Re: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[Robert Vogel]

Hi,

Thanks for the best wishes.  I totally agree with you in other forms of 
distractions, painting, gardening,
etc.  The exercise info I found is interesting and cool stuff.

Bob V

> On Apr 26, 2015, at 6:55 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Bob, I don't know if exercise is a cure as much as it is a distraction in 
> one's daily life style. Other forms of  distractions, painting, raised 
> gardening, cards, scrabble... are all tangible distractions  Time to break 
> traditional daily routines, like shopping or just going out in the cold and 
> get chilly. Distractions are not a promoted cure, but they are much better 
> than doing nothing.   I'm looking forward to your article.
> On a side note, did you hear that Permobil recently purchased ROHO?
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 4/26/2015 12:12:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> rhvsh...@me.com writes:
> Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for New 
> Mobility and am looking
> to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you do 
> please contact me at the list
> or at: rhvsh...@mac.com 
> 
> Bob V
> 

Re: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[wheelchair]

Bob, I don't know if exercise is a cure as much as it is a distraction in  
one's daily life style. Other forms of  distractions, painting, raised  
gardening, cards, scrabble... are all tangible distractions  Time to break  
traditional daily routines, like shopping or just going out in the cold and get 
 
chilly. Distractions are not a promoted cure, but they are much better than 
 doing nothing.   I'm looking forward to your article.
On a side note, did you hear that Permobil recently purchased ROHO?
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 4/26/2015 12:12:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
rhvsh...@me.com writes:

Does  anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for 
New  Mobility and am looking  
to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you 
do please contact me at the list
or at: _Rhvshark@mac.com_ (mailto:rhvsh...@mac.com) 


Bob V

Fwd: [QUAD-L] Hey Don

[Larry Willis]

Well, it is small comfort but a bit of relief to know we share the same 
symptoms. Doesn't make it any easier though. Greg, you nailed it exactly.

Larry Willis
Retired and proud of it


Begin forwarded message:

> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
> From: greg 
> Date: April 26, 2015 at 7:14:36 PM EDT
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [QUAD-L] Hey Don
> 
> This is me exactly. 
> Lots of nights I am shaking, feels like shivering cold. But if I uncover I 
> get better. When I am too hot or too cold, my arms feel exactly the same. I 
> have to guess which one I am. I keep a room thermometer near my bed to help 
> me decide. If I get really hot, I have to get up. I feel like a panic attack. 
> I just don't know why if I get overheated during the day, I don't shiver cold.
> 
> I think an apartment just for quads would be cool. With aides working their.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
>> Same problem here. Always cold at first, then wake up smothering.
>> Sometimes I can't tell if I am cold or too hot. Cover on is too
>> hot, cover off is cold. Then it gets hard to breathe and I have to
>> get up. It happened to me this morning and I still feel like
>> manure...weak, headache, lifeless, groggy. God I despise quad life.
> 

Re: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[wheelchair]

I believe its a hand, wrist, arm and shoulder bicycle wheel with  handles.  
Am I close Robert?
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 4/26/2015 12:58:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:

Well, Bob, what the heck is an arm ergo Meter? Have arm, therefore  
measure.?

Larry Willis  
Retired and proud of it




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Resent-From: _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
From:  Robert Vogel <_rhvshark@me.com_ (mailto:rhvsh...@me.com) >
Date: April  26, 2015 at 1:11:45 PM EDT
To: _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
Subject:  [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers




Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on  exercise for 
New Mobility and am looking  
to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you 
do please contact me at the list
or at: _Rhvshark@mac.com_ (mailto:rhvsh...@mac.com) 


Bob V




=

Re: Fwd: [QUAD-L] Hey Don

[greg]

This is me exactly. 
Lots of nights I am shaking, feels like shivering cold. But if I uncover I get 
better. When I am too hot or too cold, my arms feel exactly the same. I have to 
guess which one I am. I keep a room thermometer near my bed to help me decide. 
If I get really hot, I have to get up. I feel like a panic attack. I just don't 
know why if I get overheated during the day, I don't shiver cold.

I think an apartment just for quads would be cool. With aides working their.

Greg


> Same problem here. Always cold at first, then wake up smothering.
> Sometimes I can't tell if I am cold or too hot. Cover on is too
> hot, cover off is cold. Then it gets hard to breathe and I have to
> get up. It happened to me this morning and I still feel like
> manure...weak, headache, lifeless, groggy. God I despise quad life.

Fwd: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[Larry Willis]

Thanks Bob, an excellent answer. I look forward to your article. Keep us 
informed. Larry

Larry Willis
Retired and proud of it


Begin forwarded message:

> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
> From: Robert Vogel 
> Date: April 26, 2015 at 2:58:38 PM EDT
> To: Larry Willis 
> Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers
> 
> Hi Larry,
> 
> Thanks for the good question.  Here is an answer longer than you probably 
> want—the first paragraph
> provides the cliff’s notes. An arm ergometer (probably a better name out 
> there) is a hand peddle
> exercise device.  They come in table mounted versions as well as stand alone 
> versions that you can wheel
> right up to.  There are also a wide variety of quad grips available.
> 
> The reason I ask, is the article I’m writing is about exercise as a natural 
> mood elevator.  I’ve had battles with
> depression for many years and I find—working with my physician—that if I can 
> get at least 1/2 hour of cardio
> at least 4-5 times a week it is as effective as the antidepressant I was 
> taking, hence I was able to  I stop taking
> it under supervision of my physician.
> 
> I’m a T10 para and I’m able to transfer into my hand cycle that is mounted on 
> a stationary trainer.  In an article 
> I wrote in 2013 I had a great quote from a woman who wasn’t able to transfer 
> to a hand cycle so she used a
> table mounted arm ergometer to get her cardio.
> 
> Bob V
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Larry Willis  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Bob, what the heck is an arm ergo Meter? Have arm, therefore measure.?
>> 
>> Larry Willis
>> Retired and proud of it
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
>>> From: Robert Vogel 
>>> Date: April 26, 2015 at 1:11:45 PM EDT
>>> To: quad-list@eskimo.com
>>> Subject: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers
>>> 
>>> Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for 
>>> New Mobility and am looking
>>> to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you 
>>> do please contact me at the list
>>> or at: rhvsh...@mac.com
>>> 
>>> Bob V
>>> 
> 

Fwd: [QUAD-L] Hey Don

[Larry Willis]

Same problem here. Always cold at first, then wake up smothering. Sometimes I 
can't tell if I am cold or too hot. Cover on is too hot, cover off is cold. 
Then it gets hard to breathe and I have to get up. It happened to me this 
morning and I still feel like manure...weak, headache, lifeless, groggy. God I 
despise quad life.

Larry Willis
Retired and proud of it


Begin forwarded message:

> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
> From: Derrick 
> Date: April 26, 2015 at 2:17:57 PM EDT
> To: quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Hey Don
> 
> I have same issue cold when 1st in bed, then 2 hours later iI'm hot. I just 
> went thru this last night. I used remote to turn on fan and able to move 
> covers off me. I cooled down to fall asleep, then I wake up cold and sore 
> throat from fan. No win situation.
> all while, I am suppose to wear sleep apnea mask. That's not happening. It is 
> the small things that wear you down more than people think "he just can't 
> walk". Windows 10 is coming out with voice control so maybe there will be 
> more voice control home automation coming soon. I hard others make pulling 
> system with clothes pins to hold blanket.
> Lets hope,
> Derrick W in PA
> 
>> On 4/25/2015 4:51 PM, Joan Anglin wrote:
>> I can’t move myself at all, unless I spasm which often sends me into an 
>> uncomfortable position. It takes a good 10 to 15 minutes a night to get me 
>> positioned so that I think I’ll be comfortable all night long. I sleep on a 
>> memory foam mattress with the head and a foot slightly elevated. Because I 
>> sleep on my back my hands and arms have always been a problem because they 
>> will get wedged against my legs during the night. And then they’d would push 
>> up my shoulders and in the morning I would be a very sore. It looks 
>> ridiculous, but we found a way to keep my shoulders relaxed. We just take 
>> the bottom of my nightshirt and fold it back over my arms and pin it 
>> securely with my hand side by side on my stomach. It has also lessened the 
>> spasms which I think were caused by my fingers dating into my legs. Amazing 
>> what we have to go through to just get a night’s sleep! I have my cell phone 
>> plugged in on the table which has my Sicare turn on so I can watch TV. The 
>> phone will wake up to a voice command and I can call somebody to come over 
>> if I absolutely need to. Thank goodness it doesn’t happen very often.
>> The worst part is knowing I’m going to get too warm a couple of hours after 
>> going to bed and adjusting everything so that I am warm enough to go to 
>> sleep but not too warm so that I wake up hot and can’t do anything about 
>> it!! I really need to design a pulley system to raise and lower my blanket 
>> LOL. I can reach the water tube without moving so I don’t get too thirsty, 
>> but the alternating too hot and too cold is very frustrating. Anybody have 
>> any ideas? I’m open for suggestions.
>> I guess I could blame my temperature changes on living in Reno, today the 
>> high is 46°with snow this morning, and Wednesday is suppose to be a 
>> 82°record! Maybe I’ve lived here too long? Have a great day everyone. Joan
>>  
>> From: Don Smith [mailto:scamper2...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:42 AM
>> To: greg
>> Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Hey Don
>>  
>> I'm able  to move myself around  some, I sleep on a low  loss  air mattress 
>> and I have a phone by my bed incase of any issues I can't deal with. We 
>> change my foley every two weeks which  help cut down on problems.  As with 
>> most of us, I have had to call pca or a friend in the middle of the night 
>> though.
>> 
>>  
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM, greg  wrote:
>> I could not do it. I go most nights with no trouble, but now and then I 
>> start sweating really bad at night. I either need moved around a bit, or my 
>> cath is kinked somewhere. I would probably lay there all night worrying that 
>> I would start sweating any minute.
>> Greg
>> 
>> > Good for you, Don. I would not have the onions to live by myself. I
>> > can imagine my night as one long panic attack. It is almost that
>> > way now. You are more man than I am my friend.
>> 
>>  
> 

Re: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[Robert Vogel]

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the good question.  Here is an answer longer than you probably 
want—the first paragraph
provides the cliff’s notes. An arm ergometer (probably a better name out there) 
is a hand peddle
exercise device.  They come in table mounted versions as well as stand alone 
versions that you can wheel
right up to.  There are also a wide variety of quad grips available.

The reason I ask, is the article I’m writing is about exercise as a natural 
mood elevator.  I’ve had battles with
depression for many years and I find—working with my physician—that if I can 
get at least 1/2 hour of cardio
at least 4-5 times a week it is as effective as the antidepressant I was 
taking, hence I was able to  I stop taking
it under supervision of my physician.

I’m a T10 para and I’m able to transfer into my hand cycle that is mounted on a 
stationary trainer.  In an article 
I wrote in 2013 I had a great quote from a woman who wasn’t able to transfer to 
a hand cycle so she used a
table mounted arm ergometer to get her cardio.

Bob V

> On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Larry Willis  wrote:
> 
> Well, Bob, what the heck is an arm ergo Meter? Have arm, therefore measure.?
> 
> Larry Willis
> Retired and proud of it
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com 
>> From: Robert Vogel mailto:rhvsh...@me.com>>
>> Date: April 26, 2015 at 1:11:45 PM EDT
>> To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
>> Subject: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers
>> 
>> Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for 
>> New Mobility and am looking
>> to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you do 
>> please contact me at the list
>> or at: rhvsh...@mac.com 
>> 
>> Bob V
>> 

Re: [QUAD-L] Hey Don

[Derrick]

I have same issue cold when 1st in bed, then 2 hours later iI'm hot. I 
just went thru this last night. I used remote to turn on fan and able to 
move covers off me. I cooled down to fall asleep, then I wake up cold 
and sore throat from fan. No win situation.
all while, I am suppose to wear sleep apnea mask. That's not happening. 
It is the small things that wear you down more than people think "he 
just can't walk". Windows 10 is coming out with voice control so maybe 
there will be more voice control home automation coming soon. I hard 
others make pulling system with clothes pins to hold blanket.

Lets hope,
Derrick W in PA

On 4/25/2015 4:51 PM, Joan Anglin wrote:


I can’t move myself at all, unless I spasm which often sends me into 
an uncomfortable position. It takes a good 10 to 15 minutes a night to 
get me positioned so that I think I’ll be comfortable all night long. 
I sleep on a memory foam mattress with the head and a foot slightly 
elevated. Because I sleep on my back my hands and arms have always 
been a problem because they will get wedged against my legs during the 
night. And then they’d would push up my shoulders and in the morning I 
would be a very sore. It looks ridiculous, but we found a way to keep 
my shoulders relaxed. We just take the bottom of my nightshirt and 
fold it back over my arms and pin it securely with my hand side by 
side on my stomach. It has also lessened the spasms which I think were 
caused by my fingers dating into my legs. Amazing what we have to go 
through to just get a night’s sleep! I have my cell phone plugged in 
on the table which has my Sicare turn on so I can watch TV. The phone 
will wake up to a voice command and I can call somebody to come over 
if I absolutely need to. Thank goodness it doesn’t happen very often.


The worst part is knowing I’m going to get too warm a couple of hours 
after going to bed and adjusting everything so that I am warm enough 
to go to sleep but not too warm so that I wake up hot and can’t do 
anything about it!! I really need to design a pulley system to raise 
and lower my blanket LOL. I can reach the water tube without moving so 
I don’t get too thirsty, but the alternating too hot and too cold is 
very frustrating. Anybody have any ideas? I’m open for suggestions.


I guess I could blame my temperature changes on living in Reno, today 
the high is 46°with snow this morning, and Wednesday is suppose to be 
a 82°record! Maybe I’ve lived here too long? Have a great day 
everyone. Joan


*From:*Don Smith [mailto:scamper2...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:42 AM
*To:* greg
*Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Hey Don

I'm able  to move myself around  some, I sleep on a low  loss  air 
mattress and I have a phone by my bed incase of any issues I can't 
deal with. We change my foley every two weeks which help cut down on 
problems.  As with most of us, I have had to call pca or a friend in 
the middle of the night though.


On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM, greg > wrote:


I could not do it. I go most nights with no trouble, but now and then 
I start sweating really bad at night. I either need moved around a 
bit, or my cath is kinked somewhere. I would probably lay there all 
night worrying that I would start sweating any minute.

Greg


> Good for you, Don. I would not have the onions to live by myself. I
> can imagine my night as one long panic attack. It is almost that
> way now. You are more man than I am my friend.

Fwd: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[Larry Willis]

Well, Bob, what the heck is an arm ergo Meter? Have arm, therefore measure.?

Larry Willis
Retired and proud of it


Begin forwarded message:

> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
> From: Robert Vogel 
> Date: April 26, 2015 at 1:11:45 PM EDT
> To: quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: [QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers
> 
> Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for New 
> Mobility and am looking
> to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you do 
> please contact me at the list
> or at: rhvsh...@mac.com
> 
> Bob V
> 

[QUAD-L] Arm Ergometers

[Robert Vogel]

Does anybody use an arm ergometer?  I am doing an article on exercise for New 
Mobility and am looking
to do a brief interview with somebody that uses an arm ergometer.  If you do 
please contact me at the list
or at: rhvsh...@mac.com 

Bob V