Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Jan 6, 2003, at 01:19 Europe/London, Frederick Silliman 
wrote:

> No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass.

In other words you don't know. The honest to god good reason being the 
only thing you can damage by wiring up a Cat5 ethernet cable wrong is 
to your self esteem when you realise you need to cut the end off and 
crimp on another connector. The voltages used are not great on 
ethernet, and it has fail-safes to stop bad wiring blowing it up anyway.

There that saved your ass ;).

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Re: Silliman [was] CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

Sque wrote:

>Frederick Silliman wrote:
>  
>
>>Michael Dawe wrote:
>>
>>
No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass. 


>>>I think you're on the wrong list.
>>>
>
>Lets go back..
>pickle asks... Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
>Fred replies... Since you asked, not really... I don't 'splain anything.
>pickle asks.. OK, smartass, care to EXplain what that damage might be?
>Which brings us back to your intelligent ass, as above.
>  
>
>>Why didn't you include the portion of the message where "The Pickle" called me a 
>smartass, or is it just selective filtering to start a flame.
>>
>>
>Do you have a answer to the question, what damage is caused by using the 
>wrong cable? Never seen smoke with serial or ethernet with the wrong 
>cable and I've been known to mix my cables a bit.
>  
>

Jim Arnott jumped in and sidelined the subject under "X-over pinouts".  

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Re: Silliman [was] CAT 5 Cable?

[Sque]

Frederick Silliman wrote:

>Michael Dawe wrote:
>
>>>No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass. 
>>>
>>I think you're on the wrong list.
>>

Lets go back..
pickle asks... Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
Fred replies... Since you asked, not really... I don't 'splain anything.
pickle asks.. OK, smartass, care to EXplain what that damage might be?
Which brings us back to your intelligent ass, as above.

>Why didn't you include the portion of the message where "The Pickle" called me a 
>smartass, or is it just selective filtering to start a flame.
>
Do you have a answer to the question, what damage is caused by using the 
wrong cable? Never seen smoke with serial or ethernet with the wrong 
cable and I've been known to mix my cables a bit.



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Re: Power Performa 475

[Michael Dawe]

on 05/01/2003, "J Sand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What are the advantages of a 5X00 logic board over my standard 577?

2 SIMM slots
Level 2 cache slot
TV slot
Video in/out slot
Remote control (with TV)
Integrated FPU (unless you've upgraded the original 577 CPU)
Run a Mac OS above 8.1 (may or may not be construed as an advantage).

There would be issues I think if you're contemplating doing a mobo swap. PSU
would be a problem for starters.

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Re: Silliman [was] CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

Michael Dawe wrote:

>on 05/01/2003, Frederick Silliman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snipped]
> 
>  
>
>>No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass.
>>
>>
>
>I think you're on the wrong list.
>  
>

Why didn't you include the portion of the message where "The Pickle" called me a 
smartass, or is it just selective filtering to start a flame.

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Re: Silliman [was] CAT 5 Cable?

[Michael Dawe]

on 05/01/2003, Frederick Silliman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snipped]
 
> No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass.

I think you're on the wrong list.

D.


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Re: X-over pinouts

[Frederick Silliman]

the pickle wrote:

>At 18:52 -0800 on 05/01/03, Jim Arnott wrote:
>  
>
>>If it's done incorrectly, the smoke gets out. 
>>
>>
>
>Since only data, and not power, is being carried, I don't see why.  Wouldn't
>you just get a lot of collisions?
>  
>

Evidently you are not technically or electronically inclined.  EXplination:

Nothing moves in a wire with out power, regardless of how much or how 
little. Hence, the necessity of the "+" and the "-" requirements of the 
pin outs.  Quality equipment will have voltage protection circuits, but 
the majority of the stuff on the market now is not Quality.

Even if the voltage, due to data transmission is only 1 volt, if it is a 
"+" (positive) 1 volt and you put it to a terminal that is expecting a 
"-" (negative) 1 volt, it will smoke, maybe just a little or maybe a 
lot.  If it doesn't smoke it could just render a few of the component in 
the circuit inoperative by shorting out.  Like no work anymore.

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Re: X-over pinouts

[the pickle]

At 18:52 -0800 on 05/01/03, Jim Arnott wrote:

>If it's done incorrectly, the smoke gets out. 

Since only data, and not power, is being carried, I don't see why.  Wouldn't
you just get a lot of collisions?
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Re: X-over pinouts - BETTER LINK

[Jim Arnott]

Jim Arnott wrote:
> 
> 
> If it's done incorrectly, the smoke gets out. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 



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X-over pinouts

[Jim Arnott]

If it's done incorrectly, the smoke gets out. 

Jim


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Re: Using an *40 AV to edit VHS video

[Robert Gray]

At 20:39:48 -0700 on 01/05/03,  Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm not sure if I was the only one confused,
>but I'm not anymore.

Do you mean you're not the only one confused anymore or that you 
aren't confused anymore.  I'm confused.  ;-)


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Re: Using an *40 AV to edit VHS video

[Michael Emery]

Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

You must have made a typo when you typed "SPAV handles 
8-bit color and the SPAV handles 24-bit color".

You got it right, Rob, and I got it wrong. The SPRO does 24-bit.

I assumed that the Spigot Pro AV was in the market 
before the Spigot Power AV due to the fact that the 
840av was in the market before the Nubus Power Mac AV's. 
But I didn't buy either one when they were new... I 
assumed that the Spigot Power AV (Mark Benson mentioned 
it by name) was what Radius called the Spigot Pro AV 
once they added the cable.

SPAV led SPRO to the market, and by the time the SPRO appeared for about 
$1000 it was soon abandoned by Radius which went through a corporate 
reorg. They left the SPAV and the SPRO on our doorsteps, like abandoned 
babies.

Treat your baby good!
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Performa630DOS card

[Luca Pagliero]

I have a Performa630 Dos Compatible with 52 Mb on MacOS8.1 and 32 Mb on DOS
Card (win98).
I use PCSetup 2.1.7
All has worked fine for a week or so, but today I tried to enter PC Setup (I
have 2 drive files and I switch one or other).
Suddenly Finder has closed down (or I think so, all icons on screen were
gone) and reopened, but PC panel won't came out
When I pressed the Apple key  + Enter it switched to PC but with blank
screen (and no video sync as monitor gone into sleep mode)
What happened?
Anyone can help?

Thanks,

Luca P.©

"There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night
And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight
And silence that speaks so much louder that words,
Of promises broken."


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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

the pickle wrote:

>At 19:57 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:
>  
>
>>the pickle wrote:
>>
>>
>>>At 18:29 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:
>>>  
>>>
computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in


>>>Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
>>>  
>>>
>>Since you asked, not really...  I don't 'splain anything.
>>
>
>OK, smartass, care to EXplain what that damage might be?
>  
>

No, I wouldn't want to overtax my intelligent ass.

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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[the pickle]

At 19:57 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:

>the pickle wrote:
>
>>At 18:29 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
>>>using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
>>
>>
>
>Since you asked, not really...  I don't 'splain anything.

OK, smartass, care to EXplain what that damage might be?
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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

the pickle wrote:

>At 18:29 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
>>using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in
>>
>>
>
>Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
>  
>

Since you asked, not really...  I don't 'splain anything.

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Re: Mystery cables strike three

[the pickle]

At 01:38 +0100 on 06/01/03, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:

>On 04-01-2003 1:30, the pickle, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
>
>> Somewhere in
>>
>> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
>>
>> [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][Named Pipes]Specified SQL server not
>> found.
>>
>> /bbox.asp, line 20
>>
>> I failed to see the identification ;)
>
>
>Don't understand how you got that. To check I simply went with iCab to
>. For an exemple I searched for one of the cables

Yeah, *now* it works.  It certainly didn't when I posted that, though ;)
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Re: Mystery cables strike three

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 04-01-2003 1:30, the pickle, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

> Somewhere in
> 
> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
> 
> [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][Named Pipes]Specified SQL server not
> found.
> 
> /bbox.asp, line 20
> 
> I failed to see the identification ;)


Don't understand how you got that. To check I simply went with iCab to
. For an exemple I searched for one of the cables
Don mentioned and found: Adapt. for periph. MD8M-DB9F (lock-in), different
from IBM*-pinconf. (ser.), (Apple equiv. #M0199), Code: EVMA01 .
Don't see any problem. And you can always send a mail with your question:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
They have an enormous catalogue, A4, 1.200 pages, with pictures, codes,
ref.no's and all you can imagine concerning  any kind of connections.
Helas, they don't ship the catalogue outside the Netherlands (probably
because the weight = 1.800 grs.?). If you are interested in for your
archives or documentation, mail me OL.

Jo




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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[the pickle]

At 18:10 -0600 on 05/01/03, otto hansen wrote:

>>>computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
>>>using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in
>>
>>Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
>well if you had to run the cable outside and it was struck by lightning you
>would lose both computers (or atleast their NICs) whereas with a hub (or a
>switch or a router with built-in hub/switch) you would most likely only lose
>the hub and 1 computer ;)

Yeah, but that would happen if you used a *properly* configured crossover too ;)
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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[otto hansen]

>>computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
>>using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in
>
>Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
well if you had to run the cable outside and it was struck by lightning you
would lose both computers (or atleast their NICs) whereas with a hub (or a
switch or a router with built-in hub/switch) you would most likely only lose
the hub and 1 computer ;)


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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[the pickle]

At 18:29 -0500 on 05/01/03, Frederick Silliman wrote:

>computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by
>using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in

Care to 'splain what that damage might be?
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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

the pickle wrote:


At 14:56 -0700 on 05/01/03, J Sand wrote:
 

Where can I get a pin description for the crossover as I have a 610 and an
iMac I need to get to talk to each other and do not have a router yet?



You need a hub, not a router, but try googling for "ethernet crossover pinout"
and I daresay you'll find something in the first 10 hits.
 


IMMHHTO (in my most humble and honest technical opinion)  GET A 
HUB...PUNKT SLUß AUS

Less problems, works great, and is available for more than two 
computers.  Not to mention the possible damage that could be done by 
using a wrongly configured crossover cable.  Sticking  with the norm in 
this case has it's more intelligent side.

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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[P . F . Grenier]

On Sunday, Jan 5, 2003, at 17:51 US/Eastern, the pickle wrote:

> At 14:56 -0700 on 05/01/03, J Sand wrote:
>
>> Where can I get a pin description for the crossover as I have a 610 
>> and an
>> iMac I need to get to talk to each other and do not have a router yet?
>
> You need a hub, not a router, but try googling for "ethernet crossover 
> pinout"
> and I daresay you'll find something in the first 10 hits.
> -- 
>

You could try threemacs, a good overall networking reference: 
http://www.atpm.com/network/


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Re: Power Performa 475

[the pickle]

At 14:54 -0700 on 05/01/03, J Sand wrote:

>What are the advantages of a 5X00 logic board over my standard 577?

Other than a massive dose of speed? Not much.

Of course, none of them are drop-in replacements either.
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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[the pickle]

At 14:56 -0700 on 05/01/03, J Sand wrote:

>Where can I get a pin description for the crossover as I have a 610 and an
>iMac I need to get to talk to each other and do not have a router yet?

You need a hub, not a router, but try googling for "ethernet crossover pinout"
and I daresay you'll find something in the first 10 hits.
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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Frederick Silliman]

Scott Holder wrote:

>At 02:34 PM 1/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>  
>
>>What is the difference between a standard CAT 5 cable and a X-over cable?
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>
>Technically speaking, they're both cat 5 cable as cat 5 is a description of 
>the cable type.
>
>In general, though, you have a patch or straight-through cable that 
>connects all the pins straight through. You'd use this generally in 
>connecting a computer to a hub/switch.
>
>Then you have crossover cables which swap several pins to reverse the 
>connections. This is useful for connecting two computers without a hub or 
>switch, but usually limit it to two computers.
>
>  
>

Yes, technically speaking, they are both made of CAT 5 cable.  BUT, to 
those that are not Technical or Technically inclined a "Standard CAT 5 
Cable" is in Networking terms a "Patch Cable" or a "Straight Trough 
Cable".  This referring to the pin connections at each connector. (i.e. 
1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, etc)

A difference in a crossover cable is (which ever two pins are used for 
transmit and receive) are reversed only on one end.  Let's say that pin 
1 and 2 are transmit and receive respectfully.  On one end of a 
crossover cable, pins 1 and 2 would be switched.  

So, as an example only, if you used a multimeter to check the continuity 
of a "Standard CAT 5 Cable" pins, touching the leads to pin 1 on each 
connector would show continuity.  Same with 2, 3, and 4.  On a crossover 
cable, continuity would show between pin 1 on one connector and pin 2 on 
the other, then pin two to pin 1.  

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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[J Sand]

Where can I get a pin description for the crossover as I have a 610 and an 
iMac I need to get to talk to each other and do not have a router yet?

John



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Re: Power Performa 475

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What are the advantages of a 5X00 logic board over my standard 577?

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Re: CAT 5 Cable?

[Scott Holder]

At 02:34 PM 1/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>What is the difference between a standard CAT 5 cable and a X-over cable?
>
>John

Technically speaking, they're both cat 5 cable as cat 5 is a description of 
the cable type.

In general, though, you have a patch or straight-through cable that 
connects all the pins straight through. You'd use this generally in 
connecting a computer to a hub/switch.

Then you have crossover cables which swap several pins to reverse the 
connections. This is useful for connecting two computers without a hub or 
switch, but usually limit it to two computers.

Scott Holder


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CAT 5 Cable?

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What is the difference between a standard CAT 5 cable and a X-over cable?

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Re: Wrong E-mail lsit?

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Re: hard drive terror

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OEM-Version of the FWB Software (HD and CD) is part of OS6.1.
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