Re: Invisable Seagate HD

[Donald Town Jr.]

>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:21:10 -0500
>From: dnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Invisable Seagate HD
>
>I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB Seagate HD. It is a
>full height 5.25, but fits nicely in my 950. The problem is that "HD
>SetUp" cannot see it in order to format or partition it. In fact,
>neither can "Silverlining 5.8.3", nor Spirit Tech's "Red Line" HD
>formatting software, nor does SCSI Probe v5.0. They all say in one way
>or another that there is no suitable SCSI item on the chain (except for
>the CD.) All the other numbers are either greyed out or say none in
>their respective information windows. Does anyone have ideas how to make
>this HD visable so I can put it to work?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Don

If it does not exist in the "other" scsi ID # locations,
Did you check to make absolutely sure that there is no
SCSI ID conflict with another device.  If it came from
factory, it may have SCSI ID 0 unless you changed it.
You very well may have ID 0 on your start up drive already.

If I recall correctly, sometimes devices may show up anyway,
even with conflicts, but I think not always- and most likely
to be a problem if they are both on the same bus.

Also, this might sound dumb, but once in a while the cable
may not be tight depending on how you install things. If
you have one of those adapters on a "non-native" drive
(that don't connect as snug as most other drives), it can
easily loosen up if you move the drive even a small amount
after you connect the cable.

"Assuming" those are ok, are you certain that the drive is
compatible for your machine?

Did you check termination?

Live long and prosper
Don

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Re: Moody modem - solved!

[Alex Allee]

on 7/22/01 9:09 AM, Dana Collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> P.S. - I tend to regard the bad-cable symptom as important, and NOT a
> no-brainer. 

Yep. I was setting a Performa 475 and an Epson 740 for someone. Try as I
might, I couldn't get anything to print. Two clean OS installs later (and
much cursing on my part), just for the hell of it, I tried another printer
cable. Ta da! Printer worked.

Needless to say, it's now the first thing I check. :)

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Re: Invisable Seagate HD

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on 7/22/01 5:21 AM, dnk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB Seagate HD. It is a
> full height 5.25, but fits nicely in my 950. The problem is that "HD
> SetUp" cannot see it in order to format or partition it.

I have two of these drives myself and have used them on a variety of Macs,
both as external and internal (the Umax c600 is the only computer I've had
big enough to handle these as internal drives). As I recall, my method for
getting them formatted was to hack Apple's Drive set-up program. I could
send you the hacked program or the instructions to do it yourself if you
like. I also downloaded the user guide for the drive from the Seagate web
site. This showed me how to configure the jumpers.
As others have already pointed out, you may have a termination issue, or
some other problem with the way the jumpers are set.
Let me know if I can be of help,

tafkar


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Re: Favorite subject

[Tim Collier]

on 07/22/2001 11:04 AM, David Deckert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ... one of mine, anyway.
> 
> You've got a Mac running 7.1 because of its
> small size and speed. You want a simple
> email client also small and fast.
> 
> Ability for two acounts would be nice, but not
> absolutely necessary.
> 
> Ability to smoothly handle Rich Text would be
> a plus because the user won't know enough
> to admonish every single sender to cut it out
> and do only plain text.
> 
> Free would be good, but not necessary.
> 
> Some candidates for consideration are
> Eudora 1.5.4 or 1.5.5. Version 3.1.3 could be
> used, but except for some built in admin-setup
> tools that won't be used the differences aren't
> clear. Not entirely forgiving of bad HTML,
> though?
> 
> Claris Emailer 1 or 2 is a possibility, mainly
> because of the integrated spell checker and
> ability to do AOL (a wildcard choice). But it'll
> choke on the HTML I think.
> 
> OE is out because of slowness.
> 
> I know the lists' preference for free, but I'm
> willing to pay for a modern email client that
> performs well, has good features and still
> manages to be small and fast. I think only
> shareware can do this nowadays.
> 
> Should shareware be considered, if so what's
> being used? Sweet Mail? Musashi? I'm
> interested in what you use everyday, not what
> you tried for a week and gave up on but still
> think "is neat".
> 
> Your 2 cents here___.
> 
> -David
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Re: Invisable Seagate HD

[Michael Emery]

dnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB 
Seagate HD. It is a full height 5.25, but fits nicely in 
my 950. The problem is that "HD SetUp" cannot see it in 
order to format or partition it.

Try Apple Hard Drive Setup 1.7.3 if you haven't yet. This worked on my 
new Seagate 18GB drive when all else failed.

Good luck.
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Re: Invisable Seagate HD

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 7/22/01 1:44:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
> I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB Seagate HD. It is a
> full height 5.25, but fits nicely in my 950. The problem is that "HD
> SetUp" cannot see it in order to format or partition it ...

This is my suspicion, based on the current info: being an older HD, and
being a full-height, I would bet that this HD was intended for external use.
You want to use it for internal use, which would be fine, except that the HD
is dependent on something else to terminate the chain (which it would get
via the external terminator).
>>

1) the FH Seagate drive maybe too old for Drive Setup to see it [ * ] ; I've 
had the same problem with FH Micropolis drives; use HDT or another 
third-party initializer,

2) the 950 is provided with a terminator on the cable end, as are the WGS 950 
and WS 9150, or any other of the 950-case machines; the terminator on the 
drive should be removed if of the single- or dual-inline package type, or the 
TE (terminator enable) jumper, as appropriate,

3) if ASP cannot see the drive, and Drive Setup cannot see the drive, then 
the drive is probably defective; SCSI drives are required to respond to the 
"read device characteristics" command even if the drive spindle motor is not 
powered-up,

4) given that a drive in a 950 is required to be unterminated, there is 
really no difference between an internal drive and an external drive, other 
than where the drive is physically located, and

5) special note for II, IIx and IIfx users ... there existed a third-party 
replacement for the drive mounting bracket which would allow a FH 5.25" drive 
to be mounted internally; in this case, the drive *must* be terminated as 
there is no terminator on the II-series internal cable.

[ * ] However, I always try Drive Setup (1.7.3 is a good one, and is 
available for download on Apple's FTP site) and it has been able to 
initialize even Seagate drives which were made for OEMs.

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Re: Moody modem - solved!

[Dana Collins]

Way to go, Russell. Your willingness to provide "lessons learned" (even
theoretically "painfully-obvious ones") is, IMHO, exercising the strength of
a list-group: to help each other out. Thanks for sharing the results.
Best regards,
Dana
P.S. - I tend to regard the bad-cable symptom as important, and NOT a
no-brainer. One of my favorite exercises for my students is to go into the
audio post-producton studio and screw up the MIDI system to quiz them on
trouble-shooting and correction. The most successful stumper hands-down:
 to simply reverse the In/Out cables on the controller keyboard - gets'em
(almost) every time! :-)

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Russell)
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:53:32 +0100
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
> Subject: Moody modem - solved!
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I've sussed the problem with the SupraExpress 288 modem, and as usual with
> these things it was down to one of the first things I thought of but forgot
> to check.
> 
> I bought it secondhand, without a phone cable, so stuck in my old
> USRobotics cable. No connection. When I tried it with a cable borrowed from
> an iMac it connected first time in both Open Transport and ConfigPPP. A
> lesson learned - the quality of cable obviously makes a difference. That
> may be obvious to many of you, but I hope my struggle saves someone else
> the same trouble.
> 
> Thanks to all who offered advice.
> 
> Russell


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Re: Invisable Seagate HD

[Dana Collins]

> From: dnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:21:10 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
> Subject: Invisable Seagate HD
> 
> I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB Seagate HD. It is a
> full height 5.25, but fits nicely in my 950. The problem is that "HD
> SetUp" cannot see it in order to format or partition it. In fact,
> neither can "Silverlining 5.8.3", nor Spirit Tech's "Red Line" HD
> formatting software, nor does SCSI Probe v5.0. They all say in one way
> or another that there is no suitable SCSI item on the chain (except for
> the CD.) All the other numbers are either greyed out or say none in
> their respective information windows. Does anyone have ideas how to make
> this HD visable so I can put it to work?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Don
Hi Don,
This is my suspicion, based on the current info: being an older HD, and
being a full-height, I would bet that this HD was intended for external use.
You want to use it for internal use, which would be fine, except that the HD
is dependent on something else to terminate the chain (which it would get
via the external terminator).
Look on the bottom of the control board, near to, and parallel to the SCSI
connection end. Do you see a tiny stream of what looks like miniature
brass-colored holes/sockets (in sets of two or three)? If so, you're going
to need to get some "resistor packs", used to engage internal termination.
Call Seagate, and see what they can do, or snoop around some PC shops for
the right size. 
If this IS the case, remember that pin 1 needs matching to socket 1 - on the
resistor, pin 1 is indicated with a colored dot or insignia; on the board,
socket 1 is usually identified with a fine line, or no. 1 or a slightly
different shape from the other sockets in the set.

Though I've never tried this, it seems plausible: take your SCSI cable
(internal) plug the HD in one of the connector ports OTHER than the last,
and affix an internal SCSI cable terminator onto the last port of the cable.

Best regards,
Dana


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Re: Quadra 800 w/Sonnet PPC100MHz Card

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 7/22/01 8:15:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
I had the same problem with a DayStar PowerPro in a Q-800.  It turned out to
not be properly seated in the PDS slot.  It was one of my first upgrades and I
was just too careful.  A little contact cleaner and, a little more pushing, a
working PPC800.
>>

Improper seating problems plagues these PDS connectors. They must be seated 
completely. If you can feel the interface between the mobo's connector and 
the PDS card's connector, and you discover the least little bit of space, 
then the PDS card is not seated correctly.

Since these are gold-plated connectors, contact cleaner is neither needed nor 
recommended.





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Re: Quadra 800 w/Sonnet PPC100MHz Card

[Walt Nicholas]

David A Schwartz wrote:

> New to this list. Have a Quadra 800 with a Sonnet 100 PPC upgrade. It
> worked fine for 18 months. Now I get a "death chimes" about a minute into
> the boot-up process, before the keyboard and monitor become active. Talked
> with Sonnet techs, who had no clue, but agreed to replace the Sonnet card
> (3 year warantee). New card, same problem. When I pull the card, or
> inactivate it with the PPC Card control panel, the Quadra boots just fine,
> and all RAM registers. The few non-PPC apps work fine too. Zapped PRAM,
> replaced that aforementioned control panel, without success. I think it
> points to a failure on the motherboard, maybe something connected only with
> that upgrade slot the Sonnet card uses. Anyone have any other ideas?
> Without a PPC upgrade, the Quadra has little usefulness. Any suggestions on
> what to do with it? Without a PPC processor, donation to charitable causes
> might be more of an insult than charity.
>

Walt Nicholas from sunny Camano Island writes:
I had the same problem with a DayStar PowerPro in a Q-800.  It turned out to
not be properly seated in the PDS slot.  It was one of my first upgrades and I
was just too careful.  A little contact cleaner and, a little more pushing, a
working PPC800.



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Favorite subject

[David Deckert]

... one of mine, anyway.

You've got a Mac running 7.1 because of its 
small size and speed. You want a simple 
email client also small and fast. 

Ability for two acounts would be nice, but not 
absolutely necessary. 

Ability to smoothly handle Rich Text would be 
a plus because the user won't know enough 
to admonish every single sender to cut it out 
and do only plain text.

Free would be good, but not necessary. 

Some candidates for consideration are 
Eudora 1.5.4 or 1.5.5. Version 3.1.3 could be 
used, but except for some built in admin-setup 
tools that won't be used the differences aren't 
clear. Not entirely forgiving of bad HTML, 
though?

Claris Emailer 1 or 2 is a possibility, mainly 
because of the integrated spell checker and 
ability to do AOL (a wildcard choice). But it'll 
choke on the HTML I think.

OE is out because of slowness.

I know the lists' preference for free, but I'm 
willing to pay for a modern email client that 
performs well, has good features and still 
manages to be small and fast. I think only 
shareware can do this nowadays.

Should shareware be considered, if so what's 
being used? Sweet Mail? Musashi? I'm 
interested in what you use everyday, not what 
you tried for a week and gave up on but still 
think "is neat".

Your 2 cents here___.

-David

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Invisable Seagate HD

[dnk]

I recently purchased a factory refurbished 9.1 GB Seagate HD. It is a
full height 5.25, but fits nicely in my 950. The problem is that "HD
SetUp" cannot see it in order to format or partition it. In fact,
neither can "Silverlining 5.8.3", nor Spirit Tech's "Red Line" HD
formatting software, nor does SCSI Probe v5.0. They all say in one way
or another that there is no suitable SCSI item on the chain (except for
the CD.) All the other numbers are either greyed out or say none in
their respective information windows. Does anyone have ideas how to make
this HD visable so I can put it to work?

Thanks in advance,
Don


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Moody modem - solved!

[Russell]

Hi all

I've sussed the problem with the SupraExpress 288 modem, and as usual with
these things it was down to one of the first things I thought of but forgot
to check.

I bought it secondhand, without a phone cable, so stuck in my old
USRobotics cable. No connection. When I tried it with a cable borrowed from
an iMac it connected first time in both Open Transport and ConfigPPP. A
lesson learned - the quality of cable obviously makes a difference. That
may be obvious to many of you, but I hope my struggle saves someone else
the same trouble.

Thanks to all who offered advice.

Russell



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