[QUAD-L] MADD-Commerical

[River Wolfe]

 Hey Q,Thanks for your support and I realized my typo too late.  This wasn't a letter to MADD but an explanation to the people on this list as to why I thought the ad was offensive.Peace,RiverOn Sep 26, 2006, at 6:08 PM, B. Kimberlin ((Quadius)) wrote:While I can see all of the point of views that have been expressed, I would like to make suggestion to you if you are going to send this letter. I am not quite sure I understand the following sentence. I believe you are trying to say you were offended by the implication that after a person is disabled their ability to attract and or obtain a relationship is "diminished." If that is the case, you might want to consider changing the following sentence.  "As a person who has led a full life AFTER disability (including dating and relationships) I find the implication that after disability ones ability to attract and obtain relationships, offensive."  Perhaps you could say "As a person who has led a full life after disability (including dating and relationships), I find the implication that after disability ones ability to attract and obtain relationships is significantly diminished, offensive."  Of course, you could word this any number of ways. I just found the sentence to be a little vague.  Good luck,  QuadiusRiver Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Begin forwarded message:From: River Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Date: September 25, 2006 12:34:41 PM EDT  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] MADD-Commerical  Hi everyone,I look at this commercial and I look at the message just beyond the image on the screen.  As a person who has led a full life AFTER disability (including dating and relationships) I find the implication that after disability ones ability to attract and obtain relationships, offensive.  TRUE, but offensive because it promotes the notion that WE ARE NOT desirable.  Notice that the message needn't be explained; all you need is the image to get the message.  Everyone is familiar with the stereotype presented in this ad - if your is body different (in this case disabled) you will be alone and isolated, unable to obtain the dream of a relationship and everything a relationship promises.  Do we really want to encourage this stereotype?On this list the topic of dating and sexuality comes up all of the time.  We all moan and groan about how we are no longer attractive to others, and feel isolated.  Why do you think we feel so alone and have a difficult time attracting others?Unless we confront the media and the message, we will continue to feel the pain associated with the stereotype.How many of us thought "hmmm I'd better not WHATEVER (in my case hike) because I might become paralyzed"?.  Of course we avoid (some of us anyway) drinking and driving because it's illegal.  Very few young people avoid it or will be persuaded to avoid it because they don't want to become paralyzed or otherwise disabled. The legal threat is a bigger threat.So the argument that a teen or young adult is going to be affected by this ad is weak at best.Think about it and be honest with yourself.Peace,  RiverOn Sep 25, 2006, at 10:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Interesting Concept, but not outrageous, by any means.  If I thought dancing naked in the streets of New York or Chicago would make anyone reconsider doing anything that risky, I too would consider doing it.  Granted, that would be outrageous, if you knew me.     I'm spending too much time in hospitals these days meeting people of all ages who have experienced an SCI trauma.  Its not a reassuring experience even once.  Having to relate to them, their friends and family is not a rewarding or comforting experience.     If we can say or express a commercial that will make one person think and possibly prevent... I say "Go Fer It!"  W           In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:55:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Hello everybody> We just wanted to let you know that MADD has an outrageous commercial out> involving people with disabilities. The link is> http://www.madd.ca/english/news/pr/madd_best_friend_1.mov . If anyone has> time please write MADD a letter. Their address is:> MADD National Office> 511 E. John Carpenter Frwy. Suite 700> Irving, TX 75062   		 All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

Re: [QUAD-L] MADD-Commerical

[River Wolfe]

Is the the advice you would offer at the rehab center?  I guess that could be why they turned you down.  peace,Riverthat someone ends up in a w/c and has to see his best friend head out with his ex g/f?  that's pretty much real life if you ask meya know... i contacted a rehab center near me after my 35 years with an sci and offered to talk to any new injuries they were luke warm at best - kinda blew me off.  i may offer again - i would like to give back a little if i could...  if not,  oh well. o'c         In a message dated 9/25/2006 12:49:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I   definitely understand where you're coming from regarding meeting too many   people with new SCI injuries.  I was a peer counselor for quite some time   and could not figure out why I had recurring difficulties getting motivated   properly.  After discovering that the peer counseling seem to be doing   more damage than good to me, decided to wean myself from the program   slowly.  I would still like to go in every now and then to counsel new   injuries that are similar to mine, but it seems as if the program has dried up   down here.  It is a valuable program, but it has to have more than a few   volunteers to be successful.  Burnout is   inevitable.Quadius[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Interesting Concept, but not outrageous, by any means.  If I thought dancing naked in the streets of New York or Chicago would make anyone reconsider doing anything that risky, I too would consider doing it.  Granted, that would be outrageous, if you knew me. I'm spending too much time in hospitals these days meeting people of all ages who have experienced an SCI trauma.  Its not a reassuring experience even once.  Having to relate to them, their friends and family is not a rewarding or comforting experience. If we can say or express a commercial that will make one person think and possibly prevent... I say "Go Fer It!"W   In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:55:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hello   everybody> We just wanted to let   you know that MADD has an outrageous commercial out> involving people with   disabilities. The link is> http://www.madd.ca/english/news/pr/madd_best_friend_1.mov   . If anyone has> time please write MADD a   letter. Their address is:> MADD National   Office> 511 E. John Carpenter   Frwy. Suite 700> Irving, TX   75062 All-new   Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done   faster.    Dave daveoconnell.com C3

[QUAD-L] MADD-Commerical

[River Wolfe]

Begin forwarded message:From: River Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: September 25, 2006 12:34:41 PM EDTTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] MADD-Commerical Hi everyone,I look at this commercial and I look at the message just beyond the image on the screen.  As a person who has led a full life AFTER disability (including dating and relationships) I find the implication that after disability ones ability to attract and obtain relationships, offensive.  TRUE, but offensive because it promotes the notion that WE ARE NOT desirable.  Notice that the message needn't be explained; all you need is the image to get the message.  Everyone is familiar with the stereotype presented in this ad - if your is body different (in this case disabled) you will be alone and isolated, unable to obtain the dream of a relationship and everything a relationship promises.  Do we really want to encourage this stereotype?On this list the topic of dating and sexuality comes up all of the time.  We all moan and groan about how we are no longer attractive to others, and feel isolated.  Why do you think we feel so alone and have a difficult time attracting others?Unless we confront the media and the message, we will continue to feel the pain associated with the stereotype.How many of us thought "hmmm I'd better not WHATEVER (in my case hike) because I might become paralyzed"?.  Of course we avoid (some of us anyway) drinking and driving because it's illegal.  Very few young people avoid it or will be persuaded to avoid it because they don't want to become paralyzed or otherwise disabled. The legal threat is a bigger threat.So the argument that a teen or young adult is going to be affected by this ad is weak at best.Think about it and be honest with yourself.Peace,RiverOn Sep 25, 2006, at 10:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Interesting Concept, but not outrageous, by any means.  If I thought dancing naked in the streets of New York or Chicago would make anyone reconsider doing anything that risky, I too would consider doing it.  Granted, that would be outrageous, if you knew me.   I'm spending too much time in hospitals these days meeting people of all ages who have experienced an SCI trauma.  Its not a reassuring experience even once.  Having to relate to them, their friends and family is not a rewarding or comforting experience.   If we can say or express a commercial that will make one person think and possibly prevent... I say "Go Fer It!" W       In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:55:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello   everybody> We just wanted to let you   know that MADD has an outrageous commercial out> involving people with   disabilities. The link is> http://www.madd.ca/english/news/pr/madd_best_friend_1.mov   . If anyone has> time please write MADD a   letter. Their address is:> MADD National   Office> 511 E. John Carpenter Frwy.   Suite 700> Irving, TX   75062   

[QUAD-L] MADD

[River Wolfe]

Hello everybody > We just wanted to let you know that MADD has an outrageous commercial out > involving people with disabilities. The link is > http://www.madd.ca/english/news/pr/madd_best_friend_1.mov . If anyone has > time please write MADD a letter. Their address is: > MADD National Office > 511 E. John Carpenter Frwy. Suite 700 > Irving, TX 75062 > 

Re: [QUAD-L] Party jokes

[River Wolfe]

And another one:

Rumsfeld on why the chicken crossed the road:

It is unknowable how long the chicken will take to cross the road, it  
could take six days, six weeks.  I doubt six months.



On Sep 24, 2006, at 1:25 PM, River Wolfe wrote:


FUNNY !
On Sep 23, 2006, at 5:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Why did the chicken cross the road?

   DR. PHIL:
  The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he
  must first deal with the problem on "THIS" side of the road before
   it goes after the problem on the "OTHER SIDE" of the road. What we
   need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not  
taking

  on his "CURRENT" problems before adding "NEW" problems.
  ___
   OPRAH:
  Well I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why
   he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the
  chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of
  life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just  
drive
   across the road and not live his life like the rest of the  
chickens.

  __
   GEORGE W BUSH:
  We don't really care why the chicken crossed the
  road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our
  side of the road, or not. The chicken is either
  against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
  _
  COLIN POWELL:
  Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see
  the satellite image of the chicken crossing the
  road...
  ___
  ANDERSON COOPER - CNN:
  We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we
  have not yet been allowed to have access to the other
  side of the road.
  __
   JOHN KERRY:
  Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road,
  I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross,
  and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am
  not for it now, and will remain against it.
  __
  NANCY GRACE:
   That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY!
   You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
  ___
  PAT BUCHANAN:
  To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
  _
  MARTHA STEWART:
  No one called me to warn me which way that chicken
  was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's
  Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a
  certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
  _
  DR SEUSS:
  Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad?
  Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not   
been told.

  ___
  ERNEST HEMINGWAY:
  To die in the rain. Alone.
  
  JERRY FALWELL:
  Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see
  the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken
  was going to the "other side." That's why they call
  it the "other side." Yes, my friends, that chicken is
  gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay
  too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out
  this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes
  with seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side."
  That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's
  as plain and as simple as that.
  __
  GRANDPA:
  In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the
  road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road,
  and that was good enough.
  __
  BARBARA WALTERS:
  Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will
  be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time,
  the heart warming story of how it experienced a
  serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its
  life long dream of crossing the road.
  
  JOHN LENNON:
  Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads
  together, in peace.
  
  ARISTOTLE:
  It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
  
  BILL GATES:
  I have just released eChicken2005, which will not
  only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your
  important documents, and balance your check book.
  Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken.
  This new platform is much more stable and will never
cra...#@&&^ <http://us.f546.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?  
To=cra...#@&&^> ( C \

 reboot.
  __
  ALBERT EINSTEIN:
  Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the
  road move beneath t

Re: [QUAD-L] Party jokes

[River Wolfe]

FUNNY !
On Sep 23, 2006, at 5:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Why did the chicken cross the road?

   DR. PHIL:
  The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he
  must first deal with the problem on "THIS" side of the road before
   it goes after the problem on the "OTHER SIDE" of the road. What we
   need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking
  on his "CURRENT" problems before adding "NEW" problems.
  ___
   OPRAH:
  Well I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why
   he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the
  chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of
  life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive
   across the road and not live his life like the rest of the  
chickens.

  __
   GEORGE W BUSH:
  We don't really care why the chicken crossed the
  road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our
  side of the road, or not. The chicken is either
  against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
  _
  COLIN POWELL:
  Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see
  the satellite image of the chicken crossing the
  road...
  ___
  ANDERSON COOPER - CNN:
  We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we
  have not yet been allowed to have access to the other
  side of the road.
  __
   JOHN KERRY:
  Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road,
  I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross,
  and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am
  not for it now, and will remain against it.
  __
  NANCY GRACE:
   That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY!
   You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
  ___
  PAT BUCHANAN:
  To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
  _
  MARTHA STEWART:
  No one called me to warn me which way that chicken
  was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's
  Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a
  certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
  _
  DR SEUSS:
  Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad?
  Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not   
been told.

  ___
  ERNEST HEMINGWAY:
  To die in the rain. Alone.
  
  JERRY FALWELL:
  Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see
  the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken
  was going to the "other side." That's why they call
  it the "other side." Yes, my friends, that chicken is
  gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay
  too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out
  this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes
  with seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side."
  That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's
  as plain and as simple as that.
  __
  GRANDPA:
  In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the
  road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road,
  and that was good enough.
  __
  BARBARA WALTERS:
  Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will
  be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time,
  the heart warming story of how it experienced a
  serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its
  life long dream of crossing the road.
  
  JOHN LENNON:
  Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads
  together, in peace.
  
  ARISTOTLE:
  It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
  
  BILL GATES:
  I have just released eChicken2005, which will not
  only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your
  important documents, and balance your check book.
  Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken.
  This new platform is much more stable and will never
cra...#@&&^  ( C \

 reboot.
  __
  ALBERT EINSTEIN:
  Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the
  road move beneath the chicken?
  
  BILL CLINTON:
  I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is
  your definition of chicken?
  -
  AL GORE:
  I invented the chicken!
  ---
  COLONEL SANDERS:
  Did I miss one?

Re: [QUAD-L] I have pneumonia

[River Wolfe]

Hi everyone,I saw my Primary today and she suggested steam twice a day, percussion (which we're doing) and she gave me an inhaler to expand my bronchial tubes.Funny I remember that commercial for the medicine Mucinex.  I hate that commercial, the one with the mucous blobs moving into your lungs and then being evicted by the medicine.EWWw... ;-))Thanks Again, I'm definitely feeling better today.RiverOn Sep 11, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Danny Hearn wrote:Thank you Dave, yes I do think that was the name , Its funny in these modern times it's hard to remember the names of so many products available. Dan"David K. Kelmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Danny,     It's called Mucinex, but I'm not sure if you can get it with just an expectorant in it.  I advise talking to the Pharmacist.      With Love,  CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 30 Years PostTexas, USADanny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     I was in walgreens the other day and they had a product that the saleslady said was getting popular..It say's it helps rid the body of mucus and flem.I can't remember the name but i think it was mucusbegone or mucusrid  anyway if you go to a walgreens i'm sure you can find it.at the walgreens near me they had it back in drug section plus up front near the checkout lines.    good luck.   DanRiver Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Hi everyone,I have a mild case of pneumonia. I had excruciating lung pain and fever Thur night, took tylenol and celebrex and that helped alot. My Dr. sent me to the ER Fri.they saw a small infection in lower right lung lobe. Gave me antibiotics and cough syrup. Problem is I have no cough. Any suggestions as to how to getthis stuff up and out of my lungs?I see my primary Dr. today.Thanks,River

[QUAD-L] I have pneumonia

[River Wolfe]

Hi everyone,

I have a mild case of pneumonia.  I had excruciating lung pain and  
fever Thur night, took tylenol and celebrex and that helped alot.  My  
Dr. sent me to the ER Fri.
they saw a small infection in lower right lung lobe.  Gave me  
antibiotics and cough syrup.  Problem is I have no cough.  Any  
suggestions as to how to get

this stuff up and out of my lungs?

I see my primary Dr. today.

Thanks,

River

Re: [QUAD-L] Does Your Chair Stink?-spray bleach

[River Wolfe]

On Sep 6, 2006, at 4:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:DOG HAIR & DUST! & Cat hair too.R

Re: [QUAD-L] Looking for a hospital

[River Wolfe]

Hello folks,.  I believe your best bet is to go to a teaching hospital.  I'm not familiar with PA, but seek out the medical schools nearby.  Your Dr is a jerk.   The state of medical care in this country is so poor, it's a damn shame.  Go to http://sci.rutgers.edu/, Care Cure.  There's a wonderful group of medical care professional who run the boards, request some assistance from them.Please let us know how you progress and what you find out about a Dr.Peace,RiverOn Sep 1, 2006, at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Looking for some information for my husband:     Glenn is a 40 year C5-6 quadriplegic of good general health.  8/15/06 he underwent cystoscope 6 years after last scope that read normal.  Glenn started w/new urologist at same group where his original urologist had retired.  8/15 cysto saw mass in bladder and deemed that bladder no longer proved workable after 40 years w/Foley caths.  Cysto performed w/spinal that went without incident.  However, urologist needed to use scope to place the cath properly.       8/22/06 Glenn started to bleed profusely and pass numerous blood clots around cath.  Little urine passing through cath but it too was bloody.  Wife tried to irrigate cath unsuccessfully. Wife then removed cath which was visually clogged with blood clots.  Wife tried to insert new one.  Not successful as when it was in place, (not easily), it would not drain, and blood & clots passed around new cath too.  (Note: wife has inserted Foleys for 25 years w/o difficulty.)   Called urology service, went to hospital on their recommendation by ambulance.  In ER cath removed, 28 3-way cath inserted, gravity irrigated and manually.  Six hours later Glenn sent home by ambulance w/irrigation solution and high hopes.  Upon turning Glenn on bed to prepare him for night she saw puddles of blood/clots/urine under him and returned to hospital in same ambulance.   8/23/06 urologist forcefully irrigated cath ... etc.  8/24/06 second cystoscope performed. Urologist reported that culture showed malignancy found in bladder, contained and early state.  Urologist reiterated and explained need for cysectomy and ilio conduit.        Placement of working spinal cath was 1 hr. operation due to Glenn's compressed discs due to previous spinal column injury.  Urologist st'd that he saw no source of bleed, again cauterized biopsy sites, place cath, again using scope.  Urologist told wife that he couldn't keep placing caths by scope.    8/24 post-surgery to 8/27 Glenn ran fever.  Had had chills in Post Op, was warmed by using heated blankets, came to room with 4 blankets over and 1 blanket under him.  Fever diminished somewhat with use of Tylenol.  Glenn asked to have blankets removed.  Fever ranged from 100-102.8 F., sometimes Glenn shook with chills, sometimes not.  Glenn asked to have a fan or cooling blanket, believing that autonomic hyperreflexia might be source and that by cooling is body core he could reduce his fever.  Wife used ice baths, later fan was brought from home and on 8/27 fever came down to low grade-normal range and where it remains today.   Glenn needs cystectomy (early malignancy found by first cysto) and ilioconduit and stoma.  Glenn needs to find facility familiar with high level quad care.   Urologist told us today that he will not operate on Glenn and that Glenn would be better served in facility outside of Lancaster County.  Urologist told us that we could search the Internet to find both.     Today Infectious Disease doc ordered another ultrasound of kidneys today to determine what spot was shown on L. kidney yesterday by C-scan.  He st'd that he'd tell us results on 8/29.   What direction to take?  Which facilities offer quality urological care for high level SPI injury quads found within limited geographic area that Glenn can travel?   We are in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.   Wife asked what to do if reoccurrence of bleed/clots when they get home.  Go to ER? "I guess so" was Urologist response.     How & Where can we start research?

[QUAD-L] Cheering everyone up

[River Wolfe]

 Check out Josh Blue on youtube.com.  He just won last comic standing, a talent show on TV for comics.  He has cerebal palsy.He's hysterical !River

[QUAD-L] speech software

[River Wolfe]

Hi yal,

does anyone here use speech recognition software for Mac ?

Any recommendations ?

Peace,
River

Re: [QUAD-L] What happen?

[River Wolfe]

Let me make it clear right now...I am not responsible for what John says or does.  ;-)Peace,RiverOn Aug 7, 2006, at 1:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Gosh,, the things I could say about religion and politicssure wish I had more to say about sex. I don't watch PBS often, too many commercials. I don't think the gov't should subsidize a toy for  the rich and British. If I want culture I'll grow some.  How can you tell if blue man isn't being plagiarized? Oh yes!, I'm a pinko liberal SOB that thinks we are responsible for each other as well as what we do.   john   In a message dated 8/6/2006 9:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  You didn't run anyone away, Carol. :o) I'm still here! I just don't have anything to say regarding politics or religion, but I'm game for other topics! Right now, I'm watching The Blue Men concert on PBS - anyone else viewing this? It's an awesome show, man, I'd love to be able to see these guys live!   Steph 

Re: [QUAD-L] Awake-Sex

[River Wolfe]

For the record, I have never lied about sex ;-) On Aug 6, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Coveleskie wrote:CLINTON LIED ABOUT WAS SEX WE'VE ALL DONE THAT.LOL River

Re: [QUAD-L] What would you have done.

[River Wolfe]

W,Your subject line asks "what would you have done?"  That depends on which perspective one is coming from.  Had I been the quad I probably would not have made such a dangerous trip and instead have some arrangement made to move my mother closer to me.  Had I been you, well... I don't know what your role is/was in this situation so I can't answer that question.Sounds like a nightmare for everyone involved.RiverOn Aug 6, 2006, at 10:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This week has been crazy.  Let me try to explain   Mr. X of New Jersey called a couple of months ago to tell me that he was coming to Chicago for a week to visit his aging Mother and celebrate her 100 year birthday and see a couple of Chicago baseball games before returning to New Jersey.  His method of travel was AMTRAK.   Mr. X is a 62+ C5 quad, trach user, prostate cancer and bad lungs that need mechanical cleaning 4 times a day.  Mr. X chose to travel with his girlfriend which is 1/2 his age and his mentality.  Mr. X doesn't wish to fly so its AMTRAK for him to Chicago.  His arrival was supposed to be a week ago Friday at 9am.  He actually arrived 3 hours late and his lung cleaning broke down 1/2 way to Chicago. He uses a Permobil wheelchair and he had 16 pieces of luggage 6 critical and 10 bags of clothes and tubes. No charger for his chair or cell phone.  I proceeded to take Mr. X and his 1/2 x girlfriend to an assisted living center in a community North of the city.  My plan was to leave the van with him to use while he was in town.  I used public transportation to work my way back to my office some 65-70 miles away.   6 days later, I had heard nothing from Mr. X or his 1/2 x girlfriend.  I call the center where I dropped him and discovered that he left the center the day after I dropped him and hadn't return, but my van was still at the center.  I called his 100 year old mother only to discover that he was admitted to the city hospital on the past Saturday and was still there. I used public bus to find the hospital that was 3 miles away and  yes he was there in the pulmonary ward and isolated.  He missed his Thursday Amtrak departure and the hospital didn't know when he would be released because of his condition.  Mr. X made a command decision that he would release himself the next day and asked me to be at the hospital at 9am to help 1/2 x to remove his luggage from the center he wasn't staying at.  The center bill had been prepaid so he didn't receive a refund.  I headed by to the hospital with his 16 bags and he was signing the release papers against the wishes of his doctors and nurses. They were concerned that fluid would build up in his lungs during the 15+ hour return to NY and AMTRAK would not stop the train if there was a 911 event.  You can imagine the tensive situation of this.  He signed the paperwork anyway and was released... under written protest. I took Mr. X and 1/2 x and 16 bags to the AMTRAK Station 90 minutes before the train was to leave.  There must have been 250 people standing in lines, on a Friday before the weekend, waiting to take the train to New York.  I caught a red cap and loaded 10 tag'd bags on his cart and said that they were going to NY.  The other 6 bags with critical needs I keep for the Xs to take on the train.  60 minutes later 1/2 x comes out of customer service crying and having a tissy fit.  Apparently when they missed the train on Thursday, they thought that they would be rescheduled to the next day.  AMTRAK didn't think that way and placed them on a train leaving "this" Thursday.   So here's the situation for those who haven't kept up with this story.  Every hotel and motel is booked solid for the Lollapaloza Music Fest. Mr. X and 1/2 x have no where to go and no place to stay.  The Amtrak train leaves full without them and its 8pm in Chicago on a Friday NIght.  He hasn't had his lungs suction'd and the sitution doesn't look promising.   --   I take Mr. X and 1/2x back to the hospital emergency room and advise them that his running a temperature and needs his lungs cleaned.  I got him re-admitted thru the ER and finally got to leave about 1am on Saturday.  I called him today Sunday and asked how he was doing. The original cultures from his previous stay had finally come back and the bacteria was ID'd and Mr. X was on 3 IV drips.  1/2  x was sleeping by his bedside.   I told him that I would call him Wednesday this week while I was on my way to St. Louis to see how thing were going.   I only ask that you think of this ... the next time you plan on traveling. W

[QUAD-L] no mail

[River Wolfe]

Hello...(hello, hello) is anybody in there ?

is anyone at home ?

River

Re: [QUAD-L] For all you animal lovers

[River Wolfe]

I hope you really said this, it made our day ROTFLMAO.  People, in their desire to connect do ask the most obvious questions don't they?RiverOn Aug 3, 2006, at 7:23 PM, RollinOn wrote:   That's the funniest damn thing I've heard in a long  time Tim!! LMAO!!!   Mark    ---Original Message---    From: Tim Thompson Date: 08/03/06 18:12:36 To: Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] For all you animal lovers   I have a golden retriever and I was buying a large bag of Purina at Wal-Mart and was in line to check out.   A woman behind me asked if I had a dog. On impulse, I told her no, I was starting The Purina Diet again, although I probably shouldn't because I ended up in the hospital the last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.   I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet. The way it works is to load your pants pockets with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry and that the food is n utritionally complete, so I was going to try it again.   I have to mention here that practically everyone in the line was by now enthralled with my story, particularly a guy who was behind her.   Horrified, she asked if I'd ended up in the hospital because I had been poisoned.  I told her no; it was because I'd been sitting in the street licking my balls and a car hit me.   I thought one guy was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard as he staggered out the door.   .  

Re: [QUAD-L] Hey gang

[River Wolfe]

I really enjoyed reading about Rupert, Survivor Pirate and my  
personal favorite.  The game will never be as good as it was when  
Rupert was on.


Peace,
River
On Aug 3, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Tim Thompson wrote:


Virtualy visit the Sturgis motorcycle rally (if you have a high-speed
connection)
Aug 7-13
http://www.sturgisrally.net/

I use to live 35mi away. Super party.
Great party, and the Buffalo chip really is a must see
http://www.buffalochip.com

Stunt

Re: [QUAD-L] heritage

[River Wolfe]

I'm scotch/irish and German.  Born in Atlanta, raised in Dallas, TX and currently in Columbus, OHRiver, t-4 para with rheumatoid arthiritisOn Aug 1, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Nichole Rohling wrote:I'M 50% CZECH - MY DAD'S 100% - I'VE DONE SOME GENEOLOGY - IT'S QUITE INTERESTING.  MY GRANDMA HAS TOLD US STORIES THAT ARE SO INTERESTING - SHE'S 89. NICKI  - Original Message -From: Angelique NovakTo: Quad ListSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:27 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] heritageHey everybody-    I'm asking this in no way negatively.  I was wondering whatheritages everybody here, (who wants to share), is.  I think it'sinteresting to learn about different cultures and the similarities anddifferences each have. That was always a neat part of Social Studies inschool.  I'm German, Irish, Polish, and Czechoslovakian, & not NativeAmerican, but an American.  Anybody else want to tell? : )-Angie

Re: [QUAD-L] Jim's board Jim's rules

[River Wolfe]

my 2 sense worth,
if my email even goes through, nothing I've posted in the past two  
weeks has made it...


The discussion headed toward politics and religon as we discussed a  
very pertinent topic to US, Stem Cell REsearch.


These days, politics is one step away from personal.

River

Re: [QUAD-L] PISSIN ON PRESIDENTS, ETC

[River Wolfe]

How true, maybe the current state of affairs in the country and in the world is enough to make everyone do what Mark did, RESEARCH the facts.  Research from unbiased sources (very difficult to find these days I admit)  Once you have researched the facts (mediamatters.com is a good place to start) VOTE.  power to the people.RiverOn Jul 24, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Lori Michaelson wrote:all the whining, bitching, and complaining is not getting any one anywhere. 

Re: [QUAD-L] Emailing: Our_tax_dollars_at_wo

[River Wolfe]

DITTO

LOL !

River
On Jul 23, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Dan wrote:


John,

We think so much alike it's scary. Half the time I don't post  
because all I could say would be ditto.


Dan


At 08:13 PM 7/23/2006 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that  
elicited my response:


I think Bush would violate any or all morals to justify his  
morals. God only knows what he believes. White house leakls are  
good if they are authorized. Lies are good if they advance his  
position. Killing is good if it advances his position.

But taxes on rich are bad!

John

[QUAD-L] Ben and Jerry's new flavor

[River Wolfe]

If you do NOTHING else today you must see this:

http://www.benjerry.com/americanpie/bens_bb.cfm

River

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

[River Wolfe]

The concern is that when private interests complete research on medical cures, it is their property.  Resulting in a financial interest for the private company.  If it were Gvt sponsoredresearch, then it would be owned by us and the price to partake in the treatment would be considerably less.  I also don't understand how TonySnow can say W is against murder, but that since using these zygotes for research isn't illegal then the private sector can and will pursue research.  Seems kinda hypocritical to me.On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:46 PM, tahouston wrote:George Bush did not kill research on stem cells, he just refused to fund it with taxpayers money.  Like many other sickness and diseases, researchers continuing on with private donations and private fundraisers.  Any person who wants to sit around and wait for the government to take action on important issues that they may benefit from I suggest is wasting their time.  Most cures in this country have been discovered through R&D of private companies in the perseverance of medical scientists and doctors funded by private donations. T. Houston C5 C6- Original Message -From: Rick CaseltineTo: Quad ListSent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:50 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill KilledBush uses first-ever veto to kill stem cell bill 32minutes ago WASHINGTON (AFP) - US    President George W. Bushused his veto for the first time since taking office,blocking a bill that would have expanded federalfunding for embryonic stem cell research.  "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent societyneeds to respect, so I vetoed it," Bush said inremarks at the White House, saying that in rejectingthe legislation he is "keeping the promise I made tothe American people."As science brings us ever closer to unlocking thesecrets of human biology, it also offers temptationsto manipulate human life and violate human dignity,"said Bush."Our conscience and history as a nation demand that weresist this temptation," Bush said.The stem cell research endorsed by the Senate onTuesday would have used embryos -- some consisting ofjust a handful of cells -- left over from in vitrofertilization (IVF) procedures.The president had long vowed to veto the bill becauseof his deeply held moral beliefs that destroying humanlife is wrong -- even in its earliest form, and evenin the interest of research that could lead topotentially life-saving medical breakthroughs.Bush made the announcement at a White House signingceremony for alternative bioethics legislation knownas "The Fetus Farming Prohibition Act," making it acrime to initiate a pregnancy for the sole purpose ofobtaining human organs or tissue for research.Present for the announcement were several familieswith "snowflake babies" -- children conceived viadonated embryos left over from IVF treatments.The president vetoed the Stem Cell ResearchEnhancement Act despite widespread support by the USpublic and ardent backers in Congress, who onWednesday urged Bush to reconsider his stance.Stem cell research advocates say the technique showspromise for the treatment of degenerative diseasessuch as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, and for diabetes.The bill would have lifted rules set by Bush in 2001making federal funds available only for research on asmall number of embryonic stem cell lines whichexisted at that time.Government money is barred from supporting work on newlines derived from human embryos -- a restriction thatopponents say hampers overall research.In London, Martin Rees, the president of the RoyalSociety -- Britain's de facto academy of sciences --said the US policy "is slowing down the global effortto develop therapies for a range of diseases andillnesses.""If the present restrictions remain, it would surelymean that the United States will continue to fallbehind in this important and exciting area," saidRees.The Senate approved the measure by a 63-37 vote -- amargin too small to override a presidential veto.Nevertheless, 41 Senate Democrats sent a letter toMajority Leader Bill Frist, urging him to lobbysupport among congressional Republicans to overturnBush's veto."We are pleased that you supported this importantlegislation and know that you recognize the enormouspotential of this research for discovering new curesand therapies for diseases such as diabetes,Parkinsons disease and spinal cord injuries."The only chance for overriding this veto rests withyou and the Republican caucuses in the House and theSenate."Millions of patients and their families across thenation cannot afford to wait any longer for theenactment of this urgently needed legislation," theDemocratic lawmakers wrote. "We are counting on your leadership to help ensurethat this legislation becomes law so that we mayfinally clear the way for research that could lead totreatments and cures for so many debilitating diseaseand conditions," Democrats wrote.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 

Re: [QUAD-L] Blame Game SCI Life

[River Wolfe]

spill your guts John... LOLRiverOn Jul 17, 2006, at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I would like to appologize to anyone or everyone that thought I was holding my feelings in.   john     In a message dated 7/17/2006 8:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi River,I haven't shoved anything feelings down anywhere,River. I've come to terms with my injury long ago andI as well as many others here have too. If one wantsto vent their feeling on this list, then fine, it'stheir way of dealing. Do whatever you have to do todeal with your new life. But do it, then get on withit and live the best that one can. If a cure happens,then great!, if not, oh well, keep on living yourlife.Rick--- River Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Excuse ME!> You might want to check out the "Quality of Life> after SCI" thread.   > Last time I checked I could read English and those> msgs were damn  > positive !> > This list is for people who don't want to shove> their feelings down  > so much that someday they explode with anger.  This> list is for  > relating and venting in a safe space with people> who don't judge us (ahem)> > Peace,> > River> On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Rick Caseltine wrote:> > > Hi all,> >> > I’ve been reading all of you’re ‘wonder> why’ replies> > and here’s my two cents worth. There has been a> lot of> > talk about stem cell research and the possibility> of a> > cure for the injured spinal cord on human beings.> I> > want and pray for a cure just as much as the next> > person does (have followed all the newspaper> reports,> > magazine articles, TV stories, legislator talks,> etc.> > regarding cures and still will) but I’m not> going to> > let that become the reason for going on in my quad> > life. I haven’t heard much talk on living with> your> > SCI and making the best of the hand one was dealt.> > Rather, a lot of discussions on maybes, some days,> > wishes, dreams, hopes, blaming Religion beliefs> for> > non cures (hilarious), blaming whatever else one> can,> > blame this, blame that, blah, blah, blah. I’m> getting> > real tired of it. Accept it and find a way to live> on> > even though it’s not the life you chose. No one> here> > wanted this, did we? No, so get on with it the> best> > you can and if a cure happens, then all the> better.> > There, I’ve said it. I haven’t heard this side> of the> > discussion from anyone yet. It needed to be said.> >> > Staying positive and living with a injured spinal> > cord,> >> > Rick> > C3-4 QoV, 20 years post> > Minnesota> >> >> > __> > Do You Yahoo!?> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam> protection around> > http://mail.yahoo.com> >> > River Wolfe> River Wolfe Art Jewelry> (614) 579-6881> Columbus, OH> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> riverwolfeartjewelry.com> > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  

Re: [QUAD-L] Spiders..............

[River Wolfe]

wonderful Eric, did you write that?I'm impressed ;-)RiverOn Jul 11, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Eric W Rudd wrote:  Spiders in the nightCreeping round the wallsNow you'll feel him crawling over youCreepy crawly thingsFilling up your bedSoon you'll feel him crawling through yourBrainYou think he's thereBeware his biteBut when you lookThe spider's not in sightSpiders reappearTaking people's namesEverything is taken down in saneThere's no way outAnd there's no keyBut here's a clueThe spider's really meYou're written in his bookThe spiders won't forgetYou won't forget the spiders in the nightThe end is growing nighEensy weensy friendsThe spider's disappearing from the nightYou think he's goneYou think he's deadThere's no escapeThe spider's in your head   Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Re: [QUAD-L] ?????

[River Wolfe]

I've been wondering the same thing.  I know she had an acting gig  
coming up...


River
On Jul 7, 2006, at 5:51 PM, William Willis wrote:


Anybody heard from Smurfy lately? I miss her.

[QUAD-L] speaking of fakes

[River Wolfe]

Hey everyone,I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list.  At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go.  What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a  chair or pretend to be amputees.  This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered.  I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa.  BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy.  In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled.  They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then"  I simply don't get it.There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee.  Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq.Lets discuss this interesting topic.Peace,River

Re: [QUAD-L] NEW TO LIST, KIND OF.

[River Wolfe]

ROTFL, I laughed so hard at this picture of butt cheeks taped to the rails, tears are running down my CHEEKS...LOLRiverOn Jun 30, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Eric Olson wrote:You don't necessarily have to use the tape method.  You could wedge something in your crack on both sides of the sore to give it some air.  Just make sure the wedges don't cause problems.  Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Eric, My sore is in the crack of my butt cheeks. Air would help it, but I can not imagine taping your butts to the bed rails. I am willing to try anything. The wound doc has us packing it with new gause soaked in clorox solution. What I don't understand is how can it heal up when it's packed?Thanks for the advice.Gayle- Original Message -From: Eric OlsonTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: quadSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW TO LIST, KIND OF.I'm having trouble visualizing where your sore is.  Do you have to actually spread your cheeks to see it?  If so, it might just need some air.  Find a way to keep your cheeks apart while you lie on your side or better yet your stomach.  For hemorrhoid surgery, you lie on your stomach and they tape your butt cheeks to the bed rails to hold them apart.  Careful with the tape if you try that.  Don't want to get sore from the tape.  Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello everyone, My name is Gayle, I am a c-5/c-6 quad, 8yrss. post. I have been lurking on the quad-list for several years now. I have only posted maybe two times, so Iam realitivly new to the list. It is hard for me to type, but good excercise for my arms. I  am fighting a sore in the crack of my butt. It has been there for 3yrs. now. The wound doctor at Shepherd Center say that it is not from pressure. I think it started when I was pulled across the bed with a draw sheet to turn me on my side. I believe the movement from my bowel program(DIGITAL STEM) causes it to stay open. I and my husband are so frustrated with it. We have tried everything. I don't consider surgery a option, because I do not handle being put to sleep well. Now after reading Stacy's post I am truly scared.    I did my rehab at SHEPHED CENTER. It is a geat place. I have a baclophen pump that has made my life so much better. My husband is my caregiver. The company he worked for moved to Germany 2yrs. ago and he stays home with me. I was injured in a car arash, caused by a uninsured drunk driver. On impact my seatbelt broke and my airbag deployed breaking my neck at c2. I was paralyzed by a bleed in my spinal cord. I sued the car company and won a very large amount, which really helps with all the expenses of being a quad. My arm is tired so I must go for now, but I will be back!sincerely,Gayle(48yrs. old)

Re: [QUAD-L] Who lives where?

[River Wolfe]

Columbus, OhI love knowing where everyone lives, you all live in some pretty exciting places!  Las Vegas BABY !!!RiverOn Jun 26, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Paul Jacobson wrote:san diego- Original Message -From: Tim SyfertTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:38 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Who lives where?Las Vegas Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi All, I was wondering if anybody from this list lives near me. I'm in Parsippany   New Jersey, 10 miles from Kessler Institute.  Where do you all live any way?   BobbieYahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come.

Re: [QUAD-L] Ohio the heart of it all

[River Wolfe]

I'm in Columbus ;-)RiverOn Jun 24, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David K. Kelmer wrote:Hi Zeraw, Congratulations on your 21  years.  May you have a long, happy, and healthy life ahead of you! With Love,CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 30 Years PostTexas, USAZeraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Anyone here in Ohio? or Close !! Zeraw T-10 T-11  21YEARS YESTERDAY !!! Weee huh ?

[QUAD-L] NPR healthcare story

[River Wolfe]

NPR just previewed a story that seems to be about a disabled womans  
struggle to receive healthcare services in TN.  4pm EST


or it'll be on their website NPR.org under All Things Considered  
after 4pm EST.



Peace,

River

Re: [QUAD-L] MSNBC.com Article: Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist master...

[River Wolfe]

Hey Dan, sounds like you've been listening to Randi Rhodes ;-)))

BTW, there was an article in the most recent Rolling Stone about a  
guy who had a brain injury while injured in Iraq.  The care he  
received was pretty good while inpatient, but as soon as he went  
home, things fell apart for him.  THere are hundreds of soldiers  
coming home with brain injury because the humvees are armored enough  
to withstand the IED blasts, but no human can withstand that kind of  
impact without their heads taking some kind of trauma.  Such a shame,  
this country knows so little and DOES so little about brain injury.   
Perhaps this will increase funding and knowledge.  I worked with  
survivors of brain injury for many years and that is one disability  
which is very hard to live with and to treat.



Peace,

River
On Jun 19, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Dan wrote:


Stranger still is love of ones' Religion, Country and Autonomy.

I never realized you were such a Fascist! My Country - right or  
wrong eh. And if we're wrong, all the better - bring em on! Fascism  
is what put the likes of Hitler and Mussolini in power and kept  
them there. The people of these countries never questioned their  
Governments. Kill Six million Jews? No problem my leaders are  
ALWAYS right.


And NO country wants to be occupied. Look what happened to the  
British 'Liberation' i.e. Occupation/Empire. And did you know that  
only 1 percent (that's one percent) of ALL Iraqis want us in their  
country! We rank far lower than the insurgents!


How would you react if Russia decided that Bushy posed a threat to  
the world so they instigated a preemptive strike (Shock and Awe)  
killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians and  
destroying our infrastructure while doing so? Then they invaded our  
Country and occupied all of our best and fanciest buildings, so  
they could 'fix up OUR country'? What do you think we would do? Um,  
maybe become insurgents? And perhaps the Canadians and Mexicans  
would join us in becoming resistant fighters as they most likely  
would be next in the eradication of Axis of Evils.


And you can't compare how one country fights another. If you  
remember our war with England, the British marched into battle in  
compact formations while the American liberators hid behind trees  
and rock walls and picked off the British at will. All the while  
the British were saying - what the Hell is wrong with these  
Americans? Don't they know how to fight a proper war? My God, they  
are nothing but heathens.


And what did we do in Vietnam? We couldn't beat them with gun fire  
on the ground so we tried saturation high altitude bombing, That  
didn't work since the people we were fighting were living  
underground which we knew! Then we tried defoliating their forest  
that didn't work again because they were hiding underground. 'What  
the Hell is wrong with these Americans? Don't they know how to  
fight a proper war? My God, they are nothing but heathens.' So then  
we started dropping Napalm - White Phosphorous - Whisky Pete. How  
many innocent men, women, and children were killed by Napalm? This  
stuff sticks to your skin and burns till it's spent. There is no  
way to put it out. It's a horrible way to die. And in the end, we  
got our ass kicked. Today a unified Vietnam is one of our best  
trading partners. 50 thousand plus dead GIs and millions of dead  
Vietnamese. Was all that inhumanity worth it? Oh, I forgot. It was  
Jane Fonda and John Kerrys' fault.


Well, I could go on forever but I am proud to say I'm one of the 70  
percent who believe this preemptive and baseless war was a grave  
mistake that has turned the world against us and I'm afraid we will  
pay dearly for it in the years to come.


I will not post again on this topic. Good night my Fascist friend.  
Oh, by the way, I've met several quads and amps that were injured  
in Iraq and they hate the war and everything about it.


They don't sound like bad guys to me. But it does make this an SCI  
topic.



Dan V


At 01:38 PM 6/17/06 -0500, Tim Thompson said something that  
elicited my response:



Strange thing Freedom
Once one gets a taste, it's more addictive to one's soul than  
drugs. to those who didn't grow up in it through the selfless  
sacrifices of their ancestors  Peolpe forget how many years we  
stayed in Germany and Japan, and we're STILL in S. Korea.
But we now here BS about "quagmire", calling sophmoric  
degradidations torture, claiming we're worse than the beheaders  
and real torturers and comparisons to Vietnam, while all the  
positive news is ignored, like "women voting and holding office in  
an Arab country (that's 2 now).
We gave into liberal propaganda (speaking of the majority of  
public support) during Vietnam, {1] when the "Useful Idiots" like  
hanoi jane and komrade kerry decieved America, we created "no fire  
zones etc, which eliminated any chance of victory and signed a  
cease fire agreemen

Re: [QUAD-L] Health Care

[River Wolfe]

When my dog was really ill he had a great vet student at the university.  When I told the student that I thought he was one of the best Dr's I'd ever encountered, he told me that he originally wanted to be a nurse.  He chose vet school because he felt he would have more interactions with his patients and their families.  HOW TRUE.Peace,River

[QUAD-L] homestead exemption Ohio

[River Wolfe]

I want to thank everyone for bringing this tax credit to light.  Ohio  
does have this program, not a complete exemption, but about a 25%  
reduction.  I received notice today that I qualify.
Not only that but I'm getting a refund for 2005 taxes as well!!  What  
a nice surprise on a Friday afternoon.


Peace,
River

Re: [QUAD-L] uti

[River Wolfe]

correct me if I misunderstood Ray, but it sounds like you're going to the hospital as an outpatient to get the IV?  Sounds like a reasonable treatment to me.  So sorry you are so sick, you must be miserable.Peace,RiverOn Jun 16, 2006, at 3:24 PM, David K. Kelmer wrote:Hi Ray,     And doctors wonder why they get sued so much, and are disliked by most off their patients!     With Love,  CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 30 Years PostTexas, USA  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi everybody, I know everyone gets tired of talking uti's I've done pretty good seeing I've only had a couple in the last couple yrs, anyway this one been hanging on for the last few months just recently got a new urolgist (my old one moved) I explained that oral antibiotics don't work with me but he put me on cipro and macrobid for 14 days twice a day, he had me change my cath half way through so he could check that was about five days after i started! finished today get home and his office had left a message tha! t the re sults show oral antibiotics won't work with this bug but that there is four iv ones that will and wants me to go to hospital to get 10 days of treatments about a hr a day his office said, i'm waiting for the hospital to call so i can schedule my question is dose this sound like standard procedure? Thx Ray c-5 c-6 AZ 5yrs postCheck out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Re: [QUAD-L] MSNBC.com Article: Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind

[River Wolfe]

Whateveh ...On Jun 9, 2006, at 12:22 AM, Jim Lubin wrote: An article from 2004? Stop living in the past. Do you want to dig up every article that talks about what if the Clinton administration had attacked Osama bin Laden when it had a chance then all the thousands of deaths that happened since could have been avoided. Sept 11, 2001 would not have happened if the Clinton administration had acted after the first WTC attack, the USS Cole attack, the US embassies attacked.  At 06:14 PM 6/8/2006, River Wolfe wrote: Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind The Bush administration had several chances to attack and destroy a   suspected terrorist operation with ties to al-Qaida but never pulled   the trigger._ NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/from/ET/  

Re: [QUAD-L] RE: second email to Permobil part 2

[River Wolfe]

I've tried to send this 4 times, sorry Jong Bae for the delayed response.I am amazed at the reckless behavior of both the airlines and the Permobile Co.  If I were you I would hire an attorney and fight for everything you can.  I hope to he*l you have the resources to hire someone good.I'm sure the parties involved are counting on you NOt being able to defend your safety and dignity. I am also amazed at US, those of us who live this life.  We put up with so frigginging much just to make it through an ordinary day.  Sure some days are easy, but some seem like the most trying ever.  If we try to explain our travails to others, they reply with "oh I know ho you feel" really?  It's wonderful to have this list.  We all know exactly how you feel Jong Bae, perhaps we haven't been in those same circumstances,but we've been close enough.We are truly extraordinary humans.Peace,River

[QUAD-L] MSNBC.com Article: Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind

[River Wolfe]

Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind
The Bush administration had several chances to attack and destroy a  
suspected terrorist operation with ties to al-Qaida but never pulled  
the trigger._ NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/from/ET/

Re: [QUAD-L] About life and length of time as a quad

[River Wolfe]

Yes, Bobbie I do.  My experience is on the flip side of that though.  When I tell people I had a hiking accident, people tend to feel VERY bad for me, since hiking is seen as rugged and outdoorsy, and I'm not likely to be "rugged and outdoorsy" again ;-)River  When I tell people who ask me "how did you have your accident"? "that I was on a motorcycle learning to do jumps" they say things like "Well you asked for it"  I think that even quads among us have a "thing" for people who become a quad by their own doing and other's who had a "true" accident.  Do you know what I mean everybody?   Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] The Bone Collector coming on tonight

[River Wolfe]

I've never read them but there is a whole series of detective stories about this guy.On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:54 PM, KK Batte wrote:I like this story.KKThe Bone Collector (1999)USA Jun 06 08:00pm Add to My CalendarMovies, 155 Mins.**+ (Rated R)A quadriplegic detective and a patrol cop try to catch a killer re-creating grisly crimes. Based on the book by Jeffery Deaver.Cast: Denzel Washington, Angelina Jolie, Queen Latifah, Michael Rooker, Mike McGlone, Luis Guzman, Leland Orser, John Benjamin Hickey, Bobby Cannavale, Ed O'Neill, Larry Day.Director(s): Phillip Noyce.Producer(s): Michael Klawitter, Dan Jinks, Michael S. Bregman, Martin Bregman, Louis A. Stroller.Writer(s): jeffrey Deaver , Jeremy Iacone.Distribution: Universal Pictures Future Airings:The Bone Collector (1999), USA Jun 07 03:30pmKK All horses are run aways. 

Re: [QUAD-L] About life and length of time as a quad

[River Wolfe]

How about a count of all Complete injuries.  My cord, like Dan's was also completely severed.RiverThat is no exception  W  I have read books and stories of many INCOMPLETES getting partially to totally well again. BUT NEVER read of any COMPLETES-- I am a complete, my spine and spinal cord were completely SEVERED at c-6  Dan H.

[QUAD-L] medicaid info

[River Wolfe]

  Hi all,I thought those of you on Medicaid might want to know this information:The Deficit Reduction Act, which was signed by the President on February 8th, contains a provision that would require all citizens applying for Medicaid or renewing their coverage to produce a passport or birth certificate to prove they are U.S. citizens.  There would be no exceptions for any Medicaid applicants or beneficiaries, not even individuals with severe physical or mental impairments such as Alzheimer’s disease.This new requirement, which a recent study by the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services shows to be unnecessary, would almost certainly create significant enrollment barriers for millions of low-income citizens who meet all Medicaid eligibility requirements.  It also would increase Medicaid administrative costs.  (For a discussion of these issues, see Leighton Ku and Donna Cohen Ross, “New Medicaid Requirement Is Unnecessary and Could Impede Citizens’ Coverage and Policy Priorities,” revised January 4, 2006.)This analysis provides estimates of the number of Medicaid beneficiaries in each state who would be required to submit a passport or birth certificate between July 2006 (when the new requirement would take effect) and June 2007, and who would be cut off Medicaid if they are unable to do so.Analyses of Census data and Medicaid administrative data indicate that about ­­­49 million native-born U.S. citizens and two million naturalized citizens were enrolled in Medicaid over the course of the year in 2003.  (Fewer than 4 million legal immigrants also participated.)  Thus, about 49 million people would be required to submit birth certificates or passports or lose their Medicaid coverage.  (The two million beneficiaries who are naturalized citizens would be allowed to submit naturalization documents.)Once they took effect on July 1, 2006, these new requirements would apply to all applications or redeterminations of eligibility that occurred after that date, without any exceptions even for people who are extremely old or have severe physical or mental impairments, such as Alzheimer’s disease.  In the following six to twelve months after July 1, 2006, states would have to check citizenship documents for more than 50 million beneficiaries.  This would constitute a significant new administrative burden for state and local agencies.The New Documentation RequirementUnder Section 6037 of the conference agreement on the budget reconciliation bill, states would have to require all current and new Medicaid beneficiaries applying as citizens to provide proof of their citizenship.  The primary forms of documentation acceptable would be either a passport or a birth certificate presented in conjunction with proof of identity such as a driver’s license.   For people who are naturalized citizens, naturalization papers also would be accepted.  (The Secretary of HHS would be permitted to specify other acceptable forms of documentation, but the only forms of documentation the Secretary could allow would be forms of documentation that are issued solely to citizens and for which proof of citizenship must be provided.  This essentially means that native-born citizens would have to produce birth certificates or passports.)The documentation requirements would take effect July 1, 2006 and would be required when people apply for benefits or, for current beneficiaries, at recertification.  Since certification periods typically are six months, most of this burden will fall between July and December 2006, although some certification periods last 12 months.In 16 states, the number of Medicaid beneficiaries who would be required to submit this new paperwork would exceed one million.If as little as two percent of Medicaid beneficiaries cannot readily come up with a birth certificate or passport, one million low-income Americans could lose Medicaid coverage and become uninsured or be delayed in obtaining coverage.  The percentage of U.S. citizen beneficiaries who are unable to produce readily a birth certificate or passport may well be much larger than that.The Medicaid program already has extensive requirements to check the immigration status of non-citizens who apply for Medicaid.  Non-citizen applicants must provide documentation of their immigration status, and state officials check computerized federal records to verify that status.  The new requirement would apply only to people applying for Medicaid as U.S. citizens.Most states currently allow citizen applicants to self-attest, under penalty of perjury, that they are citizens.  Most states then ask for proof of citizenship if they have any reason to question the applicant’s truthfulness.  A comprehensive study issued by the HHS Office of the Inspector General (OIG) last year found no substantial evidence that illegal immigrants were claiming to be citizens and successfully enrolling in Medicaid, and OIG did not recommend requiring all applicants to provide docume

Re: [QUAD-L] How many collective years of SCI do we have here?

[River Wolfe]

On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:31 AM, Ray wrote: I was curious just a few days ago of how many collective SCI years arerepresented here on the list.  Please reply to the list with your name andhow long you have been enjoying these special challenges we all have been dealt. Add your name years and update the total... Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]   39 years Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED]   9Lori [EMAIL PROTECTED]26 yrsRay.T [EMAIL PROTECTED]    11 yrs.   Total 85 yrs.  river [EMAIL PROTECTED]	20 yrstotal	105 yrs	 

Re: [QUAD-L] fractured femur

[River Wolfe]

Well, I was kinda embarassed to mention it since it was only 12 wks ago that I broke my tibia on the left side.  Both accidents were due to my German shepard pup (86 lbs 1 yr old) pulling me out of the chair.  Did I learn my lesson?  yes, I wear my seatbelt ALL OF THE TIME NOW.  BTW, he's in SD training too.no mention of the bone growth stimulator yet.  Also, the FX was a tiny bit displaced and about 1/8 distance between the bone in the FX, not sure why he never set it  it's 2 1/2 inches above my knee.RiverOn May 31, 2006, at 9:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I must have missed that posting River.  What happened? Have they consider using am electric stim to promote bone growth, or not.  Keep us up, ok W       In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:11:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in a   brace that locks and I have it pretty snug on my thigh.  Ideally, it   would be extended straight out all of the time.  That's just not   practical for me, WC has no foot rest for this and I couldn't get around at   all.  THere is some bone growth at the tip of the break after 6   wks.  Sloow it goes.   I'm not transferring into   the van seat to drive, that's pretty hard on the leg.  No driving is a   real PIA. River   

[QUAD-L] fractured femur

[River Wolfe]

I'm in a brace that locks and I have it pretty snug on my thigh.  Ideally, it would be extended straight out all of the time.  That's just not practical for me, WC has no foot rest for this and I couldn't get around at all.  THere is some bone growth at the tip of the break after 6 wks.  Sloow it goes.   I'm not transferring into the van seat to drive, that's pretty hard on the leg.  No driving is a real PIA.RiverOn May 31, 2006, at 4:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The words after Dana were a mistake , Dragon wrote them.

[QUAD-L] Pot

[River Wolfe]

For all of you who helped with this question, thanks alot !!!  As it  
turns out My orthopedist feels that the muscle spasms in my quad  
aren't hurting anything the progress of my fracture.

The leg is coming along, albeit very slowly.

Peace,

River

Re: [QUAD-L] Prayers for Stacy

[River Wolfe]

I've heard wonderful things about this Miracle Mist spray and have ordered some for myself.  I've had a few pimples on my bottom, they've healed up pretty good but I don't want to take any chances.  On New Mobility's website and CareCure ( I think) there are some real success stories about this stuff.http://healthylifeandtimes.com/miraclemist/wound.htmlI think we've discussed it before on this list as well.  BTW if anyone has used it and can report it's results, let us know.  I will also let everyone know how I like it.River ( left femur healing, but very slowly)On May 30, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Stacy Harim wrote:He said that he isnt going to use skin from anywhere else because he's moving everything up.   He's the professional, I don't get it.  I do know it’s a big incision for a little sore.  I wish I knew inches to tell you.  A nice size v and then a straight line towards my knee. I'm going to stick with the roho for quite a long time before I decide on anything more low profile.  I saw a few that roho makes.  It hasn't gotten any worse since I did finally get it, only the sore took off and deepened twice as much in one day of school.  I wasn't up that long.  It was a hot day though.  I just don't get as much as I stay off of it why it won't heal.  It is getting a little better but at a snails pace and I'm in so much pain there isn't one pain medication  out there that works. So my last resort is here.  I'm kinda mad at myself for not going through with this earlier because now finally the weather hits over 70.  But can't take back time, just hope I heal as fast as he said I would.  I just worry about how weak I am going to be after its all said and done with but I will cross that bridge when I get to it. Oh, I am will be in Peninsula Regional Medical Center in Salisbury MD.  It's so much better than the one near me so I'd rather get my care there.  It's rated one of the top 100 hospitals in the country so I hope they live up to it. Thanks for the prayers everyone, Stacy- Original Message -From: Lori MichaelsonTo: Stacy Harim ; QuadSent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:39 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Prayers for StacyThe two WORST sores that I have had in my 26 years of being a quad ... have been in the last 4 1/2 years.  And by process of elimination ... my most recent one [summer of 2004] quadrupled in size almost overnight but began because of moisture "down there." Once they get started they are almost like wildfires in the desert.  We tried absolutely everything.  And it refused to respond to anything. The first one [summer of 2001] that I had began as a tiny pimple on the back of my thigh!  We were traveling cross-country to move here to Tucson.  My husband was keeping an eye on it the entire time.  It stayed stable.  After we settled in, it began to get worse and before I knew it  I was bedridden.  I move to a 60% drier climate ... and I get sores caused by moisture!  Go figure! And I do not know whether it is aging, or what, but my skin does not want to heal like it did years ago.  Wait a minute ... I just remembered that my first sore began by being "yeast" but since there was no odor and no other signs of "yeast" ... the home health agency nurses treated it as a decubitus ulcer and actually made it worse by doing so!  When we were at our wits end ... we sent a wild close-up digital photo of the deep sore to my doctor and she said that it looked like "yeast" and to go ahead and put it yeast cream DIRECTLY on the wound.  Even though the home health agency nurse were shaking her head no. After we did that ... it cleared up pretty quickly.  After months of listening to the home health "experts" ... it all could have been avoided.  But, of course, we cannot dwell on what has happened.  It only makes us wiser [we hope] for future problems. You have probably seen that my most recent dilemma was those huge bladder stones.  I was so nervous to go into the hospital to have such a procedure done.  But I had so many friends and family as well as many church friends who gave me individual blessings ... then I came out the same day as if I never had any surgery done whatsoever. So I will be praying for you and sending you vibes to calm your fears.  It was not until recently that I began to believe in the power of strong meditation for myself or others.  It is a fact that can not destroy "energy" so I believe that is part of what works.  I have heard people talk about flap surgery for a long time now and often times used as a last resort.  The thing that I wonder about is that if they are going to "remove skin" from another part of the body ... what is to say that that procedure will not encourage breakdown in THAT area as well?  no matter how much or how little they remove. I can't remember if you said or not ... what state and what hospital will you be going into? Lori C4/5 CompleteTucson, AZAGE - 41 ---Original Message--- From: Stacy HarimDate: 05/29/06 15:16:11To: Quad-List@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subj

Re: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-Buffet Restaurants

[River Wolfe]

Nothing bothers me more than to see people who are very overweight park in the HC spot.  Contrary to your experience W, usually they have a smoke before exiting the vehicle, or before exiting the spot.  I know I shouldn't judge people, but this is a hard one for me.  Perhaps because I have spent all of my life fighting my weight.  The concern for being overweight very rarely leaves my thoughts.  Being in a chair only magnifies the concern. So seeing someone, who deigns to let themselves get so overweight really brings up my ire and resentment. When I used a manual chair I would park far away, simply to get the exercise.  Now I use the HC spots because of the extra space for my lift.  Also, I admit, so that others who so often abuse the spots CAN'T park there.  When only my partner is going to the store, she parks in a regular spot and I wait in the van.God but I LOVE a great Indian buffet ;-))RiverOn May 26, 2006, at 12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I have always tried to stay away from Buffet Restaurants, because they are nice ... but so are hog pens, lol.   Recently, I had/made the opportunity to visit the Old Country Buffet and see all I had missed over the years and believe me, it was truly an experience in human nature.   I watched several vehicle rushing thru the parking lots and pull into ADA parking spaces.  Out popped several people who were in my estimation, morbidly obese.  The placard was placed on the mirror and the occupants tried to exit that vehicle like hugh turtles in heat. They wiggled and waggled, some in walkers, because there was no way they could support their own weight just walking.  Instead of choosing a parking spot at the rear of the parking lot so they could work up an appetite before eating, they chose the closest spot to the front door of the Buffet.  It was quite a sight, not to be missed.  They entered the Buffet, paid their monies and didn't wait to be escorted to their table by the waitress, choosing instead to head directly to the feeding troughs for the night's treats.  I only thought waiters and waitress could carry multiple plates at the same time.  With this group, it was an artform.  They managed two plates that were not packed with veggies and fruits, but rather shrimp and ribs. They also managed to carry a tall glass of non-diet beverage of Coke or Pepsi, so they wouldn't have to make two trips and have more time for eating. When they sat at their tables, they didn't say much to each other during their stay.  They knew what they were there for and tried to make the most of the special dinner rates for the evening.  During the course of the evening, they each made several more trips to the troughs and each time returned with enough food to feed the average family.  Again, I didn't notice any of the healthy foods like salad, greens, fruits or tufo.   Keep in mind, I'm really enjoying my green salad with plenty of lettuce, carrots, radishes, sprouts, mushroom slices and sunflower seeds.  Oh, and plenty of Ranch Dressing. I drank water.   I also seem to notice that many of the those who were present for the dinner special that evening were candidates for the health club instead of the feeding troughs.  I didn't realize that they were actually trying to eat more food and accessories, then they paid for.  And the food kept on coming out.  Ofcourse, you had to be there to enjoy this experience.  I'm sure, that I was the only person who the restaurant made money off my brief experience there that evening.  After dinner of greens, corn and water, I was stuff'd.  I had to loosen my belt, lol.   The pack at the other table were only getting ready for the next course... dessert.  Once again, it was an amazing feat to watch a group of people who just finish eating enough unhealthy food to feed the average nursing home, find their way to the dessert table and carry two plates and a bowl each back to their table. What do people who I presume are morbidly obese eat for dessert?  I share with you what I saw.  Cherry cobbler, Peach cobbler, Blueberry cobbler, cookies, ice cream with an assortment of sprinkles hot fudge pour'd over a brownie mix, and two different flavors of pudding, banana and chocolate.   Ok, so what is the point of this little story?   I'm guessing that this is a regular event for these people as they knew where to go for everything.  I would not have been too surprised to enter the washroom and find anyone of these people using the H/C stall, instead of a regular stall.  Why?  Usually the regular stalls are about 36 inches wide.  These people I viewed, were much wider than the maximum stall. That 36 inch wide door on the H/C stall would have test the limits of stress of them squeezing into the stall.   One thing I must about these people is they didn't smoke, and that is good.  Then maybe for the price of a pack of cigarettes, these days, they could pay for an entire nite of eating and dessert.   Maybe these explains alot of what I'm reading in the newsp

[QUAD-L] a new one

[River Wolfe]

This is hilarious


 Subject: Fw: Brokeback Mountain

A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife.   
She was
a very good-looking woman, and determined to keep the ranch, but  
knew very
little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the  
newspaper for a

ranch hand.

She decided to hire a gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him
around the house. He proved to be a hard worker who put in long  
hours every
day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them  
worked, and

the ranch
was doing very well.

Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, "You have  
done a

really good job, and the ranch looks
great. You should go into town and kick up your heels." The hired hand
readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night.

One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock, and  
no hired
hand. He returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he  
found
the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine,  
waiting

for him.
She quietly called him over to her. Unbutton my blouse and take it  
off,"

she said. Trembling, he did as she directed.
"Now take off my boots." He did as she asked, ever so slowly.  "Now  
take
off my socks." He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her  
boots.
Now take off my skirt." He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly  
watching her

eyes in the fire light.  "Now take off my bra." Again, with trembling
hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor. "Now,"  
she said,
"take off my panties." By the light of the fire, he slowly pulled  
them down

and off.

Then she looked at him and said, "If you ever wear my clothes into  
town

again, you're fired."

Re: [QUAD-L] Question for the group

[River Wolfe]

I'm famous in these part for my "hostile glare" at anyone I feel is  
encroaching upon my territory in the restroom.  ;-


River
On May 24, 2006, at 11:09 PM, RONALD L PRACHT wrote:


Hey,
What do you guys do when you enter a restroom and their are several  
stalls but a walking Joe is in the handicapped stall. This forces  
you to wait awhile, then the Joe walks out of the stall finally, do  
you guys say something, stare him or her down, or let it go. When I  
let it go I feel like I am letting disabled individuals as a whole  
down.


Ron

Re: [QUAD-L] marijuana

[River Wolfe]

Thanks everyone for your responses.  Can someone tell me how long the  
effects last after use? also how much do you need?


Peace,
River
On May 10, 2006, at 10:28 AM, River Wolfe wrote:

Has anyone tried to reduce their spasms with marijuana?  I've heard  
that it works for some people, just curious.


River

[QUAD-L] marijuana

[River Wolfe]

Has anyone tried to reduce their spasms with marijuana?  I've heard  
that it works for some people, just curious.


River

Re: [QUAD-L] Scorpion

[River Wolfe]

Argggh...I don't know about the rest of you, but I find myself especially afraid of insects like spiders and scorpions because I can't quickly get away from them.  anyone else feel this way?RiverOn May 9, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Lori Michaelson wrote:     Been here 5 yrs and haven't seen one yet thank god.  And we don't spray.  This email will prolly make it happen w/ my luck.  LOL   Lori ---Original Message---    From: Greg Date: 05/09/06 11:36:31 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Scorpion   I love the move we made to AZ, but we now have found our fifth scorpion. 1 in the house, right next to me. It stung the dog, but she was ok. All were the very small Bark Scorpion, the more poisonous of the local ones. The others were on the wall of the house and in the yard. The last was on the underside of the yard umbrella when we opened it up. We have the house and yard sprayed, but they are hard to get rid of. They just “keep us on our toes”. Greg    

Re: [QUAD-L] need help

[River Wolfe]

See your Dr.

River
On May 8, 2006, at 6:43 AM, William Willis wrote:

For about the past week I have had great difficulty cathing. It  
goes in about half way and then stops. It takes several efforts and  
some pushing to make it enter my bladder. I don't have an infection  
and only occasional pain. The pain is worst when I first get up in  
the morning. It is reaching a serious point. Anybody have any  
suggestions? Thanks.

[QUAD-L] Living On The Edge- slippery slope

[River Wolfe]

Like the topic of sex, it seems we always come back to talking about
relationships and isolation.  Personally I am reluctant to ask people
to come over or hang out, my house is always a mess !! with 2 artists
living here it gets pretty cluttered.  For example right now there's
a belt sander in the living room a huge bucket of gesso, a box of
wood strips to be painted, sawdust all over everything.  I digress.

I also am reluctant to ask folks out for the fear of rejection, been
there and really hate that.  That's just not fair to the other person
though, you're not giving them any choice to say no, or another time
would be better.  I think we experience rejection all of the time,
whether you realize it or not.  No representation in the movies, TV,
general public etc...being left out leads to feelings of rejection by
society and leads to isolation.  Soo it takes some hutzpa and a
good does of self-confidence to put oneself out there.  Personally, I
am pretty lazy about,  that I have my partner and two close friends
who would do anything for me,  and vice versa I don't have the time
or energy for anyone else at this point.

Funny story

When I fell out of my chair, or should I say my 100lb german shepherd
puppy pulled me out of my chair; I was in front of Petsmart and some
people (2-3) took notice but others just walked right by !!!  My
partner had to flag someone down
to help her pick me up UNBELIEVABLE!!!

River


On May 4, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Robert Brennan wrote:



Funny hey,but sad in the same context. I have 9 brothers and 5
sisters. Before my spinal injury,if it was happening it was
happening at my house most weekends,sometimes even longer. If
somebody needed numbers i was number 1. Hmm,wonder how they are
these days although 1 bro' has stuck by me and,he will go to
extremes for me. Thanks.

  Rob.

[QUAD-L] life expectancy for USA

[River Wolfe]

interesting...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Re: [QUAD-L] Sower Chairs

[River Wolfe]

What about  a chair with a transfer bench?like this:http://secure.srginc.biz/uploads/prod_1925_1075750815.jpgRIverOn Apr 27, 2006, at 5:19 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I need a shower chair without so big a hole...when Hubby uses slide board to transfer it falls in the hole.  Anyone know where I can find one like this or have any ideas.Carolyn,c2/3 since 1963

Re: [QUAD-L] change of subject...sore

[River Wolfe]

Dana,I completely agree with you.  People have no idea what those of us with disabilities go through just to get our basic health care needs met.  I know if I didn't have a constant helper while nursing my broken leg/foot, I wouldn't heal as I should.  The fact that Stacy can't get a cushion paid for and none of us can get shower chairs paid for is absolutely ridiculous.  If I didn't have a shower chair...lets see how long it would be before I needed major antibiotic intervention.Unlike others on the list I believe Mr. Moore's treatment of the subject will be worthwhile and done with respect.  I really didn't want to start anything by expressing my views,  but there you have it.Peace,RiverOn Apr 23, 2006, at 3:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would be a good story to tell if Michael Moore' s idea has any legitimacy.  I have no idea of course.  Stories like this need to get out about Medicare and the pain and suffering their policies cause to persons with disabilities.     What does anybody else think?     DanaResent-From: quad-list@eskimo.comFrom: Eric Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: April 23, 2006 3:18:00 PM EDTTo: Stacy Harim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] change of subject...sore Stacy,  I know this doesn't help with your sore, but I really admire you, among others on the list, for your willingness to carry on even faced with such challenges.    Eric   Stacy Harim wrote: Wow, mine was close to the ishiam bone pretty deep but tunneled.  It's really narrow.  It's not from lack of care though.  I had it treated since it was tiny but it kept getting more narrow and more deep.  Tried the wound vac a couple of times, had it opened up and it healed to the point of where it started.  Narrow and deep.  It is beginning to fill in a little bit finally, but so slow so I figure just take care of it.     Sad thing is that this all started because Medicare wouldn't cover a gel overlay for my j2 cushion that didn't even cost 200 bucks and now they are in the thousands deep with me.  Pretty crazy.     Stacy  - Original Message - From:Robert Brennan To:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:15 AMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Need AdviceHow does bone deep sound? They actually  performed surgery on 2 during same operation.They were massive in size as well. Hip and buttock have healed well,but i have been in bed waiting for my chair. Red tape sucks hey.   Rob.Stacy Harim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Yes it makes sense, plus I think if you are out then there is a less chance of spastisity.  I want to be knocked out.  I'm sure it's a time consuming surgery and I'd like to sleep through it. LOL.  I'm glad to hear your success because I am quite nervous.  How deep was your sore to begin with?     Stacy  - Original Message - From:Robert Brennan To:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:58 AMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Need AdviceI healed in about 4 weeks post op.Yes,my muscle needed to be shifted from thigh region to buttock.It was major surgery with success.Also,i asked to not go under aenesthetic but was denied because of positioning during surgery.  Make sense?    Rob.Stacy Harim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:How long did it take you to heal?  Is rotation flap the muscle as well?     Stacy  - Original Message - From:Robert Brennan To:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:58 AMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Need AdviceI had a rotation flap done last August. Good luck.   Rob.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.comSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com   

Re: [QUAD-L] HOME EMPLOYMENT

[River Wolfe]

To he who speaks in riddles:Now travel agents are a very good source for employment, when properly trained.HUH?River

Re: [QUAD-L] broken leg Dr. wrong?

[River Wolfe]

My primary sent me to an ortho, he's the one who put the soft cast on the leg etc...I have no issues with him.  I have issues with the primary who dropped the ball 3 times.  I thought that was clear in my original post.Anyway, can you tell me what you took for osteoporosis?  My concerns were exactly the ones you mentioned.Thanks for the dialogue!ROn Apr 17, 2006, at 5:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Then again, you know what they call the worst doctor to graduate medical school?   Doctor!   I get those tiny fractures from the way the bones deformed after the accident when I broke my neck. Actually,, the broken neck was only one of many things broken. A lot of the bones didn't and won't heal right. I have had a few operations to remove bone growing through the skin and to refit screws and hardware. I thought the soft cast was a given. I didn't imagine you not getting a velcrow leg splint and told to immobilize it etc. It hadn't occured to me your doctor just kissed it and told you it'l be ok. I thought you were upset over her lack of enthusiasm. I really thought she splinted it and warneed you about the circulatory problems.  You might ask her if she's too busy to see you since she's obviously hasn't the time to think about your case. I thought you meant your doctor was busy, not stupid, I you were right. I took a drug that was meant to help heal the osteoperosis and stop the decalcification, it led to bone spurs growning faster and bladder stones forming fast.   john  In a message dated 4/16/2006 7:39:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   On Apr 15, 2006, at 8:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:    is little any doctor can do that will improve how it heals.  That's simply not true.  My ortho put a soft cast on it and wants me to elevate as much as possible.  Plus the was concern about a blood clot in the beginning. I like doctors that are brutally honest.  Me too, I would have preferred honesty to what seemed to me to be neglectful.    You do need to improve communications with your doctors.  It is very difficult to speak with her by simply calling the office.  She ignored my call to her cell when she was on call.  To anyone reading this, our bones are often like chalk.  They have medicines now that will actually promote new bone growth.  No one told me about that until I saw this new DR. and questioned her about the osteoporosis.  She then READ MY CHART (imagine that) and saw that 3 yrs ago  my arthiritis DR ( I also have rheumatoid) recommended a full osteoporosis workup.  Old Dr. never mentioned it.   They break very easily and prevention is the only way to address the problem. I have actual "foot" plates that protect my toes from hooking on corners and twisting my legs. Where did you get those?    I know how frustrating it is but ask your doctor for something for the anxiety, calm down.   That's not really an issue for me, maybe my partner...she hates seeing me get hurt and the treatment by the DR really upset her.   These hurdles can help develope a better relationship with your doctor.  That's a stretch for me to consider.  I do like her as a person and think I have mentioned how happy I am with her on this list.  But the other DR has mentioned several concerns she has about my bloodwork and now the Osteoporosis, that the old DR never mentioned.    Peace,  River  john C-5 complete, post 30 years.    In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:25:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Hi everyone,  I'll try to keep this short. I recently broke my leg and 4th metatarsal. I didn't know I had broken them until two or three days after it happened. My foot was black and blue and my leg was swollen more than usual. I called my Dr. and she fit me in that day. She saw my leg and sent me to have an x-ray and venous doppler (blod clot test) that afternoon. I had both tests and was released. I asked about the x-ray and was informed that since my Dr. hadn't ordered a "wet read" the results would be sent to her in 3-5 days. I was a bit puzzled - what if my leg was broken? I was told that the x-ray wouldn't be read that night. The doppler was negative. I went home and thought maybe the Dr. would hear the results if it was broken but no one called me that night. The next day I called the Dr. on call (before the practice opened) and it was my Dr. I left a msg on her cell about what had happened. It was her day off that day. She never called me and again I was puzzled but assumed that it was ok since I heard from no one. But in the back of my mind I knew something had to be wrong for my leg to so swollen and my foot so bruised. Next day I called as soon as the practice opened and was put through to my Dr's nurse who told em I had a spiral fx of the distal tibia and 4th metatarsal. I about flipped!  she put the Dr. on the phone and I was polite but very upset. She was apologetic and tried to blame the x-ray staff until I told her what they had told me about her orders. She then admit

Re: [QUAD-L] broken leg Dr. wrong?

[River Wolfe]

On Apr 15, 2006, at 8:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   is little any doctor can do that will improve how it heals.That's simply not true.  My ortho put a soft cast on it and wants me to elevate as much as possible.  Plus the was concern about a blood clot in the beginning. I like doctors that are brutally honest.Me too, I would have preferred honesty to what seemed to me to be neglectful. You do need to improve communications with your doctors.It is very difficult to speak with her by simply calling the office.  She ignored my call to her cell when she was on call.   To anyone reading this, our bones are often like chalk. They have medicines now that will actually promote new bone growth.  No one told me about that until I saw this new DR. and questioned her about the osteoporosis.  She then READ MY CHART (imagine that) and saw that 3 yrs ago my arthiritis DR ( I also have rheumatoid) recommended a full osteoporosis workup.  Old Dr. never mentioned it.They break very easily and prevention is the only way to address the problem. I have actual "foot" plates that protect my toes from hooking on corners and twisting my legs.Where did you get those? I know how frustrating it is but ask your doctor for something for the anxiety, calm down. That's not really an issue for me, maybe my partner...she hates seeing me get hurt and the treatment by the DR really upset her. These hurdles can help develope a better relationship with your doctor. That's a stretch for me to consider.  I do like her as a person and think I have mentioned how happy I am with her on this list.  But the other DR has mentioned several concerns she has about my bloodwork and now the Osteoporosis, that the old DR never mentioned.  Peace,River   john C-5 complete, post 30 years.    In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:25:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Hi everyone,  I'll try to keep this short. I recently broke my leg and 4th metatarsal. I didn't know I had broken them until two or three days after it happened. My foot was black and blue and my leg was swollen more than usual. I called my Dr. and she fit me in that day. She saw my leg and sent me to have an x-ray and venous doppler (blod clot test) that afternoon. I had both tests and was released. I asked about the x-ray and was informed that since my Dr. hadn't ordered a "wet read" the results would be sent to her in 3-5 days. I was a bit puzzled - what if my leg was broken? I was told that the x-ray wouldn't be read that night. The doppler was negative. I went home and thought maybe the Dr. would hear the results if it was broken but no one called me that night. The next day I called the Dr. on call (before the practice opened) and it was my Dr. I left a msg on her cell about what had happened. It was her day off that day. She never called me and again I was puzzled but assumed that it was ok since I heard from no one. But in the back of my mind I knew something had to be wrong for my leg to so swollen and my foot so bruised. Next day I called as soon as the practice opened and was put through to my Dr's nurse who told em I had a spiral fx of the distal tibia and 4th metatarsal. I about flipped!  she put the Dr. on the phone and I was polite but very upset. She was apologetic and tried to blame the x-ray staff until I told her what they had told me about her orders. She then admitted she should've ordered a "wet read" but asssumed if it was broken they would page her anyway. I asked her about the msg I sent her on her cell and she flat out admitted she "forgot all about it".   Needless to say folks I was fuming and upset. Then guess what happened next??? Dr. said she would schedule me with an orthopod and call me back within the hour. I got a call back from the nurse and she told me I had an appt in 5 days!!! I flipped again and the nurse said "it's only a small fx". To which I replied that I wanted the Dr. to call me back immediately. The Dr. was very quiet on the phone and said she would find an appt for that day, which she did.  Folks I had some stressful nights deciding whether to return to this Dr, or find another one at another practice, or stay in the practice with another Dr. who I have seen on several occasions. I decided to make an appt with the Dr. I had seen on several occasions and request that she become my primary. I just couldn't return to the Dr. that made not one but THREE mistakes. So I saw the other Dr. who is "good friends" with the old Dr. She was a bit defensive for her friend and collegue but agreed to check with the manager to see if she can be my primary.  Two days later I received a call from the practice manager who said that I cannot change Dr's. It's against the practice by-laws. I was pretty upset but polite. Why was it I who was being punished for something I did not do? I explained that I'm a paraplegic and have been with the practice over 4 years and it's really difficult for me to change primary care Dr's for continuity purposes. That by

[QUAD-L] broken leg Dr. wrong?

[River Wolfe]

Hi everyone,I'll try to keep this short. I recently broke my leg and 4th metatarsal. I didn't know I had broken them until two or three days after it happened. My foot was black and blue and my leg was swollen more than usual. I called my Dr. and she fit me in that day. She saw my leg and sent me to have an x-ray and venous doppler (blod clot test) that afternoon. I had both tests and was released. I asked about the x-ray and was informed that since my Dr. hadn't ordered a "wet read" the results would be sent to her in 3-5 days. I was a bit puzzled - what if my leg was broken? I was told that the x-ray wouldn't be read that night. The doppler was negative. I went home and thought maybe the Dr. would hear the results if it was broken but no one called me that night. The next day I called the Dr. on call (before the practice opened) and it was my Dr. I left a msg on her cell about what had happened. It was her day off that day. She never called me and again I was puzzled but assumed that it was ok since I heard from no one. But in the back of my mind I knew something had to be wrong for my leg to so swollen and my foot so bruised. Next day I called as soon as the practice opened and was put through to my Dr's nurse who told em I had a spiral fx of the distal tibia and 4th metatarsal. I about flipped! she put the Dr. on the phone and I was polite but very upset. She was apologetic and tried to blame the x-ray staff until I told her what they had told me about her orders. She then admitted she should've ordered a "wet read" but asssumed if it was broken they would page her anyway. I asked her about the msg I sent her on her cell and she flat out admitted she "forgot all about it". Needless to say folks I was fuming and upset. Then guess what happened next??? Dr. said she would schedule me with an orthopod and call me back within the hour. I got a call back from the nurse and she told me I had an appt in 5 days!!! I flipped again and the nurse said "it's only a small fx". To which I replied that I wanted the Dr. to call me back immediately. The Dr. was very quiet on the phone and said she would find an appt for that day, which she did.Folks I had some stressful nights deciding whether to return to this Dr, or find another one at another practice, or stay in the practice with another Dr. who I have seen on several occasions. I decided to make an appt with the Dr. I had seen on several occasions and request that she become my primary. I just couldn't return to the Dr. that made not one but THREE mistakes. So I saw the other Dr. who is "good friends" with the old Dr. She was a bit defensive for her friend and collegue but agreed to check with the manager to see if she can be my primary.Two days later I received a call from the practice manager who said that I cannot change Dr's. It's against the practice by-laws. I was pretty upset but polite. Why was it I who was being punished for something I did not do? I explained that I'm a paraplegic and have been with the practice over 4 years and it's really difficult for me to change primary care Dr's for continuity purposes. That by staying in the practice it made it much easier for me. I like the office staff I really like the Dr. who screwed up, but perhaps she's too busy for the complex needs I have. She insisted that they follow practice guidelines. I begged her to speak to the Dr. who made the mistake before she makes a decision and that perhaps this time they could bend the rules?She said she would call me on Monday after speaking to my old primary. The Dr. I want to be my new primary told me that the other Dr. said she would be surprised if I returned to the practice at all. After speaking with the office manager I don't want to go back. Why would any practice do this sort of thing ? I understand the "no compete clause" but this is a special circumstance. The old primary's caseload is full-she's not accepting new patients, her overflow goes to the Dr. I want to take over. I just don't see the problem.I need some input !!!Thanks,River

Re: [QUAD-L] Never Ending Bowel Program

[River Wolfe]

Hello and welcome!If, as you say "she's tearing me up"  then that could be part of the problem.  Perhaps the stool isn't coming down because you have bleeding tissue inside your rectum.  For me the less stim the better, but I'm also able to bear down by breathing hard too.This is probably the single most frustrating and uncomfortable aspect of life in a chair, at least it is for me.Peace,RiverO.K. Guys,     This is my first real post. My bowel program used to take about an hour with dig-stim every 5 min. I've since then had to change attendants and sometimes now it lasts up to three hours now! My procedure is as follows:     (Metamucil every morning/night, stool softner morning/night, 4 senekot evening before program     1. Magic Bullet in bed and stretch/wait 10 min.2. Hot Water to drink  3. transfer to shower chair over commode  4. attendant dig-stim. every 5 min till done (sometimes 3 hours)  5. Few accidents, but she's rippin me up!     What can I do to speed up process? Changes I can make? Things to try? Any suggestions would help tremendously     Steve 

Re: [QUAD-L] Progress

[River Wolfe]

I remember the first time I got my pants off, cathed and got them back on - all in the W/C.  I was in rehab at the time and gave a big holla, my nurse came quickly and I told her what happened and she gave me a big hug ;-)  There's nothing like those seemingly small steps to make us feel independent again !Contratulations !RiverOn Apr 6, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Bill_J wrote:A big CONGRATULATIONS on your breakthrough. Bill age 55C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68Leesburg, FLHave you ever faked a shampoo commercial?- Original Message -From: ~LittleQuad~To: Quad-list postSent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:47 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Progress Well I want to share my progress in OT/PT. I got pants unbuttoned for the 1st time in 7+ years on Tuesday... boy was it frustrating LOL... I’ve been working on it with the tool they let me have... I timed myself tonight so I could be aware of my body and when the urge to go comes. It took 38 seconds on a bad try to get them unbuttoned. It takes around 18 to button them. My mom made me a tool today to unzip pants. Well tonight I got them unzipped. Considering these are new pants it was little tough getting down all the way. I guess curiosity was working on me, so I thought I would try getting the undies out of the way and peeking. The stoma wasn’t as far down as I thought. I got one of the kits we have been using and couldn’t even get the catheter out of the tip of the bag. LOL My mom got a cath and a bottle and said for me to give it a whirl, she was going walkin! g. I sat there a second sizing up the task, looks easy enough, so I put the end of the catheter into the bottle and moved the undies down again. I got the tip of the catheter in with my right hand and started pushing it in with left. Lo and behold it was going in It only took 4 inches and BAM!!! I catheterized myself for the 1st time today That was so much fun!!! Now comes the cleaning the catheter part. I will work that tomorrow!!!   

Re: [QUAD-L] Planet mobility

[River Wolfe]

Start with the BBB in the state and city where the company is based.  From there you may want to call your state's attorney General as well.RiverOn Apr 1, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Brien wrote:Has anybody purchased anything from planet mobility?  I just bought a very expensive pressure relief  mattress.  I received a used, smelled like cigarettes, with a repair order in the box saying baffles 3 and 4 were repaired.  Also included were a very scuffed up, dirty bottom pad.  All this for a mere $3,250!!!Needless to say I sent it right back and demanded a complete refund.  I am, at  this point, crossing my fingersWhom among us has had nuthin but problems from dme suppliers and what is the best agency or ombudsman to report this kind of issue?haveaniceweekend,BrienOn Mar 30, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Danny Hearn wrote:Yes, I think all is ok, Glad to hear others had same thing happen and survived ;-)  thanks, all for letting me know.  DanLori Michaelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Even though I have an indwelling Foley, that has happened to me a couple of times in the last 26 years.  And a couple of times is more than enough.  Nothing really happened as far as trauma but it should not have happened in all.     And it has always been during taking my clothes off.  When we train new aides we emphasize the importance of the catheter and not being wiggled or jiggled or moved at all.  If time and care is taken there is no reason it should happen in all.  My problem is that even if it gets moved and tugged it a little bit it causes excruciating lower abdominal pain.  My hypersensitivity kicking in.     Lower abdominal pain, for me, seems to be the absolute worst as far as pain goes.  I will take my chronic back pain almost any day rather than to have lower abdominal pain.!      You should be fine     Lori     ---Original Message---   From: Danny Hearn  Date: 03/29/06 17:23:35  To: quad-list@eskimo.com  Subject: [QUAD-L] Supra Pubic Getting jerked out.       Today when my wife was taking off my pants for shower and bowel routine...she said my catheter hose got tangled and it pulled completely out of my stomach by accident while the balloon was still inflated. This was a 1st for that happening. We just put in a fresh one and all seems okne! ver could reach my urologist. Has this ever happened to any of you ? I guess all is ok...It only slightly bled very little when we put in a new catheter.       Thanks, Dan c-6  going on 9 years post and had supra pubic about 5 years.   

Re: [QUAD-L] FYI

[River Wolfe]

h...a troubled man to say the least.RiverOn Mar 29, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Tim Syfert wrote:I received this email (below) and am just passing it on to help out.     Tim  http://thequadlink.com      ---     hi tim     i have been writing every day for three years.     just so i could send this to you.     i m sending it to the u.s. judiciary tomorrow- we need the help of people who are quads and the people who love them.  they are our natural constituency-  all i ask is that you send this address to as many people that you can. and ask them to pass it on.     http://home.earthlink.net/~murphysarena1     god will do the rest.  those that can help, will.     eugen 		Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make  PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Re: [QUAD-L] Move your car please...again

[River Wolfe]

PERFECT !  LMAOOn Mar 28, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Robert Brennan wrote:Sorry if you are offended[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   LOL. Sounds like a classic chess game and its their move.  Remember   that "the game"  is not over until someone yells "CheckMate."  Hope you share their   response with the gang.  Best Wishes  W                 In a message dated 3/27/2006 5:53:53 PM Central Standard Time,   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  They  are evidently 'carefully' crafting an appropriate response.  I'm  still waiting.   I'm half tempted to park there again and  wait for their parking-patrol to see if they use any common sense or  just blindly follow rules from their book.  Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

[QUAD-L] V

[River Wolfe]

for Venedetta.

One radical think outloud keep you up at night movie!!!

River

Re: [QUAD-L] Being ignored

[River Wolfe]

LOL  thanks for the tip !  I'll have to try that.RivOn Mar 19, 2006, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Am I the only guy that drops money on the floor when pretty girls are around to pick it up?   lol   In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:56:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The world is our stage and we are all actors and performers.  You   merely had a bad performance day. If I personally need the feeling of being   attention to, I stop... then take a breath.then begin the performance of a   lifetime.  Everyone once in awhile, you will get a standing ovation for   your performance.  At Sears, I would have dropped the money on the floor and proclaim'd   something that the salesperson would never forget.  When at restaurants,   demand that you order first and ask all others to wait.  Its kinda fun if   you time it right.  I've been known to utter phrases like, "You don't know who I am do   you?"  And then just smile.  To get people attention, you have to   draw their attention.    I had the same problem, when I was plain ugly.  Now I get alot of   attention.  Maybe too much attention, lol  Best Wishes  W           In a message dated 3/19/2006 4:16:35 PM Central Standard Time,   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  I was out today and got totally ignored, I HATE IT WITH A PASSION!!! In Sears the cashier asked my friend "Is that all there is?" I had the freaking money in my paw. Then, I was at Atlanta bread company "Is there anything else?" Yes, I would like to get some coffee. Then in a health food store.   Do you guys get this shit too?   Bobbie    

Re: [QUAD-L] Being ignored, and learning to deal with it.

[River Wolfe]

Crank Yank?  wha's that?RivOn Mar 19, 2006, at 7:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Smurf, You are an actor, and a very good one at that, lol.  A command performance every once in a while is also good for an ego.  As a person with a disAbility you have a free pass to educate street dummies with a crank yank.  Think about it.  They will never forget you, lol. Your  Star is Shining! W       In a message dated 3/19/2006 6:07:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   I personally when I get ignored either start to dribble badly, or start   waving my hands around in the air shouting "hello can anyone see   me" - they are both great if you want to embarass the person ignoring   you, and trust me they get embarassed big time!!!     Take care,     Love Smurf xxx   

Re: [QUAD-L] BBC success!

[River Wolfe]

HLLA!!Will this series be available to U.S. stations which carry BBC?I hope so.RiverOn Mar 15, 2006, at 12:39 PM, QuadPirate wrote:   Can I get a Hell Yeah! Way to go Smurf!   Mark    ---Original Message---    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03/15/06 11:00:22 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] BBC success!   Hi all,   I wanted to keep you updated with the BBC auditions that I first went for a couple of years ago...   I had another audition for the same show on Saturday (11th March) which was the final audition for the show, and yesterday evening I got a phone call from one of the producers..   I GOT THE PART!  I will be playing a character called "Shelly" in a new kids drama called Desperados, and will be filming it from the 12th June through to the 1st September 2006 pretty mind blowing hey?!     It hasn't really hit home quite yet, but I get my contract sent through to me next week along with some more details so I think thats going to be the point when it really dawns on me that I've got the job!   So yeah, thought I'd share that with you,  it's given my week a bit of a brigher light what with my anniversary and all that, if thats possible!   Take care,   Love Smurf xxx    

Re: [QUAD-L] American Idol track

[River Wolfe]

Itunes has it for .99RivOn Mar 13, 2006, at 4:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi peeps,   Does anyone have a copy of the American Idol winner Carrie Underwood - Jesus, Take The Wheel at all please that you could email me through?  I've been trying to get hold of a copy of it and it's proving impossible, literally...   Cheers,   Love Smurf xxx

Re: [QUAD-L] Local News - Stem-cell research at U of L 'major step'

[River Wolfe]

This is SO EXCITING 
On Mar 11, 2006, at 10:40 AM, courierjournal.com wrote:

You have been sent the following article from Larry Willis as a  
courtesy of The Courier-Journal.


"Local News - Stem-cell research at U of L 'major step'"

To view this article on The Courier-Journal Web site, go to:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200660308003


The following is a short message from Larry Willis:

Good news!

Re: [QUAD-L] Oscars

[River Wolfe]

  It's Hard Out Here Being a Gimp! When your conversion van money is Spent! you try gettin from here to there payin 2.50 for gas $2000 for renthere we go

Re: [QUAD-L] Age

[River Wolfe]

44yo 20 yrs post T-4 paraOn Feb 27, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Mare Albano wrote:Age 50, C4/5, 28 yrs postmarrived, 2 children, 5 grandchildren- Original Message -From: Tim SyfertTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:11 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] AgeAge 49, c5, 33 yrs post. Timhttp://thequadlink.comRichard Kratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:male, 63, c3/4, 14 yrs incomplete- Original Message - From: "Matt" To: "Quad-List" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:02 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Age> I'm male, 45 here, 17 years post C-4 incomplete, married.> Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

Re: [QUAD-L] NJ Handicap parking

[River Wolfe]

I have the same issue with needing space for my lift.  Most of the time I could care less where I park as long as I have room for my lift.  I came up with a great solution for this problem.  Take a mini traffic cone and put a rope around it and a hook at the other end so you can hook it to your van door.  Put the cone out far enough so that no one will park next to you.  This weekend I was waiting for a parking spot at the mall.  We were right behind the car pulling out of the HC spot and another driver (elderly woman) pulled right into the spot ahead of us.  Clearly, we were there first.  I wasn't driving and so Jonny let me out of the van and I followed the lady out of the lot and told her we were there first.  She didn't bother to even look at me and said " I was there" knowing she was in the wrong.  I cussed her out and then let out the air in her tire.  That's the FIRST time I've ever done that and it felt great.  Another time at WAL MART (first mistake) I was waiting for a spot to be vacated and there were several shopping carts blocking the area for my lift.  I honked for the person leaving the spot and she just looked at me.  I tried to motion to her that I needed her to move the carts and she got into the car and pulled out.  I was honking like crazy but she still ignored me.  I bet she wondered why I didn't take the spot. People are so insensitive these days.  RivOn Feb 27, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Corie Jones wrote:I use a power chair also, BUT I have  chronic tendinitis in both my shoulders, so driving my chair long distances is difficult (painful) for me, so feel that I definitely need handicap parking.  I have to save my shoulder to drive around the store, so I need the closer parking spaces to not wear out my shoulder before I even get into the store or place I'm going.  The other issue is that being in a handicapped parking allows me to put my lift down.  If I am stuck parking in a regular parking space, then I would not have the space to put my lift down and I have a minivan, so it's not like it takes up a huge amount of space.  Many times I have had to park way out in a parking area of a shopping mall because all the handicap parking are taken, usually by people who are walking just fine, even the elderly.  I see so many people getting in and out of cars with handicap placards, who walk just fine.  Then once I am stuck parking out in a regular parking space, I come back to my van to find someone parked next to me, which then requires my mom to pull the van out to get me in it.  It's totally inconvenient.  I personally feel that handicap parking is for people in wheelchairs or who are unable to walk very well.  Unfortunately, it's the doctors who hand them out way too easily.Corie- Original Message -From: BrienTo: quad-list@eskimo.comCc: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:01 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] NJ Handicap parkingConsider my perspective. I have a power chair and a van with a lift.  Since  I can  practically do 10mph, I could care less what spaces are available.  Disabled parking spots are truly for people who have much difficulty getting from the car to the building.  I am a quad and am very proud not to use disabled parking spaces because I don't need them.  I am sure everybody has an opinion on disabled spaces but pregnant women, for the most part, have acceptable mobility and dont need em.I picture somebody who can barely with a walker/cane walk as eligible for disabled spaces!What do folks think?On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:40 AM, QuadPirate wrote:I'm curious to why this is bugging you? Mark ---Original Message--- From: Miss LizDate: 02/25/06 13:29:34To: Quad-ListSubject: [QUAD-L] NJ Handicap parking The local news WCBS_TV did a story @ NJ legislature wanting to put a bill through to let pregnant women park in handicap spaces. I am trying to find out what idiot proposed this idea so I may write a letter. Has anyone heard of this? 

Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore

[River Wolfe]

Dave,what a card you are ;-)RiverOn Feb 17, 2006, at 2:27 PM, David K. Kelmer wrote:  Hi River,     I just wanted to take the time to call you psychic.  ;- )     With Love,  CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA River Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  call me psychic... RiverOn Feb 16, 2006, at 1:47 PM, QuadPirate wrote: I'm with you Silas, he's all about the dollar and exploiting political issues to fatten his pocket.  He might as well be a politician.  I mean if he really wanted to make a difference he'd run for office and try to change these problems instead of making a movie and just talking about them.  Does he really think nobody is aware of how bad health care is?     Mark     ---Original Message---   From: Silas  Date: 02/16/06 12:15:27  To: River Wolfe; quadlist Quad-List  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore     Hey River,  Is this Michael Moore stuff for real, do you think he gives a shit about our  problems or is he out for the mity dallar?  Curious Silas     - Original Message -  From: "River Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: "quadlist Quad-List" <quad-list@eskimo.com>  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:40 AM  Subject: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from  Michael Moore        >  >  >>  >>  >> I know how popular Michael Moore is on this list *smirk* but I  thought  >> some of you might have stories for him.  I believe he needs  to see the  >> disability perspective as well.  You know...nursing home  imprisonment,  >> medicare  >> problems etc...  >>  >> Peace,  >> River  >>>>  >>>> Friends,  >>>>  >>>> How would you like to be in my next movie? I know you've probably  >>>> heard I'm making a documentary about the health care industry (but  >>>> the HMOs don't know this, so don't tell them -- they think I'm  >>>> making a romantic comedy).  >>>>  >>>> If you've followed my work over the years, you know that I keep a  >>>> pretty low profile while I'm making my movies. I don't give  >>>> interviews, I don't go on TV and I don't defrost my refrigerator. I  >>>> do keep my website updated on a daily basis (there's been something  >>>> like 4,000,000 visitors just this week alone) and the rest of the  >>>> time I'm... well, I can't tell you what I'm doing, but you can  >>>> pretty much guess. It gets harder and harder sneaking into  >>>> corporate headquarters, but I've found that just dying my hair  >>>> black and wearing a skort really helps.  >>>>  >>>> Back to my invitation to be in my movie. Have you ever found  >>>> yourself getting ready to file for bankruptcy because you can't pay  >>>> your kid's hospital bill, and then you say to yourself, "Boy, I  >>>> sure would like to be in Michael Moore's health care movie!"?  >>>>  >>>> Or, after being turned down for the third time by your HMO for an  >>>> operation they should be paying for, do you ever think to yourself,  >>>> "Now THIS travesty should be in that 'Sicko' movie!"?  >>>>  >>>> Or maybe you've just been told that your father is going to have to  >>>> just, well, die because he can't afford the drugs he needs to get  >>>> better -- and it's then that you say, "Damn, what did I do with  >>>> Michael Moore's home number?!"  >>>>  >>>> OK, here's your chance. As you can imagine, we've got the goods on  >>>> these crooks. All we need now is to put a few of you in the movie  >>>> and let the world see what the greatest country ever in the history  >>>> of the universe does to its own people, simply because they have  >>>> the misfortune of getting sick. Because getting sick, unless you  >>>> are rich, is a crime -- a crime for which you must pay, sometimes  >>>> with your own life.  >>>>  >>>> About four hundred years from now, historians will look back at us  >>>> like we were some sort of barbarians, but for now we're just the  >>>> laughing stock of the Western world.  >>>>  >>>> So, if you'd like me to know what you've been through with your  >>>> insurance company, or what it's been like to have no insurance at  >>>> all, or how the hospitals 

Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore

[River Wolfe]

I know you probably don't think of him as an artist, however, that's what he does.  He makes films in order to bring attention to problems, he's not a politician.  And yes, I think there are many people who are unaware of how bad the healthcare crisis is.  People are especially unaware of those of us dying in nursing homes because insurance won't pay for home health care, or those of us who are unable to marry because of combining incomes and losing benefits.   Please don't let your contempt of this ARTIST get in your way of telling the world your story.  The personal is political.RiverOn Feb 16, 2006, at 1:47 PM, QuadPirate wrote:    I'm with you Silas, he's all about the dollar and exploiting political issues to fatten his pocket. He might as well be a politician. I mean if he really wanted to make a difference he'd run for office and try to change these problems instead of making a movie and just talking about them. Does he really think nobody is aware of how bad health care is?   Mark   ---Original Message---    From: Silas Date: 02/16/06 12:15:27 To: River Wolfe; quadlist Quad-List Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore   Hey River, Is this Michael Moore stuff for real, do you think he gives a shit about our problems or is he out for the mity dallar? Curious Silas   ----- Original Message - From: "River Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "quadlist Quad-List" <quad-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore     > > >> >> >> I know how popular Michael Moore is on this list *smirk* but I  thought >> some of you might have stories for him.  I believe he needs  to see the >> disability perspective as well.  You know...nursing home  imprisonment, >> medicare >> problems etc... >> >> Peace, >> River >>>> >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> How would you like to be in my next movie? I know you've probably >>>> heard I'm making a documentary about the health care industry (but >>>> the HMOs don't know this, so don't tell them -- they think I'm >>>> making a romantic comedy). >>>> >>>> If you've followed my work over the years, you know that I keep a >>>> pretty low profile while I'm making my movies. I don't give >>>> interviews, I don't go on TV and I don't defrost my refrigerator. I >>>> do keep my website updated on a daily basis (there's been something >>>> like 4,000,000 visitors just this week alone) and the rest of the >>>> time I'm... well, I can't tell you what I'm doing, but you can >>>> pretty much guess. It gets harder and harder sneaking into >>>> corporate headquarters, but I've found that just dying my hair >>>> black and wearing a skort really helps. >>>> >>>> Back to my invitation to be in my movie. Have you ever found >>>> yourself getting ready to file for bankruptcy because you can't pay >>>> your kid's hospital bill, and then you say to yourself, "Boy, I >>>> sure would like to be in Michael Moore's health care movie!"? >>>> >>>> Or, after being turned down for the third time by your HMO for an >>>> operation they should be paying for, do you ever think to yourself, >>>> "Now THIS travesty should be in that 'Sicko' movie!"? >>>> >>>> Or maybe you've just been told that your father is going to have to >>>> just, well, die because he can't afford the drugs he needs to get >>>> better -- and it's then that you say, "Damn, what did I do with >>>> Michael Moore's home number?!" >>>> >>>> OK, here's your chance. As you can imagine, we've got the goods on >>>> these crooks. All we need now is to put a few of you in the movie >>>> and let the world see what the greatest country ever in the history >>>> of the universe does to its own people, simply because they have >>>> the misfortune of getting sick. Because getting sick, unless you >>>> are rich, is a crime -- a crime for which you must pay, sometimes >>>> with your own life. >>>> >>>> About four hundred years from now, historians will look back at us >>>> like we were some sort of barbarians, but for now we're just the >>>> laughing stock of the Western world. >>>> >&

Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore

[River Wolfe]

call me psychic...RiverOn Feb 16, 2006, at 1:47 PM, QuadPirate wrote:    I'm with you Silas, he's all about the dollar and exploiting political issues to fatten his pocket. He might as well be a politician. I mean if he really wanted to make a difference he'd run for office and try to change these problems instead of making a movie and just talking about them. Does he really think nobody is aware of how bad health care is?   Mark   ---Original Message---    From: Silas Date: 02/16/06 12:15:27 To: River Wolfe; quadlist Quad-List Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore   Hey River, Is this Michael Moore stuff for real, do you think he gives a shit about our problems or is he out for the mity dallar? Curious Silas   - Original Message ----- From: "River Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "quadlist Quad-List" <quad-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore     > > >> >> >> I know how popular Michael Moore is on this list *smirk* but I  thought >> some of you might have stories for him.  I believe he needs  to see the >> disability perspective as well.  You know...nursing home  imprisonment, >> medicare >> problems etc... >> >> Peace, >> River >>>> >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> How would you like to be in my next movie? I know you've probably >>>> heard I'm making a documentary about the health care industry (but >>>> the HMOs don't know this, so don't tell them -- they think I'm >>>> making a romantic comedy). >>>> >>>> If you've followed my work over the years, you know that I keep a >>>> pretty low profile while I'm making my movies. I don't give >>>> interviews, I don't go on TV and I don't defrost my refrigerator. I >>>> do keep my website updated on a daily basis (there's been something >>>> like 4,000,000 visitors just this week alone) and the rest of the >>>> time I'm... well, I can't tell you what I'm doing, but you can >>>> pretty much guess. It gets harder and harder sneaking into >>>> corporate headquarters, but I've found that just dying my hair >>>> black and wearing a skort really helps. >>>> >>>> Back to my invitation to be in my movie. Have you ever found >>>> yourself getting ready to file for bankruptcy because you can't pay >>>> your kid's hospital bill, and then you say to yourself, "Boy, I >>>> sure would like to be in Michael Moore's health care movie!"? >>>> >>>> Or, after being turned down for the third time by your HMO for an >>>> operation they should be paying for, do you ever think to yourself, >>>> "Now THIS travesty should be in that 'Sicko' movie!"? >>>> >>>> Or maybe you've just been told that your father is going to have to >>>> just, well, die because he can't afford the drugs he needs to get >>>> better -- and it's then that you say, "Damn, what did I do with >>>> Michael Moore's home number?!" >>>> >>>> OK, here's your chance. As you can imagine, we've got the goods on >>>> these crooks. All we need now is to put a few of you in the movie >>>> and let the world see what the greatest country ever in the history >>>> of the universe does to its own people, simply because they have >>>> the misfortune of getting sick. Because getting sick, unless you >>>> are rich, is a crime -- a crime for which you must pay, sometimes >>>> with your own life. >>>> >>>> About four hundred years from now, historians will look back at us >>>> like we were some sort of barbarians, but for now we're just the >>>> laughing stock of the Western world. >>>> >>>> So, if you'd like me to know what you've been through with your >>>> insurance company, or what it's been like to have no insurance at >>>> all, or how the hospitals and doctors wouldn't treat you (or if >>>> they did, how they sent you into poverty trying to pay their crazy >>>> bills) ...if you have been abused in any way by this sick, greedy, >>>> grubby system and it has caused you or your   loved ones great >>>> sorrow and pain, let me know. >>>> >>>> Send me 

[QUAD-L] Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from Michael Moore

[River Wolfe]

I know how popular Michael Moore is on this list *smirk* but I  
thought some of you might have stories for him.  I believe he needs  
to see the disability perspective as well.  You know...nursing home  
imprisonment, medicare

problems etc...

Peace,
River


Friends,

How would you like to be in my next movie? I know you've probably
heard I'm making a documentary about the health care industry (but
the HMOs don't know this, so don't tell them -- they think I'm
making a romantic comedy).

If you've followed my work over the years, you know that I keep a
pretty low profile while I'm making my movies. I don't give
interviews, I don't go on TV and I don't defrost my refrigerator. I
do keep my website updated on a daily basis (there's been something
like 4,000,000 visitors just this week alone) and the rest of the
time I'm... well, I can't tell you what I'm doing, but you can
pretty much guess. It gets harder and harder sneaking into
corporate headquarters, but I've found that just dying my hair
black and wearing a skort really helps.

Back to my invitation to be in my movie. Have you ever found
yourself getting ready to file for bankruptcy because you can't pay
your kid's hospital bill, and then you say to yourself, "Boy, I
sure would like to be in Michael Moore's health care movie!"?

Or, after being turned down for the third time by your HMO for an
operation they should be paying for, do you ever think to yourself,
"Now THIS travesty should be in that 'Sicko' movie!"?

Or maybe you've just been told that your father is going to have to
just, well, die because he can't afford the drugs he needs to get
better -- and it's then that you say, "Damn, what did I do with
Michael Moore's home number?!"

OK, here's your chance. As you can imagine, we've got the goods on
these crooks. All we need now is to put a few of you in the movie
and let the world see what the greatest country ever in the history
of the universe does to its own people, simply because they have
the misfortune of getting sick. Because getting sick, unless you
are rich, is a crime -- a crime for which you must pay, sometimes
with your own life.

About four hundred years from now, historians will look back at us
like we were some sort of barbarians, but for now we're just the
laughing stock of the Western world.

So, if you'd like me to know what you've been through with your
insurance company, or what it's been like to have no insurance at
all, or how the hospitals and doctors wouldn't treat you (or if
they did, how they sent you into poverty trying to pay their crazy
bills) ...if you have been abused in any way by this sick, greedy,
grubby system and it has caused you or your   loved ones great
sorrow and pain, let me know.

Send me a short, factual account of what has happened to you -- and
what IS happening to you right now if you have been unable to get
the health care you need. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I
will read every single one of them (even if I can't respond to or
help everyone, I will be able to bring to light a few of your
stories).

Thank you in advance for sharing them with me and trusting me to
try and do something about a very corrupt system that simply has to
go.

Oh, and if you happen to work for an HMO or a pharmaceutical
company or a profit-making hospital and you have simply seen too
much abuse of your fellow human beings and can't take it any longer
-- and you would like the truth to be told -- please write me at  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I will protect your privacy and I will

tell the world what you are unable to tell. I am looking for a few
heroes with a conscience. I know you are out there.

Thank you, all of you, for your help and your continued support
through the years. I promise you that with "Sicko" we will do our
best to give you not only a great movie, but a chance to bring down
this evil empire, once and for all.

In the meantime, stay well. I hear fruits and vegetables help.

Yours,
Michael Moore
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.michaelmoore.com



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Date: February 3, 2006 4:50:21 AM EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... An Appeal from
Michael Moore
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2/3/06

Friends,

How would you like to be in my next movie? I know you've probably
heard I'm making a documentary about the health care industry (but
the HMOs don't know this, so don't tell them -- they think I'm
making a romantic comedy).

If you've followed my work over the years, you know that I keep a
pretty low profile while I'm making my movies. I don't give
interviews, I don't go on TV and I don't defrost my refrigerator. I
do keep my website updated on a daily basis (there's been something
like 4,000,000 visitors just this week alone) and the rest of the
time I'm... well, I can'

Re: [QUAD-L] Has anything like this ever happen to you guys?

[River Wolfe]

Bobbie,

I have no idea how you got out of that one.  Sounds like a great  
puzzler for the Car Talk guys!


River
On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Calling all quads ~ Has this ever happened to you? True story

  John, a C4,5 quad, needed to drop off his van for repair. So I  
followed him in my van to give him a ride home ~ I'm C 5,6 myself.  
It's Sunday so we need to put his keys in the drop box slot. John  
couldn't push open the "door" AND drop the keys at the same time,  
so he asked for my help. We situated our two power chairs so we  
could both reach the drop box "door" with our quad hands. John says  
"You hold open the "door" and I'll drop the keys in"
  Somehow we both managed to get both our hands caught in the swing  
"door" If we pulled out hands out, the "door" got tighter. As the  
sun was setting I began to laugh. John didn't think it was funny -  
at first, then he saw the humor.
  You got to picture that we are practically on top of each other  
with each of us having a hands caught in a key drop with the sun  
setting.
  How do you all think we got out of our situation? What would you  
have done?

  A real quadrum ~ Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] pimple

[River Wolfe]

Hi all,

The Dr. said it is indeed a "pimple" and as others have mentioned I  
should keep it from opening up at all costs.  It was open when she  
saw it and she suggested putting alcohol on it, which I did and  
there's a scab
now.  This little thing could be a BIG thing when you're a para or  
quad.   I love my Dr. she's so thorough at explaining things, any  
other Dr. may have poo-poo'ed an appointment for a "pimple" but she was

glad I came in.

River

Re: [QUAD-L] I'm killing my orchard plant ~ help

[River Wolfe]

Orchids are very hard to grow in my experience.  Others say how "easy" they are to grow.  Go to some websites to get the best info on care.  My guess is that sitting on the heater probably isn't a good idea ;-)RiverOn Jan 25, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Silas wrote:Bobbie,It probable won't hurt it, would have to stay wet several days before water would damage it. Silas- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:49 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] I'm killing my orchard plant ~ helpI just got an orchard plant yesterday. Today I watered it heavily, then I remembered that the tag on the other orchards said to water lightly every 7 to 10 days. So now I have is sitting on my heater register blowing warm air through the little holes in the bottom.  Can I do anything else to try and save it?  Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] printer ~friend question

[River Wolfe]

Those quads can be pricey, at least that's what I've heard.RiverOn Jan 25, 2006, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:especially if they could afford a quad for his 12th birthday.dd

[QUAD-L] pimple

[River Wolfe]

Hey everyone,

I've had some small pimples on my bottom and they've come and gone.   
Now I have one that is BIG under the head of it, it's about the size  
of a pea and hard.
Seeing my Dr. tomorrow, but I thought I'd check some experts (that's  
yal) before I go.


any suggestions or stories?

peace,
River

Re: [QUAD-L] printer ~friend question

[River Wolfe]

Tell her you're out of ink, perhaps she'll offer to buy some to  
replace what she has used ;-)

Take the ink out of the printer, if you're able.
If all else fails, try the truth.

River
On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All,
A "friend" of mine, (I've only known her 6 months) who lives in  
my apartment building comes in and use's my computer AND printer.
  I don't mind her using the computer to go on line BUT I do mind  
her printing out so much stuff.
  What can I do to the printer (through the computer maybe) to  
temporarily disable it while she stops by?

 Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] Question Help ASAP

[River Wolfe]

I'm not sure what Extension is, but if you're talking about a muscle spasm/tone I really don't think it's something controllable.  I would take the Dr's word over the caregiver's word.  Blaming him is perhaps their way of getting out of providing everything he needs.  Saying he's spoiled certainly does help get them off the hook, if you buy into their theory.just my 2sense,RiverOn Jan 23, 2006, at 3:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can someone explain to me what happens when my son goes into TONE or Extension. It's something he can't help says his Dr since he is mute and a quad since his Brainstem stroke. Dr says he has 3 choices, laugh, cry or go into extension when he gets frustrated.She says that too many electrical impulses go to his brain at the same time and it causes it. However some of his caregivers says he is spoiled and throwing a temper tantrum. There was a site where I could get info about this sort of thing but I forgot the name of it.  Help please. He is 41 and 4 yrs post stroke. Is  there a medicine for this?

Re: [QUAD-L] Anyone in these states looking 4 work Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio ????????

[River Wolfe]

thanks !!!RiverOn Jan 17, 2006, at 7:40 PM, Houston809 wrote:       Home-based Work Opportunity for Meijer

Re: [QUAD-L]legal advice-Eric

[River Wolfe]

Eric:
Go here - http://www.nolo.com/
for the inexpensive version and probably a fine choice.  Go to an  
attorney for a personalized version AND a person who can assist in  
the future, if god forbid, problems arise.


Peace,
River

On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Eric Olson wrote:


River,

I told Amy that if anything happened to her, her mother would try  
to get custody of the kid.  Amy told me her mother isn't THAT  
evil.  I know better though.  I'd like to talk to you and anyone  
else about the legal issues.  I remember you posting that you and  
you're partner got things all in writing.

Eric

River Wolfe wrote:

Re: [QUAD-L] exercise dvd on ebay

[River Wolfe]

kewl !!  I might try this and let you all know how I like it !A better deal here:http://product.ctaichi.com/RiverOn Jan 15, 2006, at 11:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:6469312182 

Re: [QUAD-L] advice

[River Wolfe]

Hi Eric:

It's late for me so I'll write what came to my mind first.  Amy's  
mother is not practicing christianity, for it is a religion of  
forgiveness and love and good deeds.  Secondly, now that you are  
Amy's spouse,  Amy's family should treat you as such.   However, it's  
not that simple since there's no marriage certificate.  PLEASE be  
sure you have all of the correct papers (POA, Will, LIving WIll, all  
financial business in BOTH names), or else her family could,  and it  
sounds like they would take control if something ever happens to her  
like illness, coma, or death. Not to mention your parental rights...


please be cautious and keep your distance from them.

Peace,
River
On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:46 PM, William Willis wrote:

Jeez, Eric, that's one hell of a situation. my heart breaks for the  
two of you. She sounds like the grandmother in the movie "Flowers  
In the Attic." Evil hiding behind a Bible.
It is unlikely that she will change, barring some miracle. If you  
haven't already, visit a professional counselor. Together, perhaps  
the two of you can give Amy the strength to face up to her. A few  
prayers wouldn't hurt either. I believe just hearing someone else  
confirm that you are in the right would be a source of strength.  
God bless you, my friend. Larry Willis




From: Eric Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: quad 
Subject: [QUAD-L] advice
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:09:31 -0600

Everyone,

I'm currently in a situation I don't know how to handle.  My wife,  
(I call her my wife but we could only have a commitment ceremony)  
Amy's family is just awful.  For our commitment ceremony, we  
rented a hall, had dinner the whole nine yards and her parents  
refused to come.  Her parents are these hardcore pentecostal  
Christians which is odd because Amy's mother is the most evil  
woman I've NEVER  met.  When Amy and I started dating, She took  
Amy's picture off the wall in their house.  She used to have  
prayer meetings at the house and they would pray for Amy to change  
her mind.  Amy's sister said marrying me would be like marrying a  
rapist.  Her brother told her she should start thinking with her  
head instead of her heart.  Her father seems to have at least made  
peace with it.  Unfortunately, for us, he has no testicles.  If  
Amy's mom told him he could no longer have any contact with his  
own daughter, that's what he'd do.  That statement pretty much  
sums up how ball-less he is and how manipulative she is.   It  
would take days to write everything they have done so you'll just  
have to trust me.  I could give a rats ass what they think of me,  
but they treat their own daughter /sister like shit because of  
me.  This shit has been going on the entire 5 years we've been  
together.


Unfortunately, Amy has this bizarre need for her family's approval  
especially from her mother.  She has been reaching out to her  
family the past 5 years to try and make things work and every time  
they shit on her.  I keep telling her, the only way to keep from  
getting hurt, is to just write off her family for now and hope  
things improve in the distant future.  I know they won't.  She  
doesn't listen.  She walks around crying saying "I have no  
mother."  I feel bad for her.  Needing her mothers approval has  
turned into a sick obsession in my opinion.  What should I do?


This is where things get complicated.  Amy is pregnant.  Normally  
this would be great news to share with you but with her  
family ...  To get the whole picture, you really need to  
understand how screwed up and evil Amy's mother is.  A couple  
years ago, Amy had a friend's kid over at her mother's house and  
the baby was crying.  Amy's mother says "he's crying because he  
comes from a broken home."  His parents were not married at the  
time.  Amy's mom is the kind of nut that would tell our kid that  
his/her parents are going to hell because they are not married.   
Funny story.  Amy's sister got married a couple weeks after we did  
outside at disneyworld.  During the ceremony there is a rumble of  
thunder in the distance and Amy's mother says out loud so all 16  
people attending heard "that's because God doesn't approve of this  
marriage."  She was sitting next to the groom's mother when she  
said it.


Anyway, Amy knows her mother is way to stressful to tell before  
she's well into her third trimester, but we're thinking about not  
telling them before at all.  Amy's afraid that, if her mother  
comes to see her in the hospital, she will say something horrible  
and ruin the birth experience.  She hasn't decided whether to call  
afterwards or just send her parents a birth announcement.  I said  
we should just send them a high school graduation picture. lol  
This is just for the birth.  We don't know how much of our child's  
life we want them to be.  They've completely shunned Amy and made  
it clear they want nothing to do with her as long as she's with  
me.  We don't think they really 

Re: [QUAD-L] Medicaid Doctor is coming to my apartment ~ Help

[River Wolfe]

I Bobbie,

Sounds like what you said below will do the job.  What is she going  
to say to that, along with meeting you in person?  Not to say that  
you should play up the pity factor or anything...*smirk*


River
On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All,
   I ordered a brand new power chair and this morning Dr. Kay, the  
Medicaid Doctor, called and said she want's to come over to my  
apartment and meet me to discuss my new power chair order.

  What should I say? What shouldn't I say?
The power chair I'm in now is only 5 years old BUT it malfunctions  
a lot, like stopping whenever it wants to. It also move's on it's  
own and it tip backwards very easily.
 In December 2005 I had an MRI that showed I have a syrinx on C 6  
and osteoporosis in my neck.

 OH, and I've ordered a tilt for the very first time in 33 years.
 What would you guys do and not do to get this new power chair  
approved?

  ~ Bobbie ~

Re: [QUAD-L] Senokot

[River Wolfe]

Hi Mare,I take 2 Senna capsules from NOW natural foods at iherb.com.  These are much less expensive than the sennekot brand at the drugstore.  They work just as well.RiverOn Jan 3, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Mare Albano wrote:THANKS, Lori! How many tabs?- Original Message -From: Lori MichaelsonTo: QuadSent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:22 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Senokot Taken it for 26 yrs.  8-10 hrs before my bowel routine.  I DO NOT GO now if Idon't take it.  Two tabs. Lori MichaelsonAge - 41C4/5 complete quad, 26 years postTucson, AZ  ---Original Message--- From: Mare AlbanoDate: 01/02/06 14:48:22To: QUAD LISTSubject: [QUAD-L] Senokot Does anyone take Senokot and what is your opinion of it?Thanks,Maryandreddi 

Re: [QUAD-L] Engagement/waiver

[River Wolfe]

Once you're married, her money is yours (in the eyes of the government), you must claim it.  Many reasons people in our condition don't get married.  One positive reason gay and lesbians who CAN'T get married get one over on the system.Congratulations   Sounds like a lucky gal ;-)RiverOn Dec 27, 2005, at 11:16 AM, t crook wrote:Her income would put me too high; is their any way to not include her income to mine. She is not my main caregiver; meaning she doesn't get paid through the waiver.Bill_J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Spouses (unfortunately) cab NOT be paid under any of the waivers.  If your new wife is not your caregiver, then your caregivers should still be paid.  That is unless her income puts the household income too high to allow waiver assistance.  You'll need to check with your state's waiver program to find out. BillC6 Incomplete since 7/20/68Leesburg, FLI live in my own little world. But it's OK...they know me here.- Original Message -From: t crookTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:33 AMSubject: [QUAD-L] Engagement/waiverI asked my girlfriend (Kathy) to marry me about five days before Christmas. I called her and my son ! into the living room; I flipped my leg rest to the side and threw my leg down- I then said "I cannot get down on one knee; I pulled out the ring and asked if she would marry me. She said are you kidding (yes), are you kidding (yes); she was very happy. Now do any of you know about waiver rules and laws. I am pretty sure their is a way to keep finances separate for me to keep my waiver- so long as the Iraq war doesn't eat my waiver before I get a chance to save-guard it. Timwww.geocities.com/onemofortomYahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

Re: [QUAD-L] celebrations

[River Wolfe]

Lana,I really like Dave's answer and at some point I think you and Gabe may be able to do that, have celebrations when you want, where you want.  For right now though, It seems as though you're so angry at not being heard, you need to express your anger and hurt feelings more than anything.  I too have been terribly hurt by the insensitivity of others.  When I had my accident, I spent my first CHristmas with no one.  Like Dave's suggestion, I did celebrate with friends on days other than  Christmas, but I had NO family on Christmas.  They all live in Tx and I'm here in Ohio.  Since that time, Christmas has never really felt the same for me.  Each year I let go of some of my hurt from that time, but I still will never believe in the magic of Christmas as I did before my accident.  What the hell is all the fuss about when my family doesn't even care enough to come up (or pay for me to come down) for that "special time"?  I always avoid CHristmas family shows too, for I know life isn't like a Hallmark movie, it's full of hurt and unmet expectations.  It's up to us to make the best of it however that may be.  I have come up with some traditions on my own and haven't spent Christmas with my biological family in at least 12 yrs.  Unless you live with me, you will never get my life.  True for everyone on this list. For those who wish to come out of denial and "get it" by honoring our requests and needs, they deserve nothing less than our love and respect, and a hearty thank you for braving  the truth.  Peace and Love,RiverDoes this sound familiar? For years my family had all celebrations and gatherings at their homes. When Gabe had his injury I insisted that some should be here. Over the past ten years it has been like I was begging. I would explain all the issues- access to the house, toilet, . I won them into coming over here now and again. Over the past couple years they started saying we had too many holidays over here. Of course for them they only count Christmas & Thanksgiving. They do not count birthdays, family reunions or just plain get togethers that occur at their houses. When it comes to big family gatherings I am just speaking French. I am ashamed. I would go to some activities because I wouldn’t see family from out of town otherwise. Gabe would stay home or find other things to do. No one in the family ever asked, seemed concerned, they just wanted to do their thing. I have explained and bugged so much.  This has been an ongoing war and I just do not understand how they can’t understand. We can use a portable ramp on one house. The rest are really inaccessible. I am also ashamed that we have lifted Gabe and his chair into houses. He was very unhappy about this so it stopped. However, they do not understand the problems with lifting chairs despite me explaining it and continue to say we should do it. Gabe has not really been part of the war. I guess I felt his isolation from family events was enough. Well I just got tired of the games, the pleading and Gabe still not being able to be a part of our family. I gave my sister all of the gifts when she came over to get them on the 23rd so they could open the gifts at her house on Christmas. This broke the camels back. I explained the problem to her one more time. We even gave her an outline so she could read about Gabe’s needs. Her responses blew me away. So I told her she no longer had a sister. We were no longer part of the family and we would not participate in any family celebrations. We would develop a new group to celebrate with and be around.  She was blown away and acted like she hadn’t heard this stuff before. Was I too harsh? I just couldn’t play there game anymore and leave Gabe out. What do you guys do? Lana,Gabe’s mom 10 years post, C4-5

Re: [QUAD-L] This is MY way of Praying ~ Anytime

[River Wolfe]

That, my dear Bobbie, is one of the most beautiful things I've ever  
read.  SInce I don't "pray" in the traditional sense, I struggle for  
the words to describe what I

do for folks when they need a "prayer" from me, this is perfect.

THank You!

RIver
On Dec 26, 2005, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here is a Prayer I say when someone asks me to "Pray for me, her, him"

Praying is believing in something bigger than yourself, or  
anything
you've ever touched or known. It's telling a river or an open field  
that you need a
little help right now. Because somebody hurts. Because someone  
somewhere has
been crying. Last night I thought about you and I concentrated as  
hard as I
could on making you better. I went outside and sat on top of a hill  
and told the
night sky that you were sad, and that all I really wanted was for  
you to be
okay. I gave a tree a hug and a message. I wished on a star and all  
it's
friends to make you smile. This is my prater to you. Because I want  
you to love the

world again. And because I knew I couldn't do it by myself.
  I carry this in my purse whenever I'm down I'll read it and feel  
better.

Dose anybody else pray like this?
   Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] From a quads wife

[River Wolfe]

great advice Steve, great group !!My best to both of you Sara and congratulations Honic ! You and your spouse are an inspiration to me.RiverOn Dec 22, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Steve Oldaker wrote:  Sara...   I strongly suggest joining the Spinal Cord Injury Caregivers group on Yahoo.  You can use the following link to do so.   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCIC/   You should find much more support and input than here (no offense to the Quad Link forum) as the primary focus is caregivers as opposed to the person with the SCI.  There are some really fine people in the SCIC Yahoo group.  You may receive some negative responses, but I don't think anyone benefits from totally one sided input.   I am a C4 quad and do not hold anything against you regarding your current status with your injured husband, though I can only imagine he misses you dearly.  I hope you can find a way to still be his wife and live with him and find ways to have his care maintained by someone else so you can primarily be a wife, not a caregiver.   Best regards...   Steve   From: Sara Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]   Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:51 PMTo:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] >From a   quads wifeI would like to hear more about your story.  I am 24   years old.  My husband and I have been together for 10 years, we got   married May 29, 2004 and 4 weeks later he was injured in an ATV accident and   is now a quad.  I did not leave his side for all 4 months in the   hospital.  We had to sell everything, including the house we just bought   a month before our wedding.  We moved in with his dad and stepmom.    I turned from wife to caretaker.  I did really good the first year (I was   still in denial) then it all hit me and I got really depressed and it got   pretty bad.  So I moved out and in with my mom to get myself better   because if I am not well then I can not help him or our relationship. After I   moved out I then realized and looked back on everything and did not realize   how unhappy I actually was.  I am only 24 and I lost everything in a   matter of seconds and I am now trying to cope with everything and try to dec!   ide if I should go back or not.  I have no one to really talk to and no   one understands until they have walked in your shoes or done the same   thing.  If we were older and married a lot longer it might be   different.  I think we messed up because I turned into caretaker instead   of wife.  Any suggestions or advice?  How did you manage and cope   with everything?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   My life as a incomplete quads wife First of all let me say I w! ould do it all over again, although it is not easy being the man of the house. lol My husband and I traded off the responsibilities, ie: while I did chores that normally a hubby would do he would in turn do household chores that he could manage. I even learned to fix minor repairs on our car. Of course he was there telling me how to do it.   He was a very good teacher. When our children were babies he would hold them with one had and push with the other alternately. I almost fainted upon returning from an appointment to discover he managed to get our first born infant into the living room. After that I was completely comfortable with leaving the youngsters with him.  Between the two of ! us we managed without outside help until the year of 2000. He is now in failing health and keeping me busy. Sometimes it is difficult, but I always remind myself what a great husband and Father he is and what a wonderful marriage we have. Fifty two years this past August. He is 77 and I am 71. Now that u know a little about me how about some of your stories take careHonic       Sara Hilyard  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Yahoo! for Good - Make   a difference this year. 

[QUAD-L] a poem

[River Wolfe]

We stand up for values. Here's what we believe: Gay marriage is something we just can't conceive Of happening ever. The thought causes dread. Gay men should just marry nice women instead. If some of them marry not women but chaps, Our civilization would simply collapse. Abortion is murder. If we had our druthers, We'd jail docs who do it, and also the mothers. And research on stem cells is evil, a sin, And so is bad language, and flicks that show skin. And families other than these God forbids: A dad and a mom and two point three kids. And we support Jesus, and, oh, by the way, When we think it's needed, some torture's OK.author - Calvin Trillin

[QUAD-L] Budget Cuts hurt us

[River Wolfe]

I really hate to say I told you so...but I didCall you Senators now if you want to save your ass.http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfmThe Bush Budget and People with Disabilities “At a time when America is engaged in a fight for freedom and liberty throughout the world, the President’s budget proposal would jeopardize the freedom, liberties, well-being, and very lives of people with disabilities in our own country.”  -- Curt Decker, Chair of the Consortium for Citizens with Disabilities A number of key programs that enable millions of Americans with disabilities to learn, work, pay taxes, live in their communities, and make significant contributions to our society are targeted for elimination or cutbacks in the FY 2006 Bush budget. Following is a brief overview of the damaging impact of the Bush budget on people with disabilities in four key areas: Medicaid, housing, employment, and education. MedicaidSlashes the Medicaid program by $45 billion over 10 years. The President’s budget calls for cutting Medicaid by $45 billion over the next 10 years. This large Medicaid cut would have a particularly negative effect on individuals with disabilities. Medicaid is the only source of appropriate health and long-term care services for nine million children and adults with disabilities. It gives children with severe disabilities access to physical and occupational therapy so they can lead healthy and more active lives and continue to live at home with their families; and participate actively in the community in which they live. It also provides essential supports so that adults with disabilities can live in the community, rather than in inappropriate institutions. Slashing Medicaid funding will have a direct impact on the services available to these nine million children and adults.   Contains provisions that begin turning Medicaid from an entitlement to a block grant. The President’s budget also contains provisions that will be damaging to those with disabilities by beginning to turn Medicaid from an individual entitlement to a block grant to the states. The individual entitlement to Medicaid – with its critical federal protections and the open-ended financing system – has been of immense importance to individuals with disabilities – and anything less will threaten their access to vital health care services.HousingSlashes housing program for people with disabilities by 50 percent. The President’s budget would cut funding for the Section 811 Supportive Housing for Persons with Disabilities program in half, cutting funding down to $120 million from its current level of $238 million.Completely eliminates HUD’s 30-year pledge to produce accessible supportive housing for people with disabilities. The President’s budget also would completely eliminate all funding for new unit production under the Section 811 program, leaving only tenant-based subsidies. Historically, 75 percent of HUD’s 811 appropriation has been used to fund capital grants and project-based rental assistance for non-profit disability groups to develop new fully wheelchair-accessible units of permanent supportive housing.Represents an unprecedented shift of housing assistance away from people with more severe disabilities. The President’s proposal to eliminate the Section 811 production program would have a particularly harsh impact on those with more severe disabilities. Historically, new units of supportive housing produced through Section 811 have been targeted to people with the most severe disabilities who rely on SSI income of $600 or less per month. For almost 30 years, this program has been a cornerstone of state and local efforts to implement community integration strategies for people with severe disabilities who otherwise live in nursing homes, public institutions, or at home with aging parents.EmploymentWeakens the vital Rehabilitation Services Administration, by slashing its personnel and closing regional offices across the country. The Rehabilitation Services Administration in the Education Department plays a critically important role in helping people with disabilities prepare for entering the workforce, with key vocational rehabilitation programs. And yet the Bush budget includes a reorganization plan of the Rehabilitation Services Administration that weakens this key agency, by slashing the number of employees from 138 to 70 and closing all of the regional offices. Closing all regional offices will result in a lack of monitoring and technical assistance for rehabilitation programs across the country.Completely eliminates vocational education program – an important employment program at the Education Department that helps people with disabilities prepare for work. The Bush budget eliminates funding for vocational education. This translates into a loss of over $1.3 billion in resources that are used for training and improved academic achievement. Eliminating vocational education will deprive thousands of student