone has done any experience with it.

Thanks y'all for your replies!
Sergio

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> Hi Sergio,
> 
> I too agree with Kyle,  Ubuntu is not as widely used for 
> Servers as CentOS.  CentOS is essentially RedHat, just rebadged.
> 
> Go CentOS if you have the choice.  It's a proven solution and 
> QMT runs beautifully on it.
> 
> Just my 2p too
> 
> Rich
> 
> > I also use it as desktop. I was wondering how "good" the server 
> > version is. I dont know if its very "popular" as a server OS.
> > S.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Kyle Quillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:37 PM
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> >> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu
> >>
> >>
> >> Sergio,
> >> I use Ubuntu extensively for all my desktop machines 
> however I do not 
> >> like it for a server version Centos just seems to be the way to go
> >>
> >> At least for me.  Just throwing my 2 cents out.
> >>
> >> q
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:01 -0300, Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:
> >> > Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to run QMT in an Ubuntu 
> >> > Server? Anyone has any experience with this distro as a Server?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your thoughts- Sergio
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
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> >> > http://www.netkey.com.ar
> >> >
> >> >  P: ¿Realmente necesitás imprimir este correo electrónico?
> >> Ahorremos
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RE: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread richard 
Hi Sergio,

I too agree with Kyle,  Ubuntu is not as widely used for Servers as
CentOS.  CentOS is essentially RedHat, just rebadged.

Go CentOS if you have the choice.  It's a proven solution and QMT runs
beautifully on it.

Just my 2p too

Rich

> I also use it as desktop. I was wondering how "good" the server version
> is.
> I dont know if its very "popular" as a server OS.
> S.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kyle Quillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:37 PM
>> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
>> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu
>>
>>
>> Sergio,
>> I use Ubuntu extensively for all my desktop machines however
>> I do not like it for a server version Centos just seems to be
>> the way to go
>>
>> At least for me.  Just throwing my 2 cents out.
>>
>> q
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:01 -0300, Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:
>> > Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to run QMT in an Ubuntu
>> > Server? Anyone has any experience with this distro as a Server?
>> >
>> > Thanks for your thoughts- Sergio
>> >
>> >
>> --
>> > --
>> > Sergio Minini :: NetKey Solutions :: ( 4742.1101 ::
>> > http://www.netkey.com.ar
>> >
>> >  P: ¿Realmente necesitás imprimir este correo electrónico?
>> Ahorremos
>> > papel.
>> >
>>
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RE: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Sergio Minini {NETKEY} 
I also use it as desktop. I was wondering how "good" the server version is.
I dont know if its very "popular" as a server OS.
S.

> -Original Message-
> From: Kyle Quillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:37 PM
> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu
> 
> 
> Sergio,
> I use Ubuntu extensively for all my desktop machines however 
> I do not like it for a server version Centos just seems to be 
> the way to go 
> 
> At least for me.  Just throwing my 2 cents out.  
> 
> q
>  
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:01 -0300, Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to run QMT in an Ubuntu 
> > Server? Anyone has any experience with this distro as a Server?
> >  
> > Thanks for your thoughts- Sergio
> >  
> > 
> --
> > --
> > Sergio Minini :: NetKey Solutions :: ( 4742.1101 ::
> > http://www.netkey.com.ar 
> >  
> >  P: ¿Realmente necesitás imprimir este correo electrónico? 
> Ahorremos 
> > papel.
> >  
> 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Kyle Quillen 
Sergio,
I use Ubuntu extensively for all my desktop machines however I do not
like it for a server version Centos just seems to be the way to go 

At least for me.  Just throwing my 2 cents out.  

q
 


On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:01 -0300, Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to run QMT in an Ubuntu
> Server?
> Anyone has any experience with this distro as a Server?
>  
> Thanks for your thoughts- Sergio
>  
> 
> Sergio Minini :: NetKey Solutions :: ( 4742.1101 ::
> http://www.netkey.com.ar 
>  
>  P: ¿Realmente necesitás imprimir este correo electrónico? Ahorremos
> papel.
>  


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT and Ubuntu

2008-06-09 Thread Jake Vickers 

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to run QMT in an Ubuntu Server?
Anyone has any experience with this distro as a Server?
 
Thanks for your thoughts- Sergio


I've built a couple packages (non-QMT, but Qmail) for Ubuntu, and I use 
it for a few servers.  It's the same as the Debian servers I've set up - 
depends on what you need to do.