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A hard cushion? How does that work, Ed? Seems like it would exacerbate the problem. It certainly is counter-intuitive, but there has to be some science behind it! Seems like it would hurt..bad! Larry Willis Retired and proud of it Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com From: Ed Tessier e...@teamjeved.com Date: March 28, 2015 at 3:25:47 PM EDT To: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com Cc: Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com, Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com, Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net, quad-list@eskimo.com quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions I used Roho for almost 30 years without problems. I couldn't understand how so many quads pressure sores. After a very active lifestyle and losing some weight Roho stopped being effective. I tried everything else on the market, EVERYTHING. I lost almost a year and a half in bed when I finally tried the RIDE CUSHION. It is completely counterintuitive – – A HARD FOAM customized seat. It has worked well for two years now and got me most of my life back. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote: Great advice! Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com wrote: I used a Jay 2 Gel Cushion for about 20 years and then switched to a Roho Quadtro. Both have their pluses and minuses, but overall the Roho has been much better for my skin. I highly recommend the Quadtro. Remember that there will be an adjustment period with any new cushion you get. We all know what a big change it is when any adjustment is made to our sitting position, even an inch or two changes everything. So, whatever cushion you try be sure to give it a few weeks before you give it thumbs up or down. Now for my 'pros' and 'cons.' Jay 2 gel: Pros - stable base, easy to clean. no air adjustments needed. Cons - very heavy, inferior skin protection (my experience) and the foam base amplifies bumps as you roll. Roho: Pros - better skin protection, adjustable, cushions bumps, excellent customer service (the Pres. reads our quadlist!) Cons - harder to clean, possibility of punctures or leaks, have to adjust air in elevation changes. My number one suggestion is to always have TWO cushions, that way if one gets dirty or damaged you can use the backup. Also, if you're transferring between chairs you can simply put the other cushion in the other chair. Having a backup cushion will save you many headaches! If your insurance won't buy you a spare: 1. pony up the extra $400 for a cushion. 2. have a fundraiser with friends to raise the money. 3. ask your local CIL or spinal cord association if any have been donated (we get them in our office quite often.) 4. Do a gofundme webpage. Do whatever it takes to get two cushions! Don Tempe, AZ C5-6, 1982, diving From: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com To: Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com Cc: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list@eskimo.com quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions Besides, everybody sits different every single day. I've tried MANY different cushions over my 43 years. Roho works the very best for me. I'm C-4,5,6,7 I also use the Quadro select hi profile. Why not just give it the old college try? Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com wrote: Hi Derrick, In my *survey of one* I use the ROHO Quadtro Select, it is an air cushion with four quadrants that give you a custom fit. The cushion has two buttons on the front--the green button enables your pelvis to immerse and balance out, pushing the red button locks the air in place and keeps you very stable--it keeps me stable. As far as pressure mapping, no matter what cushion you are looking at, do NOT rely on pressure mapping alone. Pressure mapping is a tool to help, but the most important tool is looking at the skin on your butt after sitting on the cushion for an extended period of time. An example of this is when I was looking at a different type of cushion--it mapped out fantastic, all blue and cool. However at the end of the day my skin was bright red and hot. If I had just relied on the pressure map and not checked my skin with a mirror each night I would have surely ended up with a bad pressure ulcer. My 2-cents. Bob V On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Derrick wrote: I need a good cushion for pressure relief.Many suggest air cushion/Roho but balance is compromised. Plus you need to make sure that you have proper air in them. I've been using Jay2 and Motion Concept the past few years. Is gel or air cushions more popular? Has anyone tried the Comfort Company Vicair cushions? It maps out better than Roho, supposedly. Thanks, Derrick W in PA
Re: [QUAD-L] Cushions
How did you break your legs Larry? I would like to hear the story. Ron On Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:37 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote: For the first 25 years of my quad life I used a simple ten dollar inflatable cushionor nothing. I never had even a hint of a sore. Then I broke both legs and had to wear casts for six months. The lousy things created awful sores on my heels, ankles, knees, everywhere the cast touched with any pressure. It was like that opened the floodgates. I have fought sores constantly since then. They simply will not heal. I have three right now -- on my butt, hip, and ankle. Had them for over five years. I have resigned to take them with me to the grave. I am near 63 years old; can't be that much longer. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it
RE: [QUAD-L] seat cushions
You have it right. Each person needs to find the best for them, I’ve been on the jay cushion the entire time except for trying a roho Quadtro which did not work for me as I don’t have somebody around to adjust it and it did not stabilize me enough on our rocky hillside. JHave a great day everyone Joan From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:37 PM To: Quad-list Post Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions The key is don't change anything if you aren't getting pressure sores. Every quad is a different size, bone structure, activity level, weight, amount of transfers, pressure relief, age. So many things go into the equation. Rohos aren't any good if you don't have help maintaining the air pressure. I have had 17 years pressure sore free on 4 Jay 2 cushions. I will stick with this method until my luck changes. Ron On Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:25 PM, Ed Tessier e...@teamjeved.com wrote: I used Roho for almost 30 years without problems. I couldn't understand how so many quads pressure sores. After a very active lifestyle and losing some weight Roho stopped being effective. I tried everything else on the market, EVERYTHING. I lost almost a year and a half in bed when I finally tried the RIDE CUSHION. It is completely counterintuitive – – A HARD FOAM customized seat. It has worked well for two years now and got me most of my life back. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote: Great advice! Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com wrote: I used a Jay 2 Gel Cushion for about 20 years and then switched to a Roho Quadtro. Both have their pluses and minuses, but overall the Roho has been much better for my skin. I highly recommend the Quadtro. Remember that there will be an adjustment period with any new cushion you get. We all know what a big change it is when any adjustment is made to our sitting position, even an inch or two changes everything. So, whatever cushion you try be sure to give it a few weeks before you give it thumbs up or down. Now for my 'pros' and 'cons.' Jay 2 gel: Pros - stable base, easy to clean. no air adjustments needed. Cons - very heavy, inferior skin protection (my experience) and the foam base amplifies bumps as you roll. Roho: Pros - better skin protection, adjustable, cushions bumps, excellent customer service (the Pres. reads our quadlist!) Cons - harder to clean, possibility of punctures or leaks, have to adjust air in elevation changes. My number one suggestion is to always have TWO cushions, that way if one gets dirty or damaged you can use the backup. Also, if you're transferring between chairs you can simply put the other cushion in the other chair. Having a backup cushion will save you many headaches! If your insurance won't buy you a spare: 1. pony up the extra $400 for a cushion. 2. have a fundraiser with friends to raise the money. 3. ask your local CIL or spinal cord association if any have been donated (we get them in our office quite often.) 4. Do a gofundme webpage. Do whatever it takes to get two cushions! Don Tempe, AZ C5-6, 1982, diving _ From: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com To: Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com Cc: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list@eskimo.com quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions Besides, everybody sits different every single day. I've tried MANY different cushions over my 43 years. Roho works the very best for me. I'm C-4,5,6,7 I also use the Quadro select hi profile. Why not just give it the old college try? Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com wrote: Hi Derrick, In my *survey of one* I use the ROHO Quadtro Select, it is an air cushion with four quadrants that give you a custom fit. The cushion has two buttons on the front--the green button enables your pelvis to immerse and balance out, pushing the red button locks the air in place and keeps you very stable--it keeps me stable. As far as pressure mapping, no matter what cushion you are looking at, do NOT rely on pressure mapping alone. Pressure mapping is a tool to help, but the most important tool is looking at the skin on your butt after sitting on the cushion for an extended period of time. An example of this is when I was looking at a different type of cushion--it mapped out fantastic, all blue and cool. However at the end of the day my skin was bright red and hot. If I had just relied on the pressure map and not checked my skin with a mirror each night I would have surely ended up with a bad pressure ulcer. My 2-cents. Bob V On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Derrick wrote: I need a good cushion for pressure relief.Many suggest air cushion/Roho but balance is compromised. Plus you need to make
Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions
I used Roho for almost 30 years without problems. I couldn't understand how so many quads pressure sores. After a very active lifestyle and losing some weight Roho stopped being effective. I tried everything else on the market, EVERYTHING. I lost almost a year and a half in bed when I finally tried the RIDE CUSHION. It is completely counterintuitive – – A HARD FOAM customized seat. It has worked well for two years now and got me most of my life back. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote: Great advice! Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com wrote: I used a Jay 2 Gel Cushion for about 20 years and then switched to a Roho Quadtro. Both have their pluses and minuses, but overall the Roho has been much better for my skin. I highly recommend the Quadtro. Remember that there will be an adjustment period with any new cushion you get. We all know what a big change it is when any adjustment is made to our sitting position, even an inch or two changes everything. So, whatever cushion you try be sure to give it a few weeks before you give it thumbs up or down. Now for my 'pros' and 'cons.' Jay 2 gel: Pros - stable base, easy to clean. no air adjustments needed. Cons - very heavy, inferior skin protection (my experience) and the foam base amplifies bumps as you roll. Roho: Pros - better skin protection, adjustable, cushions bumps, excellent customer service (the Pres. reads our quadlist!) Cons - harder to clean, possibility of punctures or leaks, have to adjust air in elevation changes. My number one suggestion is to always have TWO cushions, that way if one gets dirty or damaged you can use the backup. Also, if you're transferring between chairs you can simply put the other cushion in the other chair. Having a backup cushion will save you many headaches! If your insurance won't buy you a spare: 1. pony up the extra $400 for a cushion. 2. have a fundraiser with friends to raise the money. 3. ask your local CIL or spinal cord association if any have been donated (we get them in our office quite often.) 4. Do a gofundme webpage. Do whatever it takes to get two cushions! Don Tempe, AZ C5-6, 1982, diving -- *From:* Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com *To:* Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com *Cc:* Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list@eskimo.com quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions Besides, everybody sits different every single day. I've tried MANY different cushions over my 43 years. Roho works the very best for me. I'm C-4,5,6,7 I also use the Quadro select hi profile. Why not just give it the old college try? Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com wrote: Hi Derrick, In my *survey of one* I use the ROHO Quadtro Select, it is an air cushion with four quadrants that give you a custom fit. The cushion has two buttons on the front--the green button enables your pelvis to immerse and balance out, pushing the red button locks the air in place and keeps you very stable--it keeps me stable. As far as pressure mapping, no matter what cushion you are looking at, do NOT rely on pressure mapping alone. Pressure mapping is a tool to help, but the most important tool is looking at the skin on your butt after sitting on the cushion for an extended period of time. An example of this is when I was looking at a different type of cushion--it mapped out fantastic, all blue and cool. However at the end of the day my skin was bright red and hot. If I had just relied on the pressure map and not checked my skin with a mirror each night I would have surely ended up with a bad pressure ulcer. My 2-cents. Bob V On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Derrick wrote: I need a good cushion for pressure relief.Many suggest air cushion/Roho but balance is compromised. Plus you need to make sure that you have proper air in them. I've been using Jay2 and Motion Concept the past few years. Is gel or air cushions more popular? Has anyone tried the Comfort Company Vicair cushions? It maps out better than Roho, supposedly. Thanks, Derrick W in PA
[QUAD-L] Cushions
For the first 25 years of my quad life I used a simple ten dollar inflatable cushionor nothing. I never had even a hint of a sore. Then I broke both legs and had to wear casts for six months. The lousy things created awful sores on my heels, ankles, knees, everywhere the cast touched with any pressure. It was like that opened the floodgates. I have fought sores constantly since then. They simply will not heal. I have three right now -- on my butt, hip, and ankle. Had them for over five years. I have resigned to take them with me to the grave. I am near 63 years old; can't be that much longer. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it
Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions
The key is don't change anything if you aren't getting pressure sores. Every quad is a different size, bone structure, activity level, weight, amount of transfers, pressure relief, age. So many things go into the equation. Rohos aren't any good if you don't have help maintaining the air pressure. I have had 17 years pressure sore free on 4 Jay 2 cushions. I will stick with this method until my luck changes. Ron On Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:25 PM, Ed Tessier e...@teamjeved.com wrote: I used Roho for almost 30 years without problems. I couldn't understand how so many quads pressure sores. After a very active lifestyle and losing some weight Roho stopped being effective. I tried everything else on the market, EVERYTHING. I lost almost a year and a half in bed when I finally tried the RIDE CUSHION. It is completely counterintuitive – – A HARD FOAM customized seat. It has worked well for two years now and got me most of my life back. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote: Great advice! Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com wrote: I used a Jay 2 Gel Cushion for about 20 years and then switched to a Roho Quadtro. Both have their pluses and minuses, but overall the Roho has been much better for my skin. I highly recommend the Quadtro. Remember that there will be an adjustment period with any new cushion you get. We all know what a big change it is when any adjustment is made to our sitting position, even an inch or two changes everything. So, whatever cushion you try be sure to give it a few weeks before you give it thumbs up or down. Now for my 'pros' and 'cons.' Jay 2 gel: Pros - stable base, easy to clean. no air adjustments needed. Cons - very heavy, inferior skin protection (my experience) and the foam base amplifies bumps as you roll. Roho:Pros - better skin protection, adjustable, cushions bumps, excellent customer service (the Pres. reads our quadlist!)Cons - harder to clean, possibility of punctures or leaks, have to adjust air in elevation changes. My number one suggestion is to always have TWO cushions, that way if one gets dirty or damaged you can use the backup. Also, if you're transferring between chairs you can simply put the other cushion in the other chair. Having a backup cushion will save you many headaches! If your insurance won't buy you a spare:1. pony up the extra $400 for a cushion.2. have a fundraiser with friends to raise the money.3. ask your local CIL or spinal cord association if any have been donated (we get them in our office quite often.)4. Do a gofundme webpage. Do whatever it takes to get two cushions! Don Tempe, AZC5-6, 1982, diving From: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com To: Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com Cc: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list@eskimo.com quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] seat cushions Besides, everybody sits different every single day. I've tried MANY different cushions over my 43 years. Roho works the very best for me. I'm C-4,5,6,7 I also use the Quadro select hi profile. Why not just give it the old college try? Bobbie Smile Everyday On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Bob Vogel rhvsh...@mac.com wrote: Hi Derrick, In my *survey of one* I use the ROHO Quadtro Select, it is an air cushion with four quadrants that give you a custom fit. The cushion has two buttons on the front--the green button enables your pelvis to immerse and balance out, pushing the red button locks the air in place and keeps you very stable--it keeps me stable. As far as pressure mapping, no matter what cushion you are looking at, do NOT rely on pressure mapping alone. Pressure mapping is a tool to help, but the most important tool is looking at the skin on your butt after sitting on the cushion for an extended period of time. An example of this is when I was looking at a different type of cushion--it mapped out fantastic, all blue and cool. However at the end of the day my skin was bright red and hot. If I had just relied on the pressure map and not checked my skin with a mirror each night I would have surely ended up with a bad pressure ulcer. My 2-cents. Bob V On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Derrick wrote: I need a good cushion for pressure relief.Many suggest air cushion/Roho but balance is compromised. Plus you need to make sure that you have proper air in them. I've been using Jay2 and Motion Concept the past few years. Is gel or air cushions more popular? Has anyone tried the Comfort Company Vicair cushions? It maps out better than Roho, supposedly. Thanks, Derrick W in PA
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Hit a tree in my van. I'll fill in the details tomorrow. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:11 PM EDT To: Quad-list Post quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Cushions Reply-To: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net How did you break your legs Larry? I would like to hear the story. Ron On Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:37 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote: For the first 25 years of my quad life I used a simple ten dollar inflatable cushionor nothing. I never had even a hint of a sore. Then I broke both legs and had to wear casts for six months. The lousy things created awful sores on my heels, ankles, knees, everywhere the cast touched with any pressure. It was like that opened the floodgates. I have fought sores constantly since then. They simply will not heal. I have three right now -- on my butt, hip, and ankle. Had them for over five years. I have resigned to take them with me to the grave. I am near 63 years old; can't be that much longer. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it
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I think most of us have enjoyed you being around and reading your post Larry. We hope you will hang tight for a lot longer. Sixty three is not old. I may have missed some news, so forgive me I should already know this but I must ask, how is your wife? She was in ICU I recall a while back. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote: Hit a tree in my van. I'll fill in the details tomorrow. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:11 PM EDT To: Quad-list Post quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Cushions Reply-To: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net How did you break your legs Larry? I would like to hear the story. Ron On Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:37 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote: For the first 25 years of my quad life I used a simple ten dollar inflatable cushionor nothing. I never had even a hint of a sore. Then I broke both legs and had to wear casts for six months. The lousy things created awful sores on my heels, ankles, knees, everywhere the cast touched with any pressure. It was like that opened the floodgates. I have fought sores constantly since then. They simply will not heal. I have three right now -- on my butt, hip, and ankle. Had them for over five years. I have resigned to take them with me to the grave. I am near 63 years old; can't be that much longer. Larry Willis Retired and proud of it
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
I use an M 300 with the corpus seating system. If you are using a corpus, it shouldn't take more than a couple of seconds to move from one position to another. Half a minute to tilt back? Absolutely unacceptable On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM, John S. alcibiat...@yahoo.com wrote: I think I heard the Permobil offers different gearing systems. they may have replace yours with a lower gear. that could explain the reason why your tilt mechanism take so long to raise you up and lower back. I haven't a clue as to where you find the serial number on it. Best wishes, John s Original message From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com Date:03/24/2015 12:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt Does anybody happen to know exactly where to find the serial number on a permobil? I'm sure it's somewhere in the paperwork, heck… If you know where I left that I'd appreciate it as well. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at 800-736-0925. Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, quad...@gmail.com writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
