Re: Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] aids

2010-06-07 Thread bob quinn
EXACTLY!  It is possible to be friends with employees, as long as they remember 
you are the boss.  I've had mostly longterm success stories (and only a couple 
very short-lived disasters).

Its not unlike the balance a parent needs to find with their children.  Tough 
love.  Trust, but verify.  Mutual respect is key.

At 02:11 PM 6/7/2010, Don Smith wrote:
>I to use the same approach as Dan, the only thing you need to be careful about 
>is making sure they don't start taking advantage of your friendship for their 
>own gain.  Once this starts happening you need to put a stop to it and let 
>them know who's the boss and that includes their termination if necessary. 
>Don 
>c 5/6 incomplete 22 yrs. 
>> 
>> I take Dan's approach.  It works well for us. 
>> I am mom of Jesse White, 28 year old quad since birth. 
>> Summer White 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dan"  
>> To:  
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:19 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] aids 
>> 
>> 
>>> Well I guess there's two approaches you can take. The first is the 
>>> supervisor type. Wherein, you treat your PCAs strictly as employees. Many 
>>> quads use this approach, and it seems to work for them. I've tried this 
>>> approach, but I found it very lonely. 
>>> 
>>> I use the other approach, wherein the people that work with me become my 
>>> true friends. I want them to care about me as they would any other good 
>>> friend. I've been doing this for over 20 years and it has worked out very 
>>> well. My PCAs share everything with me and I do the same with them. You can 
>>> still set boundaries, but it's done in a friendly way. Just like you would 
>>> with any friend. For instance, if they are continually late. I might say -- 
>>> so, what's up with that being late business? 
>>> 
>>> I have had arguments with my PCA's sometimes even fights though we always 
>>> make up. And since we are friends, they always make sure that someone will 
>>> be there for me unlike the supervisor role, where the PCA thinks of me as 
>>> just another boss. In other words, since I'm not their friend they would 
>>> have no problem quitting on the spot and leaving me high and dry - or low 
>>> and wet ;). And yes, I've been a counselor to them many a time, and vice 
>>> versa. 
>>> 
>>> So this way has worked well for me, but for others perhaps not. It's a 
>>> choice you have to make based on your own personality. 
>>> 
>>> Dan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 07:35 PM 6/4/2010, shellbell5...@aim.com said something that elicited my 
>>> response: 
>>> 
 This question is for those of you who have aids that are not not consumer 
 employed. I am attending college and am 
 3 hours away from home. How and where do you draw boundaries with your 
 aids? A lady I respect told me to keep our relationship a business one. 
 
  My problem is this in the past I have become friends with these women 
 (it's difficult not to.) But then I tart hearing about there problems 
 and our relationship is no longer a working relationship. Seems they take 
 that as a sign as they can come, do very little and 
 or take care of personal calls for instance. My dorm is a small area so I 
 hear the whole conversation. My aid spoke to her child's teacher 
 this am. She was on the phone over 5 minutes then when she got off began 
 to explain the difficulty she is having with her 
 daughter. It is not that I do not care I do! (Probably too nice for my own 
 good.)  I just do not want to become someones counselor. 
 Do you listen but make no comment and hope she will keep info to herself? 
 
 I have been working on establishing boundaries. To protect them from me as 
 well as me from them. My last aid showed up with 
 booze on her breath. I told her boss but instead of confronting her 
 employee saying something like, "a consumer reported that they 
 smelled alcohol on your breath She told her "Shelly tolm me." then 
 my aid called me and it became personal. Anyway I just 
 want to do the right thing.  How do you guys draw those lines or even set 
 the standards? How friendly or even how much 
 info do you give up? 
 
 My "accident" was a blessing in many ways and I have learned many valuable 
 lessons these past soon to be 4 years.I am 
 grateful for all that I have been given and do believe it's my purpose to 
 be a blessing. That does not mean that I let people 
 get away with things that are unacceptable. Am I making a big deal out of 
 nothing? She is a sweet girl... I am going to "shut up" 
 
 Blessings~ 
 Shelly 
 C6-C7 Incomplete 
 July 31 will be 4 years 
>>> 


Re: Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] aids

2010-06-07 Thread Don Smith



I to use the same approach as Dan, the only thing you need to be 
careful about is making sure they don't start taking advantage of 
your friendship for their own gain.  Once this starts happening you 
need to put a stop to it and let them know who's the boss and that 
includes their termination if necessary.


Don
c 5/6 incomplete 22 yrs.
>
> I take Dan's approach.  It works well for us.
> I am mom of Jesse White, 28 year old quad since birth.
> Summer White
> - Original Message - From: "Dan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] aids
>
>
>> Well I guess there's two approaches you can take. The first is 
the supervisor type. Wherein, you treat your PCAs strictly as 
employees. Many quads use this approach, and it seems to work for 
them. I've tried this approach, but I found it very lonely.

>>
>> I use the other approach, wherein the people that work with me 
become my true friends. I want them to care about me as they would 
any other good friend. I've been doing this for over 20 years and it 
has worked out very well. My PCAs share everything with me and I do 
the same with them. You can still set boundaries, but it's done in a 
friendly way. Just like you would with any friend. For instance, if 
they are continually late. I might say -- so, what's up with that 
being late business?

>>
>> I have had arguments with my PCA's sometimes even fights though 
we always make up. And since we are friends, they always make sure 
that someone will be there for me unlike the supervisor role, where 
the PCA thinks of me as just another boss. In other words, since I'm 
not their friend they would have no problem quitting on the spot and 
leaving me high and dry - or low and wet ;). And yes, I've been a 
counselor to them many a time, and vice versa.

>>
>> So this way has worked well for me, but for others perhaps not. 
It's a choice you have to make based on your own personality.

>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:35 PM 6/4/2010, shellbell5...@aim.com said something that 
elicited my response:

>>
>>> This question is for those of you who have aids that are not not 
consumer employed. I am attending college and am
>>> 3 hours away from home. How and where do you draw boundaries 
with your aids? A lady I respect told me to keep our relationship a 
business one.

>>>
>>>  My problem is this in the past I have become friends with these 
women (it's difficult not to.) But then I tart hearing about there problems
>>> and our relationship is no longer a working relationship. Seems 
they take that as a sign as they can come, do very little and
>>> or take care of personal calls for instance. My dorm is a small 
area so I hear the whole conversation. My aid spoke to her child's teacher
>>> this am. She was on the phone over 5 minutes then when she got 
off began to explain the difficulty she is having with her
>>> daughter. It is not that I do not care I do! (Probably too nice 
for my own good.)  I just do not want to become someones counselor.

>>> Do you listen but make no comment and hope she will keep info to herself?
>>>
>>> I have been working on establishing boundaries. To protect them 
from me as well as me from them. My last aid showed up with
>>> booze on her breath. I told her boss but instead of confronting 
her employee saying something like, "a consumer reported that they
>>> smelled alcohol on your breath She told her "Shelly tolm 
me." then my aid called me and it became personal. Anyway I just
>>> want to do the right thing.  How do you guys draw those lines or 
even set the standards? How friendly or even how much

>>> info do you give up?
>>>
>>> My "accident" was a blessing in many ways and I have learned 
many valuable lessons these past soon to be 4 years.I am
>>> grateful for all that I have been given and do believe it's my 
purpose to be a blessing. That does not mean that I let people
>>> get away with things that are unacceptable. Am I making a big 
deal out of nothing? She is a sweet girl... I am going to "shut up"

>>>
>>> Blessings~
>>> Shelly
>>> C6-C7 Incomplete
>>> July 31 will be 4 years
>>