[QUAD-L] Fwd: Marci's Medicare Update: Week of 08/22/05--Long-term care

2005-08-23 Thread DAANOO



Maybe interesting information to you.Dana (C4-5, 31 years post, 51, 
KC)
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Long-term care, commonly abbreviated as LTC, refers to a range of medical, personal and social services designed to meet the needs of people with disabilities, chronic illnesses or ongoing limitations in their ability to function asindependently as possible. LTC may be delivered at home, in a nursing home, inan adult day care facility or other facility. While Medicare does not pay for most long-term care needs, in this month'sissues we will examine the coverage Medicare does provide through the HomeHealth, Skilled Nursing Facility and Hospice benefits.



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Dear Marci,

Im currently living in a nursing home and as a resident I have to buy my medications from the pharmacy my facility contracts with. Will I be able to use the new Medicare prescription drug benefit?

Jim (Henderson, NV)

 Dear Jim,

Yes, Medicare private drug plans are required to provide convenient access to long-term care facility pharmacies in their plan networks. But you need to make sure you enroll in a Medicare prescription drug plan that works at the specific pharmacy that your nursing home uses and covers the drugs that you need.

If you are a nursing home resident and have both Medicare and Medicaid, your Medicaid drug coverage will end December 31, 2005 (your other Medicaid coverage will remain the same). Starting January 1, 2006, Medicare will begin covering your drugs. You will be automatically enrolled in extra help paying for Medicare prescription drug coverage and you will not have to pay anything for your medications. But you should choose and enroll in the Medicare private drug plan that is right for you. If you do not make a plan selection by December 31, 2005, you will be automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan that may not cover the drugs you need or work with your pharmacy.

In order to ensure thatyou have access to the prescription drugs you need as a long-term care facility resident, you will be able to change your Medicare private drug plan when you enter a nursing home and once a month while you are living there. In addition, when you leave the facility, you will have two months to change your Medicare private drug plan, should your current plan not fit your needs outside the facility.

To guarantee access to the appropriate drugs, there will be a mandatory transition period for nursing home residents during which plans must honor a 60-180 day prescription if a resident's current medication is not included in their formulary.

Note: If you do not have Medicaid, you may qualify for extra help paying your Medicare prescription drug costs (including the monthly premium, deductible and coinsurance) if your monthly income is below $1,197 for singles ($1,604 for couples) and your assets are below $11,500 for singles ($23,000 for couples). But you have to apply for this help  apply online atSocial Security.

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Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt miracle mist link

2005-08-23 Thread DAANOO




In a message dated 8/23/2005 4:53:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, DAANOO 
writes:
 
  
  
  Hi quad-gang:
  
  I'm enclosing the link below about the story in New Mobility about a girl 
  that was facing amputation when all kinds of wound care treatment were not 
  working. She found miracle mist to work. It sure beats spending 
  thousands of dollars on dressings and treatment. I'm going to order a 
  bottle.Dana (C4-5, 31 years post, 51, KC)http://www.newmobility.com/review_article3.cfm?id=1027action=""> 
  In a message dated 8/21/2005 1:46:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   






River, I found 
the article very interesting, 
thanks for sharing. My 
son is right now seeing a wound care specialist regarding a wound on his 
ankle. It is improving but 
should that progress slow or stop I am headed out to find this product. 
Karen

-Original 
Message-From: River 
Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:08 
AMTo: Stacy 
HarimCc: 
Quad-ListSubject: Re: 
[QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt

Hi 
Stacy:



Here's a link for Miracle 
Misthttp://www.healthylifeandtimes.com/shop/miracle-mist-plus.aspwhat 



New Mobility had an article about this 
stuff, and it's supposed to be wonderful for healing sores. It's 
costly, but I think it's damn worth it if it cures the sore. Go to the 
New Mobility site and read the article.



I can't believe you have yet another 
hurdle to jump. I don't know how you do it. You are definitely a 
fighter



peace and 
love,

River
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[QUAD-L] Fwd: Fw: HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In P...

2005-08-23 Thread DAANOO



More info .Dana(C4-5, 31 years post, 51, KC)
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From: Justice For All Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In
Program Savings


 HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In Program
 Savings

 On August 18, the Medicaid Commission, appointed by U.S. Department of
 Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt, unanimously adopted
 its short-term recommendations for $10 billion in savings in the Medicaid
 program over the next five years. The recommendations will be sent to
 Secretary Leavitt in a report by September 1 in order to allow
 consideration by Congress during the budget reconciliation process this
 fall. The Commission has 13 voting members and 15 non-voting members.
 The final recommendations include a provision to allow states to charge
 beneficiaries increased co-payments for certain non-preferred
 prescription drugs in order to encourage beneficiaries to use the least
 costly effective prescriptions. Although several of the non-voting
 members of the Commission spoke vigorously against this proposal, Gwen
 Gillenwater was the only voting Commissioner to oppose this provision.
 Gillenwater is with the American Association of People with Disabilities
 and had proposed an amendment to replace this co-payment proposal. Her
 amendment failed. The co-payment provision is expected to save $2 billion
 over 5 years.

 Two additional provisions in the Commission's recommendations will have a
 direct impact on Medicaid beneficiaries or applicants through increasing
 penalties for people who transfer assets to qualify for Medicaid long tem
 care (changing the starting date of the penalty period and increasing the
 look-back period from 3 to 5 years).

 Other provisions included in the Commission's final recommendations
 address complex reimbursement issues: prescription drug reimbursement
 formula reform; extension of the Medicaid drug rebate program to Medicaid
 managed care; and reform of the Medicaid managed care organization
 provider tax requirement. The total package of recommendations would save
 between $10.3 to 11.1 billion over 5 years (2006-2010). More details on
 the provisions will be provided when they become available.

 The Arc and United Cerebral Palsy Disability Policy Collaboration's (DPC)
 Marty Ford addressed the Commission during the public comment portion of
 the Commission's two-day meeting. Ford's comments focused on the
 potential harm that adding co-payment requirements for purchasing drugs
 would impose on Medicaid beneficiaries, who already have few, if any,
 financial resources. Ford also asked the commission members to ensure
 that the special exemptions for transfers of assets and trusts remain
 intact for people with disabilities. After reviewing the Commission's
 recommendations, the exemptions seem to be still intact, but the
 Commission has not provided a clarification on this issue.

 The Commission's second report, due December 31, 2006, is intended to
 provide recommendations to help ensure the long-term sustainability of
 the Medicaid program. The Commission will begin addressing the Medicaid
 program's long-term issues at its next meeting in October.

 Upon receipt of the Commission's report after Labor Day, the House Energy
 and Commerce Committee and Senate Finance Committee, which have
 jurisdiction over Medicaid, will begin to mark up their versions of the
 reconciliation bill some time in September. It is unclear if the Congress
 will adhere to the Commission's recommendations or if it will extract
 Medicaid savings in other ways.


 Thanks to Disability Policy Collaboration



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Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread Jkrocks


 

Paul,

I'm a C-5/6 incomplete and I'm unable to transfer myself. I think 
before you start trying to transfer yourself first get evaluated by your local 
rehab. if you are able to transfer yourself to your local rehab will be 
able to show you the proper way. I don'tthink you wantto end 
up on the ground in some type of funky position.

Jim


[QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread wheelchair
I'm in full agreement with Jim! Transferring a Quad, is not always an easy 
task.
For most, it requires plenty of training and testing.  There is only one way 
to
achieve that. The right way!
First, the body must be strong enough to effect a transfer.  Brittle bones 
will
snap under unnecessary strain.  Those bones must be toughen with resistance
exercise before they can be considered for performing transfers.  Muscles must
be tested and trained for lifting and twisting, otherwise, you are facing 
weeks
and months of rest from strained muscles and joints.
A certified OT, is trained and certified to evaluate an individual's 
abilities and
help determine the best, least stressful, least harmful way to perform the 
task
of transferring.
Best Wishes!
W


In a message dated 8/23/05 9:25:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm a C-5/6 incomplete and I'm unable to transfer myself.  I think  before 
you start trying to transfer yourself first get evaluated by your local  
rehab.  
if you are able to transfer yourself to your local rehab will be  able to 
show you the proper way.  I don't think you want to end  up on the ground in 
some 
type of funky position.
 
Jim 



[QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread TheOmen723




In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:12:33 AM Central Standard Time, TheOmen723 
writes:

  hey paul
  
  can you do a weight shift in your chair or turn 
  yourself at night? if not that would be a good starting point.i'm 
  c-5/6 incomplete, have veryweak tricepts and have been transfering 
  independently (without sliding board) for couple of years. i transfer to 
  the shower chair,stander, and bed. i use the tone in my legs to 
  help me move. when i start to lean forward myspasms automatically 
  kick in to help me lean back.when you first start transfering 
  you'll have atendency to scoot, which if you're in manual chairit 
  willslide away from you. i use my tone to give me a push to lift 
  and move over. i have never ended up on the floor doing a transfer 
  (KNOCK ON WOOD). when my tone is real bad and i don't 
  feel safe doing it i ask for help, though. 
  
  i'd rather ask for help getting in bed than getting off the floor
  


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hey paul

can you do a weight shift in your chair or turn 
yourself at night? if not that would be a good starting point.i'm 
c-5/6 incomplete, have veryweak tricepts and have been transfering 
independently (without sliding board) for couple of years. i transfer to 
the shower chair,stander, and bed. i use the tone in my legs to help 
me move. when i start to lean forward myspasms automatically kick in 
to help me lean back.when you first start transfering you'll have 
atendency to scoot, which if you're in manual chairit 
willslide away from you. i use my tone to give me a push to lift and 
move over. i have never ended up on the floor doing a transfer 
(KNOCK ON WOOD). when my tone is real bad and i don't 
feel safe doing it i ask for help, though. 

i'd rather ask for help getting in bed than getting off the floor

luke

In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:08:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi Everyone,
  
  I am a C5/6 complete quad who would like to transfer myself from chair to 
  bed.Anyone able to transfer themselves at my level of injury or any level? Any 
  tips or techniques or equipment to help me?
  
  Thanks Paul



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Re: [QUAD-L] S--P - Telephones?

2005-08-23 Thread QuadPirate






Michael,
I have a remote control ceiling fan and they're very common and cheap at your local home depot.
But you need a thumb.

Mark

---Original Message---


From: Michael Norville
Date: 08/22/05 22:37:34
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [QUAD-L] S--P - Telephones?


Good Evening -
Anyone on the list have any firsthand eXperience/knowledge with devices which will turn on ceiling fans such as the one directly above my head? You know on the ceiling?Above my head... right above... Uh, OK... Unfortunately, it doesn't have a wall switch and so I'm not certain if any "Environmental Control" applications will be viable. 
Also, I've bEen using a Sip--Puff telephone system which I purchased sometime in the '80s from a company called:
'InvoTek' - Tom Jakobs, P.E. President - InvoTek, Inc. 1026 Riverview Drive Alma, AR 72921.
Theyno longer sell nor service this particular unit. And, it's truly served its purpose, above and beyond... anyway, I just nEed a similar device with an emergency "Puff Switch" that can be utiliZed without spEaking in case of Ventilator disconnecti0n. It works by spEaking into a micr0phone and reQuesting a persons name and the number will be subseQuently dialed aut0matically. But, if by chance you're unable to spEak (Ventilator malfuncti0n) this is where the emergency "Puff Switch" can literally save your life! Especially, if you're alOne at night and the teleph0ne is your only lifeline. 
So, there yOu have it... Any hElp with theseQ's will be grEatly appreciated! 
EnjOy yoUr evEning...
D0wn by that Highwayside -
~Michael '-/
P.S. BTW - Money's an object, in my particular situation.
"Be aware of the time passing by, they say the end it's the wink of an eye" 
"Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!"

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Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Home help/health care DD

2005-08-23 Thread Smurfonwheels




Hey CtrlAltDel,

I think you may well have just solved a mystery here!! My doctors 
have been sure that something else along side my spinal accident is the result 
of my paralysis, but nobody have known exactly what... I 
have a neurological condition called RSD. I also keep having seizures 
possibly down to a form of epilepsy. You could be onto something 
here!

Thank you!! I've keep you updated

Love Smurf xxx

In a message dated 23/08/2005 00:23:42 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Hi Smurf,
  
  There are different reasons for developmental disorders, but the term 
  generally refers to a condition where the brain has not developed 
  correctly. Here is a Web Site that will explain some of the specific 
  conditions.
  
  http://nindssearch.ninds.nih.gov/verity_web/templates/jsp/pages/search/public_graphical_internal_advanced.jsp?AdvQueryText=QuerySubmit=truePage=CollectionSelection=1Coll=NINDS_InternalQueryText=Developmental+Disorders+
  
  I hope this helps. :)
  
  With Love,
  CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, 
  USA 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Do you know what it all means? I've never heard of the term 
before

Love Smurf xxx

In a message dated 22/08/2005 18:58:13 GMT Standard Time, wheelchair 
writes:
I 
  believe that DD represents the term, Developmental DisAbilityBest 
  WishesWIn a message dated 8/22/05 12:52:58 PM, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all,I 
  know this is going to come across as a stupiud question, but what does 
  it mean to be/or have DD? It's only because I noticed 
  in one of the emails that your considered DD if you was 
  injuried before the age of 21. I was injuried when I 
  was 18.Help me out guys!Love Smurf xxx 
  






Re: [QUAD-L] S--P - Telephones?

2005-08-23 Thread B. Kimberlin \(Quadius\)
I believe you can find almost everything you need an ECU (environmental control unit). I use Quartet and even though I have the ability to use voice, I still have a sip-n-puff backup, which I use exclusively in bed in lieu of voice. The new ones are rather pricey, but maybe you can find an older model. They are also great for operating televisions, VCRs, and a multitude of other devices. I am not sure, but it should be possible to operate a ceiling fan with some X10 features. I have control of my ceiling fan in my bedroom, however, I have a wall-mounted switch and the fan is also not that powerful. I have tried to get control of the one in my office, using X10, but the fan is to powerful and these devices will not work. I do believe there are some heavy-duty appliance modules, but I have not done extensive research.Billy Michael Norville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Good Evening -
Anyone on the list have any firsthand eXperience/knowledge with devices which will turn on ceiling fans such as the one directly above my head? You know on the ceiling?Above my head... right above... Uh, OK... Unfortunately, it doesn't have a wall switch and so I'm not certain if any "Environmental Control" applications will be viable. 
Also, I've bEen using a Sip--Puff telephone system which I purchased sometime in the '80s from a company called:
'InvoTek' - Tom Jakobs, P.E. President - InvoTek, Inc. 1026 Riverview Drive Alma, AR 72921.
Theyno longer sell nor service this particular unit. And, it's truly served its purpose, above and beyond... anyway, I just nEed a similar device with an emergency "Puff Switch" that can be utiliZed without spEaking in case of Ventilator disconnecti0n. It works by spEaking into a micr0phone and reQuesting a persons name and the number will be subseQuently dialed aut0matically. But, if by chance you're unable to spEak (Ventilator malfuncti0n) this is where the emergency "Puff Switch" can literally save your life! Especially, if you're alOne at night and the teleph0ne is your only lifeline. 
So, there yOu have it... Any hElp with theseQ's will be grEatly appreciated! 
EnjOy yoUr evEning...
D0wn by that Highwayside -
~Michael '-/
P.S. BTW - Money's an object, in my particular situation.
"Be aware of the time passing by, they say the end it's the wink of an eye" 
"Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!"

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Re: [QUAD-L] get pressure sore well

2005-08-23 Thread Chet Smith
Hello Stacy,
 Is where you're having to sit on it because if that's the case you may have to
sacrifice a few day's and stay completely off of it to get it well, plus use Bag
Balm on your pressure sore to speed up the healing process. You can get
the Bag Balm at any feed and seed store most of the time. Hope it gets better
for you and then stays away.

Chet ( Cquad7 )Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hey guys,

I have a pressure sore right on the inside of my thigh at the top. I had a pressure mapping but no pressure shows there so can't get Medicare to cover a different cushion. School starts soon and really can't afford to take off. Has anyone healed a sore while being up between 6-8 hours a day? Would a roho help? Thanks. I am so sick with myself over this. I'm trying to stay off of it in my current situation but it's hard when I live alone.

Thanks guys,
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Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt

2005-08-23 Thread Chet Smith
 I use the same 

 Chet (Cquad7 )[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
I use a Jay 2 deep contour gel cushion that is designed for people that are at high risk for pressure sores. So far, knock on wood, I have not even come close to having a pressure soar on my bottom or my thighs.

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Re: [QUAD-L] Fwd: Fw: HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In P...

2005-08-23 Thread David K. Kelmer

Hi Dana,

Thanks for sharing the info. It is appreciated as well as useful.

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


More info .Dana(C4-5, 31 years post, 51, KC)From: "Stephanie Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "micassa list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In Program SavingDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:10:32 -0500- Original Message - From: "Justice For All Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:37 PMSubject: HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion InProgram Savings HHS Medicaid Commission Adopts Recommendations For $10 Billion In Program Savings On August 18, the Medicaid Commission, appointed by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt, unanimously adopted its short-term recommendations for $10 billion in savings in the Medicaid program over the next five years. The recommendati!
 ons will
 be sent to Secretary Leavitt in a report by September 1 in order to allow consideration by Congress during the budget reconciliation process this fall. The Commission has 13 voting members and 15 non-voting members. The final recommendations include a provision to allow states to charge beneficiaries increased co-payments for certain non-preferred prescription drugs in order to encourage beneficiaries to use the least costly effective prescriptions. Although several of the non-voting members of the Commission spoke vigorously against this proposal, Gwen Gillenwater was the only voting Commissioner to oppose this provision. Gillenwater is with the American Association of People with Disabilities and had proposed an amendment to replace this co-payment proposal. Her amendment failed. The co-payment provision is expected to save $2 billion over 5 years. Two a!
 dditional
 provisions in the Commission's recommendations will have a direct impact on Medicaid beneficiaries or applicants through increasing penalties for people who transfer assets to qualify for Medicaid long tem care (changing the starting date of the penalty period and increasing the look-back period from 3 to 5 years). Other provisions included in the Commission's final recommendations address complex reimbursement issues: prescription drug reimbursement formula reform; extension of the Medicaid drug rebate program to Medicaid managed care; and reform of the Medicaid managed care organization provider tax requirement. The total package of recommendations would save between $10.3 to 11.1 billion over 5 years (2006-2010). More details on the provisions will be provided when they become available. The Arc and United Cerebral Palsy Disability Policy Collaboration's (DPC)
 Marty Ford addressed the Commission during the public comment portion of the Commission's two-day meeting. Ford's comments focused on the potential harm that adding co-payment requirements for purchasing drugs would impose on Medicaid beneficiaries, who already have few, if any, financial resources. Ford also asked the commission members to ensure that the special exemptions for transfers of assets and trusts remain intact for people with disabilities. After reviewing the Commission's recommendations, the exemptions seem to be still intact, but the Commission has not provided a clarification on this issue. The Commission's second report, due December 31, 2006, is intended to provide recommendations to help ensure the long-term sustainability of the Medicaid program. The Commission will begin addressing the Medicaid program's long-term issues at its next meeting in
 October. Upon receipt of the Commission's report after Labor Day, the House Energy and Commerce Committee and Senate Finance Committee, which have jurisdiction over Medicaid, will begin to mark up their versions of the reconciliation bill some time in September. It is unclear if the Congress will adhere to the Commission's recommendations or if it will extract Medicaid savings in other ways. Thanks to Disability Policy Collaboration # # # -- DISCLAIMER: The JFA Listserv is designed to share information of interest to people with disabilities and promote dialogue in the disability community. Information circulated does not necessarily express the views of AAPD. The JFA Listserv is non-partisan. JOIN AAPD! There's strength in numbers! Be a part of a national coalition of people w!
 ith
 disabilities and join AAPD today. http://www.aapd-dc.org JFA ARCHIVES. All JFA postings from 1995 to present are available at: http://www.aapd-dc.org/JFA/JFAabout.html NOTE: Some Internet Providers (including AOL, Earthlink and Juno) may see JFA postings as spam because of the large volume of JFA mail recipients and fail to deliver the posting. If this happens, the JFA system may automatically unsubscribe some email addresses. Should you stop receiving JFA Alerts, please subscribe to JFA again as per the instructions at 

RE: [QUAD-L] Home help/health care - Gabe

2005-08-23 Thread Lana Baugh








Smurf,



DD sometimes refers to Developmental Disabilities.
It is a term used by Docs and psychologist to refer to a disability 

that has been present since birth. Sometimes
its just the title of a program. The Feds use it in a variety of ways.
One is for eligibility for the DD part of the Protection and Advocacy programs.
In that definition you have to have at least three functional lifelong disabilities
that occurred before you reached the age of 22. Different states have different
definitions for a lot of their non- federal programs. DD can mean a lot of
things. It all depends on the situation and who you are working with. 



Hope this helps. To me its very
confusing because every time I run into a different program I see a different
definition.



Lana,

Gabes mom









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005
11:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Home
help/health care - Gabe









Hey all,











I know this is
going to come across as a stupiud question, but what does it mean to be/or have
DD? It's only because I noticed in one of the emails that your considered
DD if you was injuried before the age of 21. I was injuried when I was
18.











Help me out
guys!











Love Smurf xxx











In a message
dated 20/08/2005 21:55:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Liz,

When I worked at the PA and we had to determine eligibility by
the fed standards a SCI met the standard of DD.

Lana

Gabes mom









From: Liz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005
6:26 AM
To: Lana Baugh; 'Lori Michaelson'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Home
help/health care - Gabe







Not sure how true it is but if you were
injured before 21 you are considered DD.







- Original Message - 





From: Lana
Baugh 





To: 'Lori Michaelson' ; quad-list@eskimo.com






Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 PM





Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Home help/health care - Gabe









Lori,

Its true that individuals with developmental disabilities
have different needs and different programs. Working through the DD
maze is just as difficult and problematic. Ive worked through
both in our state. We had to fight to get Gabes programs and prove that
we and our insurance were capable of providing time and $$. Gabe is one
individual in our state that is fortunate enough to receive 24/7 in his home. 3
-8 hour shifts. However, to be eligible he has to be very very ill all the time
as well as having parents and insurance that provide time and $. I really
wish he had a world of opportunities open to him. 

Individuals with a SCI as a single diagnosis are very unlikely to
receive 24/7 in our state. However, I know a lot of people with and parents of
individuals with developmental disabilities that are fighting to get better
services for all, including people with SCI. They do not put down people with
SCI. They work side by side with them. We have a great coalition of
people and agencies that are banding together to resolve services for everyone.
Its not us and them. We call ourselves the Coalition of Idahoans with
Disabilities. We are a large group, about 25 agencies, non-profit and for
profit. We have come along way, made a lot of changes and we have a long way to
go. We all suffer when we have losses and we are all sure we will have
success. We will have 24/7 for everyone. 

Lana

Gabes mom

















From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:07
PM
To: Quad
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Home
help/health care - Gabe






 
  
  
  Yeah. Lana mentioned DD was involved and THAT is a
  whole other ball game! Anyone with developmental disabilities
  
  
  has a world of opportunities open to them. Again,
  life isn't fair and the government is NOT here to help you. LOL
  
  
  
  
  
  Lori
Michaelson
  
  
  C4/5 complete quad, 25 years post
  
  
  Tucson,
   AZ
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  ---Original Message---
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  Date: 08/19/05
  16:53:38
  
  
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com
  
  
  Subject: Re:
  [QUAD-L] Home help/health care - Gabe
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I'm never surprised
  anymore. I know 2 brothers with birth defects that live in their own home and
  their father GETS PAID to manage their 24/7 help. These are guys that
  wouldn't know if they were in a nursing home or pigeon coop.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  john
  
  
  
  
  
  In a message dated
  8/19/2005 3:48:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
  
   


Lana,





You've mentioned before that Gabe gets home help via a
waiver (and maybe some other source as well?) 24/7.





I am shocked by that as probably many here on the list
are. That would be three 8-hr shifts, or bywhichever
arrangement, and I know

  

Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Home help/health care DD

2005-08-23 Thread David K. Kelmer

Hi Smurf,

I'm always happy to help my Goth Smurf friends across the 'Pond.' Good luck and stay strong.

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hey CtrlAltDel,

I think you may well have just solved a mystery here!! My doctors have been sure that something else along side my spinal accident is the result of my paralysis, but nobody have known exactly what... I have a neurological condition called RSD. I also keep having seizures possibly down to a form of epilepsy. You could be onto something here!

Thank you!! I've keep you updated

Love Smurf xxx

In a message dated 23/08/2005 00:23:42 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Smurf,

There are different reasons for developmental disorders, but the term generally refers to a condition where the brain has not developed correctly. Here is a Web Site that will explain some of the specific conditions.

http://nindssearch.ninds.nih.gov/verity_web/templates/jsp/pages/search/public_graphical_internal_advanced.jsp?AdvQueryText=QuerySubmit=truePage=CollectionSelection=1Coll=NINDS_InternalQueryText=Developmental+Disorders+

I hope this helps. :)

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Do you know what it all means? I've never heard of the term before

Love Smurf xxx

In a message dated 22/08/2005 18:58:13 GMT Standard Time, wheelchair writes:
I believe that DD represents the term, Developmental DisAbilityBest WishesWIn a message dated 8/22/05 12:52:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all,I know this is going to come across as a stupiud question, but what does it mean to be/or have DD? It's only because I noticed in one of the emails that your considered DD if you was injuried before the age of 21. I was injuried when I was 18.Help me out guys!Love Smurf xxx 





Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread Houston809
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers



Im a C6 C7 I do sliding board transfers. I can get my legs onto bed myself or rather could a few yrs ago. Ive been letting my aids ut my feet up onto bed after I slide over. 


On 8/22/05 9:46 PM, Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I saw a video of a quad transferring himself once but can't remember where. He had an L shaped transfer board and it had straps somehow. I think he slid his hands in the straps, transferred himself and picked his legs up w/the board. The video didn't show how he took his hands out of the straps or anything. It was a long time ago.

Good luck Paul,
Stacy
 
- Original Message - 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

To: quad-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:07 PM

Subject: [QUAD-L] Transfers



Hi Everyone,



I am a C5/6 complete quad who would like to transfer myself from chair to bed.Anyone able to transfer themselves at my level of injury or any level? Any tips or techniques or equipment to help me?



Thanks Paul








Re: [QUAD-L] S--P - Telephones?

2005-08-23 Thread Houston809
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] S--P - Telephones?



Ill talk 2 my neighbor she has all the things youre asking about.

On 8/22/05 10:36 PM, Michael Norville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Good Evening -





Anyone on the list have any firsthand eXperience/knowledge with devices which will turn on ceiling fans such as the one directly above my head? You know on the ceiling? Above my head... right above... Uh, OK... Unfortunately, it doesn't have a wall switch and so I'm not certain if any Environmental Control applications will be viable. 





Also, I've bEen using a Sip--Puff telephone system which I purchased sometime in the '80s from a company called:





 'InvoTek' - Tom Jakobs, P.E. President - InvoTek, Inc. 1026 Riverview Drive Alma, AR 72921.





They no longer sell nor service this particular unit. And, it's truly served its purpose, above and beyond... anyway, I just nEed a similar device with an emergency Puff Switch that can be utiliZed without spEaking in case of Ventilator disconnecti0n. It works by spEaking into a micr0phone and reQuesting a persons name and the number will be subseQuently dialed aut0matically. But, if by chance you're unable to spEak (Ventilator malfuncti0n) this is where the emergency Puff Switch can literally save your life! Especially, if you're alOne at night and the teleph0ne is your only lifeline. 





So, there yOu have it... Any hElp with these Q's will be grEatly appreciated! 





EnjOy yoUr evEning...





D0wn by that Highwayside -





~ Michael '-/
 





P.S.  BTW - Money's an object, in my particular situation.








 
Be aware of the time passing by, 
they say the end it's the wink of an eye 






Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!



 





http://community.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies http://www.wine-advocate.com/ 


 http://community-2.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies/index.html http://community-2.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies/index.html 








Re: [QUAD-L] get pressure sore well

2005-08-23 Thread Silas Shelburne




  Hey Chet, 
  Can you use the bag balm right in a open 
  wound? 
  Silas 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Chet Smith 

To: Stacy Harim ; Quad_List 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:58 
AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] get pressure sore 
well

Hello Stacy,
 Is where you're having to sit on it because if that's the case 
you may have to
sacrifice a few day's and stay completely off of it to get it 
well, plus use Bag
Balm on your pressure sore to speed up the healing process. You 
can get
the Bag Balm at any feed and seed store most of the time. Hope it 
gets better
for you and then stays away.

Chet ( Cquad7 )Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  

  
  Hey guys,
  
  I have a pressure sore right on the inside of my thigh at the top. I 
  had a pressure mapping but no pressure shows there so can't get Medicare 
  to cover a different cushion. School starts soon and really can't afford 
  to take off. Has anyone healed a sore while being up between 6-8 
  hours a day? Would a roho help? Thanks. I am so sick 
  with myself over this. I'm trying to stay off of it in my current 
  situation but it's hard when I live alone.
  
  Thanks guys,
  Stacy
__Do You 
Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 


 



Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt miracle mist link

2005-08-23 Thread Silas Shelburne




  Hello Dan, 
  lm using DermaWound, my Doctor totally freaked out but after 
  2 weeks he omited that it was making a big difference. I ordered the 
  miracle mist Saturday, maybe it with the Dermawound ill get these buggers 
  healed. The Dr won'ts me to stay in bed, maybe this winter. 
  
  Silas 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:43 
AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on 
butt miracle mist link

 I read that story.sounds great...I also read a bunch 
of testimonials on another product called DermaWound, it sounds very good 
also.has anyone tried that ? 
 
Dan


 



[QUAD-L] Check out Write Your Representative - Contact your Congressperson in the U.S.

2005-08-23 Thread DAANOO



Click here: Write Your 
Representative - Contact your Congressperson in the U.S. House of 
Representatives. 


Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt miracle mist link

2005-08-23 Thread Quietstream25322



 Good luck getting well Silas, I got a pink spot that has been 
worrying me some, I figured I better look at these medicines just in case it 
gets worse.
 
Dan


Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread Stacy Harim




Wow, that is impressive to transfer without a board. I'm paraplegic and 
cannot in anyway do that. I have to have my board and I'm 
paraplegic. My torso is way too long to get shoulder depression b/c I am 
way strong enough. My tone doesn't work with me like yours does with you 
as well. I'm not mad about it but I am very impressed by you.

Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:24 
  AM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] Transfers
  
  
  In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:12:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
  TheOmen723 writes:
  
hey paul

can you do a weight shift in your chair or turn 
yourself at night? if not that would be a good starting 
point.i'm c-5/6 incomplete, have veryweak tricepts and have been 
transfering independently (without sliding board) for couple of years. 
i transfer to the shower chair,stander, and bed. i use the tone 
in my legs to help me move. when i start to lean forward 
myspasms automatically kick in to help me lean back.when 
you first start transfering you'll have atendency to scoot, which if 
you're in manual chairit willslide away from you. i use my 
tone to give me a push to lift and move over. i have never ended up on 
the floor doing a transfer (KNOCK ON WOOD). when my 
tone is real bad and i don't feel safe doing it i ask for help, 
though. 

i'd rather ask for help getting in bed than getting off the floor

  
  


Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread Ol' Man River

when i was at Wayne state univ in 1970 we had a few walking quads - we called them super-quads. they walked with short arm braces - it was very laborious and not completely functional out in the real world but still, they were impressive. I'm aincomplete c3 from a trampoline and i used to stand to put my w/c into the back seat of my 2 door cars. my legs are now not trustworthy enough for such activity so i have switched to a power chair and a van with a ramp. i have lived alone before and still can but prefer to have an a/b around in case i fall. getting up is outside my abilities. i drag my butt in and out of bed and get some help from triggered leg spasms to get there. i use back and leg muscles to get onto the raised jon. i really would like to offer more help to you on the list but it's evident we don't have all that much in common. i do suffer from many of the ills and dep!
 ressions
 described on here and of course am just as helpless as any quad in many public situations. heavy doors, curbs, narrow jon stalls, high drinking fountains, all are just as unusable to me as they are you. i do however, frequently ask for and get cheerful help from anyone around women seem particularly drawn to my helpless situations. not my first idea for meeting chicks tho. the winning combo is - never give up - persistence wins in the end.
DaveStacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Wow, that is impressive to transfer without a board. I'm paraplegic and cannot in anyway do that. I have to have my board and I'm paraplegic. My torso is way too long to get shoulder depression b/c I am way strong enough. My tone doesn't work with me like yours does with you as well. I'm not mad about it but I am very impressed by you.

Stacy

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Transfers


In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:12:33 AM Central Standard Time, TheOmen723 writes:

hey paul

can you do a weight shift in your chair or turn yourself at night? if not that would be a good starting point.I'm c-5/6 incomplete, have veryweak tricepts and have been transfering independently (without sliding board) for couple of years. i transfer to the shower chair,stander, and bed. i use the tone in my legs to help me move. when i start to lean forward myspasms automatically kick in to help me lean back.when you first start transfering you'll have atendency to scoot, which if you're in manual chairit willslide away from you. i use my tone to give me a push to lift and move over. i have never ended up on the floor doing a transfer (KNOCK ON WOOD). when my tone is real bad and i don't feel safe doing it i ask for help, though. 

i'd rather ask for help getting in bed than getting off the floor


Dave - C3, 1967, Phoenix AZ__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread TheOmen723




I LET MY SPASMS HELP ME WITH MY FEET. ONCE I HAVE MY BUTT ON THE BED 
I LEAN BACK AND MY LEGS NATURALLY FOLLOW. THEN I USE MY TRAPESE BAR TO 
HELP MYSELF STRAIGHTEN OUT. I USE TO TRANSFER TO A REGULAR MATTRESS WHICH 
WAS EASY BUT NOW I HAVE A PRODIGY AIR MATTRESS WHICH MAKES MOVING WHILE I'M IN 
THE BEDAND IN/OUT OF BED MORE DIFFICULT. 

LUKE


In a message dated 8/23/2005 2:22:50 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I’m a C6 C7 I do sliding board 
  transfers. I can get my legs onto bed myself or rather could a few yrs ago. 
  I’ve been letting my aids ut my feet up onto bed after I slide over. 
  




Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt miracle mist link

2005-08-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4




I always ask the doctor if I get covered psych visits if I do bed rest. I 
go crazy after about 10 days. I get my days and nights messed up. I start having 
anxiety attacks and swimming in self-pity. I slather any skin tear of reddened 
area with pure aloe. I'm not going to brag as my butt seems to get cut and torn 
more often as i get older. I'd like to find something that toughens skin that is 
not yet damaged. Even when I have a sore I still get up every day. I don't care 
if it takes longer to heal, I just can't stay in this room. I sure hope 
you can get some help without the bed rest, Silas. 

All my best,
john
P.S. C5 29 years post. If I ever seem offensive or say something that hurts 
anyone I want to apologize. At times I rant and don't think. I am, after all, a 
traumatic brain injury, too. Don't hesitate to tell me if I am rude. 


In a message dated 8/23/2005 3:54:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hello Dan, 
  lm using DermaWound, my Doctor totally freaked out but after 
  2 weeks he omited that it was making a big difference. I ordered the 
  miracle mist Saturday, maybe it with the Dermawound ill get these buggers 
  healed. The Dr won'ts me to stay in bed, maybe this winter. 
  
  Silas 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:43 
AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on 
butt miracle mist link

 I read that story.sounds great...I also read a bunch 
of testimonials on another product called DermaWound, it sounds very good 
also.has anyone tried that ? 
 
Dan




Re: [QUAD-L] Transfers

2005-08-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4




Dave is right, Never give up, and always ask a pretty girl for help..unless 
you prefer guys.

lol,
john


In a message dated 8/23/2005 5:27:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  when i was at Wayne state univ in 1970 
  we had a few walking quads - we called them super-quads. they walked 
  with short arm braces - it was very laborious and not completely functional 
  out in the real world but still, they were impressive. I'm 
  aincomplete c3 from a trampoline and i used to stand to put my w/c into 
  the back seat of my 2 door cars. my legs are now not trustworthy enough 
  for such activity so i have switched to a power chair and a van with a 
  ramp. i have lived alone before and still can but prefer to have an a/b 
  around in case i fall. getting up is outside my abilities. i drag 
  my butt in and out of bed and get some help from triggered leg spasms to get 
  there. i use back and leg muscles to get onto the raised jon. i 
  really would like to offer more help to you on the list but it's evident we 
  don't have all that much in common. i do suffer from many of the ills 
  and dep! ressions described on here and of course am just as helpless as any 
  quad in many public situations. heavy doors, curbs, narrow jon 
  stalls, high drinking fountains, all are just as unusable to me as they are 
  you. i do however, frequently ask for and get cheerful help from anyone 
  around women seem particularly drawn to my helpless situations. 
  not my first idea for meeting chicks tho. the winning combo is - never 
  give up - persistence wins in the end.
  DaveStacy Harim 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  




Wow, that is impressive to transfer without a board. I'm paraplegic and 
cannot in anyway do that. I have to have my board and I'm 
paraplegic. My torso is way too long to get shoulder depression b/c I 
am way strong enough. My tone doesn't work with me like yours does 
with you as well. I'm not mad about it but I am very impressed by you.

Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:24 
  AM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] Transfers
  
  
  In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:12:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
  TheOmen723 writes:
  
hey paul

can you do a weight shift in your chair or 
turn yourself at night? if not that would be a good starting 
point.I'm c-5/6 incomplete, have veryweak tricepts and have 
been transfering independently (without sliding board) for couple of 
years. i transfer to the shower chair,stander, and 
bed. i use the tone in my legs to help me move. when i start 
to lean forward myspasms automatically kick in to help me lean 
back.when you first start transfering you'll have 
atendency to scoot, which if you're in manual chairit 
willslide away from you. i use my tone to give me a push to 
lift and move over. i have never ended up on the floor doing a 
transfer (KNOCK ON WOOD). when my tone is real 
bad and i don't feel safe doing it i ask for help, though. 

i'd rather ask for help getting in bed than getting off the 
floor

  
  
  Dave - C3, 1967, 
  Phoenix AZ
  __Do You 
  Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
  http://mail.yahoo.com 




Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on butt miracle mist link

2005-08-23 Thread Stacy Harim




I'm like you John as well as I live alone so if I have to stay in bed, 
nothing gets done around here. I have to get upto eat, do laundry, 
pay bills, etc. It takes longer to do stuff so by the time I'm done, it's 
time to eat or take a shower. Its always something. I do stay down as much 
as possible but I go stir crazy.

Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore on 
  butt miracle mist link
  
  
  I always ask the doctor if I get covered psych visits if I do bed rest. I 
  go crazy after about 10 days. I get my days and nights messed up. I start 
  having anxiety attacks and swimming in self-pity. I slather any skin tear of 
  reddened area with pure aloe. I'm not going to brag as my butt seems to get 
  cut and torn more often as i get older. I'd like to find something that 
  toughens skin that is not yet damaged. Even when I have a sore I still get up 
  every day. I don't care if it takes longer to heal, I just can't stay in this 
  room. I sure hope you can get some help without the bed rest, Silas. 
  
  
  All my best,
  john
  P.S. C5 29 years post. If I ever seem offensive or say something that 
  hurts anyone I want to apologize. At times I rant and don't think. I am, after 
  all, a traumatic brain injury, too. Don't hesitate to tell me if I am rude. 
  
  
  In a message dated 8/23/2005 3:54:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Hello Dan, 
lm using DermaWound, my Doctor totally freaked out but 
after 2 weeks he omited that it was making a big difference. I ordered 
the miracle mist Saturday, maybe it with the Dermawound ill get these 
buggers healed. The Dr won'ts me to stay in bed, maybe this 
winter. 
Silas 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:43 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] pressure sore 
  on butt miracle mist link
  
   I read that story.sounds great...I also read a 
  bunch of testimonials on another product called DermaWound, it sounds very 
  good also.has anyone tried that ? 
   
  Dan
  
  


[QUAD-L] HEALIX sores, uti's, colds, etc..

2005-08-23 Thread Stacy Harim



Hey Guys and Gals,

After doing a search on the internet about pressure sores, I came across 
this site. It's called healix and is supposed to do wonders for all sorts 
of ailments. Here is the website if you want to check it out. http://www.heallix.com/testimonials/bedsores.htmI'm 
thinking of o ordering some.

STacy