Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?

[Oconnelldb]

 
 
Ditto, DD..  (say THAT real fast three times.)  I'm really  diggin' my 4 year 
old and starting to like the 2 little ones too.
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In a message dated 4/17/2007 6:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
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What is it that strengthens you to get through rough times and keep  on 
persevering? For me it's been mainly two things:
My 4 year old grand daughter and husband.  <-sometimes.
Diane

 



 

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Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?

[DiannaL767]

In a message dated 4/17/2007 6:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What is it that strengthens you to get through rough times and keep on  
persevering? For me it's been mainly two things:
My 4 year old grand daughter and husband.  <-sometimes.
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Re: [QUAD-L] Re-: new technologies and patents towards SCI repair

[wheelchair]

 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 7:11:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  article on the three proteins enhancing the growth of the nerve axons is 
 interesting.  I am also hopeful, I just wish more funding would go  towards 
research and clinical trials would take less time.  The nervous  system is the 
most complicated system of the human body!
Debbie
C4/April  2005



Have you read about some of the other protocols being considered:
 
4AP
Botox
Bee Venom
 
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Re: [QUAD-L] Husbands

[wheelchair]

 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 7:11:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As I  have told you all, I am a C4, my accident was just two years ago. I am 
48, I  have a husband I've been married to for 24 years, I raised three boys 
one is  still at home.  My husband is having a terrible time with my accident, 
he  has been doing a lot of my care.  I have hired home health to get me up  
and also have someone coming in for part of the day.  I don't wanna lose  him, 
I haven't found any support groups for him, are there any online?   Any 
suggestions?  Thanks Debbie


Hi Debbie,
Life's journeys for most are hills and valleys.  I don't know about  your 
relationship before your injury, hence, its difficult to predict one's  future. 
 
You didn't mention  your location and the Nat SCI Assoc has  regional and
state chapters in many of the large cities.  Join, if you can.   If you don't 
have one start one.
 
I am going to forward a copy of your email to another couple in Chicago for  
their personal reply to you.
Best Wishes
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[QUAD-L] Husbands

[Debbie Hamilton]

As I have told you all, I am a C4, my accident was just two years ago.  I am 
48, I have a husband I've been married to for 24 years, I raised three boys one 
is still at home.  My husband is having a terrible time with my accident, he 
has been doing a lot of my care.  I have hired home health to get me up and 
also have someone coming in for part of the day.  I don't wanna lose him, I 
haven't found any support groups for him, are there any online?  Any 
suggestions?  Thanks Debbie
   
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[QUAD-L] Re-: new technologies and patents towards SCI repair

[Debbie Hamilton]

The article on the three proteins enhancing the growth of the nerve axons is 
interesting.  I am also hopeful, I just wish more funding would go towards 
research and clinical trials would take less time.  The nervous system is the 
most complicated system of the human body!
Debbie
C4/April 2005

   
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Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?

[kaye allard]

Music
Humor


On 4/17/07, Tim Syfert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What is it that strengthens you to get through rough times and keep on
persevering? For me it's been mainly two things:

1. Faith in God
2. Good sense of humor

Tim
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[QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?

[Tim Syfert]

What is it that strengthens you to get through rough times and keep on 
persevering? For me it's been mainly two things:
   
  1. Faith in God
  2. Good sense of humor
   
  Tim
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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

[andrea murray]

I have heard it all. Wheelchair Warrior

Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Oh my God! Or should I say Oh my Allah! Here we 
go again with the so called hate mail :p. So it's okay if Jerry and Pat preach 
actual hate against homosexuals as long as they say they give a meager amount 
of their tremendous wealth to the poor. And if you really believe that we were 
attacked because of gays, nudity and alcohol - well all I can say is - I'll be 
praying for you.

Dan V 

At 11:21 AM 4/17/2007 -0700, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my 
response:
  
John...I don't belong to either of those organizations , Jerry or 
Pat's  but you are DEAD WRONG.they spend MILLIONS each year providing 
Wells for clean water , Food and Help with Operations for children that would 
die or be deformed because they have no money and medical helpAlso as 
far as HOMOSEXUALS and so on...BIN LADIN himself said one of the reasons they 
attack America is because we ALLOW homosexuality and raw nudity and alcohol as 
some of the terroist reasons they want to destroy the U.S.A.   So perhaps you 
should write up some hate letters to him and the muslim extremist also huh? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
   I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  lots of 
people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.  
Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people here 
who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself 
here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.

  
   But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line 
because that will never happen.

  
   ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL: 

  
   http://www.venganza.org/

  
   On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   
 No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are 
free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of 
other weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in America. 
Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess 
financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates 
freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- 
media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea.
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Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

[Quadius]

Actually Dave there are quite a few people that care if the 10 Commandments
are displayed in our government buildings.  In fact, here in Tampa there was
a nativity scene, which I personally thought was really nice, displayed on
the grounds of the county courthouse.  Once the other religions saw this,
they demanded that they have equal space and it was granted for a short
while.  The funny part was when a group put up a pole and had a sign erected
in front of it that stated "Festivus for the Rest of Us."

While this is funny, many people would not like to see some of the tenets of
the Church of Satan proudly displayed in any of our courthouses.  If you
open access to one particular segment of religious society, you are thereby
establishing some sort of law or jurisprudence favoring one religion over
another.  If you leave it ambiguous, like "in God we trust" it doesn't
specifically favor one over the other.  The only people that have an
argument with that, in my opinion, would be atheists.
Quadius
PS forgive the errors.  I tried to look it over, but I was in a hurry.


On 4/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The separation of Church and State came from a letter between Jefferson
and supreme court of one of the states. It is not a law and the supreme
court has never treated it as a law untill 1960. I'm guessing it had to do
with Kennedy being Roman Catholic. i always thought it was a misunderstood
part of the constitution. No law respecting, doesn't that mean they shall
not make judgements, pro or con, respecting religion in America. It is
always interpreted as the government will always be antireligion. People say
the courts are walking a fine line. To my understanding, the courts are
dancing all over and with the important problems we have, who cares where
someone puts the 10 commandments. Obviously, nobody reads them.

john


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

 *You're right Quadius.  But Dave was right about one very important
thing: there is no ammendment guaranteeing the "separation" of church and
state.  The first ammendment reads:*
 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances. *The only guarantee
is that "Congress" (a body of legislators) "shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Only the Supreme Court has defined this ammendment so narrowly that it has
lost the meaning given it by the founding fathers.*
**
*Bill age 56
C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68
Leesburg, FL
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 - Original Message -
*From:* Quadius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* Tim Syfert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2007 5:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


Dave,
Unfortunately the biggest flaw I see with this particular, well-written
entry is that, in my opinion, there is no way that
Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant could have envisioned a cross being formed
by the White House, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial and Lincoln
Memorial, considering the latter two were built long after his original plan
of 1791. In case you're wondering, the Jefferson Memorial cornerstone was
laid in 1939 and the Lincoln Memorial was first proposed in 1867, long after
L'Enfant's death. For confirmation just visit the following sites.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc71.htm
 http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc73.htm
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/lenfant.htm
Quadius


 On 4/16/07, Tim Syfert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Pretty awsome. Thanks Dave!
>
> Tim
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   *LAUS DEO**
>
>
> One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a
> building of greater height than the Washington Monument. ***
>
> *With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is
> worth a moment or two of your time.  I was not aware of this historical
> information.**
> On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are
> displayed two words: Laus Deo.  No one can see these words.  In fact, most
> visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for
> that matter, probably couldn't care less. *
>
> *Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with
> everyone you know.  But these words have been there for many years; they are
> 555feet, 5.125 inches high, perched on  top of  the monument, facing
> skyward to the Father of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which
> comprise the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of America.
> *
>
> *Laus Deo!  Two seemingly insignificant, un-no

Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

[delimited4]

The folks that came to Jamestown wanted to get rich. The so called pilgrims had 
made themselves entirely unwanted anywhere in europe and they wanted religious 
control, not freedom. Our forefathers were far more interested in money than 
religion. Thankfully, they made the thingamabob they wrote so it could be 
changed. They owned slaves for cryin out loud. They knew it was wrong.
 
john
 
 
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Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


In a message dated 4/16/2007 7:37:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
This wasn't my composition, I merely passed it along as it came to me.
I just found it "Interesting" and didn't validity check it at all.
Dave
Is it so strange that our forefathers came to this country for religious 
freedom.  Consider that when writing the constitution the writers knew that 
their words would be contested in decades to come.  I think they did their jobs 
pretty well considering what they were up against
 
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[QUAD-L] freedom of speech-Comedy

[wheelchair]

 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 3:06:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

He is  admirably witty- and on drugs, at that!
;-)
Not making fun John, love  the posts, actually.

On 4/17/07, Dan  <_  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: 
 
John,  where ever you got your education, I want to go there.

Dan  V








Same could be said about George Carlin and Robin Williams.  Look where  it got
 them
 
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Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech

[kaye allard]

He is admirably witty- and on drugs, at that!
;-)
Not making fun John, love the posts, actually.

On 4/17/07, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John, where ever you got your education, I want to go there.

Dan V

At 03:24 PM 4/17/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that
elicited my response:


I wrote that. I appologize if it offended anyone. I'm on drug therapy and
alone a lot. i'm sure I had a point or something that went with it, but my
appology stands. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, except maybe a few
religous hypocrits that aren't on the list.

john


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech

At 07:20 PM 4/15/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my
response:


 I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of
Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary false and malicious
statement or report about someone


Well as Catholics we are suppose to believe that the Host IS the BODY and
BLOOD
of Christ - kind of gruesome when you think about it. So doesn't it follow
that this would be an appropriate use of these soon to be trashed cells?

Anyway, the correct definition of Libel is:  "A false publication, as in
writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation." Or:
"a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a
living person". You left out the last clause. In any event, it doesn't
damage anyones reputation.

What about hate talk? It certainly isn't that. The following are a few
examples of hate talk:

'We ought to send those niggers back to Africa where they came from'.
'All cripples should be shot as all they do is leech off the system.'
'Those God damn Jews killed Jesus and I say they should pay for it'.

See the difference?  You may not like what was posted to this list and
that is your prerogative so just delete it. And toughen up your skin a
little - it's a rough world out there ;)

Dan V

*Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: Dan T,

If you can find them, where are they? Are they really Hate talk? Are they
really slander (actually the correct word is libel)? If so, please give me
the legal definition of the two (you can use a free on-line dictionary) and
how they relate. I am also a Catholic but I was not offended by anything I
read on this topic.

Dan V

At 08:34 PM 4/13/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my
response:

Dan, I can find those items you questioned below and they are particularly
offensive to me as a Catholic.  Dan T.

Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What in the Hell are you people talking
about! Hate talk? By who? Slander? By who? Remember boys and girls just
because someone doesn't agree with you, you can't start calling them names.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. In other words, grow
up.

Dan V

 Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can't use "freedom of speech" to
justify hate speech. It was completely uncalled for, as were most of his
other rants.  Angie, I think you were the one that brought up the freedom
of speech issue but with that freedom comes responsibility.  No one has the
right to slander others or their beliefs.  A point or opinion can be
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Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

[delimited4]

The separation of Church and State came from a letter between Jefferson and 
supreme court of one of the states. It is not a law and the supreme court has 
never treated it as a law untill 1960. I'm guessing it had to do with Kennedy 
being Roman Catholic. i always thought it was a misunderstood part of the 
constitution. No law respecting, doesn't that mean they shall not make 
judgements, pro or con, respecting religion in America. It is always 
interpreted as the government will always be antireligion. People say the 
courts are walking a fine line. To my understanding, the courts are dancing all 
over and with the important problems we have, who cares where someone puts the 
10 commandments. Obviously, nobody reads them.
 
john
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


You're right Quadius.  But Dave was right about one very important thing: there 
is no ammendment guaranteeing the "separation" of church and state.  The first 
ammendment reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or 
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or 
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition 
the government for a redress of grievances.
The only guarantee is that "Congress" (a body of legislators) "shall make no 
law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise 
thereof..."  Only the Supreme Court has defined this ammendment so narrowly 
that it has lost the meaning given it by the founding fathers.
 
Bill age 56
C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68
Leesburg, FL
Try something different: put a live chicken in your underwear.
- Original Message - 
From: Quadius 
To: Tim Syfert 
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


Dave,
Unfortunately the biggest flaw I see with this particular, well-written entry 
is that, in my opinion, there is no way that 
Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant could have envisioned a cross being formed by the 
White House, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial and Lincoln Memorial, 
considering the latter two were built long after his original plan of 1791. In 
case you're wondering, the Jefferson Memorial cornerstone was laid in 1939 and 
the Lincoln Memorial was first proposed in 1867, long after L'Enfant's death. 
For confirmation just visit the following sites.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc71.htm
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc73.htm
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/lenfant.htm 
Quadius


On 4/16/07, Tim Syfert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Pretty awsome. Thanks Dave!
 
Tim


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LAUS DEO 
 

One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building 
of greater height than the Washington Monument. 

With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a 
moment or two of your time.  I was not aware of this historical  information. 
On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are 
displayed two words: Laus Deo.  No one can see these words.  In fact, most 
visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that 
matter, probably couldn't care less. 

Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you 
know.  But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 
inches high, perched on  top of  the monument, facing skyward to the Father of 
our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of 
Columbia, capital of the United States of America. 

Laus Deo!  Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one 
might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point 
over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world. 

So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only 
seven letters, possibly mean?  Very simply, they say "Praise be to God!"

Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was 
President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was 
inaugurated and opened to the public.  
 
It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the 
Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God!" 

>From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in 
>the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major 
>segments.
 
>From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the 
>designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the 
>landscape, with the White House to the north.  The Jefferson Memorial is to 
>the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. 

A cross you ask?  Why a cross?  What about separation of church and state

Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

[Quadius]

I don't think they could come close to day to creating a document of such
magnitude and longevity.  Those guys really knew what they were doing.
Quadius

On 4/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  I don't think "WE" could come close to writing such a document today
that would last 225+ years.   I think they did a GREAT job.
Dave



In a message dated 4/16/2007 5:41:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In a message dated 4/16/2007 7:37:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This wasn't my composition, I merely passed it along as it came to me.
I just found it "Interesting" and didn't validity check it at all.
Dave

 Is it so strange that our forefathers came to this country for religious
freedom.  Consider that when writing the constitution the writers knew that
their words would be contested in decades to come.  I think they did their
jobs pretty well considering what they were up against

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[QUAD-L] Andy Kaufman, is alive and well

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Andy Kaufman, is alive and well.
W
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:11:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson  after 9/11 say that god told them 
it was because America tolerates  homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for 
a long time and he said that he  hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are 
homosexuals,  but because they love money and do nothing to help his  
children.
 
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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

[Peter Damiano]

  "he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are
  homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his
  children."

  Boy, this is one conversation I would love to be privy to.  I'm an
  agnostic... it's much easier.  I worked in the Twin Towers as a
  teenager, and had to pull over yesterday on the highway for all the
  police and ambulances headed to Virginia Tech. It's only going to get
  worse, no doubt.  Peter 25 yrs
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  To: quad-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what
  country are you living in?

  I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ. 
  lots of people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or
  another.  Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there
  are two people here who belief may have evidence of that in their
  lives (I am including myself here).  granted, it is people who try to
  keep other people in line.

  But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in
  line because that will never happen.

  ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL:

  http://www.venganza.org/

  On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you
are free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic
church and dozens of other weird cults . You do as you please and
no one forces you here in America. Besides If religion keeps
people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess financially and
Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates freedom
of religions, because they like strict control over their people
-- media and even how they think., same in places like North
Korea.   Dan H. 




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[delimited4]

I've never seen a city where you can't find a cross whether it be of buildings 
or streets. Washington DC is also laid out in a circle. Is that symbolic?
 
john
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
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Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


Dave,
Unfortunately the biggest flaw I see with this particular, well-written entry 
is that, in my opinion, there is no way that 
Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant could have envisioned a cross being formed by the 
White House, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial and Lincoln Memorial, 
considering the latter two were built long after his original plan of 1791. In 
case you're wondering, the Jefferson Memorial cornerstone was laid in 1939 and 
the Lincoln Memorial was first proposed in 1867, long after L'Enfant's death. 
For confirmation just visit the following sites.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc71.htm
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc73.htm
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/lenfant.htm 
Quadius


On 4/16/07, Tim Syfert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Pretty awsome. Thanks Dave!
 
Tim


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LAUS DEO 
 

One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building 
of greater height than the Washington Monument. 

With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a 
moment or two of your time.  I was not aware of this historical  information. 
On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are 
displayed two words: Laus Deo.  No one can see these words.  In fact, most 
visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that 
matter, probably couldn't care less. 

Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you 
know.  But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 
inches high, perched on  top of  the monument, facing skyward to the Father of 
our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of 
Columbia, capital of the United States of America. 

Laus Deo!  Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one 
might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point 
over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world. 

So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only 
seven letters, possibly mean?  Very simply, they say "Praise be to God!"

Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was 
President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was 
inaugurated and opened to the public.  
 
It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the 
Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God!" 

>From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in 
>the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major 
>segments.
 
>From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the 
>designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the 
>landscape, with the White House to the north.  The Jefferson Memorial is to 
>the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. 

A cross you ask?  Why a cross?  What about separation of church and state? Yes, 
a cross; separation of church and state was not, is not, in the Constitution.
 
So, read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry a profound 
meaning for those who bother to notice. 
Praise be to God!  
 
Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings.  As one climbs the 
steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message  
 
On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th 
is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation 
made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 
10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22: 6.Praise be to God!

When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 
deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the 
Bible Society. Praise be to God!
 
Such was the discipline, the moral direction, and the spiritual mood given by 
the founder and first President of our unique democracy ."One Nation, Under 
God." 

I am awed by Washington's prayer for America.  Have you never read it? Well, 
now is your unique opportunity, so read on!

"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States 
in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to 
cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain 
a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of 
the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be 
pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to

Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech

[Dan]

John, where ever you got your education, I want to go there.

Dan V

At 03:24 PM 4/17/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that elicited my 
response:
  
>I wrote that. I appologize if it offended anyone. I'm on drug therapy and 
>alone a lot. i'm sure I had a point or something that went with it, but my 
>appology stands. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, except maybe a few religous 
>hypocrits that aren't on the list.
> 
>john
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: quad-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech
>
>At 07:20 PM 4/15/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response:
>  
>>I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of 
>>Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary 
>>false and malicious statement or report about someone
>
>Well as Catholics we are suppose to believe that the Host IS the BODY and 
>BLOOD 
>of Christ - kind of gruesome when you think about it. So doesn't it follow 
>that this would be an appropriate use of these soon to be trashed cells? 
>
>Anyway, the correct definition of Libel is:  "A false publication, as in 
>writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation." Or: 
>"a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a 
>living person". You left out the last clause. In any event, it doesn't damage 
>anyones reputation.
>
>What about hate talk? It certainly isn't that. The following are a few 
>examples of hate talk:  
>
>'We ought to send those niggers back to Africa where they came from'. 
>'All cripples should be shot as all they do is leech off the system.' 
>'Those God damn Jews killed Jesus and I say they should pay for it'. 
>
>See the difference?  You may not like what was posted to this list and that is 
>your prerogative so just delete it. And toughen up your skin a little - it's a 
>rough world out there ;)
>
>Dan V 
>
>>Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
>>Dan T, 
>>
>>If you can find them, where are they? Are they really Hate talk? Are they 
>>really slander (actually the correct word is libel)? If so, please give me 
>>the legal definition of the two (you can use a free on-line dictionary) and 
>>how they relate. I am also a Catholic but I was not offended by anything I 
>>read on this topic.
>>
>>Dan V
>>
>>At 08:34 PM 4/13/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response: 
>>  
>>>Dan, I can find those items you questioned below and they are particularly 
>>>offensive to me as a Catholic.  Dan T.
>>>
>>>Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>What in the Hell are you people talking about! Hate talk? By who? Slander? 
>>>By who? Remember boys and girls just because someone doesn't agree with you, 
>>>you can't start calling them names. If you can't stand the heat, get out of 
>>>the kitchen. In other words, grow up.
>>>
>>>Dan V 
>>Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>You can't use "freedom of speech" to justify hate speech. It was completely 
>>uncalled for, as were most of his other rants. 
>>Angie, I think you were the one that brought up the freedom of speech issue 
>>but with that freedom comes responsibility.  No one has the right to slander 
>>others or their beliefs.  A point or opinion can be expressed civilly.  Dan 
>>T. 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??

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But remember, George Washington did not believe in organized religion and 
stated on several occasions that he only went to churches for baptisms and 
weddings. He called established Christian religions,"European perversions".
 
john  
 
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Subject: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??


LAUS DEO
 

One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building 
of greater height than the Washington Monument. 

With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a 
moment or two of your time.  I was not aware of this historical  information.
On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are 
displayed two words: Laus Deo.  No one can see these words.  In fact, most 
visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that 
matter, probably couldn't care less.

Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you 
know.  But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 
inches high, perched on  top of  the monument, facing skyward to the Father of 
our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of 
Columbia, capital of the United States of America.

Laus Deo!  Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one 
might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point 
over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world.

So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only 
seven letters, possibly mean?  Very simply, they say "Praise be to God!"

Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was 
President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was 
inaugurated and opened to the public.  
 
It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the 
Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God!"

>From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in 
>the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major 
>segments.
 
>From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the 
>designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the 
>landscape, with the White House to the north.  The Jefferson Memorial is to 
>the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west.

A cross you ask?  Why a cross?  What about separation of church and state? Yes, 
a cross; separation of church and state was not, is not, in the Constitution.
 
So, read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry a profound 
meaning for those who bother to notice.
Praise be to God!  
 
Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings.  As one climbs the 
steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message  
 
On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th 
is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation 
made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 
10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6.Praise be to God!

When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 
deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the 
Bible Society. Praise be to God!
 
Such was the discipline, the moral direction, and the spiritual mood given by 
the founder and first President of our unique democracy ."One Nation, Under 
God."

I am awed by Washington's prayer for America.  Have you never read it? Well, 
now is your unique opportunity, so read on!

"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States 
in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to 
cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain 
a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of 
the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be 
pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves 
with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the 
characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a 
humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a 
happy nation  Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our 
Lord.  Amen."
Laus Deo!

When one stops to observe the inscriptions found in public places all over our 
nation's capitol, he or she will easily find the signature of God, as it is 
unmistakably inscribed everywhere you look.
 
You may forget the width and height of "Laus Deo", its location, or the 
architects but no one who reads this will be able to forget its meaning, or 
these words:"Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor in vain.  
Unless the Lord watc

Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech

[delimited4]

I wrote that. I appologize if it offended anyone. I'm on drug therapy and alone 
a lot. i'm sure I had a point or something that went with it, but my appology 
stands. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, except maybe a few religous hypocrits 
that aren't on the list.
 
john
 
 
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To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech


At 07:20 PM 4/15/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response:
  
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of 
Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary 
false and malicious statement or report about someone

Well as Catholics we are suppose to believe that the Host IS the BODY and BLOOD 
of Christ - kind of gruesome when you think about it. So doesn't it follow that 
this would be an appropriate use of these soon to be trashed cells? 

Anyway, the correct definition of Libel is:  "A false publication, as in 
writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation." Or: "a 
false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living 
person". You left out the last clause. In any event, it doesn't damage anyones 
reputation.

What about hate talk? It certainly isn't that. The following are a few examples 
of hate talk:  

'We ought to send those niggers back to Africa where they came from'. 
'All cripples should be shot as all they do is leech off the system.' 
'Those God damn Jews killed Jesus and I say they should pay for it'. 

See the difference?  You may not like what was posted to this list and that is 
your prerogative so just delete it. And toughen up your skin a little - it's a 
rough world out there ;)

Dan V 


Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Dan T, 


If you can find them, where are they? Are they really Hate talk? Are they 
really slander (actually the correct word is libel)? If so, please give me the 
legal definition of the two (you can use a free on-line dictionary) and how 
they relate. I am also a Catholic but I was not offended by anything I read on 
this topic.


Dan V


At 08:34 PM 4/13/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response: 
  
Dan, I can find those items you questioned below and they are particularly 
offensive to me as a Catholic.  Dan T.


Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
What in the Hell are you people talking about! Hate talk? By who? Slander? By 
who? Remember boys and girls just because someone doesn't agree with you, you 
can't start calling them names. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the 
kitchen. In other words, grow up.


Dan V 
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
You can't use "freedom of speech" to justify hate speech. It was completely 
uncalled for, as were most of his other rants. 
Angie, I think you were the one that brought up the freedom of speech issue but 
with that freedom comes responsibility.  No one has the right to slander others 
or their beliefs.  A point or opinion can be expressed civilly.  Dan T. 

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Re: [QUAD-L] after death

[delimited4]

You might want to remember that if most of that list ever said they didn't 
believe they would have been tortured and burned at the stake. Einstien said 
that where he grew up it was important not to offend people so he often 
tempered his public statements for fear of controversy. Isaac Newton was so 
afraid of public arguements that when critisized he often wouldn't attend 
public functions for years.
 
john
 
 
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Mike, very interesting post... good work

Mike Murach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
1.  
SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO…
 
Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically 
based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European 
universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system 
was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement 
VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. 
Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged 
to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the 
Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in 
his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 
2.  Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of 
inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione 
Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, 
service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based 
upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of 
insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little 
philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth 
men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second 
causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it 
beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly 
to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism) 
3.  Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on 
light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came 
close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before 
Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it 
radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious 
Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the 
heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his 
open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a 
Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other 
Protestants had been expelled! 
4.  Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. 
His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no 
proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not 
indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. 
It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years 
earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite 
argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend 
of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach 
the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which 
was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his 
system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 
5.  Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been 
called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him 
dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman 
Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate 
desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the 
vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. 
His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - 
suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten 
that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the 
existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be 
deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought 
processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really 
wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic 
te

Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell

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Din't we go over this? Churches never make mistakes and can not be wrong. Only 
we are wrong whenever we say they might be wrong. Churches have worked miracles 
 at keeping the poor from eating the rich. We have a Pope that was a nazi but, 
s. The televangalists are all homophobic so they can cut on catholic 
priests, but you shouldn't say that either. We live in a world where the 
difference between right and wrong is dependant on how much money you have. 
Can I buy an indulgence for that paragraph?
 
john
 
p.s. Can you be offended buy what I say without being bothered by the truth?  
 
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Angie, what church are you talking about? sorry to hear about your bad 
experience with church.  Churches and their members are human and there are 
good and bad just like every part of life.

Angie Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
After my injury, our church kicked us out.  They sent a letter in the mail 
saying we were no longer parishioners.  Guess they missed our weekly donation.
-Angie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Just a few questions, how did you hear about the thing with Lucifer? And are 
you saying faith is just covering all the bases? Have you noticed not many 
churches want cripples that don't seem to get any better. I have gone to 
several churches where the pastor has looked directly at me and said god 
answers the prayers of all true believers. If I don't have a church to go to on 
Sundays then where will I get my weekly dosage of guilt?
I must be a true believer or I wouldn't feel guilty about this e mail.
 
 
john 
 
 
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Subject: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell


   If you live a good life as IF there really IS a God and Heaven or Hell 
and die to find out it was not true--YOU LOST NOTHING.BUT  IF you live and 
deny God and Heaven Or Hell and DIE to find out THERE IS a GOD and it's All 
TRUE---{{YOU LOST EVERYTHING.}} But God wants no robots, that's why he 
gave Mankind free will and choices. As a matter of fact he even granted his 
Angels free willWhen Lucifer Tried to overthrow God, He took 1/3 of God's 
angels with him by decieving them to follow him.

Dan H.


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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

[Dan]

Oh my God! Or should I say Oh my Allah! Here we go again with the so called 
hate mail :p. So it's okay if Jerry and Pat preach actual hate against 
homosexuals as long as they say they give a meager amount of their tremendous 
wealth to the poor. And if you really believe that we were attacked because of 
gays, nudity and alcohol - well all I can say is - I'll be praying for you.

Dan V 

At 11:21 AM 4/17/2007 -0700, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my 
response:
  
>  John...I don't belong to either of those organizations , Jerry or 
> Pat's  but you are DEAD WRONG.they spend MILLIONS each year providing 
> Wells for clean water , Food and Help with Operations for children that would 
> die or be deformed because they have no money and medical helpAlso as 
> far as HOMOSEXUALS and so on...BIN LADIN himself said one of the reasons they 
> attack America is because we ALLOW homosexuality and raw nudity and alcohol 
> as some of the terroist reasons they want to destroy the U.S.A.   So perhaps 
> you should write up some hate letters to him and the muslim extremist also 
> huh? 
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
>  
>I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  lots of 
>people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.  
>Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people here 
>who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself 
>here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.
>
>But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line 
>because that will never happen.
>
>ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL: 
>
>http://www.venganza.org/
>
>On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:  
>  No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are 
> free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of 
> other weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in 
> America. Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a 
> mess financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates 
> freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- 
> media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea.  
>  Dan H.  
>
>
>
>
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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

[kaye allard]

That's just good PR.

On 4/17/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  John...I don't belong to either of those organizations , Jerry
or Pat's  but you are DEAD WRONG.they spend MILLIONS each year
providing Wells for clean water , Food and Help with Operations for children
that would die or be deformed because they have no money and medical
helpAlso as far as HOMOSEXUALS and so on...BIN LADIN himself said
one of the reasons they attack America is because we ALLOW homosexuality and
raw nudity and alcohol as some of the terroist reasons they want to destroy
the U.S.A.   So perhaps you should write up some hate letters to him and
the muslim extremist also huh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told
them it was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to
God for a long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because
they are homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his
children.

john




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Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country
are you living in?

I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  lots of
people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.
Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people
here who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including
myself here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.

But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line
because that will never happen.

ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL:

http://www.venganza.org/

On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> *  No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you
> are free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and
> dozens of other weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you
> here in America. Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is
> everything such a mess financially and Moraly. The largest population on
> Earth.CHINA  hates freedom of religions, because they like strict
> control over their people -- media and even how they think., same in places
> like North Korea.   Dan H.  *




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Re: [QUAD-L] After death

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Your problem is obvious. You don't hate the right people.
 
john
 
 
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Angie,
 
What about those of us who weren't in an accident, but because of an unforeseen 
or unpreventable illness, became paralyzed in a matter of minutes??
 
I know I had anything to do with it, this is not be what I would've chosen. 
 
Naomi
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Transverse Myelitis






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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

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 I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told them it 
was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for a 
long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are 
homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his children.
 
john
 
 
 
 
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you living in?


I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  lots of 
people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.  
Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people here 
who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself 
here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.

But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line 
because that will never happen.

ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL: 

http://www.venganza.org/


On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are free 
to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of other 
weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in America. 
Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess 
financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates 
freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- 
media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea.
   Dan H.  



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Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell

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I don't know why God lets children die. Why do we let children die? We will 
kill hundreds of thousands for oil. Is it because so many are the wrong color? 
I don't think a sermon on Christianity is going to help a child in end-stage 
cancer. The drug companies spent 22 billion to R&D viagra, and women want fake 
boobs so badly that it is a 10+ billion dollar industry. Where do we get off 
giving God a hard time? We have children dieing here in America yet we use our 
money to buy books oprah tells us made her fat life better. If we spent the 
money we spend on weapons to feed children, we wouldn't have starving children.
 
john
 
 
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I totally agree Dan,
That’s what I have a problem with, if we are his children how can he stand by 
and watch his small kids starve to death or die by aids at 2-3 years old and a 
lot of people will never even hear the word Jesus or God but they go to hell 
because of geography?
I don’t buy it, if my father was to sit by and watch me suffer and did nothing 
and at the same time preached to me about love thy fellow man and treat people 
like you would like to be treated. How can I have more compassion than God if 
he is the great one?
 
Just my opinion, 
 
Mark Jackson
   RollinOn
 



From: Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
 
If one believes in the goodness of God, then I don't see how they can believe 
in Hell. I think I'm a relatively good person and having said that, I could 
never send anyone to Hell where they would endure everlasting torture. Where is 
the goodness in that? Are we not taught that God is all knowing and all loving 
and forgives us of our sins? As Jesus said as he was dying on the cross 
"Forgive them Father for they do not know what they do". He didn't say "Hey 
Dad, send these bastards to Hell".

We are like children to God. Imagine that you are the parents of twin 4 year 
old boys. They are playing at the top of a flight of stairs. One of them gets 
angry with the other and pushes him down the flight of stairs knowing well that 
the child will get hurt and the child dies. The surviving twin shows no remorse 
since most 4 year olds haven't yet developed that capacity. Would you as their 
parent/God send this child to Hell?   

Dan V

At 03:18 PM 4/15/2007 -0400, Steve Oldaker said something that elicited my 
response:
  


Dan...
 
What if you live a truly good life and do not deny the existence of God, Heaven 
and Hell, but do not have a core belief that they do in fact exist? Would it 
not be hypocritical to state that you do believe in their existence just in 
case?
 
The big problem I have with many organized religions is you either accept and 
believe, or you are doomed, regardless of how well you have lived your life and 
the goodness in your heart and deeds. This is particularly true with Christian 
religions.
 
FWIW, I do believe in a supreme being (a.k.a. God), hope there is a Heaven, and 
hope there is not a Hell. Pretty sure about the first one, not sure about the 
last two.
 
Steve



From: Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:29 PM 
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell 
   If you live a good life as IF there really IS a God and Heaven or Hell 
and die to find out it was not true--YOU LOST NOTHING.BUT  IF you live and 
deny God and Heaven Or Hell and DIE to find out THERE IS a GOD and it's All 
TRUE---{{YOU LOST EVERYTHING.}} But God wants no robots, that's why he 
gave Mankind free will and choices. As a matter of fact he even granted his 
Angels free willWhen Lucifer Tried to overthrow God, He took 1/3 of God's 
angels with him by decieving them to follow him.

Dan H. 


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Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech

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Imus excercized his free speech as did his sponsors. Free speech doesn't 
include yelling fire in a crowded theater and shouldn't cover hate speech that 
is intended to provoke a violent reaction. 
Don Imus wasn't arrested for what he said. He knows he went over the line which 
is more than can be said for so many  others. 
Rush Limbaugh is still on the air which proves free speech is not  only for 
inteligent people. I heard he has a new line of ties for the market. They go 
really good with brown shirts.
 
john 
 
 
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/10/07 
   at 11:23 AM, Angie Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>While I don't agree with religious, racial or homosexual slurs, they
>aren't against the law.  As far as I know.  Yes, it is ignorant, but
>people are entitled to what they believe, and if they choose to voice
>their opinions, although they aren't politically correct, it is their
>right to do so.  The apologies are to save face, that's all. I wouldn't
>intentionally insult anyone on their beliefs, race, or sexual preference. 
>But it is a right, freedom of speech, which includes unfavorable speech
>as well.  If I'm wrong, let me know.  Seriously, let me know if I'm wrong
>about the law.  I know I don't expect anybody to kiss my rear if I'm
>offended by something.  I don't think anyone should have to do that.

Imus being fired wasn't a free speech issue, it was a money issue. 
Sponsors were pulling out from his show.  If not, he may well have been
back after the two week suspension.  The government (federal, state,
local) didn't censor him.

Free speech doesn't mean that one's speech can't have repercussions,
especially something said by a public figure.  


Alan

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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

[Danny Hearn]

  John...I don't belong to either of those organizations , Jerry or 
Pat's  but you are DEAD WRONG.they spend MILLIONS each year providing 
Wells for clean water , Food and Help with Operations for children that would 
die or be deformed because they have no money and medical helpAlso as 
far as HOMOSEXUALS and so on...BIN LADIN himself said one of the reasons they 
attack America is because we ALLOW homosexuality and raw nudity and alcohol as 
some of the terroist reasons they want to destroy the U.S.A.   So perhaps you 
should write up some hate letters to him and the muslim extremist also huh? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told them 
it was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for a 
long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are 
homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his children.
   
  john
   
   
   
  
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}I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  
lots of people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.  
Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people here 
who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself 
here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.

But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line 
because that will never happen.

ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL: 

http://www.venganza.org/

  On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No one is using 
religion to keep you in line..In America you are free to believe as you 
desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of other weird cults . You 
do as you please and no one forces you here in America. Besides If religion 
keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess financially and Moraly. 
The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates freedom of religions, because 
they like strict control over their people -- media and even how they think., 
same in places like North Korea.   Dan H.  



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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????

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 I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told them it 
was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for a 
long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are 
homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his children.
 
john
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are 
you living in?


I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ.  lots of 
people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another.  
Sometimes it's tradition and/or money.  and so far, there are two people here 
who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself 
here).  granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line.

But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line 
because that will never happen.

ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster?  LOL: 

http://www.venganza.org/


On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are free 
to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of other 
weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in America. 
Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess 
financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA  hates 
freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- 
media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea.
   Dan H.  



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Go Forward: The email newsletter of the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation.

April 2007

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Learning to Walk...a Second Time 
*
"C'mon, Tim, c'mon! You can do it! You can do it, Tim."

He recalls he could practically hear his family and friends as they silently 
urged him to take his very first steps...toward his birthday cake! But Tim was 
not a toddler reaching a developmental milestone. It was an even more wondrous 
event...

Tim had been paralyzed from the shoulders down in an automobile accident on 
November 6, 2003. When doctors talked to him about his prognosis, his first 
words were: "I'm gonna walk again. I'm gonna walk!"

Now, on his 20th birthday -- through determination and countless hours of hard 
work -- he is taking his first steps again! Tim is one of the thousands of 
heroes we are so proud to support at the Christopher and Dana Reeve 
Foundation...read on to find out why:

http://www.christopherreeve.org/learning


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Consortium Associate Chosen to Receive Grant
*
Sharon Matheny, who is a postdoctoral fellow in Luis Parada's laboratory at UT 
Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, was recently awarded one of the 
Foundation's two-year individual research grants. Partial support for this 
award was provided by a generous gift to CDRF from the Sam Schmidt Paralysis 
Foundation. As a graduate student, Dr. Matheny, who is also a CDRF Consortium 
Associate from the Parada laboratory, investigated molecular signaling in 
cancer cells, which communicate differently than normal cells do. Her 
participation in the Consortium led her to realize such studies in spinal cord 
injury could be very helpful. The complexity of spinal cord injury means that 
combination drugs that attack at multiple levels must be developed. Armed with 
the appropriate molecular information, researchers will have the tools to 
construct next-generation "smart" drugs that are individualized for type, 
severity, and time of injury. And, since Dr. Matheny's project is focused on 
revealing potential pharmacological targets, the information yielded will be 
extremely valuable for concise, efficient experimentation in translational 
animal models. 

It is her hope that this work will contribute to the develoment of effective 
treatments for spinal cord injury.


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Peter T. Wilderotter Named New CDRF President
*
Early in April, Peter Wilderotter was appointed to the presidency of CDRF. As 
leader of CDRF, Wilderotter's priority will be to continue the critical work 
spearheaded by the late Christopher and Dana Reeve.

"Peter has the vision for building the Foundation for long term viability and 
is dedicated to our mission to care and cure the millions of Americans living 
with paralysis," said Peter Kiernan, Chairman and CEO, Christopher and Dana 
Reeve Foundation. "Peter is known throughout the industry for his gift of 
bringing talented people together in exciting and constructive ways. His proven 
talents and fundraising track record make him the perfect choice."


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Join Team Reeve in the ING New York City Marathon
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The Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation is extremely proud to partner with 
New York Road Runners in their Charity Partners Initiative. The program allows 
individuals interested in running the ING New York City Marathon to apply for a 
guaranteed entry through the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation in return 
for a fundraising donation of at least $3,000. These entries are for those who 
have not been accepted into the marathon either by qualification OR lottery. 

Join Team Reeve:

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Working 2 Walk Symposium 
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Space is still available for Working 2 Walk's Symposium this Sunday at the 
Ronald Reagan International Trade Center, but you must register TODAY to 
guarantee your spot:

http://www.working2walk.org/W2WRegistration.htm

The Symposium will feature presentations on the latest scientific advances 
toward a cure for paralysis, as well as lively roundtable discussions between 
researchers and patient advocates. 

Get more information on all of the Working 2 Walk activities:

http://www.working2walk.org


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